Nice! I just ordered my first wing (a Dudek Universal 1.1) and I am saving up for the motor. I plan on self-training. I have the PPG bible coming in and will take my time with everything. I have a Apco FIrst III harness to kite with and progress to small training hills later. I won't be jumping into it blind, but like you, taking my time to learn each step of the way. Lessons now are exorbitant ($3000-$3500) and I would much rather put that money into gear. Self training isn't for everyone, but those motivated and a little obsessive/compulsive on safety and knowledge can definitely do it. Thanks for the video. Its one of thousands I have already watched and studied before my wing gets here.
Yeah it's absolutely doable, as you say- it's definitely not for everyone, I've seen quite alot of self trained paramotor pilots and they all vary massively on how successful they were, Just take in all the information you can, spend ALOT of time researching weather as this is a huge part of keeping safe in these lightweight aircraft, also watch all the crash videos on TH-cam, people shy away from them but I learnt a hell of a lot about what not to do by these videos, better to learn by someone else's mistake rather than do it yourself. Sounds like you are taking it very seriously and taking your time which to me sounds very positive, Good luck with It and let me know if you need to ask any questions 👍
People dont like self trained because it's so dangerous not knowing what you're doing. If you learn to drive a car you wont fall to your death if something goes wrong. I advice everyone to get proper education if you wanna start flying.
@@mark675 Im not the one to judge from this video. It looks like you guys are responsible enough. However I think it's a crucial point to make to anyone watching this that self taught aviation should not be taken lightly. I wouldn't trust everyone with handling it responsible or try to determine if a situation is dangerous or not when you're super green in the sport. Frankly there is so much you dont know and so much you dont know that you dont know. The risks involved are very real. I think it's good that you have put in the description about the importance of caution but I'd still advice myself and everyone else to take the course because it's not much extra money if you're going to buy a whole set of gear anyways.
@@Bjordsoderman yeah i advise people to take training, It can be a very dangerous sport and best to be safe than sorry, Although our training was over 3 months whereas some of these so called trainers will have you in the air within 2 or 3 days, Contrary to what some people say it's really not a hard thing to learn to do imo
Great video ! I self-trained myself to paragliding 20 years ago, and followed a regular course (it's mandatory in France) for Powered Paragliding 2 years ago... I usually recomend people not to self-train ... but I can tell that your self-training seems to me very serious ! The first motorless groundhandling we see in the video show great skills for a beginner ! I have seen several studients with less skills after taking a full PG or PPG course ! When self-traning is done with passion, safety, and enough time, it can be a great deal ! Lessons are great for confidence ... but on the contrary, i've been frightened many times when watchng studients in a flying school taking off with - in my opinion - NOT the required skill level ! Keep flying !
Thanks Boris i appreciate the comment and the praise 👍🏼its always good to hear some positives rather than the usual 'you're going to kill yourself/break gear/give us all a bad name' etc etc We did take it seriously but also had good fun training :) I never recommend anyone to self train either but there will always be some people who like to live adventurously lol Thankyou and Safe flying :)👍🏼
It’s great seeing a couple of guys just getting it done with out school training. At one time or another when the sport was new there was a guy doing the very same thing because there were no schools now if you don’t go to a school that cost $2500-$3500 they will tell you your going to hurt your self or die wtf it’s just greed it shouldn’t cost so dam much, the sport is expensive enough.
Yeah exactly Chuck, there are some good trainers out there but unfortunately alot of them are cowboys that want you in and out as quick as possible so they can move on to the next student and get more money. They act like we're stupid for doing this and exclude you from the 'paramotor community' but fortunately i just want to fly im not in it to stand around in a field holding hands talking about flying and being righteous so it doesnt affect me 😂👍🏼
mark675 Well we both think alike. In the future I would like to start a club and try to do a fly in where any body and every body is welcome as long as there is no droma and you won’t need any type of certification to attend.And I don’t care what brand para motor you fly everyone will be welcome.There are certain flyins that you need there certification to attend what a bunch of BS there is no law that says you need Certification in the US. These guys just make it up to make more money off from there customers.Thanks for the reply.
I wouldn't want to try and learn this by myself but I will say $2500-$3500 seems a bit expensive. I fly an Ultralight Sabre Trike and got my training for about $1500 in 2008 but it does seems a bit more now. It does look like they learned in steps which is good. With my Sabre Trike, I think I would have crashed without training, but that's just me.
@@Berkner80, An ultralight is a rigid wing so you don''t have to worry about deflation in gusty wind or wind rotor. Do you still fly it? I plan to start self- teaching by mastering ground handling.
Hey Mark, I found your site from your comment in Tom's "wheelie cheat bike". Very nice work, and I love your approach. Well done. I would add a cheeky observation though - that you didn't just "self-train" but self-trained with a flying partner. That makes a huge difference, to have a buddy against whom to bounce some sanity checks. I say this as someone who followed a similar path. I had done a bit of PG training before, though, plus a few other bits of air experience, a bit like yourself. So long as you never stop learning, seek proper advice when it's needed, keep a level head on your shoulders, and have a good gut-feeling about what you do, there's nothing wrong with self-training. The motivation and discipline probably make for a better student. The problems start when the above prerequisites are not met! ;) Happy flying! PS. Love your RC trike, I've never seen one close up.
V. Gregg Undercover1566 Thankyou Gregg, we didnt set out to self train we just wanted to practice abit before training but then realised we could do it ourselves lol Just learn everything you can, practice loads and dont rush it, Safe flying :) 👍
One problem with self taught is not that you can't get up on your own, but understanding all of the pitfalls so you don't have to experience them first hand. Some of them being fatal. It's worth the education from experienced pilots. I'm not a pilot myself yet, I've got a training session setup in the near future. Just from the phone conversations about training, I've already realized some things from the trainer that I would have never considered. This guy for one has his throttle cable mounted incorrectly which if he let go would get caught up in the prop for example.
Yeah that is very true, We put in months of research before we flew, i bought the dvd's, books and got as much information off the internet and yt as possible, i actually bought my first paramotor manual about 8 years before i actually bought my parajet 😄 Like you say, anyone who does decide to self train needs a very good understanding of what can go wrong and how to deal with or avoid the problems, They need a good understanding of how wings work etc and also air law. I dont recommend people to do what i did but just shows that its possible with enough effort, The way the training syllabus is at the moment i felt it was more dangerous to go to one of them! My mate went pro training, came from a non aviation background and was in the air on his 3rd visit! nearly crashed on landing and hasnt flown again even though he payed in full
Your completely right... So were is the love for the sport? Some, "brother flyer" should give him the tip. For less then 3 grand and a weeks vacation from work!!... I have the money, and i have the time.... Its just trying to get them together at the same time, and get to (lets say Florida) for a week... Tough !!!!! Think ill self train too..
@@shanedarden369 At the very least make sure you have someone who does fly and can answer some of those questions you will definitely have that aren't in text books, a PPG2 rated person at least.
@@shanedarden369 i dont really have either of those atm, thats why im considering self training, yes, i could save up a bit more and spend all my money on training or i could get some free advice from people who are actually trying to keep you alive rather than people who pretend they care, all they want is a paycheck
If you want free training just go to capt. Kurt. You find him on youtube but personally, i dont like him. I mean, why does he need a gun on his belt to train students?
you guys are legendary in my book , you probably pist off 95% of the pilot community , lol they hate self trained types for some reason ??? Im addicted to the idea of getting into this , i got the fever bro ...
Doesnt make pilots angry... They are going about it very methodically and not just jumping straight to flight. My thoughts on training are if someones else's mistakes are available - especially when life is at risk - why not pay a little extra for the knowledge from the get-go. Training doesnt always guarantee safety. A lot of safety comes from decisions made in the moment.
Its easy to uunderstand why. There is a common etiquette among members which self trained just dont follow. Self trained just go anywhere and do whatever they want, regardless if they get in everyones way putting everyone they come across in danger. Its like handing a small boy a loaded rifle without telling him which way its safe to shoot first. The boy sees a dove in the air, tracks it and starts bustn caps at it. No problem, right? Wrong. The boy is now swinging the gun across people behindthe firing line in his excitement to get the bird.. I quickly left before getting shot by that kid or one of the other people, defending themselves. Thats how self trained are viewed as they dont see how their actions are sometimes putting others in danger.
Daniel D thankyou Daniel 👍 I lost my last video due to faulty memory card, wouldve been a good one aswell lol Hopefully fly tomorrow as weathers looking good so will post new video after 👍
Cheers mate, Cost was around £8.5k for new gear but can get it for alot less if buying 2nd hand, just buy the best gear you can afford really as the hassles and extra cost of fixing cheap stuff isnt worth it imo and will ruin alot of your potentially great flying days 👍🏼
I want to start flying paramotors but the price is a bit high. There are some schools but they charge more for you to rent their equiptment and they charge even more if you bring your own equipment and they charge less IF you buy their equipment.?.? When a person pays someone to teach them to drive a car they don't charge different prices depending if you use their vehicle, bring your own vehicle or buy one of their vehicles. I understand that there aren't a lot people paramotoring so things are more expensive and if it was cheap there would be too many people in the sky and it would become heavily regulated and quite dangerous BUT the pricing is ridiculous for lessons. Well done men !! Congrats and safe flying.
Thanks dude 👍 Yeah pretty much anything 'aviation' has a big chunk of money put onto it 😄 nomal £2 scooter gaskets become 20 quid gaskets if they're for an aircraft engine which is almost the same thing lol We didn't self train to save money though really it was just a challenge for us and we knew we could do it if we researched and practiced enough. The money saving was an added bonus and went towards all the other gear we needed (rack for the car, intercom, etc) We we're laughed at when the 'community' learnt what we were doing and said we'd spend more in repairs than training, we're both still on our original props and no damage to any gear whatsoever. Saying that though I can honestly say that I wouldn't recommend self training to anyone else, not knowing anyone else's knowledge or aviation background I couldnt recommend it cus with any flying- stuff can go very bad very quick! :( I also cant tell anyone not to cus itd be hypocritical, people who want to self train will know if they are or aren't capable, if in any doubt pay for training you really cant put a price on your life 👍 Any more questions just message me :)
Yeah they will charge extra if you use their gear as theyve had to pay for it, maintain and repair it if it gets damaged etc It's not right if they charge more for using your gear, maybe it's just penalizing you for not buying off them. Alot of instructors are crooks, you really have to be careful, I was always told if doing lessons pay for each lesson as you do them because if you block book then someone who turns up paying cash will jump the queue! Theyve already had your cash so you become less of a priority lol Terrible really but some are like that
@@mark675 Thanks so much for the response and the advice. I truly appreciate it. I think I will wait a bit and go with the training but if I end up finding a great deal on a PPG, I could end up learning on my own, lol. Thanks again, stay safe brother.
