The reason it's generally aggressive and immature is on purpose. They're trying to show a more immature highschool boy and how they treat love/romance. Teenage boys tend to not have the best judgement as we all know lol. Also the Korean name of the song translates directly to "Real Man", so its a stereotypical view of what a teenage boy thinks a tough, masculine man is. Boy With Luv is after the teenager has grown up and experienced love and gone through all the trials and tribulations and now has confidence and love for himself! 🤗
It was all about the bad boy image. Whenever they review old clips, Jimin cringes so bad he wants the ground to swallow him up, but RM reminds him that this is how the fans got to know and love them, and how they learned from the process: “without these guys, we wouldn’t be here!” 🧐
Okay so why older is necessary here.. A girl would call an older (even if by a year) girl Unnie (언니) and an older guy Oppa (오빠) A guy would call an older guy Hyung (형) and an older girl Noona (누나) Those words literally mean older brother (Hyung/Oppa) and older sister (Unnie/Noona). But they are not restricted to siblings. It can be used between friends and people you are close with. Age is important in korean because then the formality in speech differs. There are levels of formality so if you talking to someone older or younger than you, the form of speech changes to either formal or informal.
This is funny bc yoongi actually is the last person in the world to act like this he never raised his voice at anyone and when he said (after they got asked what would he do if a they fell in love with the same person *girl but I hate all of this hetro*) he said he'll let the other person choose and won't try to force himself or fight for it
this song and War of Hormone (which you'll get to soon) actually got a lot of backlash because of the forceful and mysoginistic vibes it had, and after that the boys actually apologized, and namjoon even started run his lyrics with a Women Studies Teacher to make sure he didnt write something that could be harmful towards women. However it's really sad that they got this kind of treatment when multiple groups had done this same concept and such before (and still do it today, actually) and don't get nearly the same amount of backlash bevause "well that's the concept of the song, it's not like the idols agree to it" -EXO's monster and some BigBang songs come to mind-, but when it came to BTS, they were so harshly judged..... The last time they EVER performed War of Hormone (a song that was arguably more problematic than this one), they actually immediately followed up with 21st Cebtury Girl, which is a song empowering women and telling them they dont need to fit on anyone's standards but themselves. And so, it was as if saying goodbye to the toxic views they had before, and were embracing the feminist agenda we know they actually have lmao (on a side note, during BangBangCon a few weeks ago we saw performances of these songs, and it was really funny how many ARMYs on twitter said "ok, time to turn of the feminist agenda for a moment to enjoy this bop". We are all aware the songs have a bad message, even the boys, so now that we have awknologed it we can enjoy the bops they are ignoring the contents)
Or it can also be a way to say that this girl makes him so nervous that he just feel like he's combusting and falling into a pile of dust whenever he's close to her. English is not my first language, but I think that a saying that could be similar is "being a bag of bones"?
This is based off of a kdrama meaning Korean drama. In these kdramas it is not unusual for the love to be more violent. It is not what they are trying to say they do but it is based of a lot of dreamed relationships in Korea from 2013-15
after this era of songs (boy in luv, danger, war of harmone etc) bts apologized and rm actually contacted womens studies professors to help him understand about feminism and examine his lyrics. they later made a song about women empowerment called 21st century girls also Boy WITH Luv is the sequal to Boy IN Luv and it shows their growth a lot. remember the guys were still young at this point and in korea the dynamic between men and women is very different than it is in America. its starting to get better now ive seen many news of protests and women speaking up about feminism the last 2 years hopefully it gets better for women in korea.
I understand that Korea has different standards for what is acceptable, but I think it's crazy that people got mad at these songs when there are western music that's so much worse!
Now that you've seen boy in love, I highly recommend you watch BTS' 2020 MMA (Melon Music Award) performance. It may be their best live-broadcasted performance ever, and now you've heard every song they perform on it.
I think he needs to wait until he finishes all the album because that have remixes and things that he is not going to appreciate until he watch every song
I'm so proud that you understood the whole in love/with love thing! Also if you look at the way they stand in the end of boy in love and in the beginning of boy with love - you will see that they basically start from where they left the topic last time. So BTS kind of accept the way they considered love as teenagers yet show how much they've grown, that they see love absolutely differently now. This song is one of my favorite and the fact that they've grown from it for me is making it even better
Also, idk of someone already said this but the reason Boy In Luv sounds similar to Namjoon’s Persona is because Persona was sampled from Skool Luv Affair’s intro. This album has a majority of the same sounds so thats why lol just here to clear things up for other peeps
Your reaction here kinda make me scare of when you reach War of Hormones lol. 2014 was a wild time whit incredible sounding song but controversial lyrics, but as you said they have grown and actually apologize for it, and Boy Whit Luv is indeed a kind of continuation but instead of portraying a teenage-like crush, as in Boy In Luv, they show a mature love whit appreciation of the little things that are precious in love. Love the new intro too~ 💙
In the behind the scenes for this music video, the members literally say this wouldn't work out for getting a girl to like you. It's just part of showing the immature school boy love trope even if the members weren't ever actually like that.
