STUDY: Was the Champions League always superior to the UEFA Cup ?
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We as Football fans have several different convictions with regards to the sport we love. One of these convictions is that the Champions League (European Cup) is far superior to the Europa League (UEFA Cup). Either we believe in that because of the structure of these two distinct competitions and how teams qualify to them, or because of its historic value and name.
There are actually no arguments about this topic today, everybody seems to agree that the Champions League is superior to the Europa league. But is it really superior throughout every stage in history ? Are some winners of this competition not getting the recognition they deserve ?
In this special episode, I dig deep within that conviction and attempt to prove this theory by asking a simple question: Is the Champions league superior to the Europa League in all stages of history ? And while making this study, I stumbled upon other questions that needed answers like: What are the strongest European competitions in history by season ? and the weakest ? And what is the most difficult triumph in history? and does the name of the competition make a difference in that question ?
These are the questions that I attempt to answer in this episode that will be full of data analysis and results. Hope you enjoy the episode.
Written, Researched, Directed, and Voiced by:
Fahad Al-Thekair
Instagram: / balonmedia
Twitter: / balonenglish
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:03 UEFA History
4:35 UCR Study
8:08 UCR Results
11:21 The LPR Formula
15:50 Top 5 Strongest CL
20:05 Top 5 Weakest CL
25:00 The ODR Formula
28:47 ODR Results
38:30 Outro - กีฬา
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the amount of hardwork u've put in this is admirable and breathtaking. The research is brilliant, and is not short of any high level study. Fantastic and intriguing video
Brilliant video, who is the weakest champion in Europa league and champions league history and who had the toughest and easiest paths regardless of their lpr?
Aint the euros the biggest European competition
@@akshathooda7124 The way it's presented as well really deserves to be commended. Really beautiful visual design
Can you do a video about what was harder to win - the European Cup (one team per country) or the modern Champions League?
The amount of work you put into this videos always surprise me, but this one is in another level. You created three different systems to rank every single european season, absolutely crazy. Congratulations, and thanks, for this fantastic video. The fact that this channel is free to watch is mind-blowing. Incredible job.
i wonder if he could make a deal with netflix or something.
I wonder if it is just one guy or a team of people. It must have been a very stressful and tedious process to get right.
How do you even edit like this?
That's Soo much effort
@@dj71162 watch the credits at the end
we need a worldcup version of this so badly. Regardless, this video needs to be put in a museum cuz its a masterpiece. only with time will this video get more appreciation
The LPR is hugely flawed, since teams can change drastically within 5 seasons
@@hieutruong7456 so is any other metric, that have 5 seasons as a view point.
BRO I have been thinking about this!!!! 24 teams. teams from 6 UEFA, 5 CONEMBOL, 3 CONCACF, 4 AFC, 5 CAF, and 1 OFC. Of course this depends of who has and hasn’t qualified for the WC. I say called it something lame like the International Cup, as to not over shadow the WC. I think this would help in avoiding expanding the WC to 48 teams while also giving other teams a shot to play in an international tournament
Absolutely insane work, my man! 39 minutes flew by. Keep it up!
Two Goat content creators.
Even as an Arsenal fan I've always said Spurs have been hard done by by the decline of the UEFA Cup, people don't understand quite how impressive that achievement was
Inaugural winners that's got to mean something
What do you mean
@@IthielHeberRodriguez first team to win the uefa cup
@@mxsthxted lmao I mean I know what it means what he said but I don’t understand the achievement that it was back then. Especially after the decline of the eufa cup
@@mxsthxted no one cares but english fans.
Yet another masterclass guaranteed. Hyped to watch this 🥵
For real. Very interested
@@PESkyMaestro underrated channel. Can't believe he has only 25.5k subs, he deserves wayyy more
@@glenb2213 I agree. Let's hope his work continues to be recognized and he grows in numbers
He has an arabic channel with 200 thousand sub
Love this video. It's crazy the amount of effort you put in to research into every single team from every campaign of both competitions since the 70s. Must've took a long time. Such an underrated channel! I will certainly look at the champions league and europa league from a different perspective.
