The Marines already did a proof of concept and learned the combined male and female forces do not preform better. The politicians ignored the study....so here we are. So sad .
To say that they’re integrated is a little far-fetched The real issue here was, Paris island was the only depot that could produce female marines . Now we have two training facilities that can produce both female and male Marines. Paris Island and San Diego The training standards for instance the PFT and CFT have not lowered. They’re still different between male and female Marines. The training that comes after bootcamp, has also been integrated long before it became news. The only real differences now is opening up SOI to females and allowing them to join infantry roles without compromising any standards.
@@MrMikevargas1 The Marine Corps has downsized by 15000 troops since 2010 and going to continue to keep down sizing, in a branch that has the lowest number of females out of all branches. Its pretty obvious this isn't so they can produce more female Marines.
@@hottakeswithpancakes774 So the remor is, it was so less women can get it. They never had women at MCRD SD because of the hills and the hikes. Many of the female marines came off the reaper with injuries- injuries they said they would get before. And them going to SOI west with the mountains and hikes are waaay worse. Lima Co at SOI was getting filled with them lol. A lot of them did make it to the fleet, I meet a few of them and they're marines. That's all that matters.
@@Krevin1775 I'm not going to source my youtube comment. Have you ever heard of google? Look at the troop numbers in 2010 and 2021, force design 2030 which plans to cut even more troops, and finally you should know that the Marine Corps has the least amount of female to male ratio compared to the other branches.
"They're making history." Using that as a reason to stick female and male recruits together is asinine. Just like Army Ranger school putting females through, it was learned later that the tests were modified to allow their desired result. You're setting these recruits up to fail in the service. "Let no Marines ghost say, "If only my training had been better."" Semper Fidelis!
that got thrown out the window when congress elected painted toenails-having, manicure-attending, effeminate “men” to run the military as generals. meanwhile, the strong leaders get thrown into the brig.
why fly a female from California to NC when you can train her more locally. they split dudes up with the Mississippi river. there is no reason to not for females.
The differences in the Marine Corps and the other branches was the reason why i joined the Corps in the first place. Thank God i went in 1996. Peoples feelings have now gone to a place they never should be. God bless Marines. Semper Fi. I cant agree with this
@@messagedeleted4307 i dont think integration means we will lose the next war. It just means adjustments have to be made. This video is not completely accurate. As of right now Marine Recon and Snipers are not integrated. However the Army has been integrated for a long time along with the Navy and Air Force and it hasn't slowed us down
@@messagedeleted4307 Apparently you didnt read my first post. I didnt say i agreed with whats going on. Secondly i know how much time i spent in. 22 years to be exact. I think the integration of the Boot Camp is a bad idea. And there are certainly jobs in the military that should never be integrated such as infantry and special forces. But to suggest that the integration will make us lose the next way is ludicrous
When I went through mct about 2 months ago had a female marine with us. She dropped out of every hike and said “I don’t want to continue” on the hike to the alpha shelf. West coast marine here. My buddy had to hike up and come back down to get her pack and hike back up while she got to walk up. Didn’t seem right she got to graduate with us. We for sure would not have graduated if we just said “I don’t want to continue” on the 15k hike. Etc. whatever we decided to do. Idk. I think things should be fair but not here in the marine corps or the military. Not biased or anything. They just can’t keep up with the men and proved that to me and my platoon. Bravo company from MCRD San Diego and Golf company from MCT.
@@RisenSlash to a degree yes, but they still care about some POGs, only provisional infantry though I think. But even when I was with an artillery unit they tried integrating women but there was a fuck ton of sexual assault.
I've known women that would absolutely destroy men on PT tests. Like, shatter men's ego and spirit. If women can meet the standards of their job, so be it. I don't understand why most men are so 1950's in their way of thinking
@@smac1130 because we lived the life. For years. We have been there. I have been there. I know what I have saw. What I saw was clear. I speak on what I know. The difference. I speak on what I know from being there. You speak on what?
@@UpTheChels10 I didn't even see your comment regarding sexual assaults in artillery units. First off, if my dog can leave unattended food alone because I said no and he knows that's bad, then men can keep their hands off of women. For fucks sake, didnt we all learn to keep our hands to ourselves in kindergarten? God gave humans high levels of consciousness than animals. So yeah, sounds like an issue with men and self-control rather than a female problem. So there's that.
If the USMC had it their way, this would have never happened. It took congress grilling the commandant and setting a mandate to finally get the Marines to budge. Marines are the last to change or modernize any policy which is why retention is 🗑. - an active duty Marine
Hey Marine, curious here, you truly believe in your heart this makes a stronger, more well rounded fighting force? You’re gonna be having trouble providing me evidence to support that.
The problem is that the military is not the place to be doing social experiments Especially In the marine corp. Honestly there should be no difference in the requirements to graduate from bootcamp....Marine is an earned title, why should some recruits get the same title when they are not held to the same standard to receive that title?
