You literally predicted doom shroom's return in a video talking about the problems with pvz1 nostalgia fanservice. Also, they clearly very much butchered our poor boy.
hey at least the growth stages beyond 1 don't look bad same with the idle animations, umbrella leaf could actually be pretty decent for countering imp cannons, octo zombies etc
@@HelpHelp-j7ti kinda like how broken that is. Acloning doom shroom. 1 thing i hate is probably because its simple or boring to use, just plant some doom shroom and you win, no strategy at all.
If they’re going to bring back Umbrella Leaf they seriously should have done it in big wave beach Fits the summer theme Also counters octo’s so thats nice Don’t return it now of all times 😭
@@jezierskioliwier2212 i didnt say its gonna look like burdock batter i said it wold function like it. it bounces peas off it and makes them lobbed while also deflecting lobbed zombie projectiles
It's crazy too cause they actually did this in reverse for Gloom Shroom and Ice Shroom too, Gloom Shroom's gimmick of being an adjacent tile attacker was given to Phat Beat and Gloom Vine, and Ice Shroom's effect was turned into Ice Bloom. If they ever bring back Gloom Shroom…what the hell are they gonna do?
The only reason I could think for adding umbrella leaf and having it like, be useful, is if it deflected the octopi that get thrown in Big Wave Beach. But then it's in a similar situation to Seashroom where that's the only world it's actually useful in
Hot take: I think doom shrooms rework is the best of the returning plants, it keeps the old doom shroom’s mechanics, while modernizing the plant to give it new life
Funny thing is it’s so easy to rebalance plants, too, but for some reason they’re steadfast on keeping the PVZ1 abilities. Scaredy Shroom - Role compression like Red Stinger, now costs 75 but has half the health of a Wall-Nut and the same damage as a pea long range. To compensate, the recharge is longer. Umbrella Leaf - Mainly used in a 3x3 radius to fend off air ambushes, Imp Cannons, etc. however, it can enclose a protective shield over the plants in the same radius. Now costs about 175 for its versatile usage. Gold Magnet - Collects coins and sun, with recharge being a bit buffed. Prioritizes coins. Now picks up 3 items at a time. Costs about 150 sun for its ability, but is still a lesson on why you shouldn’t bring everything to a loadout. Now I’m personally a nostalgia sucker and don’t always mind old faces. But I feel like we haven’t really gotten any new plants (with the ones we do get being either unbalanced or not new). I guess it’s with the development of PVZ3, so this ‘dry spell’ is probably here to stay for a while.
Honestly, Scaredy-shroom needs buffs like these. I can recall that some people have mentioned that having Scaredy-shroom in PVZ2 would be too OP, and I don't see why. It's a Peashooter who hides when zombies are near, in a game like PVZ2, where every single world has one rusher-type enemy that'd absolutely cripple a Scaredy-shroom focused defense. It wouldn't even be good in Dark Ages where it's terrible firepower and deflectable projectile would make it food for the Jester and Knight Zombies, even in spite of a 25-sun cost.
The dry spell is probably gonna last until this game loses support honestly, if PopCap is banking on PVZ3’s success at least. But yeah, it’s weird how PopCap both does and doesn’t take advantage of reworking and balancing the plants they bring back. Why Scaredy got no changes when Ice-Shroom got a rework? Won’t ever understand
I mean... wouldn't that version of Scaredy-shroom be basically just Pea-nut but worse? Sun isn't really an issue in PvZ2 so 75 vs 150 sun cost doesn't really change much so the only differences left are that Pea-nut has more health and still shoots when zombies get close to it.
one of the ideas I thought of to bring gold magnet back to pvz2 would be for him to shoot a beam of sunlight every time he collected sun, basically a magnifying grass that doesn't spend sun, but with less damage
@@frowner_and_co (international is the normal version on google play) what the commenter is referring to is in PVZ2 (china) they added 机枪豌豆 (Gatling pea) in late 2020 (can't get the version it was added a the moment) mean while for the non china version, Mega Gatling Pea was added mid 2022 note that they are different plants from each other (though both based on the fire 4 peas each attack Idea in PVZ1)
I feel like a huge majority of the arena plants would get much more positive reception if they were released pre 2020's because Popcap actually tried to make plants back then. Doom shroom would've probably been amazing if it had been a plant released during the adventure era.
What else will they bring back? Let's see which PvZ1 plants remain... 1) Cob Cannon Even though Banana Launcher is basically the same thing but potassium, adding Doom made me believe they will 2) Umbrella Leaf It could counter Lost Pilots, I guess 3) Coffee Bean They'll either make a zombie that puts plants to sleep (like Arch Mage from PvZ2 China), or give B E A N a different functionality 4) Plantern They'll make it a sun producer 5) Gold Magnet Instead of attracting coins, it'll attract sun 6) Flower Pot IDK MAN, buffing plants that are on it, like making Peashooters shoot faster and Sunflower produce sun faster (future me, did I predict the future?)
Half of these are in 2C, and credit where credit is due… they’re usable. But like, very pointless 😭 I think this is really the issue with the remaining bunch, if Doom-Shroom felt like a nothing edition then I’m worried that the remaining bunch would be pointless too
@@SylviaYSIi think flower pot would be like fusion plants in pvz heroes, when they get placed on the flower pot, the get buffed For example, sun producing plants could produce 25% more sun Attacking plants could attack 75% faster Defencive plants could have double the hp And utility plants (magnet shroom for example) could do their effect 50% faster
So uhh yeahhhhh Every single Doom Shroom in the lawn will immediately go into the 3rd stage and explode and then gets cloned to the 1st stage when plantfooded...
