I don’t understand why they must make these new champs “too balanced / almost good” … For example , deathless king groot is def. a decent champ, but they had to super nerf his regen for some reason… if he still had the same regen as the OG KG he’d be much more interesting and useful, but as is , the regen is negligible and he lost that .. he’s still fine, but he’s not appealing to most. 2024 is the year of almost good champs. When there’s 200+ others to choose from they’re not going to get the love they deserve. The once almighty Titan crystal has lost nearly all of its original appeal Bc of this , in addition to the niche “og” champs they have chosen vs wide spread player favorites 😔
@@ChuckD05 because gamebreaking stupidly overpowered champs arent good for the game. balanced champs are healthy for the game. there’s such a stupid precedent about champs needing to be stupid overpowered in this game and i hate it.
@MetalSonicDude you said in a previous video that your opinion is that deathless vision is meant for short content / fights (with a threshold around 350 k HP opponent). What is your take about Kabam forcing us to do a quest in the summer of suffering to dupe deathless vision as the opponent is often close to 1 M HP pool? Thank you for your opinion
Maybe I’m sleeping on deathless vision idk but I really feel like these fights are exaggerating deathless vision’s effectiveness. The fights being used for this video are all essentially nodeless fights against champions that are either jokes on defense or directly countered by Deathless Vision. I feel like his performance against actual defenders with nodes would look a lot different from what’s shown in the video
some constructive critisism: -his damage is comparable to falcon (OK damage) -but his damage is just inconsistant, making his overall damage output worse than falcon. -anytime the fight is stalled (I.E unstoppable, stubborn AI, ETC), you will lose your damage just like that. -he thrives for short fights because his furies are easier to control very early in the fight. -there has to be some way for more consistant damage for him to be good in longer fights. that is why he is bad imo
I dont like how rank 3 7* with 12 fury passives is hitting for 9k crits, for me its all about the numbers this time because i like the playstyle and everything
@@MetalSonicDude ok let me rephrase that, i dont like how fully ramped vision is doing dmg similar to my other rank 3s unramped, for exemple my spider ham is doing similar dmg out of the box. To be honest I was expecting a bit more dmg since his power control isn't really power control
Immunity to reverse controls via the mind stone + ability accuracy buff (for added utility), increase the fury pause timer when phasing from 5 to 8 seconds (easier to keep damage going), and finally needs better power control (perhaps something extra built in if using tech collar mastery).
I love your video, just want to make a point. You said, you're not supposed to lock the enemy down with Dvision, you're supposed to "trade specials". And that is the issue. That is not power control. That won't work where you need power control, i.e in high power gain scenarios or scenarios where you don't want the opp throwing specials. In a nutshell, Deathless Vision's utility is literally just immunities and a healblock. That, couple with mediocre (Average) damage at best, is just bad for a 2024 champion. He has so many weaknesses, and virtually only one strength (healblock). He is not worth playing over the 20-30 other techs that are better than him, or have a niche, because deathless vision quite frankly has no niche. Master of none, Jack of none.. Of course, there's also so much disappointment because he isn't an early game champion. He's a deathless champion, that end game players grinded their ahh for, for 3 months. And if we get a champion that's this bad, it's just not acceptable.. Okay fine, he's just a piece for Deathless Thanos, but what about people who cannot get him because they weren't that progressed or on a break when Deathless Gully and Dkg were being chased? I really really hope he gets a rebalance, and would appreciate it greatly if our beloved content creators feed to that thought and push good feedback about his rebalance, so Kabam can hear the community, much like your amazing video on Sable!
This is a great video MSD! Great input, great showcase! I’m really hoping that awakened ability will give him a little push and showcase his degen potential.