This is my fav song out of all of BTS’s songs the reason is it was this song that literally saved my life back in 2014 if it was for this song i wouldnt be here today. Also this was the very first song i ever heard by BTS and made me an army also this was when i first laid my eyes on Jimin and heard his amazong vicals and decided from then on he would be my ultimate kpop bias
Back then this bad boy image was pretty popular for Boy groups (it still kind of is), and this forceful approach to teen romance used to be very romanticized in fiction, especially in K-dramas (korean TV shows/soap operas), but also here in the west back in the day. Therefore, Skool Luv Affair and Dark & Wild will have some cringey lyrics trying to appeal to masses with this image. The Boy in Luv video was specifically made to mirror how teen romance happened in most k-dramas. However, they quickly grew out of this after Dark & Wild. I think it was always just an image to them (seen as they apologized to the girl millions of times during the making of the video) and they never took it too seriously. Since then, they've looked back on it, acknowledged the problematic aspects and apologized for them, and have made tons of songs with a completely different and more mature approach to romance, including a song about female empowerment (21st Century Girls, from Wings). With all that being said, most of us have a similar reaction to yours when we get to know this part of their earlier content. No one makes excuses for it, not us and not them either, but since they've retracted themselves and we can clearly see their growth ever since, we mostly just ignore the cringey lyrics and enjoy the song. Cause really, it slaps. I cannot stay sitting whenever I hear it. It's a problematic bop.
16:08 Totally agree with the disclaimer part, and actually they have asked for forgiveness several times in the past. You have to take into account the year it was shot, its ages and that Korea was not, or is it the most open-minded country in the world, in fact, they have evolved so much and have learned from their mistakes; there were different times. Although it is a definitely catchy and fun song to hear but removing the rough meaning of the letter
LANDON!? I haven't even finished the intro, I'm in shock with how good it sounds and how NICE it looks! Edit now that I've finished the video: Yes, there are a couple of their songs that I have to put a disclaimer in my brain. I'm so glad in the making-of behind the scenes you see them all feeling bad for treating the actress so harshly, they kept apologising. And Jungkook was SO shy around her they had to change some scenes. I love that you got it all without trouble, you understood all the meanings very well. And the intro is amazing!
there ARE a tons of rad flags in this song... but honestly they evolved from this( and war of hormone lol) ,and for me its like a step stone for where they are now........ and honestly it's still a bop hahahahah
Landon, I think you are going to love Just One Day, I CANNOT WAIT for you to react to it. The lyrics and the melody are amazing, one of my fav songs ever, it’s so cute!! ❤️❤️ thank you for you hilarious reactions lol they make my day!
The story of their music over time is growth.. From teenage boys into men figuring their way about life.. From young juvenile school crush.. Into struggles and sufferings of the youth.. Into trying to find your way.. Into starting the journey of self love... And then now in 7 you reflect back on the long journey you had and accept all parts of you to go forward with life..
omg Boy In Luv is my fave title song of the school trilogy 💕💕 Btw i love the fact that you are really invested in knowing about bts, most reactors just listen and see their videos for clout but it's so great to find someone that genuinely like to listen to them 💕💕💕 Thanks for reacting to them and for giving them a chance
Karla Rojas IKR?! I found two reactors around the same time and yesterday I unsubscribe to the other because you could tell he was doing the bare minimum and was really only doing it for the views
Omg I instant loved your new intro is SO cool. About Boy in Luv and Boy with luv, yes, there's definitely a growth between the two and you get it right there mentioning how opposite the lyrics are. In fact, Bangtan early lyrics are kind of disrespectfull/problematic towards women, they have made the rectifications and have apologised for that so it's not concerning for army if they still think/write such things anymore. What's also amazing in MOTS era is that they took inspiration from their older title songs, and that explains why the songs name is similar, there's a sense of evolving. Great reaction, we really appreciate the effort you put doing these reactions. You nice keep going~
Love the new intro! As far as the song and video, well, to me, the song itself is not that problematic, because they do ask, repeatedly, for the girl to tell them what she wants and they keep saying that they'll do whatever that might be. To me, Suga's line about the GPS is just a frustrated and annoyed guy running his mouth, not something that he'd actually do. You know, "You don't do this, you don't do this, you don't do this. What am I supposed to do, go get a GPS?!" The video, on the other hand, is another story. I get that they're trying to play into what was popular at the time, but I also think that it had a lot to do with when this came out in other ways, too. This was released in February of 2014. It wasn't even a full year after the boys had debuted. They were still struggling, still mostly unknown, still very new to the industry, and still very young. Jin, as the oldest, was only 21 and Jungkook was 16. I seriously doubt that the concept for the video was their idea or even something that they agreed with but they were following the advice of their elders. At that age and considering their lack of experience, what else were they going to do? War of Hormone was released in the same year, just a few months later, in August, so the same thing still applies. Just my thoughts on it.
i literally love this song but still am not a fan of the mv or some of the lyrics for that matter. also im glad ur not scared to say what u actually think w/o thinking if armys would attack u. i just think it is the immaturity that a lot of boys have at that age but the fact that they learnt from it all and then proceeded to embrace their past and become such amazing people is just 😘👌
You called it - Boy In Luv = immature/teenage "love" (lust, really), while Boy With Luv = mature love (ie: a more healthy knowledge of what love actually is).
This was the song that got me into bts because my cousin showed me and I hooked ever since. Also shortly after that I watched the behind the scenes making of the mv and Jin kept apologizing to the girl. They are supposed act immature for school bad boy attitude. They later apologized for their actions and didn’t mean for to be bad, but I still really love this song 😊
2:44 yes it's by age. A younger girl calls an older boy oppa and an older girl unnie, then a younger boy calls an older boy hyung and an older girl noona. 13:44 we still have no explanation for that peek Jimin did. 14:41 good catch, Boy with Luv is actually the flip side of Boy in Luv showing their growth as men. 15:25 this was a problematic vid and Jin actually cried with what the director made him do. They all kept apologising to the girl in the vid after the takes because it was all so harsh and our boys are sweet boys. 16:38 that's very kdrama-ish where the chaebol heir drags poor girls around (boys over flowers I'm looking at you) and this wasn't what the boys wanted but the director made them do. 17:59 look back and see how the ending of both Boy in Luv and Boy with Luv are the same pose. Growth. Definitely my fave is Tomorrow followed up by Spine Breaker and Miss Right.