@@drewdurbin4968 the only difference will be the PFT and CFT. Which is the same as in the fleet. As you know, if you’re a Marine, everyone has to pass the same requirements in MOS schools.
as a Marine i want to make clear that i'm completely okay with integration when you hold everyone to the exact SAME standards. just don't compromise the integrity of my corps with low expectations, easy passes, and false bravado. there should only be a single standard for pft's, cft's, sit reps etc..
Integration is highly disrespectful to the young men and women who join the Corps, they need to be tested against their peers not the other sex. We just took the greatest Military in the world and made it worse for everyone except our enemies.
@@christinebuckley7822 Yeah, no. You'd only have one or two women in the platoon if they had to meet male Marine standards. Too much BS in the world today. Just hope we don't have to go to a real war anytime soon.
But that's the thing though. They'd bring it down for the males. It'd be ridiculous. Somehow, I'm scared if America was to fight inanother ww. We were untouchable for a while because of no air transportation. That's not the case now.
That's true! When I was in the ARMY I saw a bunch of female soldiers in my unit get transferred to another battalion, because these females got themselves pregnant in order to avoid overseas duty, collective field training, and combat deployment. But we were fine with those females getting transferred out, because they were weak anyways.
I remember in the ARMY we could always tell who went to an integrated Basic. Their conduct *SHOWED* lack luster military bearing, a “silliness” to them that civilians have, I could go on but any Veteran in here knows exactly what I’m talking about. When I graduated from Ft.Knox I was made from steel. Seeing that the Corp is being turned into our Ft.Jackson is a damn shame. I do not agree with this.
Same in the Navy. You could always spot the recruits fresh out of Co-ed Orlando, they had no military bearing and carried themselves as if they were strolling in a beach side surf shop in flip-flops.
@@matthewronsson wooo, Orlando, that was many moons ago...interesting, that as a sailor you could see the difference. Quite telling of this Euro "integration" nonsense.
So true. I went to Ft. Benning. When I went home for "hometown recruiting" I remember my recruiter and I went to meet up with someone. They asked where I went to basic training and I told them, "Ft. Benning." Their response, "Oh shit, you're a real soldier." That civilian himself could see the difference.
USMC 1964 -- 68. Boot Camp at Parris Island 3Rd Battalion 18 years old. Vietnam March 65 -- 66. Infantry ( Grunt ) 0331. Now for the People commenting were any of you at Parris Island or in the Marines around that time? Semper Fi to the old USMC.
Yes, 1961 1st Bat B CO Parris Island the old wooden barracks. This is sickening watching female DI's screaming at male recruits getting off the bus they have chopped the balls off the Marine Corps to social experiments they forgot national security.
@@denniscerasoli6209 ..what national security ? the u.s is been declaring war on independent goverments for years now hence the flag turned the other way , your concern for national security is too late the Russian and Chinese miltary are about to send the u.s back to the stone age
They sound like a bunch of nagging wives. Not intimidating at all. More annoying than anything. Probably were cooks and admin before they became DIs compared to my DIs being all grunts in 1988.
@@csucujo I might join, if i do I was thinking the same thing. I would just be checking her out and fantasizing while she was yelling at me. This is bullshit. I might go the officer route
As a wounded combat veteran of the Vietnam War, this sickens me to see a WM barking orders at young male recruits. Female DI's, should be instructing women recruits; NOT men, period. If the late DI R. Lee Ermey, were alive, he would NOT approve of this cluster f**k. Back then, in the sixties, when I went through boot camp, it was much tougher, and if you screwed up, you were struck by your DI in a way that you wouldn't forget. And there were times, when the whole platoon would have to pay the price if you screwed up, just like in the movie "Full Metal Jacket", and a blanket party, which doesn't exist anymore, was encouraged to punish and straighten you out so you wouldn't do that again. The reason why this was done, which I and other young Marines finally discovered, was to keep us from screwing up war, and to instill discipline. Also, can you imagine a female DI coming into the squad bay in the morning getting guys in their skivvies out of the rack? Can you imagine a male DI coming into the squad bay getting young girls in their skivvies them out of the rack? Finally, there is no way you can have young men and women training, or fighting together, because feelings and attractions are bound to take place, which can impact the fighting efficiency, especially in war. In Vietnam, the longest I went without a bath or shower was a month, do you think that women could do the same thing, given the complexities of their bodies? Now, if you can't understand what I have said, then you are clearly thinking-impaired. Semper Fi.
Well, all I got's to say is so glad I went into the Corps 20+ years ago. It was a unique experience in an all male platoon in boot camp, and I just can't see it being as unique as it was had women been integrated into it. Just my opinion.
no so i work with the marines that were part of Lima company there. i actually graduated just shortly after Lima with India. the females are split into their own platoons. the company was mixed but platoons separate. so they still have the "unique" experience of being yelled at.