Rigid, need ramp up over a long time, good against narrow specific fights, trade specials assuming ai cooperates, needs awakening in the future, specials need help - this is the definition of bad champ. Sorry. 😢
What they need to do is so simple. Give him where his phase can activate by just double tapping that way the player doesn't get thrown off and doesn't have to struggle by accident parry. Take off the limit to his power burns and just make his sp attacks unique, l1 power locks and still burns, l2 power steals and still burns, and l3 give him still the phase charges and power burns but gives him synthesis charges depending on how many bars are burn. U burn 3 u get 3, u burn 2 u get 2. Last please for the love of goodness take off where his sp attack give no power to the opponent he benefits from punishing opponents bars so it makes zero sense to give that to him. Very simple fix to his situation tbh Metalsonicfox if u can pass this on to the kabbam team and can buff him this way. Much appreciated, i just want him to be good
I think any champion looks good at rank 3 to be honest. He’s very underwhelming and needs a buff to be worth of that deathless tag. She hulk is going to be good at least
Losing credit supporting kabam so much. This is a horrible champ. The fact you're already suggesting he needs a bit of a rework while we have so many champs that are this level of useless is a bit of joke. Just my opinion
@MetalSonicDude nice dude! I love the old school stuff too, more of a 70s-90s guy with a bit of 60s mixed in. Although, I enjoy rock a lot more than rap, just prefer the heavier sound the instruments provide.
@@talon532 ur both aware the deathless champions are meant to all synergies with eachother once they are all released for a questing team right with thanos being the big syngery monster?
@@Leojay-mcocthey forgetting about that. Death Gilly with groot and vision synergies is melting opponents. Vision might get a good synergy with she hulk but can’t wait to see how the whole death team plays out.
Everyone's point about this champ is that it takes doing roster,resource and time consuming content to get the champ for him to come out...have the same animations no utility he's wack even awakened 15k crits on the mediums at r3 is horrible your showing us him against 250k health opponents.....we're at act 9 now there ain't no such thing as 250k health pools...be realistic stop following kabams orders to butter us up to gain some sorta hype for the champ....he's 💩 it is what it is
@@DharakRulerofDarkness if you have some sense then read MSD pinned comment He himself said on live server Are you getting the point? And I wrote "how he does after" which denotes future tense
It doesnt actually matter if any new champions are good/bad/broken. Vision is a cool character that we will have to use at some point, I took him to r2 and I have no regrets, its pointless to sit here and talk about if he s the best champ or not. The best tech champ not even close is ghost with suicides, a 6* champ. Dont fault Msd for liking this champion or anyone for liking an unic champion, all those ppl are the same (3 r3s on the account: onslaught, bullseye, serpent and say OmG iM sO gOoD aT tHiS gAmE)
@blizzardsss No. But it's a shame they took all this time to make a near useless character instead of just buffing the ones that actually need it. Groot for example.
@@talon532 he’s a champ with power control and decent damage. deathless champs are meant to be simple, not extremely broken. he’s not a bad champ, he’s just not amazing or insane, just like every other deathless champ. and they are buffing characters still, they’re running an entire poll to rework a character of the community’s choice.
I'm trying here guys haha. Last vision vid until I get him duped on the live server
That's a better one
I don’t understand why they must make these new champs “too balanced / almost good” …
For example , deathless king groot is def. a decent champ, but they had to super nerf his regen for some reason… if he still had the same regen as the OG KG he’d be much more interesting and useful, but as is , the regen is negligible and he lost that .. he’s still fine, but he’s not appealing to most.
2024 is the year of almost good champs. When there’s 200+ others to choose from they’re not going to get the love they deserve.
The once almighty Titan crystal has lost nearly all of its original appeal Bc of this , in addition to the niche “og” champs they have chosen vs wide spread player favorites 😔
@@ChuckD05 because gamebreaking stupidly overpowered champs arent good for the game. balanced champs are healthy for the game. there’s such a stupid precedent about champs needing to be stupid overpowered in this game and i hate it.
How are you going to dupe him?
@MetalSonicDude you said in a previous video that your opinion is that deathless vision is meant for short content / fights (with a threshold around 350 k HP opponent).
What is your take about Kabam forcing us to do a quest in the summer of suffering to dupe deathless vision as the opponent is often close to 1 M HP pool?
Thank you for your opinion
"Trading specials" aaaaaand that's where the problem is
@@SwedeahL True
Me after dexing 3 specials instead of power locking them: Boss! I'm tired.
Maybe I’m sleeping on deathless vision idk but I really feel like these fights are exaggerating deathless vision’s effectiveness.
The fights being used for this video are all essentially nodeless fights against champions that are either jokes on defense or directly countered by Deathless Vision.
I feel like his performance against actual defenders with nodes would look a lot different from what’s shown in the video
some constructive critisism:
-his damage is comparable to falcon (OK damage)
-but his damage is just inconsistant, making his overall damage output worse than falcon.