I did my PPL years ago after many years of flight sim's and books but no RC couldn't afford them. I had two instructors a french guy and an OZY and for the most part they just observed me learning to fly and only interjected when I was wrong or things were dangerous.... at the time I thought I was left to myself to much and then I saw how other's were trained with a stiff hand so I confronted them about it. They told me that on my first preliminary flight they assumed that I had flown before and had checked out my records to see if I'd held and lost a license before for being an ass in the air they also explained that some people can fly and some people have the $$$$.
Yeah when people ask us how long it took to learn i feel like saying 30 years cus thats how long ive been flying in the back of things and learning loads about flying ever since with books, dvds, radio controlled aircraft and other means. people going for training and being in the air three sessions later to me is alot more dodgy but guess the instructors have their money and the student got to fly so job done! Can see why alot of these students are unconfident and nervous on their first flights away from training its because they feel theyre not ready themselves..
This is awesome. I've been thinking of taking training for ppg but now that I saw this video I'm gonna think of doing it my way and taking my time. Thanks guys 🤗
great vid defiantly looks like it works good learning together i am making a decision at the moment to self train or get lessons i have researched this for the last 2 years i feel like i could self train but were have to see .. just have one question .... if you was to go back in time .. from what you have learned on your journey would you get lesson or self train
Thanks Dan 👍 I wouldnt change anything we did tbh it worked out great 🙂 Not saying it will for everyone but if you take your time and make sure you know what you are doing then there's not reason why not 🙂
Awesome video guys! I will say, most of the guys who "self train" do it recklessly and without even the most basic knowledge of flight. In FAA FAR103 (which is how we fly legally here in the USA) it specifically states that the self regulation of the sport is governed by the amount of injuries and deaths occurred and that it could change at any time. That is part of the reason why pilots are concerned with proper training. The more deaths and stupid occurrences and injuries sustained as a whole, the more likely it will become regulated for EVERYONE. Just wanted to point that out. Happy flying guys, and great job!
Thankyou :) Yeah I understand them being miffed about self training but it's perfectly legal, Although not a great idea for everyone, only the individual knows if they're happy doing it or not and we were :) Some of the uk paramotor community are beyond pathetic but Its just all good fun for me im not in it for the drama so I just get on with it :) Thanks for the kind words and stay safe 👍 Mark
@@mark675 Oh yeah, you guys did actual steps and took some time between steps to actually make your way into the air. What you guys did was what I would call, "The right way to self train" if there was a right or wrong way. What I was referring to is the guys who buy a paramotor, and day 1, strap it to their back and start running down a field lol. They are just asking for trouble, and that trouble, whether on the ground or in the air can results in something that most likely could have been prevented with proper instruction since 95% of all injuries and issues are a result of the Pilot and decisions, not the equipment. And ultimately if too many people make bad decisions, it will eventually cost the entire sport to become regulated which nobody wants LOL. These comments aren't really aimed at you guys specifically, they are for everyone else who is reading this since I don't really see anyone else touching on this aspect of the self train or get trained argument, thats all!
@@MediPhorm yeah the people who just buy and fly them dont realise what dangers there are ahead of them, even on the ground these things can be lethal, I dont think there would ever be any stopping those types of people from doing silly stuff like that but just maybe they will read these comments and think twice 😄
Thanks Louie :) Got 30 flights under our belts now and no damage to prop or anything 👍🏼 27 first time takeoffs and only one trip in long grass which resulted in few lines tangled in prop, Think weve done ok :)
So true Louie. At my RC club, we all pitch in to help train the noobs for free. Why should this sport be any different? If someone is training you for free it's because they have a passion for the sport and aren't focused on the money they make doing it because there IS no money involved. I would rather teach for free after learning than let someone be totally on their own than watch them stumble and maybe die because their passion exceeded their wallet. I've trained lots of guys to fly RC. Even collective pitch helicopters that I taught myself to fly. Never have I asked for anything in return. I gained a new friend and flying buddy and that's enough for me.
Swear to god.... i think the same thing... Unless they are trying to limit the amount of yahoo's getting into the sport, by pricing them out...( make it more of an elite thing)
I think you may previous experience of some other type of flying. ? Flexwings or hang gliding? If not then it’s amazing that you achieved this and keeps the spirit of the first aviators going. Good on you.
Thankyou :) Yeah I pretty much grew up in the back of my dads flexwing microlight from 8 years old onwards, Used to love doing the preflight checks with him and stuff so was pretty much ingrained into me that "you can't just pull over in the sky like you can with a car" lol He built a flexwing from scratch when i was 12 and I was 'helping' him so learned alot from that, over the years I've been up in cessnas, and had a few lessons in a microlight and an autogyro, Think it was all the knowledge that was passed onto me from my dad and his flying mates that has made the biggest difference though, Thanks for the nice comment, I appreciate it 👍
mark675 , I’ve got 20 hours on flexwings, a few in gliders and a couple on Ikarus C42 but at £135 an hour it’s going nowhere so I’ve got a full paramotor course booked for September, I just want to potter about locally when the weather is good, not drive 30 miles to get the flexwing out the hangar . Your video really encouraged me, I thought they were were flimsy and prone to collapses but seems they’re pretty safe wishing the specified flight envelope. Thanks.im gonna go through all your vids now
@@thpxs0554 yeah I started microlight lessons too but as you said, the travelling to the airfield (which are quite far away) The hangarage or trailering /rigging and breaking down every flight put me off abit, ill be honest i still prefer microlights especially for takeoff and landing but paramotors are so much fun, I bought it for the same reason you mentioned- seing the sights and chilling out on calm days, The danger of collapse is always there but its such a very small chance if you are flying in the right conditions that it isnt really worth worrying about, modern wings are pretty safe :) The small costs and only needing a small field to takeoff and land in is a big bonus of paramotors and why so many people are being drawn to them, best of luck with the training you will love it :)
Thanks :) Only mistake i made was not pulling brakes once i got up to takeoff speed which meant i was carrying alot of speed across the ground, then as i came unstuck i shot up pretty quickly causing me to back off the throttle 😄 the next one was loads better :)
mark675 looked solid to me, wing stayed 90 degrees and not right above you👍! Throttle was right on! Keep it up man!! All it takes is common sense bro!! The Wright Brothers flew frick’n airplanes without training, and I wouldn’t dare pay someone thousands of dollars, just to learn paramotoring!! When people charge that much for training, it’s all about greed and not for the love of the sport!
@@junkdiggersjunkremoval1404 that is very true :) I knew i could teach myself as well as any instructor could teach me, it took more time but i dont see that as a bad thing. Ive done over 40 flights now and have launched 1st time on all but 2 of them (both of them ones 2nd try) and most with nil wind so must be doing something right 😄👍🏼 Just get as much knowledge as you can and practice loads :) good luck 👍🏼
mark675 Thanks buddy!! Same to you! I plan on getting a paramotor by next year. Right now I’m working on my business and getting that moving along. Who knows, if things work out, maybe this year I’ll get one! Safe flying brother🤙🏻
omg wow that was breath takingly awesome you lot have done what I plan to do and I want a parajet as well man awesome was it hard learning and what was the biggest thing you learnt or most important thing and did you have any scary dangerous moments etc??? awesome guys this has inspired me wow
dal Be careful man. Take it steady. Self training takes longer than instruction. Get a friend to walk you through the first flight. Its quite a mind blowing experience.
Lots of common sense here - the progression was well staged - this is good approach to self taught. I would watch a thousand crash videos before I self taught, just to see why things go wrong.. and learn as much as possible from other people's mistakes.
Thankyou 👍 This video is just the parts we got footage of aswell, there was three months of training, theory and practical before we felt ready to fly 🙂 Watching crash videos is definately a great way of learning how most accidents happen and what to avoid doing yourself, been flying 5 years now and still on original prop so we did something right 😄 Thanks for the nice comment 👍
That was amazing,yous were well prepared and went about it sensably ,I would love one of these flying machines ,every flight is a training flight even if you been up in the air a thousand times you can't buy experience and you won't get much at a 5 day training school for 1.5 grand they just filling there pockets with cash your cash that could buy you reserve chute ,float system GPS radio all the safety features that will save you good on you guys i.m so jealous happy flying I can imagine you still be on paramotor in 30 years time
Thanks mate :) yeah we learnt over about 3 months what they cram into their short lessons, we already had a good knowledge of flight but as you said exerience is the aim without killing yourself in the process 😄 I dont regret what we did for a second, teaching ourselves was great fun especially the hill towing :) You should get one it really is an amazing sport even as an outcast self trainer 😂😉
4 years ago,... hmm,... you should make a note in a self-training. 1. Train without the motor on first until you are comfortable. Make sure you understand what is brake and how to use it. 2. Buy yourself an altimeter and learn the height limit you could get in the area. Don't fly too high, there is a plane and helicopter. Don't fly too low, you need to protect people safety first. 3. Once you are familiar to take off and landing without the motor or engine on. Now, you can use the engine. Learn how to use it first.
Absolutely correct, Definately need to practice ground handling the wing first, Maybe then try some smallish hill gliding or towing (not with vehicles) so can get a feel of the wing in flight, Then get used to the thrust of the engine on your back without being attached to the wing, Then put it all together 😎 Definately need to do as much research about weather, airspace, wing aerodynamics etc as possible too. Flying is highly unforgiving so needs to be done as safe as possible 🙂👍
@@mark675 Woah, I never thought you would reply to my comment. Can you give me a recommendation for the wingspan (what do you call it?) that I should use if my weight is 55 - 60 kg? I had read from www.flyozone.com/paramotor/products/gliders/freeride that at least 14 meters long. But, if it is recommended, I want to take 16 meters. I'm not sure. I'm not sure about the length but I'm sure that I have to spend most of my money on the glider (wing?). I don't want to cheap it and risk my safety.