Honestly I think umbrella leaf COULD be a decent addition if it goes in the direction like blover and counter launched attacks like the octopus throws and vase throws from zcorpion
could even act as a repellent for swinging/falling zombie ambushes, lost piolets, swash buckler bot swarms even to some extent kicked super fan imps and zombies kicked by breakdancers.. as a permanent defense component this in addition to possibly serving a role of protecting from zombie projectiles (reflected or otherwise). its one of those things where there's enough instances of zombies jumping into the fray from above that even just pushing them back for trying has an important use case. i might also just be a sucker for plants that work of adjacency mechanics. a simple effect of "Knocks back zombies and zombie attacks that attempt to land nearby" is honestlysomething that definately a minimum has a place in the game. even if blover really does the job better, but thats blovers sins. (seriously i wish we could just yeet blover in favor of hurrikale for the purpose of that kind of anti air plan.)
We are 100% getting the rest of the roster, some will be decent for certain features such as umbrella leaf blocking thrown imps (even tho blover does that), gold magnet collects sun, plantern heals maybe? (Fog will probs be added to penny's pursuit), flower pot will probs allow u to plant on mold and craters, and cattail and cob cannon are just gonna be mad op
I honestly think with the creative direction, PopCap would be better off adding scrapped PvZ3 plants or even better, the plants from PvZ Adventures to PvZ2 than re-adding plants from PvZ1 to PvZ2
@@SylviaYSI That would've been perfect. I still need Bamboo Shoot (note: Bamboo Shoot, not Bamboo Shoots) back in the tower defence series though. It is so perfect.
If they do add umbrella leaf, I feel like it would be a wall plant that can knock back zombies... Chard guard, i'm thinking of chared guard. Maybe add in the benefit that it can be just one shot flying zombies
Like they keep adding returning plants we don't care about but they haven't added cattail which would fit right in as an upgrade to homing thistle that pierces or something because cattail seems so easy to put in pvz2 as a homing thistle upgrade, hell as a plant counterpart to the heath seeker I will say at least doom shroom is a manual explosive which is really cool and at the very least it works differently from its pvz1 counterpart, but other than that it does kind of the same thing, at different growth it does different damages and has different explosion ranges depending on how much it has grown which is at least something unique.
I think that if they do add planters they could make it a support plant that strengthens plants around it or heals them maybe they can also give it sun beans feature as a bonus
I predict CatTail is coming back next... with Popcap trying to implement all the water related stuff and releasing 4 amphibious plants in a row at one point its only a matter of time before CatTail makes its return (and im here for it tbh i love CatTail)
I know this was just four months ago, but they had two new plants and not plants from plants for zombies one. Which hopefully this will make you happy.
the real reason why they have to add these pvz1 plants with different styles and abilities because their abilities wer stolen by new plants like for example: 1.) Scaredy Shroom: almostly due to the function of nightcap hiding, therefore he has same ability like last pvz1 but more powerful due to his pf: imitating his versions in a 3 by 3 area knockbacking zombies 2.) Ice Shroom: Ice Bloom stole his pf ability :the explosion which causes zombies to freeze, therefore he was upgraded to become an instant melee plant who cannot be losed unless the zombie eats it, headbutting by piercing the zombies with its sharp icicles like a blade. 3.) Doom Shroom: Boom Balloon pf exists according to other fans, therefore he was judged here in pvz2 due to his new look the smaller version, but as of now he has an info involving the reason why he was small because right now the size was cropped which makes him a 3 stage plant, and will only be counted as losing a plant by explosion if a zombie tries to eat it just like what happened to the unfinished version of his ability
While I don't support the fact that popcap keeps bringing back PvZ plants to PvZ2 just for the fanservice, I think this version of Doom-shroom can be interesting. Its a very expensive plant that needs a long time to reach its final form (with a 5x5 high damage explosion) and explodes when touched by a zombie. Its a 400 sun plant you have to spend and defend for a long while if you want its full effect (Otherwise, if a zombie touches it early, it would explode early, making a 1x1 small damage explosion or a 3x3 mid damage explosion). If PopCap doesn't mess up the balance this could be great plant.
Theres actually still a lot of zombies that cant be countered by a specific plant if you dont count instant kills so lets just hope they make the returning plant good like gatling and ice shroom
unless if it gets entirely reworked like ice shroom, i think doom shroom would unironically work in pvz 2, simply because it's basically just a better cherry bomb
To be honest there only adding a bunch of mushrooms so were likey getting gloom also to be honest i think doomshroom fits in pvz2 decently well do to how strong he is unlike scardy or sea shroom
The new plants are blaze leaf, and frost bonnet. To me I really hate blaze leaf because first it’s attacks are really bad the plant food but I am so happy they added frost bonnet because after seeing a little tutorial of how he works it’s like mangofier how you can switch between different modes plus the plant food is sick
Honestly, I'm glad they're bringing back the old plants from PvZ1 into PvZ2 even if their gimmicks get changed a bit, that's actually good, otherwise it would look like a copy of a new plant introduced in PvZ2 and that wouldn't be good for the returning plant. Plus despite their return I'm very happy to see more and more brand new plants being discovered in the code as well. So let them bring back all the old plants from Pvz1 into PvZ2 and give them new gimmicks! Shows that they care about listening to the fans and bringing in new plants too! Shit, I'm just happy we're STILL getting new plants, old or not in PvZ2 and not waiting an eternity for PvZ3 to finally be good.
Honestly I completely get this, and tbh I’m happy they’re making new plants too. My issue is that every time they do this, it makes me feel like we’re getting closer and closer to the final plant dropping, because they feel very simple with the main change being the gimmicks and not the faces
I would genuinely be hella down for this if they actually took the time to make them cool and redesign them properly instead of just using them as nostalgia bait…
We now know what doom shrimp does and it’s not that bad. The only bad thing is that if placed on one of the bottom two lanes the explosion is cut off at the top and also the zombies die way too late compared to the explosion.
