I’m a bit disappointed in the lack of major service changes to the Milton line since it goes through the middle of the most populous suburb of Toronto, but other than that I’m really looking forward to Toronto’s RER, I was really impressed by Paris’. I can’t wait to be able to use GO and Hurontario LRT to get around, instead of having to drive to port credit to use Lakeshore West.
Just wanted to let you know that the original Go line west only went as far as Oakville. Nigara falls is pretty new and has only 2 trains daily between Union station and Niagara falls. Half hour service is between Aldershot and union.
My ex-fatherinlaw worked on Go in the early 70s. He told me the original plan was to have weekday trains running as far as Belleville by the early 80s.. However federal government funds went to support increased service for Via Rail instead.
Amazing to see the scale and vision on display here. Wires and frequency massively boost ridership in time with 4tph being the basic provision for large scale uptake of public transport. Looking at the grade separations it’s clear the ambition is to go even further post 2025. Fantastic to see!
I go to Munich a lot. They have something called the S-Bahn train which is their regional train. It is affordable, efficient, and connects all towns to Munich. It's a shame how much our public transit in the GTA pales in comparison with those in European cities.
Toronto is better than other cities, and it's worse than other cities. It can be frustrating when you see the potential for better, but that's just the way it is sometimes
LOL. You could fit most, if not all, European countries into the province of Ontario & many of those countries have larger populations than Canada. You can't have what they have unless you have the population & tax base to support it.
Im 11 i just moved from Port credit to St cathrines and its so frustratinh not having that 15-30 min service. I am a transit enthuisast and love door chimes and train models!!
There was talk of GO expanding to Peterboro along the Havelock Line and then up the Richmond Hill to the new GO Station at Bloomington off the 404. From there I heard that GO might be looking at expanding to Mout Albert, Pefferlaw, Beaverton, Brechin to Washago with an out terminus there to store consists and maintenance facility.
I Hope they do build the line (Based on the Fallen GO ALRT ) and combine it with eLTE Wireless Metro Communication Based Technology (as it was done in Zhengzhou in China but this time under Ted Rogers Communications) and also include platform edge doors and make all the stations on that line large enough to include in-station retailers outside the paid areas
I believe there was a line in the past that did that. It was called the Orangeville Brampton Railway or the OBRY line. Its recently been decommissioned and will be turned into a trail. Perhaps for good reason, as I believe I read somewhere that trains could only reach a max. speed of 40 km/h on that line, which is not good performance in the twenty first century. I actually have some footage of trains along that line which I'll have to upload to TH-cam one day, I guess for its historical value and for the viewing pleasure of other railfans.
The Go network looks good on a map but the service quality is pretty poor. This upgrade looks great and long overdue but they could/should do even more. The whole network should be double tracked and electrified at least, and they should build their own tracks where possible instead of sharing with CN. Also, it would be great to see them expand to Brantford one day, or have the Via Rail service improve to there. My wife is from Paris Ontario and it is shocking how poor a service they get to Toronto in what is fast becoming a growing commuter town.
Nah they should loot everything away from CN and throw the freight cars into the melting pot to melt them for more metal to build new rolling stock, rust and all
Kitchener Line should add more ride going to Kitchener instead of focusing on ridership going to Toronto. Kitchener is booming, Guelph is a manufacturing hub. I feel like that’s the reason why the ridership of this line is so low coz the focus is going to Toronto when a lot of people from Rockwood, Acton & Guelph are working in Kitchener and vise-versa. If you are going to commute from Guelph to Kitchener-Waterloo, it will take you a 2-hour bus ride when it is only 25kms away from each other.
The some of the biggest road blocks in the "rer expansion" I would guess is 1. If you stand at Port Credit Station During rush hour, even with three tracks, it's quite congested and trying to manage local and express services (possibly both ways) along with more via rail trips and and cn rail freight to and from the oakville ford plant to aldershot yard. It will create massive headaches during even minor delays. Eletrcation will sure help with faster acceleration and braking on the main line. 2. Union Station is really congested during the peak hours. Although the current 1930s interlocking system is getting computerized, slow speeds don't help when you already have a full train leaving every 90 seconds. (And the empty deadhead movments) 3. Although a new maintenance filacity is almost done in whitby, it's quite far away from union so it will only serve the purpose of heavy maintenance. Also the plans for "east harbor" will close the don yard about a mile east of union. So only the bathurst yard will remain near union. Willowbrook yard is exceeding Capacity. All these complications will just make things more complicated to pull trains for maintenance and put them back in service when needed.