Nice new intro! And Map of the soul era is very connected to their school trilogy. “Intro persona” sampled the beat from the “skool luv affair intro” same as shadow by Suga is a sample from O!RUL8,2? and Ego by jhope is another sample from “2 cool for skool” They wanted to reboot their older stuff because map of the soul is a journey into self, they had to acknowledge the past as well. They’ve come a long way and as you’ve said they grew up in a different culture, they do have a song on the next album I believe that is problematic and they’ve apologized for it and don’t perform it anymore. (war of hormone, we don’t talk about her) It’s important to remember they’ve grown and educated themselves. Plus the pressure was insane on them at the beginning. The general public weren’t very nice to them, they were anxious in what direction should they go. They took this boyish crush concept because it was hot at the time in Korea, they just wanted people to listen. Like you won’t believe that boy in luv is the title track for an album that has songs like “tomorrow”, “spine breaker” or another cypher inside. It was a marketing strategy I believe. I still remember RM saying that he stopped worrying if people are listening to their songs only when they’ve released their most beautiful moment in life album. That’s quite a gap
Landon, your reaction to BiL just shows that...you are SUCH a good person. For this road map, for your deep dive analyses, for the love and folklore ARMY pours into your comments section... I am so grateful 💜
Oh, and I see a lot of folks worried about War of Hormone, but for me personally, this song always felt worse than War of Hormone. War of Hormone was obvious in its "all bark, no bite" shy, but sex-obsessed teen boys. This one felt a bit too much leaning towards incels complaining about "friend zone" I don't, what I'm saying is that I've met and desperately tried to avoid boys like Boy in Luv irl, but I've _been_ in the headspace of War of Hormone before.
Here's my perspective of the song and this is something that I have witnessed personally with people and friends around me as a teenager back then. Yes, there are some problematic things in the song and that some teenage boys are sometimes forceful and don't really get "the hint" that someone is not interested in them. The thing is for me, I witnessed a lot of girls doing this to guys on purpose. They would flirt and invite boys to make a move one day and just be cold and aloof with them the next, like leaving them on read and stuff like that. And the guys didn't really know what to do with that so they became a little more forceful with trying to get the attention of the girls. So what I get from this song is that boys want a girl to be clear about what it is that they want. Are you flirting with me? Is this feeling mutual? Are you just playing around? Again, not advocating that this kind of behavior from boys is acceptable just voicing something that i've witnessed before.
you NAILED the comparison between boy in luv and boy with luv!!!! they definitely wanted to call back to BIL while showing a more mature perspective of it i’d definitely love it if you made a video comparing the lyrics of the two songs, maybe even when you watch the dance practice? but yes i’m so excited for this album
Your intro is amazing!!!! I just love the time, energy and effort you have put into your BTS journey. It’s amazing! Thank you for really diving deep into what the boys are about!
I'll just say that it's important to understand that bts as a band, as amazing as they and their actions are, are not perfect. They've done problematic things in the past (I believe like every human being). But the important thing is that whenever that happened they apologized, and grown, and changed, they were and are always interested in knowing how to improve themselves as humans, especially when it touches other people's feelings. Also, even though boy in luv is not the exactly type of song that matches who they are now, they always made songs that touch important matters, their whole concept from the very beginning was to break barriers of prejudice.
The road map intro absolutely slaps, Landon! Great job! ^_^ And everybody has already explained the boys' behaviour in the mv, so i wont dive into that. Typical manga boy behaviour as i call it :D As always, you're a delight!
Just as a heads up, there is this one song in the Dark And Wild album called War Of Hormone, it is, well, a bit more problematic than Boy In Luv, but just as a note, the boys know they did something problematic and they have already apologized multiple times for that song. Luckily they have also grown and now they understand that it was a bad thing
it's actually a joke among the fandom that when listening to songs during this time period like boy in luv or (especially) war of hormone that we all take a 4 minute break from feminism in order to enjoy the song lmaooo
yes in their press conference for Map of the Soul Persona, RM said that Boy With Luv is a callback to Boy In Luv and shows how theyve grown as people, that their younger self was lacking in love from within. but theyve grown to become people who has love for themselves and others.