I think your ODR formula is really good but one flaw is that it doesn't take into account the quality of the teams compared to others. I'm a chelsea fan so I expected our 11-12 season to be 2nd or 1st. Even though we finished high in the league in previous seasons, we finished 6th in 11-12 and our players were far inferior to the players of Napoli, holders Barcelona and Bayern so I felt like it was very unlikely that we won it that year. Same with Liverpool in 18-19. Despite them finishing 4th and lower in previous seasons, their squad was far stronger than most teams they faced in that CL season and also got the highest point ever for a PL runner up so most would say that they were one of the favourites.
Nevertheless, brilliant, detailed video from you. Deffo liked it.
Yes agreed on the flaw of the ODR. Relative strength was tricky to account for that's why I used the combination of the Champion's strength along with the competition's strength along with the path.
It's a beginning and there is definitely room for improvement especially after I receive more feedback from the viewers.
Appreciate your feedback 👍🏼
@@balon-english keep up the good work💙💙💙
@@balon-english do one one Real Madrid's latest CL victory.
That has to be one of the toughest path ever.
As someone studying data analysis, I appreciate deeply how you allowed the data speak for itself and put controls for certain biases one could have as a fan.
Brilliant video, especially considering the work, research that must have been put into it.
Hats off man!
If Football Was My Subject Then This Channel Is Definitely My Teacher
I’m sitting here having a coffee in Australia watching yet another amazing upload. The level of detail is second to none.
Well done on yet another fantastic upload
Fahad, man. You have outdone yourself this time. You have delivered a free flowing video essay with the same consistently as your documentaries. The use of background music is better actually. I've run out of superlatives. It bothers me greatly that good few people don't know content like this exists on the platform.
Creating a new formula for the sake of clarity and deeper understanding. Take a bow, man. Much respect. Hope this channel blows up soon.
This channel is so underrated, absolutely insane.
I thought I loved stats but you take it to a whole different level. This is ridiculous. Respect man!!
I can't begin to imagine the amount of work you put into this. You should be working at UEFA or FIFA at this rate. This is the true definition of what original content means. I enjoyed watching this insightful video. Great work man.
This video actually managed to make me feel proud of Spurs even after today😂😂 thank you
You support a tinpot team 😂😂😂
Bottleham Hotspur will never win a Champions League in their lifetime you’ll forever be eternal losers
Feel proud of deez nuts
@@OwariDa_ damn I feel bad you really hurt my feelings bro
@@OwariDa_ 😂😂😂😂 chill man
@@OwariDa_ You are patheric
Guys I just finished the Arabic Episode, one word about it: LEGENDARY.
It's a huge amount of work and he did well by explaining how he did it. Fahd, you rock man. Thank you.
The Real Madrid 21/22 season
The average path lpr: 6.77
Champion LPR: 1.49
Average tournament LPR:5.59
And they lost 4 games including at home to Sheriff.
A lot of work, but coming away with Chelsea 20/21 as one of the hardest roads in history is not a great reflection of the formulas. Atletico, Porto, and Madrid in the 20/21 seasons were not elite teams at all. They were all very much declining. Chelsea in 11/12 defeated Barcelona, defending a treble, in the semis, and then Bayern, about to win a treble the next season in Munich in the final.
The formula is flawed like any formula would be, football can't be entirely defined by math. Far from such. But we got to see how strong the UEFA Cup was.
I wouldn't say Madrid was declining in 20/21 more so than the injuries really took a toll on the team, clutchness only takes you so far afterall.
And a small correction, Barca were not defending a treble in 11/12 as they lost the Copa del Rey to Real the previous season.
Was different from the usual videos, but was just as enjoyable, if not more. Fantastic video, you put out possibly the best long-form football videos on TH-cam.