@@frostsmaker8966 it all depends on the weight of your paramotor unit, fuel, anything you're carrying etc. All wings will have a weight range, some paraglider only (pg) some paramotor (ppg) and some can do both and will have a weight range for them depending on what you are using it for. Make sure you are (or will be) towards the upper limit of the weight range, its not a good idea to be lightly loaded on a wing that's too big for you 👍
@@mark675 I never thought that, you are so helpful thanks. So, I have to measure my weight with the engine, fuel, etc first. Okay. I just watch some people running so far and the glider doesn't seem to have enough lift. :D
@@frostsmaker8966 you're welcome 🙂 Yeah get your all up weight (minus the glider) and aim for the top end of the weight range = your size wing :) I'm around 95kg and have a size 28 wing, my paramotors about 35-40kgs + fuel (8-10kg)
Thanks kristian, it was about 3 months for me but i had years of previous experience in light aviation and have been into aircraft since i was a kid so had a good understanding of how wings work etc so that 3 months might vary for others depending on their experience, knowledge ability etc 👍🏼
Lol thankyou, its a shame we didnt get much footage of our training really but i suppose what we got is better than nothing :) We really enjoyed the training it was great fun building up to the first flight 👍🏼
I'd love to get into this but even if I gave up motorcycle riding ( 35 + years worth ) I'd struggle to purchase a good bit of kit & the thieving sods want 6 k for training here in NZ,I'd need around 20 k to do this 😢😢
They do charge way too much for training, we were going to pay but after buying a training wing and practicing (after alot of research) we decided to just do it ourselves :) After all, if their students can go from zero to in the air after 3 training days then im sure our 3 months of self training and our previous aviation experience is enough. I would never advise anyone to train themselves as everyones different and have different abilities/knowledge etc but its really not as hard as they make it out to be, What it definately IS though is unforgiving. I payed £5.5k for the brand new parajet v3, £2k for the wing (second hand but like new) 200 quid for training wing. With absolutely everything, helmets, flying suit, strobes etc it was probably around £9k Running costs are like running a scooter, can fly for an hour for around £6 😂 If you are serious about trying it id definitely shop around abit cus there are some crooks out there who are only interested in your money, Good luck and let me know if you have more questions 👍
@@mark675 oh yes I hear you man about being unforgiving,in my eye's there must be no mistakes ever & that's a big ask,I'm self taught with motorcycles but it was small steps & mistakes were made & it hurts alot but I'm not 500 feet + in the air with a bike but make an error at 180 mph it's your last,thankyou for your advice,I still want one though ☺
In the comments you say "a fair bit about flight in general". Can you expound a bit more on your prior experience? I've been thinking this over quite a bit because I've fielded a lot of questions about that very subject since I started posting my own journey. That's to say, "Where is a good entry point for others transitioning from other forms of aviation?" I think it's best to advise on an individual basis, but I see a flood of crossover pilots coming soon, especially in the U.S. With all of the content and documentation being posted on the subject in the past few months interest in para has exploded. A light sport pilot, someone that soloed back in the 1980's? new private pilot, or someone with 450 hours? I wonder where the cut off is.
YankeeinSC1 I grew up with microlights, been going in the back of my dads since i was about 8 years old, had a lesson when i was 18 and another one since, had couple of lessons in cessna and an autogyro. Have been into rc flying for nearly 10 years building my own including the first fully scale electric, fpv, and nitro microlight model, this took a hell of alot of research and understanding flying physics and aerodynamics. Have been fascinated with flight a huge part of my life amd am glad to now be able to put it into practice for real :) I try not to encourage people to self train as alot can go wrong and go wrong bad but i also think if they feel they cam do it and have the knowledge and natural ability then why not :)
I assume you mean to say 1000ft he was nowhere near 10k from any clips I noticed here. That said, altitude is safety, 1k is not very high. Definitely feel free to go up to 1-2k and spend some quality time getting used to the wing before coming down and landing.
Lol na I didnt get any formal training, I grew up around aviation though and went in my dads microlight from a young age so had a good knowledge of flying, checking stuff, weather etc. Some trainers are 100% in it just for the money, no question! I cant speak for all of them though as in the uk we have a few great instructors (Clive Mason for one) These instructors have a genuine passion for flying and want people to be safe after they finish their lessons, others want you in and out as quick as poss to get money off the next poor sucker. The training /self training argument all comes down to what experience people have previously, It's not just the flying- which in calm conditions is fairly easy, conditions can change very quick and become extremely challenging which is why you need a decent knowledge of weather and how it affects you. People also need some engine/mechanical knowledge. The thing that cant be taught is common sense so even after training some people are still lethal 😄
@@mark675 great stuff thanks! I do have a fixed-wing pilot's license so feel I'm a little bit ahead of the game, the wings seem to act just like what they're called wing, same as an airplane with the same characteristics of flight for the most part. So I think I have a little bit of knowledge, I've flown stunt kites and power kites for years so I got a little bit of powerzone knowledge on the Wind so I think my kiting would be okay. My plan is to do a lot of groundwork, and then either have someone I meet at the para motor field help me get up for the first couple times, or take a lesson kind of a la carte on my first flight. The problem is Lee equipment I want to buy, the dealer won't sell to me unless I have formal training set up! Kind of sucks.
@@johnk12345100 ah you've got an even better knowledge than me then, you'll be absolutely fine :) Yeah flight characteristics will be different as you are a pendulum way below the wing but as you say- it's still a wing so can still stall /tip stall etc. It's good news about the powerkite experience aswell, alot of people say they are totally different which they obviously are but I do it aswell and it definitely helped me alot with my kiting, inflating it again after its collapsed etc. Its a shame they wont sell you gear but maybe just buy 2nd hand for now. I'd definately say hooking up with an experienced pilot for the first flight is a good idea and buy all the DVDs and books available :) Are you in the US?
@@mark675 yes I'm in the US, North Carolina, there's a field about an hour away that paramotors go to, but it seems like a lot of trikes, definitely going to hang out there for a couple of days before I do anything as far as buying a kite, and then the paramotor, thanks for the info!
I didn't but I bought a second hand wing (30hrs on it) and a brand new v3 unit off parajet. Tbh from what people have been saying then I dont think parajet would of sold me one if they knew but at the time I was actually going to go for training so i didn't lie :) I missed out on an offer they had on at the time that if you bought a new wing and unit off them you got free training, Although I did save a grand on the wing and £1k- 1.5k on training so didnt do too bad :)
Well done! More proof you can teach yourself anything if do the research first and have the correct mindset. Im from Redditch, any chance i can turn up and watch when you next fly? Im very curious, I promise ill just watch and keep quiet! Pleeeeease.
@@mark675 Yeah, unfortunately. I would rather be training under a professional, but there aren't any around here and I don't have the option of getting to one right now, so for now, I'll use an abundance of caution and learn as much as I can, beforehand, from Tucker Gott and Aviator PPG.
Hi! I'm thinking about getting into paramotoring and considering self-training. Do you need someone with you? Can you train on your own? How long did it take you to learn? Where do you get the learning material? Sorry for so many questions!! 😊
@@mark675 Hey Mark, nice video mate. How do the Roadster and Spark compare to each other when learning and the after - once you got more experience? Cheers.
@@FreedomQuestAdventures thanks Louis :) speedwise- flying next to eachother the roadster 2 seems to be the same speed at slow trim as the spark is at fast trim setting so is the difference between being 'paraparked' into a headwind on the spark and actually being able to still cover ground on the roadster just by letting the trims out. The roadster inflates so well too and launches easy with the trims at neutral. Only thing i would say for the spark that could be considered an advantage for a total beginner would be the lack of tip steering (so simpler) and maybe the shorter trim adjustment but this would only be a benefit for the first few flights, you would soon want to upgrade to a faster wing with these features. In my opinion the roadster 2 is a great beginner/intermediate wing and i would recommend it to anyone :)
I dont know, its possible if people start hurting themselves and other people, otherwise i doubt theyll care from what ive heard from people 'in the loop'
mark675 it’s not the people who love the hobby it’s the drone type idiot that brought that to its knees ! All over a sudden little men in yellow jackets popped up as professional drone pilots .
Some professional local pilots offered to watch over our first flight, last minute we decided to give them one of the intercoms so we could chat. We did all our training ourselves but when someone offers to look over your first flight it'd be silly to not accept, especially when they have a huge field too 😄 👍🏼
mark675 right that’s impressive. I did this all myself start to finish. I always like to see others set that example. I don’t document it much though I should do really.
@@LITTLEEXPERIMENTCHANNEL1 yeah get some videos up :) We didnt set out to train ourselves but just sort of went that way lol This video looks abit bad really as i didnt capture alot of footage of our training, most of the clips here were the first time we'd tried something lol we didnt move on till we had it second nature :) Safe flying mate ill sub you back 👍🏼
Richard furlong parajet say the v3 is 26 kg dry but with fuel weight aswell its up around mid to high 30's id guess, definately not the lightest paramotor but i love how robust it is and the build quality :)
Thanks :) Id start by finding out where the nearest school is and start revising from videos and books till you are bored of reading/watching the same thing 😄 Theres a fair bit to learn in this sport to keep you safe (weather being the main one) flying the paramotor is the easy part 😁👍🏼
Just go on the parajet website, mines the volution3 (v3) and ozone site for the roadster2 although the roadster 3 is out now. Old Training wing was bought from flybubble in the uk.
@@beezytalkingshit9319 sorry I havent had notifications of some of these comments for some reason. I phoned parajet and had a long chat about gear size etc they were very helpful. I got recommended the moster 185 plus by parajet but warned off it on the forums cus too much power for beginners, I say as long as you have good throttle control and don't just pin it then its a brilliant engine :)
Also I'm 15 stone and am a size 28 ozone roadster 2. I wouldn't recommend a size to anyone else tbh so better to look on the wing manufacturers site or phone them and ask 👍
jeepnmike787 yup thats my mate, he knows this was close, his ones since then have been good, Look at my more recent videos, 28 takoffs and 25 first time, One trip in long grass but no other sketchy ones
Holy crap you got mega altitude on your first flight lol. I was self trained to the first flight. I had a local guy help me up. Taught myself everything up to that point. I did it the same way you did with a hand tow line and shit loads of kiting. It can be done but it needs the right mind-set. Not everybody can or should self-train for it. Most people should go full instruction.
Oliver Lewin well done Oliver great achievement👍 youll get plenty of haters for going it alone but fuck em we can probably fly better than half of them lol Yeah i wanted to get up abit and practice with the steering and stuff, was a nice view too 😂 Safe flying bud ill subscribe to your channel 👍
mark675 Its took me a fair while. Way longer than proper training would have done. But that was one of my reasons. I learned at my pace and flew when I felt I was ready. Really looking forward to going up next.
Oliver Lewin yeah thats what its all about mate, take your time, practice and learn all you can, its a great sense of achievment and the 1500 quid saving is just a bonus 👍safe flying mate
The danger is not the altitude he got to. It's when your near the ground is what counts as long as you chose good air to fly in the air don't hurt. It's the ground that does. But these guys seem to have done a fair amount of ground training to be good with it.