I would only be annoyed if they served no point in the game, like objectively speaking Umbrella Leaf and Gold Magnet would still be useless even if they were added in since 2013
Am I the only one who thinks PVZ2 has too many plants in general? One of the greatest things in PVZ1 was the fact that almost every plant had a unique gimmick.
I feel like all plants should move from one game up to another, nomater what they do, and Popcap can just change what they do if the game needs it, or just add some zombies to use them. It will make it so you can find a plant you like in a game with less plants, go to the next game then you only have a few new plants that can be better than your old favorate plant. It also just makes it feel like the games arn't in there own seprete universe.
The problem isn't that they are being added to the game; the problem is that they haven't been added to the game earlier. (They wouldn't have to change Ice Shroom if it came out before Ice Bloom existed; Scaredy Shroom would be perfect for the Dark Ages, and there is literally no reason for Sea Shroom to not be in Big Wave Beach.) Also, pumpkin being added into the game is valid.
i like that they added doom shroom, but if they execute it poorly, dont add it. we dont need the animation or art of the new doomshroom to be ruined imo
I'm still not really seeing the problem outside of some level gimmick plants like Umbrella Leaf & Flower Pot. It's just adding Plants that realistically should have been here to begin w/ & it's expanding the roster & I don't really see the issue unless as long as the plant isn't too gimmick-reliant like Coffee Bean & Plantern.
Actually, hear me out, maybe Umbrella Leaf could work. Even though Bungee Zombies aren’t in PvZ2, there could still be use for Umbrella Leaf in other ways. Like maybe it could be used to bounce away lost pilot zombies, octopi, catapult zombie projectiles like in the first game, and maybe it could finally deflect Imps too. Basically any lobbed or fallen projectiles/zombies. It could work.
Umbrella Leaf could have worked in PvZ2. The problem is PopCap missed the perfect opportunity to add it. Umbrella Leaf would have been perfect in Lost City, serving as a counter to Lost Pilot Zombie. It could bounce them away like Bungee Zombie in the first game. It could have also served as a counter to Octopus Zombie by bouncing away the Octopi it throws.
sea shrooms really good in arena ngl also im hoping they add umbrella leaf but give her a completeley diffrent mechanic like ice shroom same for gold magnet
On one hand doom shroom could fit rather well in the context of how fast paced this game is. On the other hand doom shroom is basically already in the game so unless they are gonna give it a new function I don’t see the point and if they do give it the ice shroom treatment like you said JUST MAKE IT A NEW PLANT.
i can see ice shroom but how did they do gatling pea dirty? it got hella buffs from pvz 1 and is now one of the best plants in the game along with pea vine and torchwood
@@SylviaYSI in a way, but, they did add Mega Gatling after pvz2c had "regular" gatling for a while so i dont see cob cannon as being completely out of the question
doom shroom would've actually been useful if it was added since the beginning and before the seed packet unlocking method. but now doom shroom wouldnt be able to compete but would still be S tier plant
so it's practically useless AND a waste of money, how incredible. Guess we can just buy it instead of grinding seed packets though so I would say its an improvement. At least we wouldn't have to spend an eternity grinding for a literal sea shroom
NO YOU ARE NOT CRAZY i also questioned the fact that for the balloon plants plant food it spawns a doomshroom. i'm pretty sure it's for more variety or the doom shroom is going to be different. but in pvz1 it killed every zombie on the lawn so im pretty sure balancing/changing it like you said is going to be hard especially not knowing how its gonna affect other bombard class plants and the ballon plants plant food.
They should’ve brought back all of the PVZ 1 plants for free in a variety of ways, like with Torchwood’s introductory weekly thing, or through gems, or through EASILY acquirable seeds, or by updating the worlds (I miss you, free Snow Pea, Cattail, and O.G. Grave Buster design).
I feel like theyd be good in certain aspects of the core game, like when old plants are in the worlds, but I dont see the point of making a previously adventure plant paid for, especially when its thing is in another new plant already, like iceberg lettuce and ice shroom
tbf umbrella leaf would have been so cool to be a lost city plant (counters pilot and relic) and maybe they can also make it a wall plant but eh ig missed opportunity
They’d have needed to turn the leaves or something, but honestly yeah it’d have fit the beach vibe well. Considering how PopCap has shown that they’re not afraid to add new plants for that world… could happen.
My prediction Plantern: will be an attacking plant killing zombies with their light Damage: 200 family: contain mint Recharge: 10 seconds Sun cost: 25 Pf: blinds all zombies for 15 seconds stunning them Flower pot: will be an attacking wall plant like endurian but stronger Damage:90 family spear mint Recharge: 15 Sun cost: 100 Pf: explodes on the spot in a 3x3 spot Gold magnetic: will shoot coins and has a 15% chance to shoot diamonds
Why are ya'll so angry about a game being updated? Like literally by that time that you have unlocked this plant, you would already have finished that adventure mode, y'all are just complaining for the sake of it
I rather have it if you use doom shroom, it nukes all your plants and zombies but hails zombies from attacking for 30 seconds to build up your defense again
I don't mind them adding old plants even if it's just for almanac fodder. At worst, the plants are lazy nostalgia bait, outclassed & bloated, and don't fit within the 2x sun meta, so they can be ignored in every day play. Despite this, there can always be enjoyment in trying them out for an extra challenge or just changing up a monotonous composition. Of course I still see this as desperate pandering, but I view the plant roster as very expansive, effectively complete, new plants don't have a major effect on me, so them being returning plants doesn't matter. Likewise, if they stopped releasing plants it wouldn't matter much. People who want more creative plants or have already spent years acquiring most of them are obviously affected more when an update passes, but for most players, the adventures & gemiums are the most accessible, the only effect they have when a new seedium releases is seeing it covered on TH-cam. On the more developmental side of things, it is bad news when creative ideas are in a drought, I hope they don't break previous features in order to sell us in on their new features, the worst case in that scenario is version regression like players who are against the unbalanced leveling system. I agree that the PVZ1 plants are inferior to pretty much everything else, but realistically it doesn't have any effect to the average player :)
I completely agree with this, generally people are unbothered by Doom and other PVZ1 plants coming back. My real main issue is that creativity part, I like seeing PopCap come up with new ideas and when they’re not even able to make a new design… it concerns me a little? I guess with a game that has nearly 200 plants, it doesn’t matter anymore, but still, just worries me a bit
At the very least, theres only so many faces they can bring back before popcap needs to try again. *actually, with these new plant graphics i doubt they're even trying*
You literally predicted doom shroom's return in a video talking about the problems with pvz1 nostalgia fanservice. Also, they clearly very much butchered our poor boy.