I wonder where Madrid’s 21/22 triumph rank them up in all times list as they had possibly the toughest path to final in history
Their difficulty rating are lower than 15.00
You have outdone yourself again. You are a madman. This is an original piece of research that could be expanded further. Wow, wow, wow!!! I don't even like the thought of how long you spent collecting all that data. I love this stuff, technical number crunching stuff in sport. You're going to get notice soon for something bigger.
P.S I love your music choice. Gone a step further with Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. NIN is my favourite band, as soon as I heard the opening, I was invested.
It is settled Darragh, we both have the same taste in music 😅
Appreciate your support as always.
I just watched this video on my TV screen and had to come to the desktop to write a comment.I just can't imagine the amount of work put into this video.The pacing, old footage ( I grew up in the 80's looking at these competitions in Austria), the graphics.... just fantastic.Hats off to you & ( your team).This is a must watch for lovers of football and the competitions we all love.Thank you!!!
Incredible work and incredible editing. Absolutely love this channel.
I would love to see a Roberto Baggio documentary as the Netflix drama was a bit ‘different’
I loved this detailed and beautiful production. Would happily wait ages for this quality and detail you presented.
Incredible work to be honest. I always though that the old European Cup was not the same as the Champions League. Because unless you were the champions of your respective league, you would not qualify for the European. The second and third placed teams would often go to the old UEFA Cup, making it much more of a competitive tournament than the usual 5th and 6th place teams of today that go to the Europa League. Thats why its a bit disingenuous when people say players like Maradona never won the Champions League, well he only went twice with Napoli in 88 and 91 after winning the leagues in 87 and 90. Under the old rules, Lionel Messi would have played in the UEFA Cup in the 08/09 and 14/15 because they finished 3rd in 07/08 and 2nd in 13/14. And both in 2009 and 2015 they won trebles. So I think context is important sometimes.
This is why I don't get as to why it is still called the Champions League when a teams like Newcastle can qualify for the competition despite not winning their domestic league in over 70 years. It's just branding at this point. This is why competitions like the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup were essential.
Then you get teams from like Russia, Albania, Serbia, Croatia, Turkey, Netherlands, Slovakia who are champions of their league but due to the co-eff BS have to play a qualifying round to teams who didn't even bother winning their respective domestic leagues. I mean isn't the competition meant for the champions? The only thing that UEFA did that was notable in the last 20 years is letting the winner of the Europa league qualify for the Champions League on the strength that they have silverware which is way better than a league of 2-4th which is pointless. Because you have a bunch of teams who are just there for the publicity and money of the competition rather than trying to win it.
Maradona’s situation is mainly why I consider Champions League, Europa League, UEFA Cup, and European Cup as four separate and different tournaments, despite being considered a “rebranding” and utilizing the same trophy. Liverpool, Juventus, and Inter winning 3 UEFA Cups is a better achievement than Sevilla winning 7 Europa Leagues. And Real Madrid’s latest Champions Leagues are far more prestigious than their first 5; there is much more competition now.
Most people nowadays don’t know history and don’t value the Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup enough when discussing and ranking the top European teams, with Juventus being the most underrated and underappreciated.
@@andreskattan2197 It is really frustrating. Because most fans dont even know that back in the day only the champions of their respective leagues were allowed in the European Cup. The 2nd and 3rd place teams would go to the UEFA Cup and the domestic cup winners would go to the Cup Winners' Cup. If we played with previous rules for today, then the miracle of Istanbul would not happen because Liverpool finished 4th in 2003/04 season and would not have even qualified for the 2004/05 Champions League campaign.
100%
So hyped to watch this video. Was missing this
You deserve so much more respect! Hopefully more people will watch this
We are waiting for you every time, my friend. Your works are an art in itself. Thank you, thank you very much.