This is the song that got me into BTS for the first time and it always has a special place in my heart Look at their boy in luv performance in MAMA 2014 It's crazy That was my first ever BTS performance
The lyrics and the mv was like settled on a desperate persona because they just found out (discovered) about love and was new to it, like it was a new encounter. After all, their previous songs were going against the norms and rebellion that's why the aggressiveness was still in this song... Like they are still fired up teens here that "hey what's wrong why don't you want me? Or hey why don't you text back?" They are getting frustrated about the girl because love is a new feeling that they are encountering They are new to love and they desperately want it that they didn't know it was wrong already (that's the moral they realized when the album progresses) they found out that its not just loving somebody...they realized they are engrossed of needing this love but the reality strikes them "what kind of love tho?" That's the question they have in mind as the album progresses That's how i interpreted the song hehe ✌️ Fun fact in behind the scenes Jin apologized to the girl after he held her and smack her on locker scene and the girl said its ok (cause it's part acting) We stan these respect for girls
For me personally, my first thought seeing this was that they were imitating/drawing inspo from some anime/anime tropes. This is still highly weeb Bangtan and they were trying to portray "Manly Men" using stereotypes _they_ knew
Ohhhhhhh wtf I love the intro- Landon SUPERIOR OMG 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 Hey, BTS have "eras", so u can cross out "eras" when u get to like the 14th album like- cross out school trilogy, dark&wild, most beautiful moment in life, wings and such :) and there you took out like 6+ albums 🙃 ++ BTS got a lot of criticism for lyrics like these, mostly Skool Luv Affair and Dark&Wild, but they've grown a lot 💜, this is from a recent tweet by an ARMY: twitter.com/LATINYOON/status/1259318215416709120?s=19
Well the way I see this MV is that boys are madly in love with this girl and they're just how boys are when they're at that age. In most kdramas we often see relationships of this kind where there is some sort of an aggression (I won't say like utmost violence but more like teasing/loving type) which,let's be real here, some girls like. I'm a girl and yes I don't exactly agree with some of the things they do here, but I do understand that boys have this phase where they learn that girls (or boys) are attractive and it makes you feel a certain way and you do crazy things as a young boy. I'm not in the slightest offended with this (same with war of hormone). I just take it from their perspective. And mind you, this is part of the school series. BTS takes us on a journey from school, to youth, to young adult and temptation, to learning how to love yourself. It's all part of their way of expressing what life means to them and how they incorporate music for this journey :) that's just the way I see it 💜💜💜
Landon, I'm so glad you were, of course trigged, but also understanding that they've come so far. AND YES, that's why Boy *IN* Luv is linked in Boy *WITH* Luv, is that the boys learnt how love actually is, not the brutal possessive feeling, but the one that comes primarly from yourself and makes you want to know the person, not have the person...
You really got the Boy IN Luv vs Boy with Luv correct. I think they have explained this in interviews before. I think also during the press conference of the album drop.
You're the only youtuber I've ever seen pull meaning from different things, and I appreciate and love the work you put into these videos! Boy In Luv is one of my favorite choreos and my first BTS song I listened to before I knew who BTS was. The MV is supposed to replicate tropes in kdramas where the guy is really aggressive towards the girl in order to get with her, but yeah it's sorta problematic but since then they've grown and learned. Yoongi's verse in this song is my fav, too x)
I became army well after this period and as much as I really appreciate army who've supported them from the start, I don't know if I'd have been as big a fan if I knew them back then. When I did join tho, growing up and changing alongside bts became one of my favorite things
there are some ummm.... moments in bts' discography and this mv is one of them for me. but like you said they are young confused teenagers and seeing them growing up and maturing is also one of the reasons why i love them so much. also..... i can't wait to see your reaction to war of hormone ısıdısıdısu
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Lol they apologize to the girl so much in the behind the scenes like A LOT
Jinnie was so sorry after throwing her into the lockers poor baby
@@vi2751 his a little bean that needs to be protected
Another Fun Fact: Actually the mom of Jungkook was the person that ask out the dad of Jungkook lol we Stan an Independent woman
@K HARDER yupp, Jungkook said so himself
K HARDER yep
The reason it's generally aggressive and immature is on purpose. They're trying to show a more immature highschool boy and how they treat love/romance. Teenage boys tend to not have the best judgement as we all know lol. Also the Korean name of the song translates directly to "Real Man", so its a stereotypical view of what a teenage boy thinks a tough, masculine man is.
Boy With Luv is after the teenager has grown up and experienced love and gone through all the trials and tribulations and now has confidence and love for himself! 🤗
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The amount of on kdrama against the locker scene
It was all about the bad boy image. Whenever they review old clips, Jimin cringes so bad he wants the ground to swallow him up, but RM reminds him that this is how the fans got to know and love them, and how they learned from the process: “without these guys, we wouldn’t be here!” 🧐
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Okay so why older is necessary here..
A girl would call an older (even if by a year) girl Unnie (언니) and an older guy Oppa (오빠)
A guy would call an older guy Hyung (형) and an older girl Noona (누나)
Those words literally mean older brother (Hyung/Oppa) and older sister (Unnie/Noona). But they are not restricted to siblings. It can be used between friends and people you are close with.
Age is important in korean because then the formality in speech differs. There are levels of formality so if you talking to someone older or younger than you, the form of speech changes to either formal or informal.
This is funny bc yoongi actually is the last person in the world to act like this he never raised his voice at anyone and when he said (after they got asked what would he do if a they fell in love with the same person *girl but I hate all of this hetro*) he said he'll let the other person choose and won't try to force himself or fight for it
2:46 (flashbacks of when kookie literally RAN away from females) no... he truly wasn't
you see how at the end they turn around? that's how Boy with Luv starts and finishes as well
this song and War of Hormone (which you'll get to soon) actually got a lot of backlash because of the forceful and mysoginistic vibes it had, and after that the boys actually apologized, and namjoon even started run his lyrics with a Women Studies Teacher to make sure he didnt write something that could be harmful towards women.
However it's really sad that they got this kind of treatment when multiple groups had done this same concept and such before (and still do it today, actually) and don't get nearly the same amount of backlash bevause "well that's the concept of the song, it's not like the idols agree to it" -EXO's monster and some BigBang songs come to mind-, but when it came to BTS, they were so harshly judged.....