-anytime the fight is stalled (I.E unstoppable, stubborn AI, ETC), you will lose your damage just like that.
-he thrives for short fights because his furies are easier to control very early in the fight. -there has to be some way for more consistant damage for him to be good in longer fights. that is why he is bad imo
I dont like how rank 3 7* with 12 fury passives is hitting for 9k crits, for me its all about the numbers this time because i like the playstyle and everything
He’s hitting 15k crits with 12 furies
@@MetalSonicDude ok let me rephrase that, i dont like how fully ramped vision is doing dmg similar to my other rank 3s unramped, for exemple my spider ham is doing similar dmg out of the box. To be honest I was expecting a bit more dmg since his power control isn't really power control
Immunity to reverse controls via the mind stone + ability accuracy buff (for added utility), increase the fury pause timer when phasing from 5 to 8 seconds (easier to keep damage going), and finally needs better power control (perhaps something extra built in if using tech collar mastery).
Has his uses but he’ll never be meta
I appreciate the perspective, but kinda feel this just gives Kabam reasons not to rebalance him.
Ik he’s still bad but what about synergies with Cap IW, Mister Fantastic, or Iron Machine? You know those simple lil buffs for tech.
Regular Visions aren’t meta and this guy is worse.
Put a High Pass Filter (80hz) on your audio chain to get rid of the low end rumble/hum.
Good shout dude, thanks!
I believe he just need, burn 100% of full bar of power in sp2
So if opponent reached sp3, he would get 3 phase charges
I love your video, just want to make a point. You said, you're not supposed to lock the enemy down with Dvision, you're supposed to "trade specials". And that is the issue. That is not power control. That won't work where you need power control, i.e in high power gain scenarios or scenarios where you don't want the opp throwing specials.
In a nutshell, Deathless Vision's utility is literally just immunities and a healblock. That, couple with mediocre (Average) damage at best, is just bad for a 2024 champion. He has so many weaknesses, and virtually only one strength (healblock). He is not worth playing over the 20-30 other techs that are better than him, or have a niche, because deathless vision quite frankly has no niche. Master of none, Jack of none..
Of course, there's also so much disappointment because he isn't an early game champion. He's a deathless champion, that end game players grinded their ahh for, for 3 months. And if we get a champion that's this bad, it's just not acceptable.. Okay fine, he's just a piece for Deathless Thanos, but what about people who cannot get him because they weren't that progressed or on a break when Deathless Gully and Dkg were being chased?
I really really hope he gets a rebalance, and would appreciate it greatly if our beloved content creators feed to that thought and push good feedback about his rebalance, so Kabam can hear the community, much like your amazing video on Sable!
This is a great video MSD! Great input, great showcase! I’m really hoping that awakened ability will give him a little push and showcase his degen potential.
Rigid, need ramp up over a long time, good against narrow specific fights, trade specials assuming ai cooperates, needs awakening in the future, specials need help - this is the definition of bad champ. Sorry. 😢
What they need to do is so simple. Give him where his phase can activate by just double tapping that way the player doesn't get thrown off and doesn't have to struggle by accident parry. Take off the limit to his power burns and just make his sp attacks unique, l1 power locks and still burns, l2 power steals and still burns, and l3 give him still the phase charges and power burns but gives him synthesis charges depending on how many bars are burn. U burn 3 u get 3, u burn 2 u get 2. Last please for the love of goodness take off where his sp attack give no power to the opponent he benefits from punishing opponents bars so it makes zero sense to give that to him. Very simple fix to his situation tbh
Metalsonicfox if u can pass this on to the kabbam team and can buff him this way. Much appreciated, i just want him to be good
Bro wrote a book and said it's simple 😂😂😂
Doesn't matter, he's mid or lower than that 😂
I was most excited about this deathless character. I’m optimistic about him
Once I dupe and rank him up!
Almost every other 7* champs, even low tier, is very good against short fights where the defender has less than 300k health.
Love this series!
He feels bugged
I think people are underestimating his phasing ability
If you want the phase ability, just use Viv. She has the same phase on parry but more often and has more dmg and utility
That phase ability is nothing but a glorified dex and passive parry, what's your point?