He's done it again! You have again delivered a masterpiece. I have no words. What a brilliant video. Love the research and hardwork put into it. All the different metrics used were very sensible with little to no flaws in them. Keep going!!
what a video. enjoyed it immensely! took my troubles away from my mind for a good 40 mins. keep up the good work. Balon ftw
This video, and your content in general, is stupidly good. I actually feel guilty watching it for free. The effort you go to, including creating your own formulae and drowning in spreadsheets for this particular video, is incredible. I wish this channel every success, and its criminal that you dont have 1m+ subscribers. Keep up the amazing work!
Bro your videos are goat'ed. I learn so much from them and they are so visually pleasing to watch! Thank you.
This guy just made maths interesting 😂
One of the best videos I've ever watched on youtube, period! I consider myself a football geek who likes seeking for teams & players data over the years. I had never considered how interesting the analysis of the difficulty of a competition could be.. This was eye opening. Having analysed the video, the formulae used, the results obtained (I wont make any remarks, a lot of people have already made accurate comments & criticisms) I'd like to see an improved mechanism being applied to different competitions in an effort to sort out some hot arguments (WC vs Euro, Copa America vs other international competitions, most challenging title wins, etc..). Grateful for your effort, honestly, thanks!
This channel is so underrated! 🔥 as always!
love the math! But the points that Barcelona has in 19/20 made me think, that maybe taking 5 years average should be done considering 2 years before AND after the tournament. Not possible for the UEFA, but possible for your retroactive calculations of the strongest competition. A lot of clubs like Barca and Juve leave on their legacy and are not as strong as 5 previous years suggest. On the other hand "new" clubs like Atalanta and Leipzig might be there to stay
Great point. By the same token, Ajax and Liverpool being considered underdogs in 94/95 and 04/05 is a bit misleading as those seasons were the first of a strong cycle (Ajax reached the final again in 96; Liverpool reached the final in 07 and the semifinal in 08). In general this formula gives declining clubs a higher coefficent than rising clubs (surely Barcelona 19/20 had a higher coefficient than Barcelona 08/09 despite the latter being one of the best teams in football history and the former a shadow of their older selves).
Possibly the only potential improvement to an otherwise incredible piece of work.
Underrated comment. It just seems weird that the most difficult CL winning season is Liverpools 18/19. Barcelona and Bayern were not as strong in this season as their LPR suggests, especially Barcelona.
Omg this is exactly the kind of content I LOVE! Great work!
Hombre esto es increíble, es un placer siempre ver tus videos, hay mucho trabajo en todo lo que haces.
This video was genuinely fascinating and I enjoyed every minute of it. Something every football fan should watch. Thank you for this masterpiece.
This work is crazy, I'm just seeing it but I'm very impressed, love and appreciate the work that you do
the worthiest of all the football videos I've watched so far! Such an in-depth analysis, effort, time and research invested in this video - bravo and thanks a million! His vidoes are the best history classes I've taken and seen so far.
One of the best and most relevant futebol related videos I've seen in a long time. The effort and care put into each analysis truly gives us a surprising yet fascinating view of the achievements lower rated teams promoted in European competions! I've watched it at least 3 times! Amazing! Thank you
This is one of the best football accounts on TH-cam, all of the wait for a new video was absolutely worth it
Excellent job man, you put hard work on every video and the result is always outstanding...
Every time I watch a video of yours I really do no want it to end, cause it's like a journey in football...
Thank you for the documentaries you post!!!
The old English first division trophy was truly beautiful.
@tackler96 just like old Wembley somehow is better than the new one. Just like Highbury was a better stadium that the Emirates "new" and "modern" don't always translate to "better".
But English football lost its soul the moment they sold out to Sky Sports in the early 90s.
That's why it was so funny listening to them bytch and moan about the Super League when Sky Sports destroyed English football by creating a super league called the "Premier League" in 92
@@blaquenguni9249 its made the league more interesting
@@blaquenguni9249 just like mine road is better than the etihad in my opinion.
