Does a $300 Diamond Coated Wire Wheel Work?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2025
- In this video I show you why this $300 diamond coated wire wheel might be exactly what you need in your shop. This thing absolutely shreds through mill scale like its not even there! Prices vary on this, so shop around if you think this might be good for you! To learn more see below:
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The real decision is what kind of wire you prefer in your leg and everything else
Do these diamond wires in my beer gut make me look fat?
@@rusty_restorations36 They make you look ✨FABULOUS✨
These diamond ones probably have better penetration lol
🙂 you just said what I thought.
This
Another great tool video Chris! Too expensive for what I do.. for now but you never know in the future! Please keep sharing these with us!
I can see the advantage to the diamond coated brush, but the real question durability. The fragility of diamond plating may make it impracticable, especially for most applications. It is an interesting option though.
fragility?
@@GroberWeisenstein Yes, fragility. I have worked a lot with diamond plated abrasives. The only way I can describe them is fragile, as the nickle plating holding the diamond grit can be subject to cracking and flaking. Taking in to consideration the flexing of the wires in the wheel gives me consideration of their durability. ✌
@@joemcgarry1106 thats why copper is used in premium diamond pads and heat resistant resins for filaments
@@GroberWeisenstein Thanks, I will read up on it.
Seems to me that given the price point, stripping discs or 3M bristle discs might do a more comparable job for 10x less cost
What an amazing product and for the labour time you save it’s worth every penny thanks mate I always enjoy your product reviews
I’ve done every type of mill and forge scale removal. With the exception of re-entry into Earths atmosphere. I only use vinegar now. It’s just so much easier and saves my time, which is worth more than money to me.
This would work great in a CNC mill to remove the mill scale before you tear up a bunch of cutters chewing through it. Saves money this way. And maybe the addition of using coolant would improve the life of the wheel?
Just a thought
Wow that's crazy awesome. Amazing to see that work. Very interesting and very informational video this week Chris. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God Bless.
A palm sander with any size grit leaves a cool pattern. As a non professional i need somethi g that works for a very long time also be very durble so when my kids get a hold of and use to destroy something, i can still use it when i get off work
I quit grinding mill scale. I dissolve it. If possible, after I cut my pieces to rough size, o put them in a citric acid bath for 24-48 hours! Works every time.
Thanks for sharing us this tool! I personally think the price is really high for something like this. Probably this isn't the only kind of application for this brush but in this case I prefer the CSD grinding discs (I hope that's the correct name in the english speaking countries). They work quick, are inexpensive and safe the actual material.
You can clean ferrite off a wire brush using a soak in Citric acid or just buy Iron Out at the Borg.
I've been looking at the Diamond wheels. At $300 I had a lot of questions - especially how long they will last.
In the meantime I found Pferd They have disks that literally eat steel for lunch. And they last forever.
So please do post an update after you have been using the Diamond brush for a year.
How many hours do you think these would last
1/2
Since you have those Rockwell testers, I’d be curious to see if you tested the hardness where there is mill scale vs when you’ve removed the mill scale.
Mill scale is 7-9 mohs according to my old shop teacher in 1978
I really was thinking of getting one of these for a lot of the mill scale jobs I do but it is so much slower than my sand blaster blasting would take that scale off in seconds
how good of a job does it do on thick rust layers?
Wow very interesting 🤔 demonstration 😮
Hey partner, where can you pick up a Mag Vice like that one you're always using? I'm just wondering. Thanks for the great content Chris!
Thanks Brent! This is an old one off a surface grinder, but if you look on eBay or amazon and search "mag chuck" you can get brand new ones in a variety of sizes. They are really handy for cleaning up metal parts that may be hard to grab. Not the cheapest tools, but they'll help you get more done!
@@MakeEverything Thank you! I had tried looking before and didn't have any luck, although I see now. That was because I didn't realize what to search for! I figured they wouldn't be cheap. Most quality tools that I find, tend to be a bit more expensive.
I had bought this purple 3m wheel that looked like plastic with fingers. It lasts long if you are only doing flats and not edges it takes mill scale off really well and was much cheaper. This diamond wheel is neat but $$$
lol around 3:16 yea i was wondering, it still looked like it had that darker stained look
Could you pleaseeeeeee do a video on this diamond wire wheel on stainless? We build SS panels and gates out of 2x2 square tube. So the miters have the get ground down and then buffed and it can be a challenge making all the grain run the same way as a satin finish. I’d love to see if this would help us! Thank you!
