A couple of points I’d like to address: Your video was sent to me by one of my subscribers. You can criticize kettlebells all you want; it doesn’t affect my business in the slightest. My reaction to your video was an opportunity to genuinely engage with your arguments - which were weak and baseless - and to contribute another piece to the content mill. The idea that your opinion could harm anyone’s business reveals an inflated sense of self-importance. This repeated display of arrogance seems to be a pattern of your character. Your failure to watch my full video, yet acknowledging the fact that some of my points „might have been valid“, while continuing to push your “bubble-wrap” theory of kettlebells being dangerous, is beyond me. People have suffered injuries or even died performing slow, controlled movements under a barbell, but that doesn’t make the barbell inherently dangerous. You often cite “physics” to support your stance, presenting yourself as if you were an authority on the subject. Fast movements aren’t inherently dangerous. If they were, sprinters and Olympic lifters would face catastrophic injury rates. The key lies in gradually building general physical preparedness (GPP) and conditioning the body to handle various movements. Adaptation takes time and effort and doesn’t equate to danger. Incidentally, one of my clients is a physics professor who enjoys kettlebells and has achieved excellent results. We’ve discussed ballistics, and the principle is straightforward: Yes, kinetic energy increases with speed, but it’s entirely manageable with proper training. We’re not made of glass. Your focus on “intensity tactics” as if muscle-building is the only worthwhile goal, shows a limited perspective. However, if bodybuilding and blowing up your muscles is your aim, then by all means, train like Dorian Yates in his prime. Many people though seek more than just muscle-they want comprehensive GPP. And in that regard, the kettlebell remains unmatched as the King of GPP. Finally, I’ve already addressed and dissected many of your weak arguments in my video - such as your confusion between efficiency and insufficiency - and I see no need to reiterate them here. It could have been an engaging exchange had you taken the time to watch my video and then chose to respond to my points thoughtfully. That’s precisely why my video was 30 minutes long. I took the time to listen to your arguments, carefully analyze them, and share my conclusions. My responses are grounded in expertise and a thorough understanding of the subject, not from a need to defend my business. Instead, your response video demonstrated intellectual laziness, regurgitating the same tired claims without contributing anything of substance to the discussion.
I’m praying for you brother. After reading this I know that nothing I or anyone else has to say can change your opinion. I’ll get better at stating my arguments so hopefully we can have a constructive conversation about these subjects. Until then, I wish you the best.
Bro I'm not trying to be mean but I don't think this is the field for you, your incorrect about nearly everything just some honest critiscm , I really think your goal is to blow up on TH-cam and fitness just happens to be the outlet u chose to try and captilize on
Lol he said the same thing and something must be getting lost in translation. I literally just read a study yesterday talking about efficiency of movement and it is exactly what I’m talking about - but hey I’m just a loser with no followers right? Thanks for the feedback
I like Lebe Stark videos. I like other "hard style kettlebell" authors. I like Ido Portal stuff (whole "movement" thing). To me, kettlebell is just a tool. And I've been training for girevoy sport in the past. If that tool resonates with you, more power to you. I like kettlebells, I like training with kettlebells. Also, I've injured myself doing kettlebell sport training, I've injured myself while bouldering, I've injured myself running, deadlifting, bench pressing, training with sandbag, you name it. Everytime I've injured myself was because of improper preparation - doing too much too soon (for me). Anyway, just keep creating content, it's always refreshing to hear other peoples opinions. As a side note, when I was going to gym, I was the only one to touch kettlebells there. Now in my bouldering gym, there are maybe four people (myself included) who trains with kettlebells. So, based on my personal experience, nobody really trains with them...
Thanks for this! This is exactly what I've been trying to say. If you enjoy using a tool and it keeps you motivated and continuing to train hard -- awesome!! But, if just because you prefer kettlebell training and you don't acknowledge the risk associated with specific movements and then tell me that they're safer than other alternatives, I will push back. Being a trainer I am obligated to minimize risk, and people pay me to get results quickly, so when I come across methods that accomplish these things I like to share them on my channel. That's funny because I was training clients at a gym this morning and two people were training with kettlebells (almost no one uses them at this facility).