@@alexanderip1003 The Siemens Charger only just barely qualifies as high speed with its maximum speed, which it realistically won't be traveling at most of the time due to poor rail infrastructure, etc.
You did forget to mention that the Lakeshore East line is getting quaddrupaled tracked through to Scarboro. Because of this, Danforth Station is being rebuilt to the east, with the the main entrance at the foot of Dawes Rd. - two stoplights east of Main St. The entrance off of the Main St. bridge and the Main Street Community Center drop-off area will still be there, as will the underground access tunnel, just that passengers will have to walk a bit further to the westbound platform.
No electrification or frequent two way service for the Milton line. Sigh. While we’re at it, how about following the Toronto Board of Trade recommendation to run a line to Orangeville.
Line Colours used for GO Transit Lakeshore West-Dark Red Lakeshore East-Light Red Kitchener-Dark Green (To Contrast TTC Line 2's Light Green) Milton-Dark Yellow Richmond Hill-Light Blue Barrie-Dark Blue Stouffville-Brown
Great video explaining this network. It takes $billions to make it all come together and years of planning and construction. However there is one key ingredient missing in the network. A GO link along the entire CN Halton Subdivsion from Pickering to Brampton and down to Burlington. That would complete a circuitous network around Toronto linking all the GO spokes from Union Station. That would allow easy transfer between Oshawa, Richmond Hill, Markham, Vaughan, Brampton, Mississauga and Burlington ( with a connection to Pearson) without first going to Union Station. How about doing that as the next phase of the plan for 2035. If I want to go from Barrie to Brampton, forget it. Take the car as it is a long trip by Go.
I find it extremely doubtful that the mentioned lines will be electrified by 2025. I hope that they will, but I just can't see how that could happen. We haven't even got the full double tracking done yet, although it's on the way, and the Davenport Flyover is just grass scraping and ground markers so far as I could see. QUESTION. When these inner routes are electrified with full service, what will the diesels from outer areas do ? Will they discharge passengers across platform to faster express, electric trains to Union Station, or will the slower, stinky diesels still go express all the way to Union Station unelectrified ?? ! Aarre Peltomaa (railfan since childhood, living in Mississauga, Ontario).
I now live on Vancouver Island but used to live in Toronto. Looking at this video makes me a little homesick...just a little.😉 Anyway we have a single rail line that runs from Victoria to Nanaimo and further to Courtney...at least it did until 2011. The track has since fallen into disrepair and, although fox go on about repairing it I'm afraid it's simply not going to happen. That leads me to the topic of the Toronto to Peterborough CP line. It travels on the regular CP line t from North Toronto's to Leaside to the Agincourt yard where it branches off to the northeast. Is that line beyond repair? If not it would seem to be an "automatic" part of GO expansion. What's the deal?
I wonder if Go Transit Lakeshore West can have all four 4 tracks after Mimico go station to all the way to Aldershot instead of shortened to 3 from after Mimico go station into 4 tracks thatway outer each line can have making all stops stations and inner two tracks are for ONLY EXPRESS GO TRANSIT AND VIA RAIL TRAINS TO USE AND ONE IN ONLY AMTRACK TO USE I hope you know what I am saying right?!. Well more of in between of from in between of Long Branch Go Station and Mimico Go Station!.
@RMTransit Nothing can remain concrete for long since the turn of the century I Hope the Peterborough GO Train Service is established regardless of any government objections all the while destroying anything in the path of construction and I also hope the Midtown line gets constructed using single decker Linear induction motor Commuter rail vehicles, along with the 1890's Belt line (resurrected as the Circle Line)
SFU Gondola is a good topic.With the provincial election in BC there are many transit/transportation promises but usually very few actually get done. Look at the big promise in 2008 of $14bn by Former Premier Gordon Campbell.
While these improvements are great, it is a pity that the Richmond Hill line will not connect with TTC line 5. This may prove to be a costly error of missed opportunity. Also, with many back office departments of businesses locating to the periphery, I am saddened that there is no plan for a crosstown GO line on the CP corridor or on the CN belt line.