@@RodeoBullRider You're not a man quit trying to be. I'm an old Marine from 1961 I cannot relate to this they may wear the uniform of a grunt but a grunt they're not and will not.
@@denniscerasoli6209 good for you you were an old fashioned marine. Times have changed and women have different roles in the military. If you did not know women still have to meet the same standards as men to be in the infantry. If they can meet those standards, then they are perfectly fine to be in a combat position. Women add to the military in many ways that apparently haven’t payed attention to. If a woman earns the title of marine, she earned it. Now idgaf if you were some ole “61” marine. Back in those days equal rights were still being fought For. Now, get over yourself that the opposite gender can prove to be just as good as the men. Women do play vital roles in the military.
@@RodeoBullRider yes women now have to meet the same LOWERED standards as men. Men no longer have to meet standards traditional for them, they have to meet standards for women. This way it looks like women are doing everything as physically demanding that the men are doing. Or did you not know? No one is saying women are not important or valuable or even capable of many things. What we are saying is men are tired of women demanding we lower ourselves so they can look good. If you say that is not the case you're a bold faced liar, and a reverse sexist. Yes, it's sexist asking a man to compromise on himself down to your level just you can make claims you wouldn't be able to otherwise. So, you did prove something, women can be just as sexist as men. Congratulations.
Here we go again. I was involved in a similar stunt as an Army DI in the mid 1980's. It was a disciple nightmare, none of the recruits benefited. Another case of not learning from the past ... sorry to see it happening again.
@@satanbirmingham911 significant disciplinary issues around fraternization and fighting. The different levels of physical abilities and learning. When i trained a single sex platoon i did not see the same issues.
It's hard to see that my Corps has been so heavily influenced by outside influences. Marines always had a chip on their shoulders... which was a good thing. Our training was longer, harder and segregated by gender (as it should be). Men and women shouldn't train together in bootcamp, it's a distraction and it's unnecessary. I was in 3rd Battallion Parris Island, I barely saw any females until I graduated.
@@isaiahschimek7954 yeah right i bet they did. i was a marine infantry for 22 years and a drill instructor and you expect me to believe they did just FINE going up a mountain with full packs, gear, helmet, weapons ok i believe you. im glad just fine is good enough for you and the marines, i remember when just fine was not an option.
Graduated golf company on west coast, had the second female platoon in our company. Everyone could tell they got treated noticably better than the rest of the recruits. Even drill instructors complained about how it was all political BS. They made them look good on the outside but the platoon was a disaster. Tons of them fell out on every hike, MCT hikes were even worse. I don't respect the females less as marines. But I think their integration was handled quite poorly and was focused on politics more than actually making quality marines.
I can agree as I was in 2141, but I know the more integrated san diego eventually gets, the more figured out they’ll have it. I feel like a big reason why we were getting babied is because we werent like lima where the recruits were the creme de la creme. Our platoon was suppose to be the first average platoon that you would’ve seen in Paris Island. A big problem with that is from what my drill instructor said, that san diego is way more physically demanding than the east. When a bunch of recruits started breaking, it was easier to retain them then to drop them all the way to paris island where they would eventually have to restart. So a lot of girls who wouldve gotten dropped in the east didnt unless it was necessary. Mct was a whole other ballgame, but thats the jist of bootcamp
@@kattylame1981 thanks for sharing your experience! I went to bootcamp at MCRDSD back in 2005...LONG before this integration. Wasnt even a thought back then. But its interesting hearing about your experience having just been there recently. Regardless of how 'differently' yall were treated, good on you for going and making it through. As many have mentioned here, I'm sure the Corps will make changes as needed and they will figure out a good solid process (as they always do.) But again, good job for going and giving it your all. Well deserved, Marine! Congrats 👏
I was in Golf Company 2014 2142 senior DI Gsgt.Campbell he probably master a guns now or retired but im so glad i went trough before female DIs i would not be able to take whatever this shit was 1:46 what a joke
when I was leaving for soi going to a blood drive I heard that and could only think “what the fuck… is that Lima Co” and “they are going die here have fun”
As a former Marine sergeant, I would posit that she was referring to a gunny at the recruiting station, which is how they are typically called by enlistees.
@@billobrien4680 i understand that but she’s not even a marine yet and her DI’s should be doing instilling discipline because someone going through boot camp shouldn’t be calling a gunnery Sgt a gunny.