I was watching this vid and 3 mins or more these guys have the motor on there back and Reving it . I think to my self that ( these guys are never going to get off the ground without a chute over there head ! LOL 😝
omg , were peas in the same pod, only difference, Im literally on my own, so to be fair , i become a victim of the " professional " scaremongering, " do you think ground handling and motor practice for two years is long enough to wait .lol,.Im about ready to go up myself very soon , self trained too
@@clubsnapperuktheyll try scare you out of it, in some ways i can see why, it all depends what type of person you are and what your abilities and knowledge are like, It can be a dangerous sport but funny enough it seems more dangerous before you leave the ground with that big arm mincer behind you 😄 Just make sure you get very clued up with everything, the flying parts not too hard but small mistakes can be very bad (using brakes when you should be hands up for example) gaining very good knowledge of airspace and weather too and you'll be fine. Where abouts in uk are you?
I'm not sure if "very responsible" and "Paramotor Self-Training" belong in the same sentence. That said, at the very least he should have been wearing a helmet starting at 1:50 -- If you fall backwards for whatever reason, do not expect that netting to protect your head from hitting that giant food-processor behind your back. I have a Parajet Maverick, I love it, but I have foolishly (forgetfully) started it on my back without my helmet once or twice. That's definitely something they teach in PPG training (well, my instructors taught that at least: Helmet is always required gear.).
vaprex so you're giving us a lecture but you forgot to put a helmet on twice? Whats next? Forgetting your leg straps? You do know trainers are just people who decided to train other people? Doesnt mean theyre actually good at it. Ive watched some videos on here and some of them massively over complicate alot of stuff amd let people do their first flights when theyre not even ready.
vaprex some people self teach because they can, some can't. It's usually the people that can't that preach "professional" training. For a professional such as yourself "forgetting" to wear a helmet is a no no. I wonder what other mistakes you have made?
First of all: I'm not a professional - I'm a student. And the difference is that I *recognize* that it actually *was* a mistake. Others without professional training don't seem to grasp that. My trainer is an experienced pilot with over 40 years flight experience. If you want to throw your life into the skies on a flying lawnchair mounted with a prop spinning at 6000rpms with no training other than watching TH-cam videos, go for it... It boggles my mind that people think it's a stupid waste of time and money to get training from those who have countless hours of experience. Best of luck to you if you don't.
vaprex im almost 40 flights in now and still learning but the learning curve was no different to the professional training one, in my case i wouldnt even say it was more risky, it just took longer but as everyone knows thats not a bad thing at all, trainers sending students into the air after 3 lessons now thats dumb
They only showed how they learned to take off and land. Thankfully, they didn't experience that torque twist because it can slam a new pilot face first into the ground. I wanted to self teach until I saw this because in training, what keeps you alive is all the little things they teach you like, controlling the wing. Still, nice try and it did show they can get in the air. I pray they don't have any bad things come up in flight that training didn't catch.
This isnt all we learnt, this is just what i captured on video which wasnt alot really and most of it was the first time we tried something. I already knew what to do if i get torque twist so i wasnt concerned at all about it, Training is more likely to cause you to get torque twist as they yell "FULL POWER, FULL POWER" on takoff, Doing that with a moster 185 isnt a great idea, power can get you in trouble so you only use what you need to, they cant teach you to feel what is happening and increase or reduce power as needed as that comes with previous knowledge and experiences so its 'full power, cruise power or kill it' If you feel you need training then go for it i hope you do well :) i chose not to and now have around 60 flights, 58 first time takoffs and still on the original propeller, not many trained pilots can say that.
It just made me a little nervous seeing him sorta list back and forth. Great job btw! I want to learn myself but keep listing on the decision to. I have a friend that goes but can never remember to call me so I gave up on him.
@@ranman58635 yeah bens takeoffs werent great and he wont mind me saying cus he knows himself 😄 I would only self train if you have previous flight experience and alot of knowledge, any doubts then get training 👍🏼 I didnt set out to self train, i just bought an old wing to practice before i booked my training up, the more we practiced and the more we read/watched videos etc the less we felt training was needed so we did our first flight with some local pilots just so they could make 100% sure we were doing everything right
@@mark675 awesome! Well you are the first guy to encourage me that way. I was thinking of just getting a practice wing too but maybe a 16 to start. Like a kite I guess. I do a lot of research as well and I'm confident that I have skill. I'm a natural with respect to having great reflexes and I'm quick to correct. I may just go solo. The first guys had to learn and set the standards. I just figured they knew from experience and can teach me more than I can learn on my own and hopefully not kill myself in the process. I'm certain I can learn on my own but the experience is something I value too. I'm learning from you now.
@@ranman58635 buying an old wing is 100% the best thing to do cus i didnt want to wreck my ozone dragging it round a muddy field 😄 And yeah the instructors can obviously teach you without you learning the hard way, flying is very unforgiving to mistakes but with enough time practicing, researching and listening to other pilots then its 100% possible to fly without formal training. Make sure you buy the paramotor bible and the instructional dvd's (risk & reward and various others) And understand fully about how wings fly, how torque affects you and very important to learn about weather, airlaw and airspace, Its so rewarding to do it all on your own though :) 👍🏼
Self taught, 1st flight coming up and just ordered two jet engines to mount on the lower edge of my. I hope to stay under 85, 000 feet first time out. Also they have a great deal on tin foil helmets that have propellers on top and holds the reserve chute inside. The wing has butterfly wings embedded within for light weight and natural flight characteristics!. I'll be filming with a new Brownie!
Mike Brady how did your first flight go mike? without trying to be arrogant look at my other videos, our takeoffs are better than alot of trained pilots, ive done 14 flights now and have done first time takeoffs with 13 of them..
Mike Brady also dont forget i said i had limited footage of our self training, alot of this footage is the first time we had tried a certain part so obviously we didnt move on from it till we got pretty good at it
Postghost im not promoting it, read the video discription. All ive said is its possible which it is if you go about it the right way. I wouldnt actually recommend it to 99% of people but if they are naturally talented, take the time to learn and practice and are abit of a risk taker then why not? Id rather teach myself than go with kurt fister is that classed as training??
You must be new to this.. I'm 6 years in and still on my original prop! No fines, no accidents, definately no trespassing fines?! So take your righteous opinion and stick it up your ass
Nice! I just ordered my first wing (a Dudek Universal 1.1) and I am saving up for the motor. I plan on self-training. I have the PPG bible coming in and will take my time with everything. I have a Apco FIrst III harness to kite with and progress to small training hills later. I won't be jumping into it blind, but like you, taking my time to learn each step of the way. Lessons now are exorbitant ($3000-$3500) and I would much rather put that money into gear.
Self training isn't for everyone, but those motivated and a little obsessive/compulsive on safety and knowledge can definitely do it. Thanks for the video. Its one of thousands I have already watched and studied before my wing gets here.
Yeah it's absolutely doable, as you say- it's definitely not for everyone, I've seen quite alot of self trained paramotor pilots and they all vary massively on how successful they were,
Just take in all the information you can, spend ALOT of time researching weather as this is a huge part of keeping safe in these lightweight aircraft,
also watch all the crash videos on TH-cam, people shy away from them but I learnt a hell of a lot about what not to do by these videos, better to learn by someone else's mistake rather than do it yourself.
Sounds like you are taking it very seriously and taking your time which to me sounds very positive,
Good luck with It and let me know if you need to ask any questions 👍
That second landing was perfect. Good job. Fly smart and don't take chances in risky weather. Congrats!
People dont like self trained because it's so dangerous not knowing what you're doing. If you learn to drive a car you wont fall to your death if something goes wrong.
I advice everyone to get proper education if you wanna start flying.
Its dangerous if you dont know what you're doing I absolutely agree,
We did though :)
@@mark675 Im not the one to judge from this video. It looks like you guys are responsible enough.
However I think it's a crucial point to make to anyone watching this that self taught aviation should not be taken lightly. I wouldn't trust everyone with handling it responsible or try to determine if a situation is dangerous or not when you're super green in the sport. Frankly there is so much you dont know and so much you dont know that you dont know. The risks involved are very real.
I think it's good that you have put in the description about the importance of caution but I'd still advice myself and everyone else to take the course because it's not much extra money if you're going to buy a whole set of gear anyways.
@@Bjordsoderman yeah i advise people to take training,
It can be a very dangerous sport and best to be safe than sorry,
Although our training was over 3 months whereas some of these so called trainers will have you in the air within 2 or 3 days,
Contrary to what some people say it's really not a hard thing to learn to do imo
Great video ! I self-trained myself to paragliding 20 years ago, and followed a regular course (it's mandatory in France) for Powered Paragliding 2 years ago... I usually recomend people not to self-train ... but I can tell that your self-training seems to me very serious ! The first motorless groundhandling we see in the video show great skills for a beginner ! I have seen several studients with less skills after taking a full PG or PPG course ! When self-traning is done with passion, safety, and enough time, it can be a great deal ! Lessons are great for confidence ... but on the contrary, i've been frightened many times when watchng studients in a flying school taking off with - in my opinion - NOT the required skill level ! Keep flying !
Thanks Boris i appreciate the comment and the praise 👍🏼its always good to hear some positives rather than the usual 'you're going to kill yourself/break gear/give us all a bad name' etc etc
We did take it seriously but also had good fun training :)
I never recommend anyone to self train either but there will always be some people who like to live adventurously lol
Thankyou and Safe flying :)👍🏼
It’s great seeing a couple of guys just getting it done with out school training. At one time or another when the sport was new there was a guy doing the very same thing because there were no schools now if you don’t go to a school that cost $2500-$3500 they will tell you your going to hurt your self or die wtf it’s just greed it shouldn’t cost so dam much, the sport is expensive enough.
Yeah exactly Chuck, there are some good trainers out there but unfortunately alot of them are cowboys that want you in and out as quick as possible so they can move on to the next student and get more money. They act like we're stupid for doing this and exclude you from the 'paramotor community' but fortunately i just want to fly im not in it to stand around in a field holding hands talking about flying and being righteous so it doesnt affect me 😂👍🏼
mark675 Well we both think alike. In the future I would like to start a club and try to do a fly in where any body and every body is welcome as long as there is no droma and you won’t need any type of certification to attend.And I don’t care what brand para motor you fly everyone will be welcome.There are certain flyins that you need there certification to attend what a bunch of BS there is no law that says you need Certification in the US. These guys just make it up to make more money off from there customers.Thanks for the reply.
I wouldn't want to try and learn this by myself but I will say $2500-$3500 seems a bit expensive. I fly an Ultralight Sabre Trike and got my training for about $1500 in 2008 but it does seems a bit more now. It does look like they learned in steps which is good. With my Sabre Trike, I think I would have crashed without training, but that's just me.
I agree ! I want to do it but the school near me is 3500 dollars alone .