Having a GO Station at Eglinton on the RH Line doesn't make a ton of sense imo. Gonna be very hard to get service on those lines, those are the CP and CN mainliner.
@@RMTransit Please think ten years into the future. At that time, one may have wished that a station had been built there. A retrofit at that time may prove too costly.
@@Amir-qz4bn not to mention most of it was under CN/CP Freight Rail control (as Reverend Wilbert Awdry says Every wise engine knows you Cannot Trust Freight Cars)
@@RMTransit Problem with the RH line is that not only is it single track south of Oriole all the way down to Lake Shore, it has to share the track with CN and other rail services since from what I understand, it is the only railway that connects Toronto to the TransCanada, thus the only route there is getting from Toronto to Northern Ontario/Western Canada.
2:48 "10 trains daily" what? 10 trains daily? 10? and it counts as a proper commuter rail branch? By the gods, the RER upgrade will be huge. Hopefully the areas around stations will upzone and dare to make the streets pedestrian friendly.
The future of GO rail was a little misleading when discussing the Toronto/Niagara west line. For openers, Hamilton is extremely badly underserved. It has four weekday, rush hour trains out of its downtown GO Centre and a couple out of West Harbor and that is it. The Centennial GO rail station will not be ready in 2021, and GO still runs right through Hamilton without stopping on those non rush hour trains that go to Niagara Falls. The excuse, which is utter nonsense, is that the Junction turn into Hamilton doesn't allow for those Falls trains to stop. So, query, since they have to make that Junction turn to get to the Falls why, in the name of higher mathematics isn't it stopping in Hamilton instead of going directly through from Burlington to Grimsby? That Metropolitan Hamilton has a much larger population than Metropolitan East Gwilimbury seems to have escaped the notice of the Metrolinx brains trust because the latter has much better rail service than the former now and into the foreseeable future.
That's so stupid they put all go train lines terminated at union. And I don't like the shape of Go trains, and they should be electronized, and stations should be refurbished.
The "lozenge" shape bi-level cars were designed so the ends of the cars have space for a pantograph for overhead electric current collection. Existing cars can be pulled by electric locomotives, while future cars can be built to be self-propelled, like the Montreal Deux Mont. line.
I live in and love ❤️ Toronto but not it’s public transit nah! Barcelona is way smaller than Toronto and it’s subway system (metro) it is muuuuch better + streetcar lines too + an amazing regional train network and all of them electrified and lets not forget Paris, Madrid, etc...(Go and UP airport trains use diesel 😡) sorry he said Toronto will have a better system than most places in Europe? Nah 😞 as a former Montrealer I think that even Montréal’s system is better than our TO 😑
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I’m a bit disappointed in the lack of major service changes to the Milton line since it goes through the middle of the most populous suburb of Toronto, but other than that I’m really looking forward to Toronto’s RER, I was really impressed by Paris’. I can’t wait to be able to use GO and Hurontario LRT to get around, instead of having to drive to port credit to use Lakeshore West.
Just wanted to let you know that the original Go line west only went as far as Oakville. Nigara falls is pretty new and has only 2 trains daily between Union station and Niagara falls. Half hour service is between Aldershot and union.
My ex-fatherinlaw worked on Go in the early 70s. He told me the original plan was to have weekday trains running as far as Belleville by the early 80s.. However federal government funds went to support increased service for Via Rail instead.
Amazing to see the scale and vision on display here. Wires and frequency massively boost ridership in time with 4tph being the basic provision for large scale uptake of public transport. Looking at the grade separations it’s clear the ambition is to go even further post 2025. Fantastic to see!
I go to Munich a lot. They have something called the S-Bahn train which is their regional train. It is affordable, efficient, and connects all towns to Munich. It's a shame how much our public transit in the GTA pales in comparison with those in European cities.
@@RMTransit like the optimism...but it will be a few decades, not years
Toronto is better than other cities, and it's worse than other cities. It can be frustrating when you see the potential for better, but that's just the way it is sometimes
LOL. You could fit most, if not all, European countries into the province of Ontario & many of those countries have larger populations than Canada. You can't have what they have unless you have the population & tax base to support it.
Im 11 i just moved from Port credit to St cathrines and its so frustratinh not having that 15-30 min service. I am a transit enthuisast and love door chimes and train models!!