So there is an interesting phenomenon where one is incapable of learning new things when they believe they already know the answer. After watching a few of your videos it's pretty clear you are both confident and wrong. The Lebe Stark video was 30 minutes long because the guy was trying to share knowledge and really explain his position. I admire your confidence but you're on the wrong end of the Dunning Kruger curve my friend.
The ideas I’m talking about aren’t even controversial, it’s simple laws of physics and basic principles of physiology. This only motivates me to make more videos because of how far away from these things the fitness has gone. Maybe it’s clear in my head but my communication is lacking, but because I have been open to learning new ideas is precisely how I’ve made my way to these things I’m speaking on. Maybe I’ll find more layers to these things and I’m always trying to learn more, but like I said, I don’t feel these are difficult concepts to grasp or controversial at all.
KBs, sandbags, push-ups, jumping rope, barbells, dumbbells, calisthenics, sprinting, swimming and long distance running are just part of being a well rounded and capable individual when it comes to fitness and martial arts. Kettlebells are quite literally incorporated into routines for admission to train with, some the most elite services on planet earth. You are just incredibly wrong and that's ok to be, I don't really care but since you've made your opinion on the matter so public, Imma tell you. You are dangerously off base here and to be total forthright you're doing a tremendous disservice to your clients with this advice. There are oodles of videos on TH-cam that are utterly demonstrative of the striking power plyometric bell training imbues. Further, your statements on mastery are bizarre. There is no mastery, that is the attitude of a master of course. It is about perpetually improving ones self through technique and form, it becomes a kind of meditation in motion. It's difficult to be composed in the face of such foolishness and arrogance, but I forgive you.
This is how far off base the fitness industry is. I know because I’ve been guilty of doing it too. Being a capable individual has nothing to do with those things unless of you want to do those things. If you want to swim you need to swim. If you want to run you need to run. Swimming doesn’t help running. Running doesn’t help swimming. This is basic motor learning but our industry has lost its sense in order to sell more programs and products. If I have to use all those things to be fit, then I guess I’m not fit. I’ll make more videos on the subject but I wish you the best no matter how you choose to train because unlike you I believe you can get fit doing anything, but you don’t have to do EVERYthing.
If you believe you can fit by doing anything, why can’t you get fit with kettlebells? Dude, it is OK to not be the fittest person in the world. Heck, you can still be a fitness authority and not be the fittest person in the world but that means being actually functionally knowledgeable. You can say you don’t like Kettlebells, that is fine but saying they aren’t going to get you ripped and functional through dedication is just ridiculous on its face. It’s not come conspiracy lmao, they are a brutal hard workout and if you can get to the point where you need to worry about the Speed of your kettlebell workout that would probably mean that it’s time to radically increase your weight with the thing(s). Which is of course going to re-stress everything. By next year, I should be at my goal of a 140lbs kb clean and press and that’s as far as I can push it anatomically and still maintain enough speed for my boxing and such. I just started being able to do 100lbs regularly, 50lbs on each arm. I know it’s going to take a while to get to level to handle those other 40lbs safely. That is ok. That is normal! If I do it sooner, great but my goal is within the year. I was an AAU Olympic athlete at 14, I just may know what I’m talking about. Yet I must take it further. Saying being a good swimmer and being a decent runner are not related is also a weird thing as those are among the foundational physiological miracles of our species for literally forever and also have been found to be intimately linked by medical science since the 1800s. As I said earlier, it’s hard to not be rude in the face of your concerted ignorance and profoundly arrogant attitude.
You obviously didn’t watch the video then because I say you can get fit using kettlebells…you can get fit doing anything as long as you work hard. But high speeds mean more risk. Simple physics and that’s never going to change. If you enjoy them and use them and get results - great!