@@Berkner80, An ultralight is a rigid wing so you don''t have to worry about deflation in gusty wind or wind rotor. Do you still fly it?
I plan to start self- teaching by mastering ground handling.
Hey Mark, I found your site from your comment in Tom's "wheelie cheat bike".
Very nice work, and I love your approach. Well done.
I would add a cheeky observation though - that you didn't just "self-train" but self-trained with a flying partner. That makes a huge difference, to have a buddy against whom to bounce some sanity checks. I say this as someone who followed a similar path. I had done a bit of PG training before, though, plus a few other bits of air experience, a bit like yourself.
So long as you never stop learning, seek proper advice when it's needed, keep a level head on your shoulders, and have a good gut-feeling about what you do, there's nothing wrong with self-training. The motivation and discipline probably make for a better student. The problems start when the above prerequisites are not met! ;)
Happy flying!
PS. Love your RC trike, I've never seen one close up.
Love it, you both are my inspiration
V. Gregg Undercover1566
Thankyou Gregg, we didnt set out to self train we just wanted to practice abit before training but then realised we could do it ourselves lol
Just learn everything you can, practice loads and dont rush it,
Safe flying :) 👍
One problem with self taught is not that you can't get up on your own, but understanding all of the pitfalls so you don't have to experience them first hand. Some of them being fatal. It's worth the education from experienced pilots. I'm not a pilot myself yet, I've got a training session setup in the near future. Just from the phone conversations about training, I've already realized some things from the trainer that I would have never considered. This guy for one has his throttle cable mounted incorrectly which if he let go would get caught up in the prop for example.
Yeah that is very true,
We put in months of research before we flew, i bought the dvd's, books and got as much information off the internet and yt as possible, i actually bought my first paramotor manual about 8 years before i actually bought my parajet 😄
Like you say, anyone who does decide to self train needs a very good understanding of what can go wrong and how to deal with or avoid the problems,
They need a good understanding of how wings work etc and also air law.
I dont recommend people to do what i did but just shows that its possible with enough effort,
The way the training syllabus is at the moment i felt it was more dangerous to go to one of them! My mate went pro training, came from a non aviation background and was in the air on his 3rd visit! nearly crashed on landing and hasnt flown again even though he payed in full
Your completely right...
So were is the love for the sport? Some, "brother flyer" should give him the tip. For less then 3 grand and a weeks vacation from work!!...
I have the money, and i have the time....
Its just trying to get them together at the same time, and get to (lets say Florida) for a week...
Tough !!!!!
Think ill self train too..
@@shanedarden369 At the very least make sure you have someone who does fly and can answer some of those questions you will definitely have that aren't in text books, a PPG2 rated person at least.
@@shanedarden369 i dont really have either of those atm, thats why im considering self training, yes, i could save up a bit more and spend all my money on training or i could get some free advice from people who are actually trying to keep you alive rather than people who pretend they care, all they want is a paycheck
If you want free training just go to capt. Kurt. You find him on youtube but personally, i dont like him. I mean, why does he need a gun on his belt to train students?
10 outta 10 for effort & achievement guys, I hope you keep up with the research & fly safe.
Thankyou we are 👍🏼
you guys are legendary in my book , you probably pist off 95% of the pilot community , lol they hate self trained types for some reason ??? Im addicted to the idea of getting into this , i got the fever bro ...
NOBOX7 😄 yeah they dont seem to like us self trainers much but i couldnt care less to be honest, just gonna keep having fun! lol
Doesnt make pilots angry... They are going about it very methodically and not just jumping straight to flight. My thoughts on training are if someones else's mistakes are available - especially when life is at risk - why not pay a little extra for the knowledge from the get-go.
Training doesnt always guarantee safety. A lot of safety comes from decisions made in the moment.
Its easy to uunderstand why. There is a common etiquette among members which self trained just dont follow. Self trained just go anywhere and do whatever they want, regardless if they get in everyones way putting everyone they come across in danger. Its like handing a small boy a loaded rifle without telling him which way its safe to shoot first. The boy sees a dove in the air, tracks it and starts bustn caps at it. No problem, right? Wrong. The boy is now swinging the gun across people behindthe firing line in his excitement to get the bird.. I quickly left before getting shot by that kid or one of the other people, defending themselves. Thats how self trained are viewed as they dont see how their actions are sometimes putting others in danger.
Yes sir can't wait , plan on 2 -3 monthes of self training ,kite work , then the maiden voyage,,
Many many a days full of stunningly great scenery and meaningful memories! Keep posting videos of your experience please
Daniel D thankyou Daniel 👍
I lost my last video due to faulty memory card, wouldve been a good one aswell lol
Hopefully fly tomorrow as weathers looking good so will post new video after 👍
Great job fellas I find the best way to learn is self taught and TH-cam you learn so much more and save thousands
Right? Monkey see, monkey do.
Awesome!
Great! I am thinking of self training too.
U gave me the motivation, thanks a lot.
Kindly post me the cost of all the gear.
Cheers mate,
Cost was around £8.5k for new gear but can get it for alot less if buying 2nd hand, just buy the best gear you can afford really as the hassles and extra cost of fixing cheap stuff isnt worth it imo and will ruin alot of your potentially great flying days 👍🏼
I want to start flying paramotors but the price is a bit high. There are some schools but they charge more for you to rent their equiptment and they charge even more if you bring your own equipment and they charge less IF you buy their equipment.?.? When a person pays someone to teach them to drive a car they don't charge different prices depending if you use their vehicle, bring your own vehicle or buy one of their vehicles. I understand that there aren't a lot people paramotoring so things are more expensive and if it was cheap there would be too many people in the sky and it would become heavily regulated and quite dangerous BUT the pricing is ridiculous for lessons. Well done men !! Congrats and safe flying.
Thanks dude 👍
Yeah pretty much anything 'aviation' has a big chunk of money put onto it 😄 nomal £2 scooter gaskets become 20 quid gaskets if they're for an aircraft engine which is almost the same thing lol
We didn't self train to save money though really it was just a challenge for us and we knew we could do it if we researched and practiced enough.
The money saving was an added bonus and went towards all the other gear we needed (rack for the car, intercom, etc)
We we're laughed at when the 'community' learnt what we were doing and said we'd spend more in repairs than training, we're both still on our original props and no damage to any gear whatsoever.
Saying that though I can honestly say that I wouldn't recommend self training to anyone else, not knowing anyone else's knowledge or aviation background I couldnt recommend it cus with any flying- stuff can go very bad very quick! :(
I also cant tell anyone not to cus itd be hypocritical, people who want to self train will know if they are or aren't capable, if in any doubt pay for training you really cant put a price on your life 👍
Any more questions just message me :)
Yeah they will charge extra if you use their gear as theyve had to pay for it, maintain and repair it if it gets damaged etc
It's not right if they charge more for using your gear, maybe it's just penalizing you for not buying off them.
Alot of instructors are crooks, you really have to be careful,
I was always told if doing lessons pay for each lesson as you do them because if you block book then someone who turns up paying cash will jump the queue!
Theyve already had your cash so you become less of a priority lol
Terrible really but some are like that
@@mark675
Thanks so much for the response and the advice. I truly appreciate it. I think I will wait a bit and go with the training but if I end up finding a great deal on a PPG, I could end up learning on my own, lol. Thanks again, stay safe brother.
@@mark675
Great advice. Thanks again !!
@@notsosilentmajority1 no worries 👍 good luck with it 😊
I did my PPL years ago after many years of flight sim's and books but no RC couldn't afford them.
I had two instructors a french guy and an OZY and for the most part they just observed me learning to fly and only interjected when I was wrong or things were dangerous.... at the time I thought I was left to myself to much and then I saw how other's were trained with a stiff hand so I confronted them about it.
They told me that on my first preliminary flight they assumed that I had flown before and had checked out my records to see if I'd held and lost a license before for being an ass in the air they also explained that some people can fly and some people have the $$$$.
Yeah when people ask us how long it took to learn i feel like saying 30 years cus thats how long ive been flying in the back of things and learning loads about flying ever since with books, dvds, radio controlled aircraft and other means.
people going for training and being in the air three sessions later to me is alot more dodgy but guess the instructors have their money and the student got to fly so job done! Can see why alot of these students are unconfident and nervous on their first flights away from training its because they feel theyre not ready themselves..
This is awesome. I've been thinking of taking training for ppg but now that I saw this video I'm gonna think of doing it my way and taking my time. Thanks guys 🤗
great vid defiantly looks like it works good learning together i am making a decision at the moment to self train or get lessons i have researched this for the last 2 years i feel like i could self train but were have to see .. just have one question .... if you was to go back in time .. from what you have learned on your journey would you get lesson or self train
Thanks Dan 👍
I wouldnt change anything we did tbh it worked out great 🙂
Not saying it will for everyone but if you take your time and make sure you know what you are doing then there's not reason why not 🙂
Well done lads great job hoping to get into the sport soon 👊🏾
who2509 thankyou :)
Yeah go for it, you wont regret it!
Awesome video guys! I will say, most of the guys who "self train" do it recklessly and without even the most basic knowledge of flight. In FAA FAR103 (which is how we fly legally here in the USA) it specifically states that the self regulation of the sport is governed by the amount of injuries and deaths occurred and that it could change at any time. That is part of the reason why pilots are concerned with proper training. The more deaths and stupid occurrences and injuries sustained as a whole, the more likely it will become regulated for EVERYONE. Just wanted to point that out. Happy flying guys, and great job!
Thankyou :)
Yeah I understand them being miffed about self training but it's perfectly legal,
Although not a great idea for everyone, only the individual knows if they're happy doing it or not and we were :)
Some of the uk paramotor community are beyond pathetic but Its just all good fun for me im not in it for the drama so I just get on with it :)
Thanks for the kind words and stay safe 👍
Mark
@@mark675 Oh yeah, you guys did actual steps and took some time between steps to actually make your way into the air. What you guys did was what I would call, "The right way to self train" if there was a right or wrong way. What I was referring to is the guys who buy a paramotor, and day 1, strap it to their back and start running down a field lol. They are just asking for trouble, and that trouble, whether on the ground or in the air can results in something that most likely could have been prevented with proper instruction since 95% of all injuries and issues are a result of the Pilot and decisions, not the equipment. And ultimately if too many people make bad decisions, it will eventually cost the entire sport to become regulated which nobody wants LOL. These comments aren't really aimed at you guys specifically, they are for everyone else who is reading this since I don't really see anyone else touching on this aspect of the self train or get trained argument, thats all!