Mustafa Alam Ya but not Go train service to Niagara only happens during the summer.
Kitchener line is fun to ride. I just wish we got the weekend service promised.
@@RMTransit Nope the track bidding process is rigged in favor of companies over the tax payers who paid to build the tracks.
There was talk of GO expanding to Peterboro along the Havelock Line and then up the Richmond Hill to the new GO Station at Bloomington off the 404. From there I heard that GO might be looking at expanding to Mout Albert, Pefferlaw, Beaverton, Brechin to Washago with an out terminus there to store consists and maintenance facility.
What about the rumored and long-considered midtown line?
I Hope they do build the line (Based on the Fallen GO ALRT ) and combine it with eLTE Wireless Metro Communication Based Technology (as it was done in Zhengzhou in China but this time under Ted Rogers Communications) and also include platform edge doors and make all the stations on that line large enough to include in-station retailers outside the paid areas
Yes. The go train is finally coming to my town
Believe it only when you see it.
what town do you live in?
@@stanpatterson5033 2000 years later
I wish there was a line between Brampton and Mississauga. It’s miserable to get there by bus
Should eventually happen with Hurontario
@@RMTransit It needs to happen As a LIM Maglev Line (Based on the HSST Luxury line used for EXPO85 in Yokohama)
I believe there was a line in the past that did that. It was called the Orangeville Brampton Railway or the OBRY line. Its recently been decommissioned and will be turned into a trail. Perhaps for good reason, as I believe I read somewhere that trains could only reach a max. speed of 40 km/h on that line, which is not good performance in the twenty first century.
I actually have some footage of trains along that line which I'll have to upload to TH-cam one day, I guess for its historical value and for the viewing pleasure of other railfans.
The Go network looks good on a map but the service quality is pretty poor. This upgrade looks great and long overdue but they could/should do even more. The whole network should be double tracked and electrified at least, and they should build their own tracks where possible instead of sharing with CN. Also, it would be great to see them expand to Brantford one day, or have the Via Rail service improve to there. My wife is from Paris Ontario and it is shocking how poor a service they get to Toronto in what is fast becoming a growing commuter town.
Nah they should loot everything away from CN and throw the freight cars into the melting pot to melt them for more metal to build new rolling stock, rust and all
no new info on 2 way or weekends on Milton ...Not sure what to make of this..
Have any plan for GTA circle line?
Each transfer have to via Union, it's waste a lot of time for suburb.
Kitchener Line should add more ride going to Kitchener instead of focusing on ridership going to Toronto. Kitchener is booming, Guelph is a manufacturing hub. I feel like that’s the reason why the ridership of this line is so low coz the focus is going to Toronto when a lot of people from Rockwood, Acton & Guelph are working in Kitchener and vise-versa. If you are going to commute from Guelph to Kitchener-Waterloo, it will take you a 2-hour bus ride when it is only 25kms away from each other.
Another great video. Around 12:45 it is mentioned that there has been proposed a Spadina Station connection to the Barrie Go. Is this correct?
@@RMTransit That makes so much more sense! Thanks!
The some of the biggest road blocks in the "rer expansion" I would guess is
1. If you stand at Port Credit Station During rush hour, even with three tracks, it's quite congested and trying to manage local and express services (possibly both ways) along with more via rail trips and and cn rail freight to and from the oakville ford plant to aldershot yard. It will create massive headaches during even minor delays. Eletrcation will sure help with faster acceleration and braking on the main line.
2. Union Station is really congested during the peak hours. Although the current 1930s interlocking system is getting computerized, slow speeds don't help when you already have a full train leaving every 90 seconds. (And the empty deadhead movments)
3. Although a new maintenance filacity is almost done in whitby, it's quite far away from union so it will only serve the purpose of heavy maintenance. Also the plans for "east harbor" will close the don yard about a mile east of union. So only the bathurst yard will remain near union. Willowbrook yard is exceeding Capacity. All these complications will just make things more complicated to pull trains for maintenance and put them back in service when needed.
Other countries: High Speed Rail
Toronto: We're finally getting 2 diesel trains/hour rather than 1!