The last time they EVER performed War of Hormone (a song that was arguably more problematic than this one), they actually immediately followed up with 21st Cebtury Girl, which is a song empowering women and telling them they dont need to fit on anyone's standards but themselves. And so, it was as if saying goodbye to the toxic views they had before, and were embracing the feminist agenda we know they actually have lmao
(on a side note, during BangBangCon a few weeks ago we saw performances of these songs, and it was really funny how many ARMYs on twitter said "ok, time to turn of the feminist agenda for a moment to enjoy this bop". We are all aware the songs have a bad message, even the boys, so now that we have awknologed it we can enjoy the bops they are ignoring the contents)
I have seen in western songs much worse and it’s played on the radio
The part of "I became a dust in front of you" it's pretty easy is how he feels like he's invisible to the girl because we can rarely see dust
Or it can also be a way to say that this girl makes him so nervous that he just feel like he's combusting and falling into a pile of dust whenever he's close to her. English is not my first language, but I think that a saying that could be similar is "being a bag of bones"?
@@ablindinglightthatnolonger8379 lol english is not my first language either I speak Spanish (I'm from Puerto Rico) but yeah that might be too
This is based off of a kdrama meaning Korean drama. In these kdramas it is not unusual for the love to be more violent. It is not what they are trying to say they do but it is based of a lot of dreamed relationships in Korea from 2013-15
In the behind the scenes Jin was apologising like crazy to that girl haha
Please don’t judge too hard on war of hormone lol
Ok not violent but forceful love uno?
not violent, you make it seem as it's rape or not consentual. it's more slightly aggressive or forceful love not violent. being violent is a crime.
hユネス agreed. That was my bad with wording I’m sorry
after this era of songs (boy in luv, danger, war of harmone etc) bts apologized and rm actually contacted womens studies professors to help him understand about feminism and examine his lyrics.
they later made a song about women empowerment called 21st century girls also Boy WITH Luv is the sequal to Boy IN Luv and it shows their growth a lot.
remember the guys were still young at this point and in korea the dynamic between men and women is very different than it is in America. its starting to get better now ive seen many news of protests and women speaking up about feminism the last 2 years hopefully it gets better for women in korea.
I understand that Korea has different standards for what is acceptable, but I think it's crazy that people got mad at these songs when there are western music that's so much worse!
Totally agree.💜💜💜
Danielle M exactly
Now that you've seen boy in love, I highly recommend you watch BTS' 2020 MMA (Melon Music Award) performance. It may be their best live-broadcasted performance ever, and now you've heard every song they perform on it.
Not every song yet. There’s one not on 7. And not all the highlight solo pieces from that either.
I think he needs to wait until he finishes all the album because that have remixes and things that he is not going to appreciate until he watch every song
@@vivianmso Ah you're right. I forgot Mikrokosmos wasn't on 7
He hasnt heard the solo songs.. Its best if he waits
The amount of work you put into this road sadnjksbad ILY
Boy in Luv = what an immature teenager thinks love and romance is.
Boy with Luv = what an adult thinks love is (the small things in a relationship)
I'm so proud that you understood the whole in love/with love thing! Also if you look at the way they stand in the end of boy in love and in the beginning of boy with love - you will see that they basically start from where they left the topic last time. So BTS kind of accept the way they considered love as teenagers yet show how much they've grown, that they see love absolutely differently now.
This song is one of my favorite and the fact that they've grown from it for me is making it even better
the enthusiasm you have... the effort you put into everything.... I LOVE YOU
Also, idk of someone already said this but the reason Boy In Luv sounds similar to Namjoon’s Persona is because Persona was sampled from Skool Luv Affair’s intro. This album has a majority of the same sounds so thats why lol just here to clear things up for other peeps
I'm literally in love with the words and names you invent lol LANDON I LOVE YOU AND MISS YOU
Your reaction here kinda make me scare of when you reach War of Hormones lol. 2014 was a wild time whit incredible sounding song but controversial lyrics, but as you said they have grown and actually apologize for it, and Boy Whit Luv is indeed a kind of continuation but instead of portraying a teenage-like crush, as in Boy In Luv, they show a mature love whit appreciation of the little things that are precious in love. Love the new intro too~ 💙
In the behind the scenes for this music video, the members literally say this wouldn't work out for getting a girl to like you. It's just part of showing the immature school boy love trope even if the members weren't ever actually like that.
This is my fav song out of all of BTS’s songs the reason is it was this song that literally saved my life back in 2014 if it was for this song i wouldnt be here today.
Also this was the very first song i ever heard by BTS and made me an army also this was when i first laid my eyes on Jimin and heard his amazong vicals and decided from then on he would be my ultimate kpop bias
yesss! that's so touching and amazing! I support your view 100% ! fellow Jimin biased ARMY here ^^ hiiii!
Hi im glad to meet a fellow jimin stan and someone who agrees with me
WHOAAA I LUV UR INTRO MAN! This is the last chapter for their school phase. You’ll see a drastic change in their music from the next album.
Back then this bad boy image was pretty popular for Boy groups (it still kind of is), and this forceful approach to teen romance used to be very romanticized in fiction, especially in K-dramas (korean TV shows/soap operas), but also here in the west back in the day. Therefore, Skool Luv Affair and Dark & Wild will have some cringey lyrics trying to appeal to masses with this image. The Boy in Luv video was specifically made to mirror how teen romance happened in most k-dramas. However, they quickly grew out of this after Dark & Wild. I think it was always just an image to them (seen as they apologized to the girl millions of times during the making of the video) and they never took it too seriously. Since then, they've looked back on it, acknowledged the problematic aspects and apologized for them, and have made tons of songs with a completely different and more mature approach to romance, including a song about female empowerment (21st Century Girls, from Wings).