Meh, the animations could be worse.
apparently it’s a growing plant similar to Sun Shroom where the bigger he is the more volatile he becomes
only other plant ik that grows like that
@@drago252 I guess Dazey Chain is another plant that grows
hey at least the growth stages beyond 1 don't look bad same with the idle animations, umbrella leaf could actually be pretty decent for countering imp cannons, octo zombies etc
@@drago252ultomato is just that with money, also strawburst exists
Note that the Doom Shroom appearing in Boom Balloon Flower’s Plant Food ability is better designed than Doom Shroom’s first growth stage
That's just...
*Sad.*
It's literally a copy of Strawburst's plant food in terms of how it works...
I hope the final plant just shoots one projectile per account and does nothing forever
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Meatsheild
🥩🛡️@@Yahjirujo
Watch one of the Doom shroom game play by those leakers. You'll hate it.
@@HelpHelp-j7ti kinda like how broken that is. Acloning doom shroom. 1 thing i hate is probably because its simple or boring to use, just plant some doom shroom and you win, no strategy at all.
Don't diss umbrella leaf like that they look like a skrunkly scrimblo
If they’re going to bring back Umbrella Leaf they seriously should have done it in big wave beach
Fits the summer theme
Also counters octo’s so thats nice
Don’t return it now of all times 😭
@@tropicalbytsanity7845they’re gonna bring back umbrella leaf and make it a pea synergy plant like burdock batter is in pvz2c
@@frostwing1899then its no longer an umbrella
@@jezierskioliwier2212 i didnt say its gonna look like burdock batter i said it wold function like it. it bounces peas off it and makes them lobbed while also deflecting lobbed zombie projectiles
@@frostwing1899sounds neat
2:04 the fact that the sea shroom in front looks back at the other sea shroom when you say that is just
2:30 You legit took the words right out of my mouth. I'm glad to see im not the only one with that opinion on my birthday so thanks for that.
I’m also glad I’m not the only one with that opinion, and if it’s not too late, Happy Birthday to ya!
Happy birthday!
i kinda had that opinion too, btw happy birthday(coincidentally, it's my channel's 1 year birthday)
It's crazy too cause they actually did this in reverse for Gloom Shroom and Ice Shroom too, Gloom Shroom's gimmick of being an adjacent tile attacker was given to Phat Beat and Gloom Vine, and Ice Shroom's effect was turned into Ice Bloom. If they ever bring back Gloom Shroom…what the hell are they gonna do?
Happy birthday!
The only reason I could think for adding umbrella leaf and having it like, be useful, is if it deflected the octopi that get thrown in Big Wave Beach. But then it's in a similar situation to Seashroom where that's the only world it's actually useful in
Unfortunately, Popcap probably wouldn't make it work like that, seeing how they handled doom shroom and ice shroom
maybe they can also make it repel zombies that swing in or gargantuar imp throw?
Or that catapult one in zomburia
Or maybe protecting from dinosaurus when they launching zombies
Hot take: I think doom shrooms rework is the best of the returning plants, it keeps the old doom shroom’s mechanics, while modernizing the plant to give it new life
That fact that 7 yr old me somehow predicted doom shroom would have stages still scares me
Doom Shroom jumpscare
meh it's not hard to predict giving the sun shroom already have this grow gimmick lmao
whenever PopCap adds a new PvZ1 plant to PvZ2, i feel like i’m the only fan they’re servicing 😭
anyways, we’ve GOT to have… *moneyyy…*
PvZ2 plant rework again when 👀
True too
Aren't you the guy who make a "Can I beat Pvz2 with only Pvz1 plants?" challenge?
@@JRicardoTorres3752 My nerd self: IT IS MADE
Welp I'm not alone
Funny thing is it’s so easy to rebalance plants, too, but for some reason they’re steadfast on keeping the PVZ1 abilities.
Scaredy Shroom - Role compression like Red Stinger, now costs 75 but has half the health of a Wall-Nut and the same damage as a pea long range. To compensate, the recharge is longer.
Umbrella Leaf - Mainly used in a 3x3 radius to fend off air ambushes, Imp Cannons, etc. however, it can enclose a protective shield over the plants in the same radius. Now costs about 175 for its versatile usage.
Gold Magnet - Collects coins and sun, with recharge being a bit buffed. Prioritizes coins. Now picks up 3 items at a time. Costs about 150 sun for its ability, but is still a lesson on why you shouldn’t bring everything to a loadout.
Now I’m personally a nostalgia sucker and don’t always mind old faces. But I feel like we haven’t really gotten any new plants (with the ones we do get being either unbalanced or not new). I guess it’s with the development of PVZ3, so this ‘dry spell’ is probably here to stay for a while.