I don’t know…seems his damage is better than OG Vision. Gonna have to play around with him a bit once I awaken him.
Nice video. I am a believer now
How did you awaken him?
I think any champion looks good at rank 3 to be honest. He’s very underwhelming and needs a buff to be worth of that deathless tag. She hulk is going to be good at least
Losing credit supporting kabam so much. This is a horrible champ.
The fact you're already suggesting he needs a bit of a rework while we have so many champs that are this level of useless is a bit of joke. Just my opinion
His damage is terrible and he has next to no utility.
And about the damage like I said take full advantage of suicides if you’re willing
Is cool but need buff for sure
How to Really use D Vision:
don’t…
Thumbs up for the “see the vision” pun ❤
prolly better sinister counters: cgr, guardian, red skull
The best way to use deathless vision is to not use him at all
For once msd didn’t cook
Pour one out for me fellas 😞
OG Vision ftw
Sadly this champ is not the best Deathless champ actually
Viv is way better. I dont know why they couldn't just let him phase as right off the bat like her and add another mechanic to get larger furys..fixed
Nah MSD you gotta let this piece of crap let go DL vision is simply pathetic
So far the worst deathless champ tbh.
Need a rebalance. Then power burn is weak and he lack utilities.
It's mad I deleted mcoc 2 years ago gave it another try and wow how many bad champs are top tier now
Yoooo! RHCP enjoyer? Thats so cool. What other music do you enjoy MSD?
Lots of stuff! Bit of Frank Sinatra, love me some old school music, and I like 80/90’s rap and rock!
@MetalSonicDude nice dude! I love the old school stuff too, more of a 70s-90s guy with a bit of 60s mixed in. Although, I enjoy rock a lot more than rap, just prefer the heavier sound the instruments provide.
Sable And vision needs buffs manely silver Sable
1:08 haha
Used properly and still trash. Wow😂
don’t think people understand he’s meant to be a questing champ.
even in questing is bad
There's-quite literally-hundreds of other champions that can do questing far better than him.
@@talon532 ur both aware the deathless champions are meant to all synergies with eachother once they are all released for a questing team right with thanos being the big syngery monster?
@Leojay-mcoc I understand that but so far, they alone have been rather lackluster.
@@Leojay-mcocthey forgetting about that. Death Gilly with groot and vision synergies is melting opponents. Vision might get a good synergy with she hulk but can’t wait to see how the whole death team plays out.
Everyone's point about this champ is that it takes doing roster,resource and time consuming content to get the champ for him to come out...have the same animations no utility he's wack even awakened 15k crits on the mediums at r3 is horrible your showing us him against 250k health opponents.....we're at act 9 now there ain't no such thing as 250k health pools...be realistic stop following kabams orders to butter us up to gain some sorta hype for the champ....he's 💩 it is what it is
Lets see how he does after getting awakened
He already was awakend in this video lol
@@DharakRulerofDarkness if you have some sense then read MSD pinned comment
He himself said on live server
Are you getting the point?
And I wrote "how he does after" which denotes future tense
@@Thanos_1807 I don't have to get lectured by some spoiled brat like you who gets pissed of just because someone answers your comment
Still rubbish
It doesnt actually matter if any new champions are good/bad/broken. Vision is a cool character that we will have to use at some point, I took him to r2 and I have no regrets, its pointless to sit here and talk about if he s the best champ or not. The best tech champ not even close is ghost with suicides, a 6* champ. Dont fault Msd for liking this champion or anyone for liking an unic champion, all those ppl are the same (3 r3s on the account: onslaught, bullseye, serpent and say OmG iM sO gOoD aT tHiS gAmE)
Mfs want every champion to have insane damage with insane utility, I personally like him if you don't like him don't play him simple
exactly, he’s not useless
@blizzardsss No. But it's a shame they took all this time to make a near useless character instead of just buffing the ones that actually need it. Groot for example.
@@blizzardsss that's one way to describe a champion😂
@@talon532 he’s a champ with power control and decent damage. deathless champs are meant to be simple, not extremely broken. he’s not a bad champ, he’s just not amazing or insane, just like every other deathless champ. and they are buffing characters still, they’re running an entire poll to rework a character of the community’s choice.
@@talon532 i’d also like to add that deathless vision is subject to rebalancing just like every other champ, so he can always get tuned up