We found it cheaper to use mill finish and clean everything with a gitterbug to get a uniform finish vs polished tubing.
You could buy coldrolled steel. That stuff usually has no millscale whatsoever, also the tolerances are tighter, its worth the tiny bit more price because often enough you just take it, cut it to lenght, deburr and thats it... If you have a surface Grinder or Mill throw it on there with some old big gnarly face cutter or wheel and give it a spin. Even a belt sander works wonders on that or the pneumatic scale removers you have for welding... If you really wanna use an angle grinder with 300$ wirewheel (ever had one of those or more wires sticking in your arm or else?!) Then go for it. Im not saying its per se bad im just giving ideas how to avoid it. Cuz there are better options for most people.
I prefer to buy coldcrolled or premachined material. Its a bit more expensive to buy but it saves A LOT of hassle. Aka your time and money. And nerves.
Peace!
What is that magnetic holder you’re using?
I heard that mill scale can be removed with vinegar. How does this method compare to the shown ones?
The ones shown is when you need it done NOW, Hydrocloric Acid is when you need it Today. 12% vinegar is when you can wait 24h.
I got a smaller bucked of Hydrocloric for small parts i want cleaned within the hour, but usually i put my stuff in vinegar. Its ALOT cheaper and wont burn you or anything about the shop.
Recently built a welding table out of 90/90 H-beams and a 20mm thick plate. All of the got to soak in vinegar for about 2 days, then i just preassure washed and rubbed some wd40 on it. couldnt be cleaner and no grinding marks, pretty much ready for polish.
@@kennyfolkeryd735 thank you very much for the information. Very helpful.
What is the best type of brush to use to remove machining marks from aluminum without removing material?
Great video. You always find the best tools. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Dreamsky made this all possible providing the proof. What is the cost of this diamond wheel vs the others with economy in mind?
As you alluded to at the end, hydrochloric acid really is the way to go, so long as the job fits the tank.
Its quick, but I find 12% vinegar to be more cost effective and less introusive in the workshop ;=)
Great video brother keep up the content and projects.
You can get a similar finish to that with a vibrating orbital sander just as fast and a lot cheaper.
You said the flap disc was 60 grit @3:46, then you said it was 36 grit @4:50? which is it?
Is a sand blaster good for mill scale?
Vinegar is cheaper and sfer than hydrochloric acid. Degrease it first and let it soak for a couple of days. Even heavy mill scale will wipe off if you give it the time.
As a hobyist, I sure don't need it, but now I know it exists, I really want one. Stop showing such awesome expensive tools. Stuff like this gets me in trouble with the other half.
Silicon carbide abrasives is what u want for mill scale removal
As a respectful alternative - You can simply soak heavily mill-scaled parts in Cleaning Vinegar, which costs about 4 bucks / gallon at Walmart.
The difference between cleaning vinegar and white vinegar is that cleaning vinegar consists of 6% acetic acid, while the white vinegar has an acidity of 5%... This 1% difference is huge in acid intensity, making cleaning vinegar 20% stronger than white vinegar.
Soaked for about 4 hrs., a lot of that mill scale simply wipes off with a rag. The vinegar residue left on the part(s) can then be neutralized in a mixture of baking soda and water.
That definitely works (I do it all the time... for small items that will fit into a tub). What if the piece is 10 feet long? 5'x5' plate? Size is a factor.
Or why not just use a mill? Cheaper (if you have the mill), and will leave a flatter surface.
@@BuzzingGoober What do you mean? 'A mill'? Like DW Wood Builds replied - What if the piece is 10 feet long or a 5 foot x 5 foot plate? What kinda mill are you runnin' over
there?
Do you dilute the vinegar or use it straight?
So here's a weird one, apparently diamond tools don't work very well on steel because steel dissolves the diamonds. This makes me think that you're going to be going through that $300 wire brush relatively quickly if you're using it to get rid of Mill scale.
I don't know the chemistry but this is something I learned from a very experienced Machinist. Also, how would you rate the diamond wire versus a soak in vinegar?