They only left scaredy shroom without any new abilities
Honestly, Scaredy-shroom needs buffs like these. I can recall that some people have mentioned that having Scaredy-shroom in PVZ2 would be too OP, and I don't see why. It's a Peashooter who hides when zombies are near, in a game like PVZ2, where every single world has one rusher-type enemy that'd absolutely cripple a Scaredy-shroom focused defense. It wouldn't even be good in Dark Ages where it's terrible firepower and deflectable projectile would make it food for the Jester and Knight Zombies, even in spite of a 25-sun cost.
The dry spell is probably gonna last until this game loses support honestly, if PopCap is banking on PVZ3’s success at least. But yeah, it’s weird how PopCap both does and doesn’t take advantage of reworking and balancing the plants they bring back. Why Scaredy got no changes when Ice-Shroom got a rework? Won’t ever understand
I mean... wouldn't that version of Scaredy-shroom be basically just Pea-nut but worse? Sun isn't really an issue in PvZ2 so 75 vs 150 sun cost doesn't really change much so the only differences left are that Pea-nut has more health and still shoots when zombies get close to it.
one of the ideas I thought of to bring gold magnet back to pvz2 would be for him to shoot a beam of sunlight every time he collected sun, basically a magnifying grass that doesn't spend sun, but with less damage
The Spongebob clip of many Spongebobs running around a burning office is actually leaked footage from Popcap’s development sector
If they somehow manage to add the pvz1 plants that are in the Chinese version of pvz2 it's joever
They added Gatling pea.
@@Kribykingthat's from the international version
I'm pretty sure they're legally not allowed to do that.
@@frowner_and_co
(international is the normal version on google play)
what the commenter is referring to is in PVZ2 (china) they added 机枪豌豆 (Gatling pea) in late 2020 (can't get the version it was added a the moment)
mean while for the non china version, Mega Gatling Pea was added mid 2022
note that they are different plants from each other (though both based on the fire 4 peas each attack Idea in PVZ1)
@@melvint-p9500 They’ve added Gatling Pea, so they clearly just have to do some redesign.
It's honestly insane how they messed up doom shroom's design when boom balloon's plant food is RIGHT THERE 😭
*YER GONNA TURN INTO A GOOMBA!*
PvZ2 Doom Shroom in a nutshell
Yea
Oh hi you.
Doom shroom came back a little too late.
It's only a matter of time until umbrella leaf comes to the game
I feel like a huge majority of the arena plants would get much more positive reception if they were released pre 2020's because Popcap actually tried to make plants back then. Doom shroom would've probably been amazing if it had been a plant released during the adventure era.
umbrella leaf would have been useful against the jester zombie..
If they DO add Umbrella Leaf into PVZ2 (which I hope not), it would be the first (and only) plant to counter octoling zombie at the front
What else will they bring back? Let's see which PvZ1 plants remain...
1) Cob Cannon
Even though Banana Launcher is basically the same thing but potassium, adding Doom made me believe they will
2) Umbrella Leaf
It could counter Lost Pilots, I guess
3) Coffee Bean
They'll either make a zombie that puts plants to sleep (like Arch Mage from PvZ2 China), or give B E A N a different functionality
4) Plantern
They'll make it a sun producer
5) Gold Magnet
Instead of attracting coins, it'll attract sun
6) Flower Pot
IDK MAN, buffing plants that are on it, like making Peashooters shoot faster and Sunflower produce sun faster
(future me, did I predict the future?)
2) and zcorpion too
Half of these are in 2C, and credit where credit is due… they’re usable. But like, very pointless 😭
I think this is really the issue with the remaining bunch, if Doom-Shroom felt like a nothing edition then I’m worried that the remaining bunch would be pointless too
@@SylviaYSIi think flower pot would be like fusion plants in pvz heroes, when they get placed on the flower pot, the get buffed
For example, sun producing plants could produce 25% more sun
Attacking plants could attack 75% faster
Defencive plants could have double the hp
And utility plants (magnet shroom for example) could do their effect 50% faster
you missed Cattail and Gloom-shroom
@@SylviaYSI Mega Plants
imagine what doomshrooms plant food is gonna be, if he already wipes out most of the map at its 3rd growth stage~
REAL
one shot plants don't have plant foods
@@JoeMama17779he is not going to be a one shot plant...
@@JoeMama17779 *instant single-use plant
Also doom shroom will be just another growing explosive plant
So uhh yeahhhhh
Every single Doom Shroom in the lawn will immediately go into the 3rd stage and explode and then gets cloned to the 1st stage when plantfooded...
Honestly I think umbrella leaf COULD be a decent addition if it goes in the direction like blover and counter launched attacks like the octopus throws and vase throws from zcorpion
could even act as a repellent for swinging/falling zombie ambushes, lost piolets, swash buckler bot swarms even to some extent kicked super fan imps and zombies kicked by breakdancers.. as a permanent defense component this in addition to possibly serving a role of protecting from zombie projectiles (reflected or otherwise).
its one of those things where there's enough instances of zombies jumping into the fray from above that even just pushing them back for trying has an important use case. i might also just be a sucker for plants that work of adjacency mechanics.
a simple effect of "Knocks back zombies and zombie attacks that attempt to land nearby" is honestlysomething that definately a minimum has a place in the game. even if blover really does the job better, but thats blovers sins. (seriously i wish we could just yeet blover in favor of hurrikale for the purpose of that kind of anti air plan.)