@@peedro5842 my EDI had a thing in our platoon going towards the end of the cycle leading up to the Crucible. "Correct yourself, recruit!" so there was always some form of correction 😂
I feel lucky that I joined in 2016…feel like I was a part of the last of the Marine Corps experience that most Americans imagine and we all are aware of. All male company in boot, all male company in MCT, all male school house. Wasn’t until 2 years into my first unit we got a female marine. After going through 3 units, the one most integrated had the most discipline problems I.e DUIs, drugs, sexual assault, overall discipline struggles. I’ve learned there is Nothing wrong with disagreeing with gender integrated military training. Studies have proven all male and all female units do better. What’s wrong is the toxic mentality of forcing an unscientific change into an organization that was doing just fine. Men and women can be Marines, but train them separately.
all integrated now. marine corps is dying. our corps is dying. we all know females have always had a lower fitness standard but know the men have to carry that difference in load to compensate. 2019 mcrd Parris island golf company. back when females were in their own company and we got chewed and IT just for looking in their direction
@@mackenziepeek9317 i am interested in joining. Mainly for the purpose of enduring through the pain and high stress of boot camp so I can be improved by the process, do you think there will be less of a transformation due to it being too easy?
Let’s just take this all the way and have complete integration within the platoons. No gender pronouns allowed. Everyone together with all heads shaved, PT together, Showering together, bunking together...what could possibly go wrong?
@@wesdauer158 I was there March 3rd 1982 graduated May 28th. Alpha Company 1st Battalion, Platoon 1025. Winners of initial prac, initial drill and the rifle range.
This was a big mistake. I am a Hollywood Marine. But i was stationed over in Parris Island. I can firmly say after seeing and being with both training depots. Integrated and female combat training is much different and less effective to their male counter parts. I can't imagine the sex related problems they must have had. I left right when Echo company was the first to try integration with 4th Battalion. We had problems with male Marines and female recruits fucking quite often. So i cant imagine male and female barrack integration.
@@amaliya.jovanovski it was the best thing I’ve ever done with my life. Out of all the branches I’d say the USMC at least held off on the BS for longer. But I will say this. Someone’s got to do it. Good luck and if he joins, it will suck at first. But it’s worth it. Hope that helps.
@@usmcfrommt9790 thank-you. He doubts himself, but he's definitely one of the toughest and fittest men I know. I think being a foreigner (Aussie) has him concerned, but he feels like the marine corps is his calling.
As a female marine idk how I feel about this. USMC has definitely changed since I was in. I think this push to be like the other branches of service is diluting what it genuinely means to be a MARINE. I may no longer be a Marine but I still work with Marines and this generation is definitely SOFT af. Recognizing there are definitely changes that need to be made, but much of the changes they are currently implementing are misguided. Whatever the case tho...ORAHHHH!!
@@EDDSkitz no thirst at all....."He was simply reminding me what we have always been taught. There is no such thing as a former Marine. "Once a Marine, Always a Marine."
Can you imagine joining the most bad-ass branch of the military and the 1st day at basic training you're getting screeched at by this shrill harpy? Get these broads out of our military and make the Marines great again.
I dunno abt that one chief. We have plenty of women who experienced combat and fought in those scenarios. Motor T, CBRN, Supply, etc. all the way back when they only had to hang above the bar. Let me put it this way: The idea of basic training is to train marines in combat, since every marine is a rifleman. Do you really think that holding them to easier ruck marches in West Coast would benefit them at all?
In order for a woman to pass any military training, the physical standards have to be significantly lowered. I saw it in basic training. Women didn't have to do as many pushups, pull-ups, sit- ups, etc. Their run time standards were also lower. Just wrong. That is not equality.
agreed. if a woman steps in at her own will she should face the facts and work through just as men do. if you don't like that you shouldn't be there to begin with. it all shows on the battlefield in the end
I met a number of them through my time some on the drill field and not. There was no fear from them whatsoever. And the over acting and try hard attitudes didnt help. I dont doubt their dedication and professionalism, but I do doubt that around week 8 any male recruits will give a shit what they say and a number of them will probably even get checked by some guys. And it'll take the male DI's to control the platoon ultimately.
I only had a female DI during receiving couldn't take her seriously at all until the male DIs came from there on only male DIs completely different story there
@@seamac7564 I was LIMA Co. 3113. Senior Drill Instructor was SSgt. Castillo, SSgt. Johns, and SSgt. Hicks. If you were there in September 2002, you probably smoked me.
@@RandomPoolGuy84 I was a 2d Bn hat, not a 3d Bn hat, I probably saw you getting smoked, I never IT'd another platoon unless their SDI green-lighted it which never happens because DIs love their recruits too much to give them to someone else.
@@seamac7564 Hahaha! If you say so. Every DI I walked past had some reason to correct me. Though now that I think about it, only LIMA Co. smoked me. Other DI's just had me do about-face and yell at me for one reason or another. "Go touch my tree right now! Touch my wall right now! Touch my grass right now! ZE-RO!"