With all that being said, most of us have a similar reaction to yours when we get to know this part of their earlier content. No one makes excuses for it, not us and not them either, but since they've retracted themselves and we can clearly see their growth ever since, we mostly just ignore the cringey lyrics and enjoy the song. Cause really, it slaps. I cannot stay sitting whenever I hear it. It's a problematic bop.
NEW INTROOO YAS I LOVE IT
I love all your reaction I legit SCREAM LOL
OK I HAD TO PAUSE THE VIDEO 12 SECONDS IN AND SAY THAT THAT ROAD MAP INTRO WAS PROBABLY THE COOLEST THING IVE EVER SEEN OMG
OMG THE NEW INTRO IM WOKE 😍💜😍💜😍💜
I really laugh a lot while watching your reaction I think you are the only (and BTS of course) making my time more Happy
Not to mention when Jin apologized to the girl for being too rough 🥺, god I love them
I'm lowkey sacred of him watching war of hormone 🤣
16:08 Totally agree with the disclaimer part, and actually they have asked for forgiveness several times in the past. You have to take into account the year it was shot, its ages and that Korea was not, or is it the most open-minded country in the world, in fact, they have evolved so much and have learned from their mistakes; there were different times. Although it is a definitely catchy and fun song to hear but removing the rough meaning of the letter
LANDON!?
I haven't even finished the intro, I'm in shock with how good it sounds and how NICE it looks!
Edit now that I've finished the video:
Yes, there are a couple of their songs that I have to put a disclaimer in my brain.
I'm so glad in the making-of behind the scenes you see them all feeling bad for treating the actress so harshly, they kept apologising. And Jungkook was SO shy around her they had to change some scenes.
I love that you got it all without trouble, you understood all the meanings very well.
And the intro is amazing!
This song and war of hormone are the ones I listen pretending I don't know the lyrics...
there ARE a tons of rad flags in this song... but honestly they evolved from this( and war of hormone lol) ,and for me its like a step stone for where they are now........ and honestly it's still a bop hahahahah
Landon, I think you are going to love Just One Day, I CANNOT WAIT for you to react to it. The lyrics and the melody are amazing, one of my fav songs ever, it’s so cute!! ❤️❤️ thank you for you hilarious reactions lol they make my day!
The story of their music over time is growth.. From teenage boys into men figuring their way about life..
From young juvenile school crush.. Into struggles and sufferings of the youth.. Into trying to find your way.. Into starting the journey of self love... And then now in 7 you reflect back on the long journey you had and accept all parts of you to go forward with life..
omg Boy In Luv is my fave title song of the school trilogy 💕💕
Btw i love the fact that you are really invested in knowing about bts, most reactors just listen and see their videos for clout but it's so great to find someone that genuinely like to listen to them 💕💕💕
Thanks for reacting to them and for giving them a chance
Karla Rojas IKR?! I found two reactors around the same time and yesterday I unsubscribe to the other because you could tell he was doing the bare minimum and was really only doing it for the views
@@89ceilidh YESSS OMG like, i appreciate the first time they react to them but after the 4th or 5th reaction it gets kind of predictable?)
Omg I instant loved your new intro is SO cool.
About Boy in Luv and Boy with luv, yes, there's definitely a growth between the two and you get it right there mentioning how opposite the lyrics are. In fact, Bangtan early lyrics are kind of disrespectfull/problematic towards women, they have made the rectifications and have apologised for that so it's not concerning for army if they still think/write such things anymore. What's also amazing in MOTS era is that they took inspiration from their older title songs, and that explains why the songs name is similar, there's a sense of evolving. Great reaction, we really appreciate the effort you put doing these reactions.
You nice keep going~
uhm i still can’t explain that urinal scene LMAOOO so i tell my brain it didn’t happen 😂😭
Love the new intro! As far as the song and video, well, to me, the song itself is not that problematic, because they do ask, repeatedly, for the girl to tell them what she wants and they keep saying that they'll do whatever that might be. To me, Suga's line about the GPS is just a frustrated and annoyed guy running his mouth, not something that he'd actually do. You know, "You don't do this, you don't do this, you don't do this. What am I supposed to do, go get a GPS?!" The video, on the other hand, is another story. I get that they're trying to play into what was popular at the time, but I also think that it had a lot to do with when this came out in other ways, too. This was released in February of 2014. It wasn't even a full year after the boys had debuted. They were still struggling, still mostly unknown, still very new to the industry, and still very young. Jin, as the oldest, was only 21 and Jungkook was 16. I seriously doubt that the concept for the video was their idea or even something that they agreed with but they were following the advice of their elders. At that age and considering their lack of experience, what else were they going to do? War of Hormone was released in the same year, just a few months later, in August, so the same thing still applies. Just my thoughts on it.
I FUKING LOVE HOW YOU EDIT YOUR VIDEOS
So early. Lol I watched this last night on Patreon and I’m happy to watch it again here lol
i literally love this song but still am not a fan of the mv or some of the lyrics for that matter. also im glad ur not scared to say what u actually think w/o thinking if armys would attack u. i just think it is the immaturity that a lot of boys have at that age but the fact that they learnt from it all and then proceeded to embrace their past and become such amazing people is just 😘👌
woooow, the intro is awesome 🔥🔥🔥
You called it - Boy In Luv = immature/teenage "love" (lust, really), while Boy With Luv = mature love (ie: a more healthy knowledge of what love actually is).