@@MediPhorm yeah the people who just buy and fly them dont realise what dangers there are ahead of them, even on the ground these things can be lethal,
I dont think there would ever be any stopping those types of people from doing silly stuff like that but just maybe they will read these comments and think twice 😄
@@MediPhorm i flew my paramotor the first day i got it. Still alive 2 years after
if they were soo worried about your safety.... training would be cheaper. i say good job guys.
Thanks Louie :)
Got 30 flights under our belts now and no damage to prop or anything 👍🏼
27 first time takeoffs and only one trip in long grass which resulted in few lines tangled in prop,
Think weve done ok :)
So true Louie. At my RC club, we all pitch in to help train the noobs for free. Why should this sport be any different? If someone is training you for free it's because they have a passion for the sport and aren't focused on the money they make doing it because there IS no money involved. I would rather teach for free after learning than let someone be totally on their own than watch them stumble and maybe die because their passion exceeded their wallet. I've trained lots of guys to fly RC. Even collective pitch helicopters that I taught myself to fly. Never have I asked for anything in return. I gained a new friend and flying buddy and that's enough for me.
Tell that to CFIs for fixed wing aviation. And the ground school guys. Or how about the scuba instructors? That's technically self regulated as well.
Training would be cheaper....
Swear to god.... i think the same thing...
Unless they are trying to limit the amount of yahoo's getting into the sport, by pricing them out...( make it more of an elite thing)
I think you may previous experience of some other type of flying. ? Flexwings or hang gliding? If not then it’s amazing that you achieved this and keeps the spirit of the first aviators going. Good on you.
Thankyou :)
Yeah I pretty much grew up in the back of my dads flexwing microlight from 8 years old onwards,
Used to love doing the preflight checks with him and stuff so was pretty much ingrained into me that "you can't just pull over in the sky like you can with a car" lol
He built a flexwing from scratch when i was 12 and I was 'helping' him so learned alot from that,
over the years I've been up in cessnas, and had a few lessons in a microlight and an autogyro,
Think it was all the knowledge that was passed onto me from my dad and his flying mates that has made the biggest difference though,
Thanks for the nice comment, I appreciate it 👍
mark675 , I’ve got 20 hours on flexwings, a few in gliders and a couple on Ikarus C42 but at £135 an hour it’s going nowhere so I’ve got a full paramotor course booked for September, I just want to potter about locally when the weather is good, not drive 30 miles to get the flexwing out the hangar . Your video really encouraged me, I thought they were were flimsy and prone to collapses but seems they’re pretty safe wishing the specified flight envelope. Thanks.im gonna go through all your vids now
@@thpxs0554 yeah I started microlight lessons too but as you said, the travelling to the airfield (which are quite far away)
The hangarage or trailering /rigging and breaking down every flight put me off abit, ill be honest i still prefer microlights especially for takeoff and landing but paramotors are so much fun, I bought it for the same reason you mentioned- seing the sights and chilling out on calm days,
The danger of collapse is always there but its such a very small chance if you are flying in the right conditions that it isnt really worth worrying about, modern wings are pretty safe :)
The small costs and only needing a small field to takeoff and land in is a big bonus of paramotors and why so many people are being drawn to them, best of luck with the training you will love it :)
You did awesome!! Especially on the takeoff, you nailed it by just running forward and not looking up and back for the wing!!👍👍
Thanks :)
Only mistake i made was not pulling brakes once i got up to takeoff speed which meant i was carrying alot of speed across the ground, then as i came unstuck i shot up pretty quickly causing me to back off the throttle 😄
the next one was loads better :)
mark675 looked solid to me, wing stayed 90 degrees and not right above you👍! Throttle was right on! Keep it up man!! All it takes is common sense bro!! The Wright Brothers flew frick’n airplanes without training, and I wouldn’t dare pay someone thousands of dollars, just to learn paramotoring!! When people charge that much for training, it’s all about greed and not for the love of the sport!
@@junkdiggersjunkremoval1404 that is very true :)
I knew i could teach myself as well as any instructor could teach me, it took more time but i dont see that as a bad thing.
Ive done over 40 flights now and have launched 1st time on all but 2 of them (both of them ones 2nd try) and most with nil wind so must be doing something right 😄👍🏼
Just get as much knowledge as you can and practice loads :) good luck 👍🏼
mark675 Thanks buddy!! Same to you! I plan on getting a paramotor by next year. Right now I’m working on my business and getting that moving along. Who knows, if things work out, maybe this year I’ll get one! Safe flying brother🤙🏻
@@junkdiggersjunkremoval1404 thanks mate fingers crossed for ya 👍🏼😁
On the PC and saw "Self training" in the title.... Made myself a drink a moved to the 70". This oughtta be interesting
omg wow that was breath takingly awesome you lot have done what I plan to do and I want a parajet as well man awesome was it hard learning and what was the biggest thing you learnt or most important thing and did you have any scary dangerous moments etc??? awesome guys this has inspired me wow
dal Be careful man. Take it steady. Self training takes longer than instruction. Get a friend to walk you through the first flight. Its quite a mind blowing experience.
Lots of common sense here - the progression was well staged - this is good approach to self taught. I would watch a thousand crash videos before I self taught, just to see why things go wrong.. and learn as much as possible from other people's mistakes.
Thankyou 👍
This video is just the parts we got footage of aswell, there was three months of training, theory and practical before we felt ready to fly 🙂
Watching crash videos is definately a great way of learning how most accidents happen and what to avoid doing yourself,
been flying 5 years now and still on original prop so we did something right 😄
Thanks for the nice comment 👍
There are power lines on take off route, you got to be careful guys..Safety first...!!!
They are about half a mile away.. 😂
That was amazing,yous were well prepared and went about it sensably ,I would love one of these flying machines ,every flight is a training flight even if you been up in the air a thousand times you can't buy experience and you won't get much at a 5 day training school for 1.5 grand they just filling there pockets with cash your cash that could buy you reserve chute ,float system GPS radio all the safety features that will save you good on you guys i.m so jealous happy flying I can imagine you still be on paramotor in 30 years time
Thanks mate :) yeah we learnt over about 3 months what they cram into their short lessons, we already had a good knowledge of flight but as you said exerience is the aim without killing yourself in the process 😄
I dont regret what we did for a second, teaching ourselves was great fun especially the hill towing :)
You should get one it really is an amazing sport even as an outcast self trainer 😂😉
4 years ago,... hmm,... you should make a note in a self-training.
1. Train without the motor on first until you are comfortable. Make sure you understand what is brake and how to use it.
2. Buy yourself an altimeter and learn the height limit you could get in the area. Don't fly too high, there is a plane and helicopter. Don't fly too low, you need to protect people safety first.
3. Once you are familiar to take off and landing without the motor or engine on. Now, you can use the engine. Learn how to use it first.
Absolutely correct,
Definately need to practice ground handling the wing first,
Maybe then try some smallish hill gliding or towing (not with vehicles) so can get a feel of the wing in flight,
Then get used to the thrust of the engine on your back without being attached to the wing,
Then put it all together 😎
Definately need to do as much research about weather, airspace, wing aerodynamics etc as possible too.
Flying is highly unforgiving so needs to be done as safe as possible 🙂👍
@@mark675 Woah, I never thought you would reply to my comment. Can you give me a recommendation for the wingspan (what do you call it?) that I should use if my weight is 55 - 60 kg? I had read from www.flyozone.com/paramotor/products/gliders/freeride that at least 14 meters long. But, if it is recommended, I want to take 16 meters. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure about the length but I'm sure that I have to spend most of my money on the glider (wing?). I don't want to cheap it and risk my safety.
@@frostsmaker8966 it all depends on the weight of your paramotor unit, fuel, anything you're carrying etc.
All wings will have a weight range, some paraglider only (pg) some paramotor (ppg) and some can do both and will have a weight range for them depending on what you are using it for.
Make sure you are (or will be) towards the upper limit of the weight range, its not a good idea to be lightly loaded on a wing that's too big for you 👍
@@mark675 I never thought that, you are so helpful thanks. So, I have to measure my weight with the engine, fuel, etc first. Okay. I just watch some people running so far and the glider doesn't seem to have enough lift. :D
@@frostsmaker8966 you're welcome 🙂
Yeah get your all up weight (minus the glider) and aim for the top end of the weight range = your size wing :)
I'm around 95kg and have a size 28 wing, my paramotors about 35-40kgs + fuel (8-10kg)
Horrible take offs! Same error twice! Lucky to still have your propeller in one piece!
Adam Ladd dont you think he knows that?
His takeoffs are fine now and we're both still on original props
Glad to hear it!
Just wondering how long did it take before you were confident enough to take flight with the paramotor? Great vid 👍🏻
Thanks kristian, it was about 3 months for me but i had years of previous experience in light aviation and have been into aircraft since i was a kid so had a good understanding of how wings work etc so that 3 months might vary for others depending on their experience, knowledge ability etc 👍🏼
mark675 thanks bud
Thanks for sharing 🍸
I've probably watched this video 10 times, Awesome!
Lol thankyou, its a shame we didnt get much footage of our training really but i suppose what we got is better than nothing :)
We really enjoyed the training it was great fun building up to the first flight 👍🏼
That dog is a staffy isn't it? I recognize that bark anywhere 😁
Na it was a labrador 😄👍🏼
Man i need me some of this. Looks awesome
I'd love to get into this but even if I gave up motorcycle riding ( 35 + years worth ) I'd struggle to purchase a good bit of kit & the thieving sods want 6 k for training here in NZ,I'd need around 20 k to do this 😢😢
They do charge way too much for training, we were going to pay but after buying a training wing and practicing (after alot of research) we decided to just do it ourselves :)
After all, if their students can go from zero to in the air after 3 training days then im sure our 3 months of self training and our previous aviation experience is enough.
I would never advise anyone to train themselves as everyones different and have different abilities/knowledge etc but its really not as hard as they make it out to be,
What it definately IS though is unforgiving.
I payed £5.5k for the brand new parajet v3,
£2k for the wing (second hand but like new)
200 quid for training wing.
With absolutely everything, helmets, flying suit, strobes etc it was probably around £9k
Running costs are like running a scooter, can fly for an hour for around £6 😂
If you are serious about trying it id definitely shop around abit cus there are some crooks out there who are only interested in your money,
Good luck and let me know if you have more questions 👍
@@mark675 oh yes I hear you man about being unforgiving,in my eye's there must be no mistakes ever & that's a big ask,I'm self taught with motorcycles but it was small steps & mistakes were made & it hurts alot but I'm not 500 feet + in the air with a bike but make an error at 180 mph it's your last,thankyou for your advice,I still want one though ☺
fantastic real achievement well done!
cheyenne2 thankyou :)
Great Job, just remember to keep running, you want to set down a little to soon....