Lima company graduating earlier this year was also integrated...when I was in bootcamp I learned from guys stuck in RSP who were there during that time that there was some wild shit going down...the guy heard the drill instructors talking one time about an incident up north where CLP was used for, well, something it wasn't really designed for. The moral of the story? Horny recruits do not make good recruits. I don't know why we can't learn this. The whole reason the Marine Corps is better at what they do than any other branch is because we don't do things like other branches do them...and our victories of the past decades have demonstrated the effectiveness of our methods. What's next? Apparently, a whole lot. We might even see civilians bypass bootcamp and become Marines in order to enter more quickly into the cyber field. How will that affect unit cohesion? It's the same thing. I only hope that some travesty won't have to happen in order to help our leaders see the flaws in their decisions.
Having gone through MCRD San Diego in 1970 I feel that this is a mistake. A company of Marines can only move as fast as the slowest person. This will slow the company down. Once again Congress has made big mistake. Has Congress ever got anything right?
@Dave L nope, keep trying to invalidate my opinion. When did you serve, asvab waiver? And I'm a libertarian. A real one. Not those fascist trumptards that think they are.
@@Jay16Mar “lost” in what respect? Is it the US backing out of conflict? Those are our bitch ass politicians losing because they realized they’re not making enough money from the conflict or some other asinine reason so they make the US pull out.
Although I have no issue with female recruits at MCRD San Diego it’s my opinion that the females should be trained by Women DI’s and the males recruits by male DI’s. USMC 1979-1983.
I disagree. This isn’t right. It’s stupid to say the least. The Corps is no longer war fighters. They’re political and I’m glad I got out before it became this trash you’re watching now. WEAK. I’m disappointed.
As a Marine combat veteran myself I totally agree with your statement. This BS and lack of disregard for or how the Corps has been operating and training makes me puke.
Why the hell would they fuck with the tradition of the Marine Corp. The Corp is based on tradition and that is now gone. It is a shame that this new Corp has become soft enough to allow its tradition and basis to be destroyed .
@@jackmillwater3604 the air force already began doing that with the formation of an all-black squadron. segregation has ALWAYS and WILL ALWAYS be progressive. it’s got NOTHING to do with tradition, homie.
The reason women are now integrated at MCRD San Diego is because the marine corps doesn’t have enough money to fly out every female west of the Mississippi to Paris island The marine corps messed up by sending women to San Diego
I think the woman that served in our Marine Corps have done amazing work through out the years. Proud to have served along side some amazing ladies. I served 94-98, I truly hate what this BS woke destruction of manhood, womanhood, and our military in general. The people in charge that were put there to dumb down and weaken our fighting readiness have succeeded. Im disgusted with what they've done to my Marine Corps. Between the mandated jabs, to open gays (don't ask dont tell worked fine), to this new crap. You've officially weakened our readiness ans our history will look back to these moments ans ask why no one stopped it, I'm sure the woke so feelings weren't hurt will suffice when we start losing our country from the beta males we start producing. Semper Fi but this makes me very disappointed.
Don't ask don't tell was... ok for a time. I was a lesbian and serving, and thankfully I had (for the most part) great leadership. I couldn't hide it well, and didn't flaunt it. Just was obvious with the short hair, mannerisms and the fact I never had a bf. It sucked when I wanted to get married and move in with my GF of 3 years, as I had to continue to live in the barracks. Again, thanks to great nco's, I was authorized to live with her while maintaining a barracks room, which was to be inspection ready and appear as if I lived there. Rent was outrageous near post, and I felt like a second class citizen. I rarely complained, as I knew what I signed up for. It was hard though. Deploying and coming home, not being able to say goodbye and hello like everyone else. The person I loved getting sick, needing care, and because we weren't allowed to marry I couldn't help, or take time off. I didn't want to flaunt it, I just wanted to serve like my father did, have a family and make a career. I was great at my job, loved it and I was never an issue for anyone. Now others like me can serve, and have their loved ones cared for just like other spouses and children. I think for signing a blank check to uncle Sam, this isn't too much to ask for.
Parris Island has been Integrated for years at this point. This has been done on multiple occasions. Three out of four companies in Third Battalion aboard MCRD PI have been integrated since 2019, before all the COVID restrictions.
I’m not sure how it was for everyone who graduated boot camp years before me, but as a female who just graduated boot camp, none of us had anything handed to us. My platoon and my sister platoon worked just as hard and had to work harder than our brother platoons to get to where we are now. I understand that your personal experience may influence your bias, but Kilo Company earned our Eagle, Globe, and Anchor. Just because one person may not reach the standard of the Marine Corp, doesn’t mean everyone else didn’t work hard to reach it. I would appreciate it if you didn’t insult my sisters like that. We did the same training, fired the same rifles, and completed the same crucible as the boys. We all worked hard. None of us have a right to begrudge another. I’m sorry that you’re letting one single moment define an entire group of people. I hope everyone has a good day.