@@silverventhil8462it could have decent health too while being a defensive plant since in pvz1 it has the regular 300hp
We are 100% getting the rest of the roster, some will be decent for certain features such as umbrella leaf blocking thrown imps (even tho blover does that), gold magnet collects sun, plantern heals maybe? (Fog will probs be added to penny's pursuit), flower pot will probs allow u to plant on mold and craters, and cattail and cob cannon are just gonna be mad op
Can’t wait for Gold Magnet, Plantern and Flower Pot to be added to the game!
Bro actually I think they can add gold magnet for the coins and a new fog slash roof level for flower pot, umbrella leaf and plantern
World not level I meant
what pvz2 really needs is plantern
🙏🙏🙏
I was waiting for the doom shroom in pvz2 for about 4 years. Im just happy that it's happend
Bring back plantern🗣️🔥🔥
Honestly this would be based, we need it
If they make it shoot light from its head & burn zombies kinda like ultomato then I’m down
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I honestly think with the creative direction, PopCap would be better off adding scrapped PvZ3 plants or even better, the plants from PvZ Adventures to PvZ2 than re-adding plants from PvZ1 to PvZ2
Wait until you hear about how the work on PvZ2 is actually outsourced from some small team of workers in India
If we got Beet and Pop Corn back, ooooo the world better watch out
@@SylviaYSI That would've been perfect.
I still need Bamboo Shoot (note: Bamboo Shoot, not Bamboo Shoots) back in the tower defence series though. It is so perfect.
if they added Chilly Pepper, why not Beeshooter?
Doom shroom does kinda fit all of PvZ 2’s busted plants tho
The fact that he didn't heart your comment is telling enough
@@Facepalm-Guy?
Bud my baby brother doesn’t even throw tantrums this bad 💀
I love these plants being added
If they do add umbrella leaf, I feel like it would be a wall plant that can knock back zombies...
Chard guard, i'm thinking of chared guard.
Maybe add in the benefit that it can be just one shot flying zombies
Like they keep adding returning plants we don't care about but they haven't added cattail which would fit right in as an upgrade to homing thistle that pierces or something because cattail seems so easy to put in pvz2 as a homing thistle upgrade, hell as a plant counterpart to the heath seeker
I will say at least doom shroom is a manual explosive which is really cool and at the very least it works differently from its pvz1 counterpart, but other than that it does kind of the same thing, at different growth it does different damages and has different explosion ranges depending on how much it has grown which is at least something unique.
I think that if they do add planters they could make it a support plant that strengthens plants around it or heals them maybe they can also give it sun beans feature as a bonus
I predict CatTail is coming back next... with Popcap trying to implement all the water related stuff and releasing 4 amphibious plants in a row at one point its only a matter of time before CatTail makes its return (and im here for it tbh i love CatTail)
I know this was just four months ago, but they had two new plants and not plants from plants for zombies one. Which hopefully this will make you happy.
Pvz2: adds umbrella leaf
???? Bungee zombies?
(What world?!)
I swear to god i bet they're gonna add gloom shroom next
the real reason why they have to add these pvz1 plants with different styles and abilities because their abilities wer stolen by new plants like for example:
1.) Scaredy Shroom: almostly due to the function of nightcap hiding, therefore he has same ability like last pvz1 but more powerful due to his pf: imitating his versions in a 3 by 3 area knockbacking zombies
2.) Ice Shroom: Ice Bloom stole his pf ability :the explosion which causes zombies to freeze, therefore he was upgraded to become an instant melee plant who cannot be losed unless the zombie eats it, headbutting by piercing the zombies with its sharp icicles like a blade.
3.) Doom Shroom: Boom Balloon pf exists according to other fans, therefore he was judged here in pvz2 due to his new look the smaller version, but as of now he has an info involving the reason why he was small because right now the size was cropped which makes him a 3 stage plant, and will only be counted as losing a plant by explosion if a zombie tries to eat it just like what happened to the unfinished version of his ability
You mean Shadow Peashooter stole Scaredy Shroom's hiding ability.
While I don't support the fact that popcap keeps bringing back PvZ plants to PvZ2 just for the fanservice, I think this version of Doom-shroom can be interesting.
Its a very expensive plant that needs a long time to reach its final form (with a 5x5 high damage explosion) and explodes when touched by a zombie. Its a 400 sun plant you have to spend and defend for a long while if you want its full effect (Otherwise, if a zombie touches it early, it would explode early, making a 1x1 small damage explosion or a 3x3 mid damage explosion).
If PopCap doesn't mess up the balance this could be great plant.
Theres actually still a lot of zombies that cant be countered by a specific plant if you dont count instant kills so lets just hope they make the returning plant good like gatling and ice shroom
unless if it gets entirely reworked like ice shroom, i think doom shroom would unironically work in pvz 2, simply because it's basically just a better cherry bomb
Imagine they add coffee bean
Lol and it will work differently
It would boost the speed of plants
that secret room background in the thumbnail honestly is a perfect thing.
...i guess you liked pizza tower?
idk, just came to your channel.
I’m a big fan of the game, yea :)
To be honest there only adding a bunch of mushrooms so were likey getting gloom also to be honest i think doomshroom fits in pvz2 decently well do to how strong he is unlike scardy or sea shroom
The new plants are blaze leaf, and frost bonnet. To me I really hate blaze leaf because first it’s attacks are really bad the plant food but I am so happy they added frost bonnet because after seeing a little tutorial of how he works it’s like mangofier how you can switch between different modes plus the plant food is sick
Honestly, I'm glad they're bringing back the old plants from PvZ1 into PvZ2 even if their gimmicks get changed a bit, that's actually good, otherwise it would look like a copy of a new plant introduced in PvZ2 and that wouldn't be good for the returning plant. Plus despite their return I'm very happy to see more and more brand new plants being discovered in the code as well. So let them bring back all the old plants from Pvz1 into PvZ2 and give them new gimmicks! Shows that they care about listening to the fans and bringing in new plants too! Shit, I'm just happy we're STILL getting new plants, old or not in PvZ2 and not waiting an eternity for PvZ3 to finally be good.