Well not exactly? Plans call for electrification of most of the network at more than 8tph in core areas.
that new Siemens train set is the High speed rail
@@alexanderip1003 The Siemens Charger only just barely qualifies as high speed with its maximum speed, which it realistically won't be traveling at most of the time due to poor rail infrastructure, etc.
Still waiting to pop my go train cherry!!! 😂😂 I did pass east gwilliambury and Bradford GO stations today.
You did forget to mention that the Lakeshore East line is getting quaddrupaled tracked through to Scarboro. Because of this, Danforth Station is being rebuilt to the east, with the the main entrance at the foot of Dawes Rd. - two stoplights east of Main St. The entrance off of the Main St. bridge and the Main Street Community Center drop-off area will still be there, as will the underground access tunnel, just that passengers will have to walk a bit further to the westbound platform.
I didn’t forget it so much as it’s not super important from a topology perspective
No electrification or frequent two way service for the Milton line. Sigh. While we’re at it, how about following the Toronto Board of Trade recommendation to run a line to Orangeville.
Line Colours used for GO Transit
Lakeshore West-Dark Red
Lakeshore East-Light Red
Kitchener-Dark Green (To Contrast TTC Line 2's Light Green)
Milton-Dark Yellow
Richmond Hill-Light Blue
Barrie-Dark Blue
Stouffville-Brown
Great video 👍
Great video explaining this network. It takes $billions to make it all come together and years of planning and construction. However there is one key ingredient missing in the network. A GO link along the entire CN Halton Subdivsion from Pickering to Brampton and down to Burlington. That would complete a circuitous network around Toronto linking all the GO spokes from Union Station. That would allow easy transfer between Oshawa, Richmond Hill, Markham, Vaughan, Brampton, Mississauga and Burlington ( with a connection to Pearson) without first going to Union Station. How about doing that as the next phase of the plan for 2035. If I want to go from Barrie to Brampton, forget it. Take the car as it is a long trip by Go.
I wonder why they're not Electrifying the Lakeshore West into Hamilton proper. Why was Burlington the end point selected?
Because that's where CNs Line cuts in!
@@RMTransit Those Foolish Freight Cars I called them (holding up passenger service whilst standing idly by for shunters)
I find it extremely doubtful that the mentioned lines will be electrified by 2025. I hope that they will, but I just can't see how that could happen. We haven't even got the full double tracking done yet, although it's on the way, and the Davenport Flyover is just grass scraping and ground markers so far as I could see. QUESTION. When these inner routes are electrified with full service, what will the diesels from outer areas do ? Will they discharge passengers across platform to faster express, electric trains to Union Station, or will the slower, stinky diesels still go express all the way to Union Station unelectrified ?? ! Aarre Peltomaa (railfan since childhood, living in Mississauga, Ontario).
Make the West Harbour Go and Confederation Go Station in Hamilton fully functional. We want to be in the 21st Century XP
this is a track rights issue, Go is currently building their own line.
I now live on Vancouver Island but used to live in Toronto. Looking at this video makes me a little homesick...just a little.😉
Anyway we have a single rail line that runs from Victoria to Nanaimo and further to Courtney...at least it did until 2011. The track has since fallen into disrepair and, although fox go on about repairing it I'm afraid it's simply not going to happen.
That leads me to the topic of the Toronto to Peterborough CP line. It travels on the regular CP line t from North Toronto's to Leaside to the Agincourt yard where it branches off to the northeast. Is that line beyond repair? If not it would seem to be an "automatic" part of GO expansion.
What's the deal?
What about Richmond Hill??????
Reece Martin not a solution!
@@RMTransit there is one they are building a new railway terminus at Bloomington
www.metrolinx.com/en/greaterregion/projects/bloomington-go.aspx
Why is your voice different in the future of toronto video?
Great video young man
I wonder if Go Transit Lakeshore West can have all four 4 tracks after Mimico go station to all the way to Aldershot instead of shortened to 3 from after Mimico go station into 4 tracks thatway outer each line can have making all stops stations and inner two tracks are for ONLY EXPRESS GO TRANSIT AND VIA RAIL TRAINS TO USE AND ONE IN ONLY AMTRACK TO USE I hope you know what I am saying right?!.
Well more of in between of from in between of Long Branch Go Station and Mimico Go Station!.
Is there any plans for Peterborough go train service?