@@FitPhilosopher Have you ever considered that maybe its you, that doesn't do something right? I'm responding to your attitude, not the deflection you gave regarding your deeply flawed opinion on this technology. They work. If they don't work for you, you probably are the issue. I really just don't think you understand how to use them, which would make your critique very silly. Which is how many see it. Take care.
I really don’t see how you get that from this video but I will say it one more time just in case it sticks - THEY WORK! Kettlebells are just not as effective as other things for building muscle strength and size, and they also come with more risk because of the high speed of movement.
Bro I'm not trying to be mean but I don't think this is the field for you, your incorrect about nearly everything just some honest critiscm , I really think your goal is to blow up on TH-cam and fitness just happens to be the outlet u chose to try and captilize on, u can reply with ur usual nonsense sure but i wont see ot i wont be back to this channel take it easy
I talk about everything on this channel not just fitness. Just trying to help people by giving my perspective but I guess I’m wrong and you’re right…oh well!
You keep puting too much unnecessary emphasis on risk. There is no good or bad movement, there is movement you are prepared for and for which you are not prepared for. You have some comfort zone in terms of your work capacity and the more you reach the boundaries of this zone the risk gets higher but that applies to everything...walking, jumping, squating, pulling, pushing. You do not really have to approach the edges of the comfort and safe zone in order to progress. You should watch Mark Wildman why KBs make perfect sense for most...unlike you makes very clear and well reasoned points.
Not unnecessary but to each their own I guess. I’d rather get strong in the gym instead of predispose myself to injury. Even if you don’t get injured with a kettlebell or barbell (one rep maxing is even more risky than kettlebells or other dynamic movements), the wear and tear on the joints will accumulate. Well to be fair you don’t make sense either so I guess we’re kindred spirits! ❤
A couple of points I’d like to address:
Your video was sent to me by one of my subscribers. You can criticize kettlebells all you want; it doesn’t affect my business in the slightest. My reaction to your video was an opportunity to genuinely engage with your arguments - which were weak and baseless - and to contribute another piece to the content mill. The idea that your opinion could harm anyone’s business reveals an inflated sense of self-importance. This repeated display of arrogance seems to be a pattern of your character.
Your failure to watch my full video, yet acknowledging the fact that some of my points „might have been valid“, while continuing to push your “bubble-wrap” theory of kettlebells being dangerous, is beyond me. People have suffered injuries or even died performing slow, controlled movements under a barbell, but that doesn’t make the barbell inherently dangerous.
You often cite “physics” to support your stance, presenting yourself as if you were an authority on the subject. Fast movements aren’t inherently dangerous. If they were, sprinters and Olympic lifters would face catastrophic injury rates. The key lies in gradually building general physical preparedness (GPP) and conditioning the body to handle various movements. Adaptation takes time and effort and doesn’t equate to danger. Incidentally, one of my clients is a physics professor who enjoys kettlebells and has achieved excellent results. We’ve discussed ballistics, and the principle is straightforward: Yes, kinetic energy increases with speed, but it’s entirely manageable with proper training. We’re not made of glass.
Your focus on “intensity tactics” as if muscle-building is the only worthwhile goal, shows a limited perspective. However, if bodybuilding and blowing up your muscles is your aim, then by all means, train like Dorian Yates in his prime. Many people though seek more than just muscle-they want comprehensive GPP. And in that regard, the kettlebell remains unmatched as the King of GPP.
Finally, I’ve already addressed and dissected many of your weak arguments in my video - such as your confusion between efficiency and insufficiency - and I see no need to reiterate them here. It could have been an engaging exchange had you taken the time to watch my video and then chose to respond to my points thoughtfully. That’s precisely why my video was 30 minutes long. I took the time to listen to your arguments, carefully analyze them, and share my conclusions. My responses are grounded in expertise and a thorough understanding of the subject, not from a need to defend my business. Instead, your response video demonstrated intellectual laziness, regurgitating the same tired claims without contributing anything of substance to the discussion.