I'm happy that you responded to this because reading the comments until yours was more than disappointing. My son just left yesterday for here. You all work hard and I love everything that you said. Thank you for your service. Semper Fi❤️🇺🇲
God bless all the U.S. soldiers that gave their lives for this "integration" to even happen. Compare the men vs women who gave the ultimate sacrifice in combat... Since the attack on America on September 11, 2001 a total of 152 women deployed to Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Syria have lost their lives in service to America. 904 male service members lost their lives in 2004 in iraq alone... Wars are fought by men. There is no way on earth a woman MARINE can beat a Male MARINE when pertaining to combat efficiency. War is the ultimate test/ultimate sport. Men are predisposed to warfare because they are naturally better at it. Specifically, having greater weight, height, and muscle mass allows men to perform more effectively in battle. Men are faster in tactical movement, have better accuracy and are quicker. They hit on target and have a noticeable difference in their performance of overcoming obstacles and evacuating casualties.
20 years from now these new Marines will be talking shit about the newer generation. It's a never ending cycle of chest puffing. I'm not losing any sleep over this.
On the surface it may appear harmless. However by design it is meant to reduce Marines to ordinary SIMP men. Truth be told, P. I. had serious Gulf War vets, like loco type. Even a few of them had to work overtime trying to mold several men into Marines. Then there is the stage where if the D. I. could get away in hurting real bad a recruit even killing him, he would. In fact they enjoyed it. They enjoyed it so bad, a D. I. would pick a recruit with similar qualities to punish the entire platoon on more than occasion until they cried like little girls. 🤣🤣🤣 He knew there were no limits, only the limits the USMC set on him. With a 150 confirmed kills, he was no joke. I still wonder where SGT. Loper is right now.
As a retired Marine and former hat (PI-DI 05-08) this is a horrible idea. Physically men and women CAN'T be held to the same standards. It's just biology.
The people in the comments you hear saying integration won't work in 2021 are the same people in the 1940s who were against integration in the military - based off race. Although I understand races don't have strong differences and genders do. I'm just saying.
The first Female Marine was Opha May Johnson. She enlisted in 1918. Females have gone through boot camp and earning the title Marine at Parris Island SC since 1949. So don’t get it twisted and assume that this is the first time women are allowed to become Marines.
No it’s not! But when she came through she came through with other women in 4th Bn like it should be. Let women be women and stop trying to turn women into men. Respect the traditions of the Corp. that is just one reason the slogan “ The Few The Proud was indoctrinated into the Corp. self. Pride to battle against your gender peers. So what happens when you get a platoon of 56 young men and only 3 females??? No disrespect but females can’t physically compete with males. What happens when a male recruit ends up hurting a female recruit in training??? Because he hit her to hard. This was not thought of clearly. This was a grease my palms and I will make it happen. Congress needs to be put on notice and called to the carpet to explain this chit. '
What the hell are you talking about?! Did you actually pay attention before commenting? It's about integrated boot camp training, not the effing first time women are allowed to become Marines. You wanna talk about not getting it twisted...😑
6:17 don't kid yourself sir, recruit training is a joke compared to even 5-10 years ago. Don't even bother comparing it to 20+ years ago. It's not your fault though, it's the fault of the public becoming weak bodies and seeing little Jimmy getting his ass held accountable and turned into a man for once
New corps is always weaker than old Corps according to the old guys. Second guy to sign at Tunn tavern was the original boot. You all old folks need to get over yourselves. Corps is still making fine Marines. You never hear of improvise, adapt, overcome? Change isn't bad by default.
As a Marine i dont think i could have put up with some screaming undisciplined woman screamimg at me like some hormonal housewife sounding off over some dishes i left for her to wash.
This doesn't actually answer the question, yes the recruit base is now intergrated, so what, so is PI, but are the PLATOONS INTERGRATED? That is what matters. From the footage it appears the females are still in their own company, and platoons, and have their own DIs, & same with the males.
So I plan on joining the Marines this year. Will boot camp be integrated from now on? I am 25 years old and joining a little late but given that im older this bugs me way more if thats the case. I am older and mature and I want to experience this the way it was intended. With only men...
YOURE not gonna be in a male and female combined platoon. If you go to San Diego you may likely be in the same company as a female platoon but that’s it, I graduated from San Diego in an integrated company but we rarely ever interacted with the females
When I went to war, not one female could “man” the .50 cal and always had issues with the charging handle. We go to the field and most of them get sick chits. Send a company or platoon of female only Marines in combat and lets see how they go against the enemy.
ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME????!! AS A DEVIL DOG 00-06 I CAN'T FUCKN BELIEVE THEY DID THIS. MCRD HAS BEEN TAINTED AND HERE STARTS THE END OF THE HARD CORE THAT IS MARINE CORPS...RIP...