Honestly I completely get this, and tbh I’m happy they’re making new plants too. My issue is that every time they do this, it makes me feel like we’re getting closer and closer to the final plant dropping, because they feel very simple with the main change being the gimmicks and not the faces
Doomshroom works the way I thought Bombogranite would
If you are wondering most besides umbrella leaf and a few others are in PvZ universe as a mod
never thought they would make doom shroom so phallic and give it the greenlight
Can't wait for the levelled up gold magnet gameplay
I would genuinely be hella down for this if they actually took the time to make them cool and redesign them properly instead of just using them as nostalgia bait…
Exactly, but apparently this is too much work for popcap...
(+ now I gotta accept the fact that scaredy shroom looks like piss)
haha i love it when you swear :P
We now know what doom shrimp does and it’s not that bad. The only bad thing is that if placed on one of the bottom two lanes the explosion is cut off at the top and also the zombies die way too late compared to the explosion.
2:07 not the piñata party that made me get scared cause mom shouted at me to come down and that scared me and it was all cause of the chickens
if every pvz 1 plant was added since the beginning of pvz 2 i think no one would complain about them
I would only be annoyed if they served no point in the game, like objectively speaking Umbrella Leaf and Gold Magnet would still be useless even if they were added in since 2013
Umbrella leaf is gonna get like 3 interactions that work and 15 that don’t for no reason
It happened to Tall-Nut, it happened to Magnet-Shroom, I don't know why people think it would not happen to Umbrella Leaf
@@LauBauBer I think Tallnut blocks most threats you would expect, Magnet definitely doesn’t though lol
Watch them add Bungee Zombies that only appear in event levels and never make a reappearance ever again
Am I the only one who thinks PVZ2 has too many plants in general?
One of the greatest things in PVZ1 was the fact that almost every plant had a unique gimmick.
I feel like all plants should move from one game up to another, nomater what they do, and Popcap can just change what they do if the game needs it, or just add some zombies to use them. It will make it so you can find a plant you like in a game with less plants, go to the next game then you only have a few new plants that can be better than your old favorate plant. It also just makes it feel like the games arn't in there own seprete universe.
The problem isn't that they are being added to the game; the problem is that they haven't been added to the game earlier. (They wouldn't have to change Ice Shroom if it came out before Ice Bloom existed; Scaredy Shroom would be perfect for the Dark Ages, and there is literally no reason for Sea Shroom to not be in Big Wave Beach.) Also, pumpkin being added into the game is valid.
Real ones are waiting for Coffee Bean
i like that they added doom shroom, but if they execute it poorly, dont add it. we dont need the animation or art of the new doomshroom to be ruined imo
I'm still not really seeing the problem outside of some level gimmick plants like Umbrella Leaf & Flower Pot. It's just adding Plants that realistically should have been here to begin w/ & it's expanding the roster & I don't really see the issue unless as long as the plant isn't too gimmick-reliant like Coffee Bean & Plantern.
Actually, hear me out, maybe Umbrella Leaf could work.
Even though Bungee Zombies aren’t in PvZ2, there could still be use for Umbrella Leaf in other ways. Like maybe it could be used to bounce away lost pilot zombies, octopi, catapult zombie projectiles like in the first game, and maybe it could finally deflect Imps too. Basically any lobbed or fallen projectiles/zombies. It could work.
I would love if Gold Magnet automatically collects sun and plant food for you, not just collecting coins and diamonds
It just feels a little pointless though, because all you need to do is click? I mean idk, maybe it’s just me there that thinks that’s a little goofy 😭
Umbrella Leaf could have worked in PvZ2. The problem is PopCap missed the perfect opportunity to add it. Umbrella Leaf would have been perfect in Lost City, serving as a counter to Lost Pilot Zombie. It could bounce them away like Bungee Zombie in the first game. It could have also served as a counter to Octopus Zombie by bouncing away the Octopi it throws.
sea shrooms really good in arena ngl
also im hoping they add umbrella leaf but give her a completeley diffrent mechanic like ice shroom same for gold magnet
Doom shroom looks like a goomba from SMB
On one hand doom shroom could fit rather well in the context of how fast paced this game is. On the other hand doom shroom is basically already in the game so unless they are gonna give it a new function I don’t see the point and if they do give it the ice shroom treatment like you said JUST MAKE IT A NEW PLANT.
They did my boy ice-shroom and gatling pea dirty...
i can see ice shroom but how did they do gatling pea dirty? it got hella buffs from pvz 1 and is now one of the best plants in the game along with pea vine and torchwood
@@vijaytamishra453is so broken making the game so easy with no difficulty.
tbh if scaredy-shoom had a faster atk rate when zombis got close, he might be good.
i see your point, and to a large degree i agree, however
i wanna see cob cannon again
Mega Cob Cannon
Chinese PVZ2 would make it a little difficult to include, how they’d go about that is beyond me
@@SylviaYSI Mega Cob Cannon
@@SylviaYSI in a way, but, they did add Mega Gatling after pvz2c had "regular" gatling for a while so i dont see cob cannon as being completely out of the question
doom shroom would've actually been useful if it was added since the beginning and before the seed packet unlocking method. but now doom shroom wouldnt be able to compete but would still be S tier plant
THIS. I wouldn’t really be annoyed by this if it wasn’t at the stage in the game where he literally has no reason to be here 😭
btw sea-shroom is now gonna cost real life cast (if anyone notice)
so it's practically useless AND a waste of money, how incredible. Guess we can just buy it instead of grinding seed packets though so I would say its an improvement. At least we wouldn't have to spend an eternity grinding for a literal sea shroom
@@bekfstman9841 yea but it only cost 1 euro but yea its useless by it own
I would think Ice Shroom was completely changed because Ice Bloom exists and kinda.. is what Ice Shroom was? As far as I remember at least.