I’m praying for you brother. After reading this I know that nothing I or anyone else has to say can change your opinion. I’ll get better at stating my arguments so hopefully we can have a constructive conversation about these subjects. Until then, I wish you the best.
Bro I'm not trying to be mean but I don't think this is the field for you, your incorrect about nearly everything just some honest critiscm , I really think your goal is to blow up on TH-cam and fitness just happens to be the outlet u chose to try and captilize on
I really don't think you understand what efficiency or skills means when it comes to fitness and/or strength. Very odd perspective.
Lol he said the same thing and something must be getting lost in translation. I literally just read a study yesterday talking about efficiency of movement and it is exactly what I’m talking about - but hey I’m just a loser with no followers right? Thanks for the feedback
I like Lebe Stark videos. I like other "hard style kettlebell" authors. I like Ido Portal stuff (whole "movement" thing). To me, kettlebell is just a tool. And I've been training for girevoy sport in the past. If that tool resonates with you, more power to you. I like kettlebells, I like training with kettlebells. Also, I've injured myself doing kettlebell sport training, I've injured myself while bouldering, I've injured myself running, deadlifting, bench pressing, training with sandbag, you name it. Everytime I've injured myself was because of improper preparation - doing too much too soon (for me). Anyway, just keep creating content, it's always refreshing to hear other peoples opinions. As a side note, when I was going to gym, I was the only one to touch kettlebells there. Now in my bouldering gym, there are maybe four people (myself included) who trains with kettlebells. So, based on my personal experience, nobody really trains with them...
Thanks for this! This is exactly what I've been trying to say. If you enjoy using a tool and it keeps you motivated and continuing to train hard -- awesome!! But, if just because you prefer kettlebell training and you don't acknowledge the risk associated with specific movements and then tell me that they're safer than other alternatives, I will push back. Being a trainer I am obligated to minimize risk, and people pay me to get results quickly, so when I come across methods that accomplish these things I like to share them on my channel. That's funny because I was training clients at a gym this morning and two people were training with kettlebells (almost no one uses them at this facility).
So there is an interesting phenomenon where one is incapable of learning new things when they believe they already know the answer.
After watching a few of your videos it's pretty clear you are both confident and wrong. The Lebe Stark video was 30 minutes long because the guy was trying to share knowledge and really explain his position. I admire your confidence but you're on the wrong end of the Dunning Kruger curve my friend.
The ideas I’m talking about aren’t even controversial, it’s simple laws of physics and basic principles of physiology. This only motivates me to make more videos because of how far away from these things the fitness has gone. Maybe it’s clear in my head but my communication is lacking, but because I have been open to learning new ideas is precisely how I’ve made my way to these things I’m speaking on. Maybe I’ll find more layers to these things and I’m always trying to learn more, but like I said, I don’t feel these are difficult concepts to grasp or controversial at all.
KBs, sandbags, push-ups, jumping rope, barbells, dumbbells, calisthenics, sprinting, swimming and long distance running are just part of being a well rounded and capable individual when it comes to fitness and martial arts. Kettlebells are quite literally incorporated into routines for admission to train with, some the most elite services on planet earth. You are just incredibly wrong and that's ok to be, I don't really care but since you've made your opinion on the matter so public, Imma tell you. You are dangerously off base here and to be total forthright you're doing a tremendous disservice to your clients with this advice. There are oodles of videos on TH-cam that are utterly demonstrative of the striking power plyometric bell training imbues.
Further, your statements on mastery are bizarre. There is no mastery, that is the attitude of a master of course. It is about perpetually improving ones self through technique and form, it becomes a kind of meditation in motion. It's difficult to be composed in the face of such foolishness and arrogance, but I forgive you.
This is how far off base the fitness industry is. I know because I’ve been guilty of doing it too. Being a capable individual has nothing to do with those things unless of you want to do those things. If you want to swim you need to swim. If you want to run you need to run. Swimming doesn’t help running. Running doesn’t help swimming. This is basic motor learning but our industry has lost its sense in order to sell more programs and products. If I have to use all those things to be fit, then I guess I’m not fit. I’ll make more videos on the subject but I wish you the best no matter how you choose to train because unlike you I believe you can get fit doing anything, but you don’t have to do EVERYthing.