It's the championship trophy now
You are legendary mate, I hope your channel explodes with subs and views, you deserve it. Keep pushing, you are seriously great at this
I remember when I was a kid that winning a UEFA Cup, or a Cup Winners Cup had almost the same feeling of winning a Champions League. All three competitions were very prestigious, of course CL was always the most prestigious one, but the other two were very strong too. This was before Uefa decided to screw things up, putting money over the interests of football. Now clubs prefer to simply grant a qualification for the Champions League, than focus on winning the Europa League, it's so sad. Until the late 90's win a European Competition, CL, CWC or UC, was more important and over than win the Domestic League. Now win the Europa League for top clubs is the same has win the League Cup, almost, they don't eaven want to play in that competition, they prefer to focus on grant one of the 4 first places on the domestic league rather than win that trophy. Uefa screw things up at the late 90's, all because of money.
Huge respect for making these high quality videos🙌👏
Hats off man! Absolutely amazing work! Such dedication and hours and hours of statistical study! Simply incredible! ♥♥
My favourite football analysis video on TH-cam of all time. This is incredible...you gotta get a million subs. Much love
Thank you for this video, I have never experienced a better or more interesting channel than this. Please continue to make your amazing videos!
Fahad, thank you for putting a lot of hard work to gather all the statistics. Looking forward to your next videos 🤟
Absolutely amazing work, congratulations. This is brilliant, thank you for providing such incredible insights of the sport, keep it up! :D
How this gem only has 55k views? One of the best documentaries I've ever watched, tremendous effort and analysis. Well done
Amazing video, hats off to you for the dedication put into this one
I have to say this was one amazing video!
Thanks for the amount of time you put into this!
Would love to see more content like this one!
This is astonishing stuff. Mind blowing. The analysis put into this video is just incredible. I was speechless half way through the video. Fantastic job.
Easily one of the best football videos I've watched on TH-cam. Excellent content, thank you!
the work put into it deserves all the praise in the world, unreal detail and explaining.
Fahad Al-Thekair, I know you worked hard on this. This is such an incredible job and huge information on here.
Thank you for this insane content, your consistent and unbiased analysis is what makes you the best channel on TH-cam.
Keep going, don't get tired. I hope the love you get on here spark you to do more, I know It's a lot of work and stress. So, thank you.
AMAZING VIDEOS! Desperately waiting for your next ones!
well this is definetly not a topic i ever thought about, interesting, thx again you are awesome!!!
this is insane, this channel is way underrated! Incredible work!
That's some amazing stuff, I know it's a minor detail but honestly the fact that you used old club logos for the older seasons is probably the best detail
Really enjoyed a different video like that keep up your work , it’s fantastic ❤️
This is insanely amazing! Crazy amount of effort and great info! I know that UEFA cup used to be a strong competition in the past but i have never asked myself this question before whether champions league was always superior to UEFA Cup or not :-)
the amount of hardwork u've put in this is admirable and breathtaking. The research is brilliant, and is not short of any high level study. Fantastic and intriguing video
The editing on this is.... its just incredible. The music.. the narration... Goosebumps!!
Hands down the best football video on TH-cam. Always amazing, thank you
Spectacular effort by you, I'm impressed. Absolutely detailed and understandable. Congratulations my friend, keep going!
This is incredible! I love it and admire the work behind this video. Have you considered making an approach that doesn't value equally the results in older campaigns when creating a coefficient? I mean if team A was champion 5 years ago, their 25 points are weighted by a number so that this result is less impactful on the final coefficient than their last campaign. If you considered it before, what was your thinking to select valuing all past five campaigns equally?
Omg, the work you put into this is outstanding Thank you. 👏👏👏
I loved the video, the formulas and the work you put in it! Thanks!