In the comments you say "a fair bit about flight in general". Can you expound a bit more on your prior experience? I've been thinking this over quite a bit because I've fielded a lot of questions about that very subject since I started posting my own journey. That's to say, "Where is a good entry point for others transitioning from other forms of aviation?" I think it's best to advise on an individual basis, but I see a flood of crossover pilots coming soon, especially in the U.S. With all of the content and documentation being posted on the subject in the past few months interest in para has exploded. A light sport pilot, someone that soloed back in the 1980's? new private pilot, or someone with 450 hours? I wonder where the cut off is.
YankeeinSC1 I grew up with microlights, been going in the back of my dads since i was about 8 years old, had a lesson when i was 18 and another one since, had couple of lessons in cessna and an autogyro.
Have been into rc flying for nearly 10 years building my own including the first fully scale electric, fpv, and nitro microlight model, this took a hell of alot of research and understanding flying physics and aerodynamics.
Have been fascinated with flight a huge part of my life amd am glad to now be able to put it into practice for real :)
I try not to encourage people to self train as alot can go wrong and go wrong bad but i also think if they feel they cam do it and have the knowledge and natural ability then why not :)
I think im gonna keep it under 10,000 feet my first flight friend but wow im supersized it got of the ground with the large brass balls on board
I assume you mean to say 1000ft he was nowhere near 10k from any clips I noticed here. That said, altitude is safety, 1k is not very high. Definitely feel free to go up to 1-2k and spend some quality time getting used to the wing before coming down and landing.
Phenomenal! Did you ever get any formal training? I think training is overrated to LOL
Lol na I didnt get any formal training,
I grew up around aviation though and went in my dads microlight from a young age so had a good knowledge of flying, checking stuff, weather etc.
Some trainers are 100% in it just for the money, no question!
I cant speak for all of them though as in the uk we have a few great instructors (Clive Mason for one)
These instructors have a genuine passion for flying and want people to be safe after they finish their lessons, others want you in and out as quick as poss to get money off the next poor sucker.
The training /self training argument all comes down to what experience people have previously,
It's not just the flying- which in calm conditions is fairly easy, conditions can change very quick and become extremely challenging which is why you need a decent knowledge of weather and how it affects you.
People also need some engine/mechanical knowledge.
The thing that cant be taught is common sense so even after training some people are still lethal 😄
@@mark675 great stuff thanks! I do have a fixed-wing pilot's license so feel I'm a little bit ahead of the game, the wings seem to act just like what they're called wing, same as an airplane with the same characteristics of flight for the most part. So I think I have a little bit of knowledge, I've flown stunt kites and power kites for years so I got a little bit of powerzone knowledge on the Wind so I think my kiting would be okay. My plan is to do a lot of groundwork, and then either have someone I meet at the para motor field help me get up for the first couple times, or take a lesson kind of a la carte on my first flight. The problem is Lee equipment I want to buy, the dealer won't sell to me unless I have formal training set up! Kind of sucks.
@@johnk12345100 ah you've got an even better knowledge than me then, you'll be absolutely fine :)
Yeah flight characteristics will be different as you are a pendulum way below the wing but as you say- it's still a wing so can still stall /tip stall etc.
It's good news about the powerkite experience aswell, alot of people say they are totally different which they obviously are but I do it aswell and it definitely helped me alot with my kiting, inflating it again after its collapsed etc.
Its a shame they wont sell you gear but maybe just buy 2nd hand for now.
I'd definately say hooking up with an experienced pilot for the first flight is a good idea and buy all the DVDs and books available :)
Are you in the US?
@@mark675 yes I'm in the US, North Carolina, there's a field about an hour away that paramotors go to, but it seems like a lot of trikes, definitely going to hang out there for a couple of days before I do anything as far as buying a kite, and then the paramotor, thanks for the info!
@@johnk12345100 yeah good idea john, will learn alot just sitting and watching and talking to some pilots,
Good luck with it :)
nice job guys
Awesome, I sooo want to learn this.
Get on it mate its amazing :)
Did you have trouble buying equipment without training?
I didn't but I bought a second hand wing (30hrs on it) and a brand new v3 unit off parajet.
Tbh from what people have been saying then I dont think parajet would of sold me one if they knew but at the time I was actually going to go for training so i didn't lie :)
I missed out on an offer they had on at the time that if you bought a new wing and unit off them you got free training,
Although I did save a grand on the wing and £1k- 1.5k on training so didnt do too bad :)
Doesn't that 3 blade prop produce more torque to have to deal with?
Well done! More proof you can teach yourself anything if do the research first and have the correct mindset. Im from Redditch, any chance i can turn up and watch when you next fly? Im very curious, I promise ill just watch and keep quiet! Pleeeeease.
danielz you can come have a look around the gear no problem at all mate, drop me a message
How did you buy the equipment? Many vendors will not sale to you unless you have proper training via a USPPA trainer.
Solara Solarwind well some people live outside of the USA
@@mark675 woah wait there more to the world then just america
@@dill5500 im afraid so! Lol
Wow, that second landing was picture perfect! I hope I do that well!!
Thanks yeah that was a great landing i think he was proud of that one, i would of been lol
Are you self training?
@@mark675 Yeah, unfortunately. I would rather be training under a professional, but there aren't any around here and I don't have the option of getting to one right now, so for now, I'll use an abundance of caution and learn as much as I can, beforehand, from Tucker Gott and Aviator PPG.
@@canamm fair enough :) maybe make a video on here of your learning curve as you go along and people will offer advice etc 👍🏼
Nice. I self trained too.
Hi! I'm thinking about getting into paramotoring and considering self-training. Do you need someone with you? Can you train on your own? How long did it take you to learn? Where do you get the learning material? Sorry for so many questions!! 😊
Those are reflex wings, so it’s a 2 step flare process.
One of them is, the roadster 2,
The spark isnt
@@mark675 Hey Mark, nice video mate. How do the Roadster and Spark compare to each other when learning and the after - once you got more experience? Cheers.
@@FreedomQuestAdventures thanks Louis :) speedwise- flying next to eachother the roadster 2 seems to be the same speed at slow trim as the spark is at fast trim setting so is the difference between being 'paraparked' into a headwind on the spark and actually being able to still cover ground on the roadster just by letting the trims out.
The roadster inflates so well too and launches easy with the trims at neutral.
Only thing i would say for the spark that could be considered an advantage for a total beginner would be the lack of tip steering (so simpler) and maybe the shorter trim adjustment but this would only be a benefit for the first few flights, you would soon want to upgrade to a faster wing with these features.
In my opinion the roadster 2 is a great beginner/intermediate wing and i would recommend it to anyone :)
@@mark675 thanks for the reply.
@@FreedomQuestAdventures no worries hope it helped 👍🏼
Do you think the more people do it the faa and caa will put a licence on it and bring in big regs and charge the crap out of the hobby
I dont know, its possible if people start hurting themselves and other people, otherwise i doubt theyll care from what ive heard from people 'in the loop'
mark675 it’s not the people who love the hobby it’s the drone type idiot that brought that to its knees !
All over a sudden little men in yellow jackets popped up as professional drone pilots .
wow never thought it was possible great work bros
Thankyou ☺
he sounds like someone was instructing him?
Some professional local pilots offered to watch over our first flight,
last minute we decided to give them one of the intercoms so we could chat.
We did all our training ourselves but when someone offers to look over your first flight it'd be silly to not accept, especially when they have a huge field too 😄 👍🏼
mark675 right that’s impressive. I did this all myself start to finish. I always like to see others set that example.
I don’t document it much though I should do really.
@@LITTLEEXPERIMENTCHANNEL1 yeah get some videos up :)
We didnt set out to train ourselves but just sort of went that way lol
This video looks abit bad really as i didnt capture alot of footage of our training, most of the clips here were the first time we'd tried something lol we didnt move on till we had it second nature :)
Safe flying mate ill sub you back 👍🏼
hello guys ! please can you tell me the weight of parajet , I would like buy the same but I'm afraid how heaviness of it , thanks by advance !
Richard furlong parajet say the v3 is 26 kg dry but with fuel weight aswell its up around mid to high 30's id guess, definately not the lightest paramotor but i love how robust it is and the build quality :)
Hi buddy..nice video.by the way how do I go about learning to fly
Thanks :)
Id start by finding out where the nearest school is and start revising from videos and books till you are bored of reading/watching the same thing 😄
Theres a fair bit to learn in this sport to keep you safe (weather being the main one) flying the paramotor is the easy part 😁👍🏼
Ha you showed me young man, well done. 😁
Nice job boys 👍🏻
I wish you would left link for purchase all equipment
Just go on the parajet website, mines the volution3 (v3) and ozone site for the roadster2 although the roadster 3 is out now.
Old Training wing was bought from flybubble in the uk.
Mmmm running towards the trees ?
I wasnt taking off was i.. 🙄
The engines sounds like its four stroking ,do you know what i mean
Which one? The v2 or v3?
Maybe cus it was the 2nd time it had been started and was rich with oil?
thanks for sharing
abdul hakim no problem Abdul 👍
How did you know what equipment to buy like motor and stuff ? I'm 240 lbs so I have no clue .also kite?
GOOD question. too bad he didn't answer it.
@@beezytalkingshit9319 sorry I havent had notifications of some of these comments for some reason.
I phoned parajet and had a long chat about gear size etc they were very helpful.
I got recommended the moster 185 plus by parajet but warned off it on the forums cus too much power for beginners, I say as long as you have good throttle control and don't just pin it then its a brilliant engine :)
Also I'm 15 stone and am a size 28 ozone roadster 2.
I wouldn't recommend a size to anyone else tbh so better to look on the wing manufacturers site or phone them and ask 👍
Wow...sketchy take offs! Second guy was lucky he didn't eat the ground with the prop..too much oscillation!
jeepnmike787 yup thats my mate, he knows this was close, his ones since then have been good,
Look at my more recent videos,
28 takoffs and 25 first time,
One trip in long grass but no other sketchy ones
what kind of gear do you have? the motor specifically?
Charles Howard parajet v3, ozone roadster 2 wing, moster 185 engine
good on you for self training but for goodness sake know about the rules of the air and controlled airspaces, unless you are already a pilot..
i cant wait to get going myself.
Louie Stinson you'll love it! there really is no feeling like it :)
Thumbs up guys. Keep at it.
Thanks mate still loving it :)
Well done guys. Would love to do it. :)
Thankyou, you should do it its amazing 👍🏼
GREAT!!!
EAR TO EAR OVER HERE LOL
Holy crap you got mega altitude on your first flight lol. I was self trained to the first flight. I had a local guy help me up. Taught myself everything up to that point. I did it the same way you did with a hand tow line and shit loads of kiting. It can be done but it needs the right mind-set. Not everybody can or should self-train for it. Most people should go full instruction.