If you believe you can fit by doing anything, why can’t you get fit with kettlebells? Dude, it is OK to not be the fittest person in the world. Heck, you can still be a fitness authority and not be the fittest person in the world but that means being actually functionally knowledgeable.
You can say you don’t like Kettlebells, that is fine but saying they aren’t going to get you ripped and functional through dedication is just ridiculous on its face.
It’s not come conspiracy lmao, they are a brutal hard workout and if you can get to the point where you need to worry about the Speed of your kettlebell workout that would probably mean that it’s time to radically increase your weight with the thing(s). Which is of course going to re-stress everything.
By next year, I should be at my goal of a 140lbs kb clean and press and that’s as far as I can push it anatomically and still maintain enough speed for my boxing and such. I just started being able to do 100lbs regularly, 50lbs on each arm. I know it’s going to take a while to get to level to handle those other 40lbs safely. That is ok. That is normal! If I do it sooner, great but my goal is within the year. I was an AAU Olympic athlete at 14, I just may know what I’m talking about.
Yet I must take it further.
Saying being a good swimmer and being a decent runner are not related is also a weird thing as those are among the foundational physiological miracles of our species for literally forever and also have been found to be intimately linked by medical science since the 1800s. As I said earlier, it’s hard to not be rude in the face of your concerted ignorance and profoundly arrogant attitude.
You obviously didn’t watch the video then because I say you can get fit using kettlebells…you can get fit doing anything as long as you work hard. But high speeds mean more risk. Simple physics and that’s never going to change. If you enjoy them and use them and get results - great!
@@FitPhilosopher Have you ever considered that maybe its you, that doesn't do something right? I'm responding to your attitude, not the deflection you gave regarding your deeply flawed opinion on this technology. They work. If they don't work for you, you probably are the issue. I really just don't think you understand how to use them, which would make your critique very silly. Which is how many see it. Take care.
I really don’t see how you get that from this video but I will say it one more time just in case it sticks - THEY WORK! Kettlebells are just not as effective as other things for building muscle strength and size, and they also come with more risk because of the high speed of movement.
Bro I'm not trying to be mean but I don't think this is the field for you, your incorrect about nearly everything just some honest critiscm , I really think your goal is to blow up on TH-cam and fitness just happens to be the outlet u chose to try and captilize on, u can reply with ur usual nonsense sure but i wont see ot i wont be back to this channel take it easy
I talk about everything on this channel not just fitness. Just trying to help people by giving my perspective but I guess I’m wrong and you’re right…oh well!
You are very overexcited, talk too much, too loud, too chaotic. Write some script and rehearse it first. And calm down.
I agree with all those things! I’ll be working on it
You keep puting too much unnecessary emphasis on risk. There is no good or bad movement, there is movement you are prepared for and for which you are not prepared for. You have some comfort zone in terms of your work capacity and the more you reach the boundaries of this zone the risk gets higher but that applies to everything...walking, jumping, squating, pulling, pushing. You do not really have to approach the edges of the comfort and safe zone in order to progress.
You should watch Mark Wildman why KBs make perfect sense for most...unlike you makes very clear and well reasoned points.
Not unnecessary but to each their own I guess. I’d rather get strong in the gym instead of predispose myself to injury. Even if you don’t get injured with a kettlebell or barbell (one rep maxing is even more risky than kettlebells or other dynamic movements), the wear and tear on the joints will accumulate. Well to be fair you don’t make sense either so I guess we’re kindred spirits! ❤
I’m glad you didn’t watch the whole video, I will never be able to get back the 30 minutes I wasted watching his video😭
To be honest I’m surprised he made it through my entire video! Gotta give him props on that because damn am I hard to listen to 😂