NO YOU ARE NOT CRAZY i also questioned the fact that for the balloon plants plant food it spawns a doomshroom. i'm pretty sure it's for more variety or the doom shroom is going to be different. but in pvz1 it killed every zombie on the lawn so im pretty sure balancing/changing it like you said is going to be hard especially not knowing how its gonna affect other bombard class plants and the ballon plants plant food.
They should’ve brought back all of the PVZ 1 plants for free in a variety of ways, like with Torchwood’s introductory weekly thing, or through gems, or through EASILY acquirable seeds, or by updating the worlds (I miss you, free Snow Pea, Cattail, and O.G. Grave Buster design).
Yeah Sylvia, you were right.....
I feel like theyd be good in certain aspects of the core game, like when old plants are in the worlds, but I dont see the point of making a previously adventure plant paid for, especially when its thing is in another new plant already, like iceberg lettuce and ice shroom
They kinda had to change the ice shroom because of the iceberg lettuce’s plant food effect
U forgot ice bloom
tbf umbrella leaf would have been so cool to be a lost city plant (counters pilot and relic) and maybe they can also make it a wall plant but eh ig missed opportunity
If they wanted to add umbrella leaf, they should have done it in big wave Beach. It could have counter both octo and fisherman zombie
They’d have needed to turn the leaves or something, but honestly yeah it’d have fit the beach vibe well. Considering how PopCap has shown that they’re not afraid to add new plants for that world… could happen.
Umbrella leaf should get added 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Real!!
@@lianneroban9906 and zcorpion too
Honestly if they find a use for it that isn’t just “blocks bungees” I’ll be impressed
@@SylviaYSI don't forget zcorpion
Agree
Even thou he’s a fellow, doom shroom in pvz2, I don’t think he belongs in the doom shroom family,
They would probably retrain Umbrella Leaf into a better Garlic on top of the original design.
Just pinball bump zombies into different lanes lol.
At least peashooter is fit for every game!
My prediction
Plantern: will be an attacking plant killing zombies with their light
Damage: 200 family: contain mint
Recharge: 10 seconds
Sun cost: 25
Pf: blinds all zombies for 15 seconds stunning them
Flower pot: will be an attacking wall plant like endurian but stronger
Damage:90 family spear mint
Recharge: 15
Sun cost: 100
Pf: explodes on the spot in a 3x3 spot
Gold magnetic: will shoot coins and has a 15% chance to shoot diamonds
Whats wrong with umbrella leaf do you want the parachutes to eat your plants
With plant levels the parachute zombies are just gonna die in like a second
Why are ya'll so angry about a game being updated?
Like literally by that time that you have unlocked this plant, you would already have finished that adventure mode, y'all are just complaining for the sake of it
nah the nuke that makes more nukes after exploading untill they fill the whole lawn is very balanced and should be in the game smh
Perfectly balanced
The funny plantern will be the most OP plant in the pvz 2 when it’s added!!!
I think it would be extremely funny if they did add umbrella leaf, and it just did absolutely nothing
Oh wait no that's just sea shroom
@@Helpi256sea shroom does something
Doom shroom in PvZ 1 :🗿
I rather have it if you use doom shroom, it nukes all your plants and zombies but hails zombies from attacking for 30 seconds to build up your defense again
bro they’re gonna add coffee bean i swear
unless they redesign him, there's no way considering it's in the Chinese version
Money. For money.
They gotta recoup the costs on PVZ3 somehow, after all
I'm suprised you didn't expect them to.
Another reason why they make new is *microtransactions*
How long do you think itll be until they nostolgia pander PvZ2 plants into PvZ3? Like "guys remember spring bean? Bowling bulb? You loved them!!!"
Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they bring back blizzards for hot potato lol
@@SylviaYSI they should port Icewind Cheif to pv3 and make absolutely 0 changes to his function and design, that way we can remember Hot Potato
Better plants for this is snapdragon which would fit perfectly. Or laser bean
I don't mind them adding old plants even if it's just for almanac fodder. At worst, the plants are lazy nostalgia bait, outclassed & bloated, and don't fit within the 2x sun meta, so they can be ignored in every day play. Despite this, there can always be enjoyment in trying them out for an extra challenge or just changing up a monotonous composition.
Of course I still see this as desperate pandering, but I view the plant roster as very expansive, effectively complete, new plants don't have a major effect on me, so them being returning plants doesn't matter. Likewise, if they stopped releasing plants it wouldn't matter much.
People who want more creative plants or have already spent years acquiring most of them are obviously affected more when an update passes, but for most players, the adventures & gemiums are the most accessible, the only effect they have when a new seedium releases is seeing it covered on TH-cam.
On the more developmental side of things, it is bad news when creative ideas are in a drought, I hope they don't break previous features in order to sell us in on their new features, the worst case in that scenario is version regression like players who are against the unbalanced leveling system.
I agree that the PVZ1 plants are inferior to pretty much everything else, but realistically it doesn't have any effect to the average player :)
I completely agree with this, generally people are unbothered by Doom and other PVZ1 plants coming back. My real main issue is that creativity part, I like seeing PopCap come up with new ideas and when they’re not even able to make a new design… it concerns me a little? I guess with a game that has nearly 200 plants, it doesn’t matter anymore, but still, just worries me a bit
At the very least, theres only so many faces they can bring back before popcap needs to try again. *actually, with these new plant graphics i doubt they're even trying*
All the artists are outsourced I believe