Man I remember thinking DI’s were hard asses when I first joined. Then after a year and a half in the fleet I had a bigger ribbon stack then all of my DI’s as a Lcpl.
I graduated MCRD-SD in 2008 and I remember then in training my Senior DI telling us that eventually there was going to be a 4th Bn there for Females. So this really has been along time coming.
There's recently been a sexual harassment shortage in this country. For whatever reason, nobody's been screwing nobody. So...newly appointed DOD "diversity" liberals just figured to kick start the old court martial cavalcade with some offbeat sh-t like this that's all. Most of it aimed at these innocent drill instructors likely.
The whole marine is a disgrace , used by president as hired killers for their oil control and nothing else. Honestly , people who join the Marines are low in IQ and are basically robots without common sense , they need to be yelled at , told what to do and what to think. Sorry to say but you just wasted your time by being a lap dog
And at the 6:17 mark...I decided this is stupid. This guy really said boot camp is harder now than ever? GTFOH! Also I don't care if you man, woman, or whatever. If you can handle carrying a full battle rattle Marine in combat and hump 10 miles then carry on.
Its interesting how most of these comments seem to rightfully point out how integration is a bad idea, but the like to dislike ratio is not skewed to represent that sentiment.
1977 USMC MCRD Paris island! All im gonna say is, This intergrated, boot camp, could never have worked In 1977, in my opinion the greatest era of making Marines, Senior drill instructions were the most effective! I could go on and on,im stubborn and old fashioned,
I used to be proud to be a US Marine. I'm glad my time in the Corps has long came and gone. I wouldn't have functioned well in this new Marine Corps. America will surely lose World War 3! We will all be speaking Chinese or Russian one day.
….I believe if it’s not broken why fix it differently. Should of stayed the way it was, the FMF is where the NCO’s and SNCO’S leadership and mentoring of the young Marine SHOULD happen.
From a male perspective , while American society continues to decay. We gotta give credit to these ladies. To be a Marine , gotta be Mentally and Physically fit and willing to give it all. Engaging the enemy hand-in-hand with their Male Marines. BRAVO!
This is a freaking joke! Chesty turning over in his grave! NEVER,EVER thought the Marine Corps would join the PC bandwagon! I’ll NEVER encourage anyone to join the Marine Corps!
I'm waiting for a greencard (from Australia) I was considering joining the marine corps and the marines ONLY, because I read the incredible story of chesty puller and the battle of belleau against the Germans, after seeing this and hearing from many current marines the experiences they're facing (corruption in the marine corps) and how much the corps is pushing for PC culture approval, it has literally broken my spirits and have no desire to join anymore, kind of rude on my behalf but I want the full experience, not some half assed woke shit
The Marines already did a proof of concept and learned the combined male and female forces do not preform better. The politicians ignored the study....so here we are. So sad .
To say that they’re integrated is a little far-fetched The real issue here was, Paris island was the only depot that could produce female marines . Now we have two training facilities that can produce both female and male Marines.
Paris Island and San Diego
The training standards for instance the PFT and CFT have not lowered. They’re still different between male and female Marines. The training that comes after bootcamp, has also been integrated long before it became news.
The only real differences now is opening up SOI to females and allowing them to join infantry roles without compromising any standards.
@@MrMikevargas1 The Marine Corps has downsized by 15000 troops since 2010 and going to continue to keep down sizing, in a branch that has the lowest number of females out of all branches. Its pretty obvious this isn't so they can produce more female Marines.
@@hottakeswithpancakes774 So the remor is, it was so less women can get it. They never had women at MCRD SD because of the hills and the hikes. Many of the female marines came off the reaper with injuries- injuries they said they would get before. And them going to SOI west with the mountains and hikes are waaay worse. Lima Co at SOI was getting filled with them lol. A lot of them did make it to the fleet, I meet a few of them and they're marines. That's all that matters.
Can you post a link to this study? or is it one of those imaginary ones you use?
@@Krevin1775 I'm not going to source my youtube comment. Have you ever heard of google? Look at the troop numbers in 2010 and 2021, force design 2030 which plans to cut even more troops, and finally you should know that the Marine Corps has the least amount of female to male ratio compared to the other branches.
"They're making history."
Using that as a reason to stick female and male recruits together is asinine.
Just like Army Ranger school putting females through, it was learned later that the tests were modified to allow their desired result.
You're setting these recruits up to fail in the service.
"Let no Marines ghost say, "If only my training had been better.""
Semper Fidelis!
What ever happened to, “if it isn’t broke, don’t try to fix it?”
that got thrown out the window when congress elected painted toenails-having, manicure-attending, effeminate “men” to run the military as generals. meanwhile, the strong leaders get thrown into the brig.
why fly a female from California to NC when you can train her more locally. they split dudes up with the Mississippi river. there is no reason to not for females.