Nothing concrete
@RMTransit Nothing can remain concrete for long since the turn of the century
I Hope the Peterborough GO Train Service is established regardless of any government objections all the while destroying anything in the path of construction
and I also hope the Midtown line gets constructed using single decker Linear induction motor Commuter rail vehicles, along with the 1890's Belt line (resurrected as the Circle Line)
I'll be dead long before this. Hard to get excited but good luck.
SFU Gondola is a good topic.With the provincial election in BC there are many transit/transportation promises but usually very few actually get done. Look at the big promise in 2008 of $14bn by Former Premier Gordon Campbell.
While these improvements are great, it is a pity that the Richmond Hill line will not connect with TTC line 5. This may prove to be a costly error of missed opportunity.
Also, with many back office departments of businesses locating to the periphery, I am saddened that there is no plan for a crosstown GO line on the CP corridor or on the CN belt line.
Having a GO Station at Eglinton on the RH Line doesn't make a ton of sense imo.
Gonna be very hard to get service on those lines, those are the CP and CN mainliner.
@@RMTransit Please think ten years into the future. At that time, one may have wished that a station had been built there. A retrofit at that time may prove too costly.
We won't want one, if we need one a retrofit is easy
What abt RH line?
GO: Meh
@@RMTransit Milton line is even more of a disappointment and sadly the worst go line since most of its line is in Mississauga
@@Amir-qz4bn not to mention most of it was under CN/CP Freight Rail control (as Reverend Wilbert Awdry says Every wise engine knows you Cannot Trust Freight Cars)
@@RMTransit Problem with the RH line is that not only is it single track south of Oriole all the way down to Lake Shore, it has to share the track with CN and other rail services since from what I understand, it is the only railway that connects Toronto to the TransCanada, thus the only route there is getting from Toronto to Northern Ontario/Western Canada.
2:48 "10 trains daily" what? 10 trains daily? 10? and it counts as a proper commuter rail branch? By the gods, the RER upgrade will be huge. Hopefully the areas around stations will upzone and dare to make the streets pedestrian friendly.
Does Transport Canada regulate the GO Transit system or is it the responsibility of the Gov of Ontario?!
Hey I just realized what happened to all your other "future of" video
@@RMTransit They're gone
Who is voicing this?
does not sound like reece
What the new train would be like?
@@RMTransit Right, I mean the vehicles on the track. So the new vehicles will also using electrical cable above the vehicles?
Include LCD Subway Maps
The future of GO rail was a little misleading when discussing the Toronto/Niagara west line. For openers, Hamilton is extremely badly underserved. It has four weekday, rush hour trains out of its downtown GO Centre and a couple out of West Harbor and that is it. The Centennial GO rail station will not be ready in 2021, and GO still runs right through Hamilton without stopping on those non rush hour trains that go to Niagara Falls. The excuse, which is utter nonsense, is that the Junction turn into Hamilton doesn't allow for those Falls trains to stop. So, query, since they have to make that Junction turn to get to the Falls why, in the name of higher mathematics isn't it stopping in Hamilton instead of going directly through from Burlington to Grimsby? That Metropolitan Hamilton has a much larger population than Metropolitan East Gwilimbury seems to have escaped the notice of the Metrolinx brains trust because the latter has much better rail service than the former now and into the foreseeable future.
#cne
Ist's the weirdest looking train I've ever seen
That's so stupid they put all go train lines terminated at union. And I don't like the shape of Go trains, and they should be electronized, and stations should be refurbished.
The "lozenge" shape bi-level cars were designed so the ends of the cars have space for a pantograph for overhead electric current collection. Existing cars can be pulled by electric locomotives, while future cars can be built to be self-propelled, like the Montreal Deux Mont. line.
WHO TF is talking???? idk who that it but that is NOT Reese. Wtf is going on?????
still much wrose than japan
#Gobuses
I live in and love ❤️ Toronto but not it’s public transit nah! Barcelona is way smaller than Toronto and it’s subway system (metro) it is muuuuch better + streetcar lines too + an amazing regional train network and all of them electrified and lets not forget Paris, Madrid, etc...(Go and UP airport trains use diesel 😡) sorry he said Toronto will have a better system than most places in Europe? Nah 😞 as a former Montrealer I think that even Montréal’s system is better than our TO 😑
It will!
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