This was the song that got me into bts because my cousin showed me and I hooked ever since. Also shortly after that I watched the behind the scenes making of the mv and Jin kept apologizing to the girl. They are supposed act immature for school bad boy attitude. They later apologized for their actions and didn’t mean for to be bad, but I still really love this song 😊
2:44 yes it's by age. A younger girl calls an older boy oppa and an older girl unnie, then a younger boy calls an older boy hyung and an older girl noona.
13:44 we still have no explanation for that peek Jimin did.
14:41 good catch, Boy with Luv is actually the flip side of Boy in Luv showing their growth as men.
15:25 this was a problematic vid and Jin actually cried with what the director made him do. They all kept apologising to the girl in the vid after the takes because it was all so harsh and our boys are sweet boys.
16:38 that's very kdrama-ish where the chaebol heir drags poor girls around (boys over flowers I'm looking at you) and this wasn't what the boys wanted but the director made them do.
17:59 look back and see how the ending of both Boy in Luv and Boy with Luv are the same pose. Growth.
Definitely my fave is Tomorrow followed up by Spine Breaker and Miss Right.
Nice new intro!
And Map of the soul era is very connected to their school trilogy.
“Intro persona” sampled the beat from the “skool luv affair intro” same as shadow by Suga is a sample from O!RUL8,2? and Ego by jhope is another sample from “2 cool for skool”
They wanted to reboot their older stuff because map of the soul is a journey into self, they had to acknowledge the past as well.
They’ve come a long way and as you’ve said they grew up in a different culture, they do have a song on the next album I believe that is problematic and they’ve apologized for it and don’t perform it anymore. (war of hormone, we don’t talk about her)
It’s important to remember they’ve grown and educated themselves.
Plus the pressure was insane on them at the beginning.
The general public weren’t very nice to them, they were anxious in what direction should they go.
They took this boyish crush concept because it was hot at the time in Korea, they just wanted people to listen. Like you won’t believe that boy in luv is the title track for an album that has songs like “tomorrow”, “spine breaker” or another cypher inside.
It was a marketing strategy I believe. I still remember RM saying that he stopped worrying if people are listening to their songs only when they’ve released their most beautiful moment in life album. That’s quite a gap
Landon, your reaction to BiL just shows that...you are SUCH a good person. For this road map, for your deep dive analyses, for the love and folklore ARMY pours into your comments section... I am so grateful 💜
Oh, and I see a lot of folks worried about War of Hormone, but for me personally, this song always felt worse than War of Hormone. War of Hormone was obvious in its "all bark, no bite" shy, but sex-obsessed teen boys. This one felt a bit too much leaning towards incels complaining about "friend zone"
I don't, what I'm saying is that I've met and desperately tried to avoid boys like Boy in Luv irl, but I've _been_ in the headspace of War of Hormone before.
Here's my perspective of the song and this is something that I have witnessed personally with people and friends around me as a teenager back then. Yes, there are some problematic things in the song and that some teenage boys are sometimes forceful and don't really get "the hint" that someone is not interested in them. The thing is for me, I witnessed a lot of girls doing this to guys on purpose. They would flirt and invite boys to make a move one day and just be cold and aloof with them the next, like leaving them on read and stuff like that. And the guys didn't really know what to do with that so they became a little more forceful with trying to get the attention of the girls. So what I get from this song is that boys want a girl to be clear about what it is that they want. Are you flirting with me? Is this feeling mutual? Are you just playing around?
Again, not advocating that this kind of behavior from boys is acceptable just voicing something that i've witnessed before.
you NAILED the comparison between boy in luv and boy with luv!!!! they definitely wanted to call back to BIL while showing a more mature perspective of it i’d definitely love it if you made a video comparing the lyrics of the two songs, maybe even when you watch the dance practice? but yes i’m so excited for this album
Your intro is amazing!!!! I just love the time, energy and effort you have put into your BTS journey. It’s amazing! Thank you for really diving deep into what the boys are about!
I'll just say that it's important to understand that bts as a band, as amazing as they and their actions are, are not perfect. They've done problematic things in the past (I believe like every human being). But the important thing is that whenever that happened they apologized, and grown, and changed, they were and are always interested in knowing how to improve themselves as humans, especially when it touches other people's feelings. Also, even though boy in luv is not the exactly type of song that matches who they are now, they always made songs that touch important matters, their whole concept from the very beginning was to break barriers of prejudice.
I can’t believe that my man Landon was emo but a graceful dancer?!! We stan
The road map intro absolutely slaps, Landon! Great job! ^_^
And everybody has already explained the boys' behaviour in the mv, so i wont dive into that. Typical manga boy behaviour as i call it :D
As always, you're a delight!
Hahaha xD Okay, I really like your reactions! "I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want" I had fun with this.
That Jimin x Jungkook scene in the bathroom... ICONIC
Just as a heads up, there is this one song in the Dark And Wild album called War Of Hormone, it is, well, a bit more problematic than Boy In Luv, but just as a note, the boys know they did something problematic and they have already apologized multiple times for that song. Luckily they have also grown and now they understand that it was a bad thing
Fun fact in the behind the scenes of these mv, in the scene where Jin has to push the girl he immediately apologizes for doing it
THE NEW INTRO THOOOOO OBXNSNSNS YAES KING
it's actually a joke among the fandom that when listening to songs during this time period like boy in luv or (especially) war of hormone that we all take a 4 minute break from feminism in order to enjoy the song lmaooo
Love the new intro. 👍💜
I love how you react to all Bts songs from the beginning , and hope you will do this until you finished all the the albums
YASSS! Weekend made 💜💜I clicked faster than my internet connection lol I LOVE going through this journey with you
I can't with u Landon with that dope road map 😂😂
yes in their press conference for Map of the Soul Persona, RM said that Boy With Luv is a callback to Boy In Luv and shows how theyve grown as people, that their younger self was lacking in love from within. but theyve grown to become people who has love for themselves and others.