I’m not sure about the diamond vs steel thing, I know a lot of thought went into making these diamond wheels so I’d doubt there’s evidence to say it’s counterproductive. While they are expensive for the end user, I’m sure they are expensive to manufacture. With the vinegar option, I’m sure it’s cheaper overall, but not every part can be soaked in vinegar, in my world, most parts are too big or cumbersome to be left in a vinegar bath to soak…
@@MakeEverything I still haven't done the vinegar method yet, but people really rave about how easy it is to dissolve Mill scale. I think in a production environment, something like this can save a lot of time and therefore money, so it makes sense
@@MakeEverything the company that does my laser cutting uses s355 steel. It has very hard mill scale even On thin stuff. Strip discs clog in a minute. I have removed mill scale from very large pieces by wrapping cloth around it, soaking the cloth in vinegar and then wrapping everything with stretch foil to prevent evaporation. Comes off with scotch brite the next day
Is there a knock off?
i dont seem to have any problem removing mill scale with a simple flap wheel..
Have you ever worked on heavy plate over 1”? The mill scale at that size is much different than normal consumer sized 1/2” and below
Stainless isn't non ferrous though 😅
You use stainless to clean non-ferrous material like aluminum before welding
Walter flexcut mill scale discs will outperform the diamond brush on any day of the week, twice on Sunday.
Cool video. Grinding rock would do that whole side in like 2 min lol
Anyone that has done metal work knows flap wheels only leave deep gouges "depending on the way you use it" with any metal removal consumables you wanna keep a flat position and dont apply too much force....there is noooo way this is more cost effective than even the cheapest flap wheels 🙄
What about rust?
Time is money and when customers paying, il take the longest 😂
Silicon carbide sanding discs and polycarbide discs are cheap and remove mill scale really fast. their finish looks better than a grinding disc but not as good as the diamond wire wheel. They will wear out fast when they get down to the steel, so only good for paint and millscale.
I have a 50 year old 9inch grinder & 32 grit, I’m blasting through in seconds, you can keep your fancy wire in your leg
What am I doing here? I don´t even work with metal!
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if youre not using 3m cubitron II, you are wasting your time and money
They last 4 eva
Its cool and if your shops making the money go for it, but can you imagine buying these for your employees!!! They get weaker and start only working about 50 percent then your employee grabs a new one ouch!
Mujhe chahiya ye biras
While this would definitely be nice, $300 buys a ton of stripper discs. Then again nobody is going to watch this video and buy 50 stripper discs through an affiliate link.
Mureatic acid makes work of mill scale in no time
How much time is "no time?"
@@JackOffAllTrades Depends on how large the piece is you want to descale.
@@JackOffAllTrades smaller pieces about an hour, I clean my Dragon tail twists in it when I need them shiny the same day.
If I got a day or so I let shit soak in 12% vinegar instead. more cost effective and wont fuck anything up if you spill it.
@@kennyfolkeryd735 Less than a hour when you use new muriatic acid. I use the environmental friendly one that is weaker than the pool stuff but it makes my metal easy to tig weld. I now order pickled and oiled steel.
I'll stick with $5 vinegar 😂
Had me sold until you said no hard edges. Recommend Only flat surfaces. Pretty limited in the cnc table industry. Cool tool but too expensive for flat only surfaces. Good review though.
yeah, aint affording that, but the point is good.
I let my thick shit soak in 12% vinegar (sells as weed repellant) for 6usd / 5Liter for about 24 hours, Millscale just washes off.
Works better then you think, did this to a 20mm thick 2000mm/1000mm plate used for my welding table. saved me a shitload of time.
a $300 wire wheel?? i dont care if its covered with naked chics thats fn ridiculous!! industrial diamond should NOT b anywhere even close to that ballpark of that expensive!
The timer was pointless, you didn't do the same area with each abrasive and you were obviously tickling the plate with the twisted brush and the sanding disc and then the 36 or 60 grit flapper.
No consistency whatsoever.
Give one to your partner, might encourage her to wash up more often lol
Buy a laser and do 50 plates in 5 min:)
u have to bear down a little on the tool man
Thanks, my grandma won't stand a chance
A 15 minute video for 3 minutes worth of information. Smh.
I don't like it
I'm the first one in this video
Really? I don't think so. I think you are not in this video at all.
@@ClaudeSac you mind your own business
@@MSJONESBLOUNT business is all in the mind
I'll just buy a new plate for that kind of money
Very slow work.
$300.. nah, not for me bro.