Fantastic work 🙌🏽🙌🏽 I loved this and would be happy to see more. Would love to see something similar for World Cups / Euros. Or even seasons within a league (i.e. Juve's dominance in 2010s compared to Milan's dominance in the early 90s.). Love this stuff.
channel desrves a mil
honestly amazing documentaries every time
Such an impressive video, a tremendous amount of effort for a really interesting video.
always waiting for your content
top notch work
Absolutely fantastic work yet again. As regards Nottingham Forest, they may have won both of their European Cups in the 2 weakest ever seasons of the competition but i tell you one thing...Forest played 51 games to win that first European Cup of theirs in 1979. Why did they need 51 games to win the European Cup you might ask?...Because prior to the 97/98 season you either had to be your respected League's reigning champion or be defending holders of the European Cup.
Forest had never won Europe's elite club trophy before 1979 and thus had to win England's top tier league outright in order for them to get their hands on said trophy. So Forest had to play 42 league games + the 9 European Cup matches in order for them to lift the trophy.
Appreciate your work and effort, the world deserves more people like you 💜
Firstly, the amount of work, research and data collected to bring this video is astonishingly good with the addition of editing and high quality production value! Thank you so much for bringing a new perspective and giving us a insight on the difficulty of champions. As a fairly young Spurs fan, I had no idea the degree of difficulty winning the European cup in 82/83 was, so I greatly appreciate the efforts for increasing my knowledge on the game!
The amount of effort you put into is out of this world, incredible.Kudos legend
Your so underrated man you deserve more then a mil views and I love your videos there really good and interesting to watch . Keep going 😁
AWESOME WORK!! as all of your videos, happy new year!!
This is a masterpiece as all of your work is. Thank you very much for giving us such a work.
yo the amount of work and math u put into this video is mad . put this in the Louvre. you deserve way more subs + views
I think the metrics used are a bit arbitrary but still given a like and subscribe because of the amount of work that’s clearly been put in, well done!
Once again, I bow to you, sir! The amount of work, research and dedication you put in your videos (channel) is simply mind blowing. Hats off!
The amount of research. Wow. Amazing
Well done. Keep going❤❤
Awesome video 💚 appreciate your hardwork & dedication. Cheers
Amazing video, should honestly have a lot more views. As a big fan of all european football, i absolutely loved the deep analysis you put into that video, and that you very well proved that ALL european tournaments are prestigious and should be respected. Cheers, mate!
Bro, this video is simply beyond my mind. I have never seen a content so well prepared before on any channel. Hope you make more like this in the future. Keep up the good work and stay safe, bro!
great video man, I'm really enjoying your videos, really in depth analysis and great research put into it and also the LPR explanation, I felt I was on a training course!ahah great stuff
The amount of work that you put into this video my god, another masterpiece. Glad to be your sub.
I'm sorry, but I really can't fathom why your videos haven't blown up more? I've yet to watch so many videos, consistently hitting the mark. I'm a Chelsea fan, learning all about football history across the continent. Thank you so much for your hard work and content!!!!
Great vídeo, I loved how you developed the formulas. You took a very scientific approach and it was a incredible video. One of the best. You have my respect after this one🙇♂️
This work is genius. I always think about this and i have thought about doing some research but i never did it so i admire this work man, congrats.
Excellent video!!! I'm curious to see a follow up video on the toughest path ODRs
This is only the third video I watched from your channel, but I can already tell I am a great fan of your work. I really admire the effort you put into your research and the way you present the outcomes. You seem to be able to explain difficult questions in such a simple and understandable matter that almost everyone can understand. Me, as a Dutch Ajax fan would like to make a request for another short documentary. There have been talkings of a combined Dutch and Belgian football league. I’d be really interested in your thoughts and findings about this subject/project. I’m sure me and many others would be looking forward to learn about your objective opinion about the so-called BeNeLiga! Keep up the good work!
What a work by balón English . I love your dedication . it's amazing . Love it . Big fan of your channel and big lover of your content ❤️❤️❤️. I was waiting for episode and think why you guys are so late . After watching this now I know why because a very big content. And I am waiting for next one