That intro of the road map is amaaazing!! You put so much time and effort into your videos and I loooove that & you x
This is the song that got me into BTS for the first time and it always has a special place in my heart
Look at their boy in luv performance in MAMA 2014
It's crazy
That was my first ever BTS performance
“This is RACK” ... he is A GOD DAMN GENIUS!!
Raiza The Artist ✨absolutely ✨
"Okay bitch call me pokemon, i'm gonna evolve" - Landon Mark, 2020
ICONIC!!!!
BEAT SO SICK THE CAMERA STARTS TWERKING!!!
I love this intro holy shit
Okay, but before I even get into the actual video (can't wAIT I'm so excited!) I just need to say I looooooove the new intro!
The intro looks so cool omg I replayed it many times
The lyrics and the mv was like settled on a desperate persona because they just found out (discovered) about love and was new to it, like it was a new encounter. After all, their previous songs were going against the norms and rebellion that's why the aggressiveness was still in this song... Like they are still fired up teens here that "hey what's wrong why don't you want me? Or hey why don't you text back?" They are getting frustrated about the girl because love is a new feeling that they are encountering
They are new to love and they desperately want it that they didn't know it was wrong already (that's the moral they realized when the album progresses) they found out that its not just loving somebody...they realized they are engrossed of needing this love but the reality strikes them "what kind of love tho?" That's the question they have in mind as the album progresses
That's how i interpreted the song hehe ✌️
Fun fact in behind the scenes Jin apologized to the girl after he held her and smack her on locker scene and the girl said its ok (cause it's part acting)
We stan these respect for girls
The intro is AWESOME!! love it!!
Your roadmap intro is absolutely epic!! I love it!
Each of your video is really worth watching! Love this!!! This brings so much joy
Thank you! Love you!
Oh my goshhhh the intro is sooo niceeeeee. You did such a good job on it!
For me personally, my first thought seeing this was that they were imitating/drawing inspo from some anime/anime tropes. This is still highly weeb Bangtan and they were trying to portray "Manly Men" using stereotypes _they_ knew
Omg I’m livin for and lovin the intro my dude!!!
Ohhhhhhh wtf I love the intro- Landon SUPERIOR OMG 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Hey, BTS have "eras", so u can cross out "eras" when u get to like the 14th album like- cross out school trilogy, dark&wild, most beautiful moment in life, wings and such :) and there you took out like 6+ albums 🙃
++ BTS got a lot of criticism for lyrics like these, mostly Skool Luv Affair and Dark&Wild, but they've grown a lot 💜, this is from a recent tweet by an ARMY:
twitter.com/LATINYOON/status/1259318215416709120?s=19
Well the way I see this MV is that boys are madly in love with this girl and they're just how boys are when they're at that age. In most kdramas we often see relationships of this kind where there is some sort of an aggression (I won't say like utmost violence but more like teasing/loving type) which,let's be real here, some girls like. I'm a girl and yes I don't exactly agree with some of the things they do here, but I do understand that boys have this phase where they learn that girls (or boys) are attractive and it makes you feel a certain way and you do crazy things as a young boy. I'm not in the slightest offended with this (same with war of hormone). I just take it from their perspective. And mind you, this is part of the school series. BTS takes us on a journey from school, to youth, to young adult and temptation, to learning how to love yourself. It's all part of their way of expressing what life means to them and how they incorporate music for this journey :) that's just the way I see it 💜💜💜
Landon, I'm so glad you were, of course trigged, but also understanding that they've come so far.
AND YES, that's why Boy *IN* Luv is linked in Boy *WITH* Luv, is that the boys learnt how love actually is, not the brutal possessive feeling, but the one that comes primarly from yourself and makes you want to know the person, not have the person...
Blink 182, AFI and MCR... you just spoke to my old emo self too 😂😂
Thanks for being you Landon. For your disclaimers and opinions. I interpret Boy With Luv the same way
You really got the Boy IN Luv vs Boy with Luv correct. I think they have explained this in interviews before. I think also during the press conference of the album drop.
I love your new introduction 👍
Love thaat intro !!
waaaaaaah I reeeeaaaally like the intro
I'm freaking out and its only been 17 sec lol
You're the only youtuber I've ever seen pull meaning from different things, and I appreciate and love the work you put into these videos! Boy In Luv is one of my favorite choreos and my first BTS song I listened to before I knew who BTS was. The MV is supposed to replicate tropes in kdramas where the guy is really aggressive towards the girl in order to get with her, but yeah it's sorta problematic but since then they've grown and learned. Yoongi's verse in this song is my fav, too x)
That intro though 😍😍 I love it!!
LUV the intro!!!!! Also Luv your reaction to their bad boy sides 🤣🤣😍
EDIT: Please watch the dance practicefor this!!!!! 😭😭😭
Your intro is amazing.. Great job Landon.. Stay safe..
the new intro is sooo good :)
I became army well after this period and as much as I really appreciate army who've supported them from the start, I don't know if I'd have been as big a fan if I knew them back then. When I did join tho, growing up and changing alongside bts became one of my favorite things
This is such a bop I love it
there are some ummm.... moments in bts' discography and this mv is one of them for me. but like you said they are young confused teenagers and seeing them growing up and maturing is also one of the reasons why i love them so much. also..... i can't wait to see your reaction to war of hormone ısıdısıdısu