Oliver Lewin well done Oliver great achievement👍 youll get plenty of haters for going it alone but fuck em we can probably fly better than half of them lol
Yeah i wanted to get up abit and practice with the steering and stuff, was a nice view too 😂
Safe flying bud ill subscribe to your channel 👍
mark675 Its took me a fair while. Way longer than proper training would have done. But that was one of my reasons. I learned at my pace and flew when I felt I was ready. Really looking forward to going up next.
Oliver Lewin yeah thats what its all about mate, take your time, practice and learn all you can, its a great sense of achievment and the 1500 quid saving is just a bonus 👍safe flying mate
LOL WAAAAAAAAY TO HI. but it worked so good on him lol. but like at that height he got some balls lol
The danger is not the altitude he got to. It's when your near the ground is what counts as long as you chose good air to fly in the air don't hurt. It's the ground that does. But these guys seem to have done a fair amount of ground training to be good with it.
Horrible weather were you live.
Snowing today 😂☃️
I was watching this vid and 3 mins or more these guys have the motor on there back and Reving it . I think to my self that ( these guys are never going to get off the ground without a chute over there head ! LOL 😝
Lol 😂😂 yeah we hadnt learnt about the wing part at that point 🤣
Para manda para o Brasil preço de um Paramotor completo com Asa reseva quanto ficaria
Sorry I only speak English Marcos
CONGRATS!
Was thinking I could throw together a leaf blower and the old lady’s bra and I’ve have a decent rig 😂
Give it a go 😂
you lads still flying.,?
Yeah still loving it :)
I put couple of new videos up today 👍🏼
omg , were peas in the same pod, only difference, Im literally on my own, so to be fair , i become a victim of the " professional " scaremongering, " do you think ground handling and motor practice for two years is long enough to wait .lol,.Im about ready to go up myself very soon , self trained too
@@clubsnapperuktheyll try scare you out of it, in some ways i can see why, it all depends what type of person you are and what your abilities and knowledge are like,
It can be a dangerous sport but funny enough it seems more dangerous before you leave the ground with that big arm mincer behind you 😄
Just make sure you get very clued up with everything, the flying parts not too hard but small mistakes can be very bad (using brakes when you should be hands up for example) gaining very good knowledge of airspace and weather too and you'll be fine.
Where abouts in uk are you?
WOW your crazy lol i thought you was gonna go up for a minute and land lol
NOBOX7 Lol na ive waited to do that for ages, wanted to make the most of it 😂
Nice but why aren’t u in seat ur feet just dangling
Great job guys! Teamwork! It worked! They say a newbie needs training. I say who trained the first guy? Nobody.
Thanks Bill :)
Yeah exactly 👍🏼
Love it, looking to self train myself to 👍
Go for it :) just take your time 👍🏼
Well done gents this was very responsible self training. Now use the money you saved and take an SIV course.
I'm not sure if "very responsible" and "Paramotor Self-Training" belong in the same sentence. That said, at the very least he should have been wearing a helmet starting at 1:50 -- If you fall backwards for whatever reason, do not expect that netting to protect your head from hitting that giant food-processor behind your back. I have a Parajet Maverick, I love it, but I have foolishly (forgetfully) started it on my back without my helmet once or twice. That's definitely something they teach in PPG training (well, my instructors taught that at least: Helmet is always required gear.).
vaprex so you're giving us a lecture but you forgot to put a helmet on twice? Whats next? Forgetting your leg straps?
You do know trainers are just people who decided to train other people? Doesnt mean theyre actually good at it.
Ive watched some videos on here and some of them massively over complicate alot of stuff amd let people do their first flights when theyre not even ready.
vaprex some people self teach because they can, some can't. It's usually the people that can't that preach "professional" training. For a professional such as yourself "forgetting" to wear a helmet is a no no. I wonder what other mistakes you have made?
First of all: I'm not a professional - I'm a student. And the difference is that I *recognize* that it actually *was* a mistake. Others without professional training don't seem to grasp that. My trainer is an experienced pilot with over 40 years flight experience. If you want to throw your life into the skies on a flying lawnchair mounted with a prop spinning at 6000rpms with no training other than watching TH-cam videos, go for it... It boggles my mind that people think it's a stupid waste of time and money to get training from those who have countless hours of experience. Best of luck to you if you don't.
vaprex im almost 40 flights in now and still learning but the learning curve was no different to the professional training one, in my case i wouldnt even say it was more risky, it just took longer but as everyone knows thats not a bad thing at all, trainers sending students into the air after 3 lessons now thats dumb
They only showed how they learned to take off and land. Thankfully, they didn't experience that torque twist because it can slam a new pilot face first into the ground. I wanted to self teach until I saw this because in training, what keeps you alive is all the little things they teach you like, controlling the wing. Still, nice try and it did show they can get in the air. I pray they don't have any bad things come up in flight that training didn't catch.
This isnt all we learnt, this is just what i captured on video which wasnt alot really and most of it was the first time we tried something.
I already knew what to do if i get torque twist so i wasnt concerned at all about it,
Training is more likely to cause you to get torque twist as they yell "FULL POWER, FULL POWER" on takoff,
Doing that with a moster 185 isnt a great idea,
power can get you in trouble so you only use what you need to, they cant teach you to feel what is happening and increase or reduce power as needed as that comes with previous knowledge and experiences so its 'full power, cruise power or kill it'
If you feel you need training then go for it i hope you do well :)
i chose not to and now have around 60 flights, 58 first time takoffs and still on the original propeller, not many trained pilots can say that.
It just made me a little nervous seeing him sorta list back and forth. Great job btw! I want to learn myself but keep listing on the decision to. I have a friend that goes but can never remember to call me so I gave up on him.
@@ranman58635 yeah bens takeoffs werent great and he wont mind me saying cus he knows himself 😄
I would only self train if you have previous flight experience and alot of knowledge, any doubts then get training 👍🏼
I didnt set out to self train, i just bought an old wing to practice before i booked my training up, the more we practiced and the more we read/watched videos etc the less we felt training was needed so we did our first flight with some local pilots just so they could make 100% sure we were doing everything right
@@mark675 awesome! Well you are the first guy to encourage me that way. I was thinking of just getting a practice wing too but maybe a 16 to start. Like a kite I guess. I do a lot of research as well and I'm confident that I have skill. I'm a natural with respect to having great reflexes and I'm quick to correct. I may just go solo. The first guys had to learn and set the standards. I just figured they knew from experience and can teach me more than I can learn on my own and hopefully not kill myself in the process. I'm certain I can learn on my own but the experience is something I value too. I'm learning from you now.
@@ranman58635 buying an old wing is 100% the best thing to do cus i didnt want to wreck my ozone dragging it round a muddy field 😄
And yeah the instructors can obviously teach you without you learning the hard way, flying is very unforgiving to mistakes but with enough time practicing, researching and listening to other pilots then its 100% possible to fly without formal training.
Make sure you buy the paramotor bible and the instructional dvd's (risk & reward and various others)
And understand fully about how wings fly, how torque affects you and very important to learn about weather, airlaw and airspace,
Its so rewarding to do it all on your own though :) 👍🏼
Hey!! Well done..
john wheatley thanks john 👍
do you need license in uk ?
No, no license required but training is highly recommended 😄👍
Thank you 👍Like your videos
thank you
I almost booked the training but now im heading down to the field solo instead...easy.
@ 7:38 of the video did I see a POWER LINE ? THATS A DANGEROUS PLACE TO PARAGLIDE LET ALONE TRAIN !
abdul hakim its further away than it looks, its a massive field
Plently of room before the powerline
Next up, “Teach yourself surgery” series.
No that would be hard, this was easy , alot easier than some people make it look 😂👍
Nice job u guys
BlackdogFPV Thanks :)
Self taught, 1st flight coming up and just ordered two jet engines to mount on the lower edge of my. I hope to stay under 85, 000 feet first time out. Also they have a great deal on tin foil helmets that have propellers on top and holds the reserve chute inside. The wing has butterfly wings embedded within for light weight and natural flight characteristics!. I'll be filming with a new Brownie!
Dont forget to fill your wing with helium balloons, it will prevent it from collapsing and give you extra lift 👍
Good luck 🤞
Towing so dangerous
Can be, but not the way we were doing it
Hi
Have u face book
Na I'm not on facebook anymore
Good job.
carl mcgee thanks Carl 👍🏼
Y’all needed a 4-wheeler ATV to do the towing!!
Its way more dangerous doing towing with a vehicle, it can be done but the risks go up alot
LIVE AND LEARN OR LEARN AND LIVE...........................
TONYPARAMOTOR definately learning loads 😁
JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO AGIAN WELL DONE TO ALL ;0)
TONYPARAMOTOR cheers Toný 👍 all the best mate
MARK FLYING IS LIKE LIFE ALWAYS LEARNING.. THERE B GOOD DAYS AND THERE B BAD DAYS. LIVE AND LEARN OR LEARN AND LIVE.
TONYPARAMOTOR absolutely,im still learning with all the other sports i do, some ive been doing 20 odd years and still learning new things 👍
i'm impressed
Thankyou :)
from Birmingham Alabama
Sorry Mark, but you guys really NEED some training and criticking to hone your skills and reflexes.
Mike Brady how did your first flight go mike?
without trying to be arrogant look at my other videos, our takeoffs are better than alot of trained pilots, ive done 14 flights now and have done first time takeoffs with 13 of them..
Mike Brady also dont forget i said i had limited footage of our self training, alot of this footage is the first time we had tried a certain part so obviously we didnt move on from it till we got pretty good at it
mark675 I think what hes trying to say is: Don't promote self training on TH-cam. And I totally agree, it's just unnecessarily dangerous.
Postghost im not promoting it, read the video discription.
All ive said is its possible which it is if you go about it the right way. I wouldnt actually recommend it to 99% of people but if they are naturally talented, take the time to learn and practice and are abit of a risk taker then why not?
Id rather teach myself than go with kurt fister is that classed as training??
Good job guys,and here come the trainers wanting there money. Overpriced training!!!!!!!
madness. get some training!
Na we're ok thanks mum
How about training me ;)
Oo you dont want me to train you, the ppg 'community' wont like you 😂😂
Self training. An oxymoron if i ever heard one. You cant teach what you dint know.
All you guys who think trai ning is exorbitant, how much have you spent on wrecked gear trespassing fines and broken bones, if youre still with us?
You must be new to this..
I'm 6 years in and still on my original prop! No fines, no accidents, definately no trespassing fines?!
So take your righteous opinion and stick it up your ass