@@RebelSoule they arent as capable
The government happened.
So we should never evolve?
The differences in the Marine Corps and the other branches was the reason why i joined the Corps in the first place. Thank God i went in 1996. Peoples feelings have now gone to a place they never should be. God bless Marines. Semper Fi. I cant agree with this
@@messagedeleted4307 i dont think integration means we will lose the next war. It just means adjustments have to be made. This video is not completely accurate. As of right now Marine Recon and Snipers are not integrated. However the Army has been integrated for a long time along with the Navy and Air Force and it hasn't slowed us down
@@messagedeleted4307 Apparently you didnt read my first post. I didnt say i agreed with whats going on. Secondly i know how much time i spent in. 22 years to be exact. I think the integration of the Boot Camp is a bad idea. And there are certainly jobs in the military that should never be integrated such as infantry and special forces. But to suggest that the integration will make us lose the next way is ludicrous
@@messagedeleted4307 your story troll. Anyway
I’m in the army and I will tell you. The marines discipline compared to us is insane y’all make us look like a summer camp 😂
I went to the depot in 86 3rd bn india. It sure is different.😒
When I went through mct about 2 months ago had a female marine with us. She dropped out of every hike and said “I don’t want to continue” on the hike to the alpha shelf. West coast marine here. My buddy had to hike up and come back down to get her pack and hike back up while she got to walk up. Didn’t seem right she got to graduate with us. We for sure would not have graduated if we just said “I don’t want to continue” on the 15k hike. Etc. whatever we decided to do. Idk. I think things should be fair but not here in the marine corps or the military. Not biased or anything. They just can’t keep up with the men and proved that to me and my platoon. Bravo company from MCRD San Diego and Golf company from MCT.
there were plenty of men that fell out of the hikes in MCT with me that still passed
honestly I don't think the CIs care about POGs that much
@@RisenSlash to a degree yes, but they still care about some POGs, only provisional infantry though I think. But even when I was with an artillery unit they tried integrating women but there was a fuck ton of sexual assault.
I've known women that would absolutely destroy men on PT tests. Like, shatter men's ego and spirit. If women can meet the standards of their job, so be it. I don't understand why most men are so 1950's in their way of thinking
@@smac1130 because we lived the life. For years. We have been there. I have been there. I know what I have saw. What I saw was clear. I speak on what I know. The difference. I speak on what I know from being there. You speak on what?
@@UpTheChels10 I didn't even see your comment regarding sexual assaults in artillery units. First off, if my dog can leave unattended food alone because I said no and he knows that's bad, then men can keep their hands off of women. For fucks sake, didnt we all learn to keep our hands to ourselves in kindergarten? God gave humans high levels of consciousness than animals. So yeah, sounds like an issue with men and self-control rather than a female problem. So there's that.
If the USMC had it their way, this would have never happened. It took congress grilling the commandant and setting a mandate to finally get the Marines to budge. Marines are the last to change or modernize any policy which is why retention is 🗑.
- an active duty Marine
Hey Marine, curious here, you truly believe in your heart this makes a stronger, more well rounded fighting force? You’re gonna be having trouble providing me evidence to support that.
I don't think this is a good idea and hopefully it gets done away with like other BAD ideas 😡 Semper Fidelis 74-78 2531 2nd Tank Battalion
The problem is that the military is not the place to be doing social experiments Especially In the marine corp. Honestly there should be no difference in the requirements to graduate from bootcamp....Marine is an earned title, why should some recruits get the same title when they are not held to the same standard to receive that title?
@@drewdurbin4968 the only difference will be the PFT and CFT. Which is the same as in the fleet. As you know, if you’re a Marine, everyone has to pass the same requirements in MOS schools.
If the armed forces had their way, they would have never desegregated, it took Congress to force it.
as a Marine i want to make clear that i'm completely okay with integration when you hold everyone to the exact SAME standards. just don't compromise the integrity of my corps with low expectations, easy passes, and false bravado. there should only be a single standard for pft's, cft's, sit reps etc..
As it should be If I could join I'd want the same training...it's what keeps u alive. I'm 70.
Integration is highly disrespectful to the young men and women who join the Corps, they need to be tested against their peers not the other sex. We just took the greatest Military in the world and made it worse for everyone except our enemies.
@@christinebuckley7822 Yeah, no. You'd only have one or two women in the platoon if they had to meet male Marine standards. Too much BS in the world today. Just hope we don't have to go to a real war anytime soon.
Well said! Semper fi bro...
@@rossbabcock2974 my marine friends from high school encourage me to join them but it seems too hard to do.
So are we now going to give Male and female recruits the same PT requirements?
No, the fitness standards for males don't accomodate female's upper body strength
@@nathanbell8356 I know. That's the joke
But that's the thing though. They'd bring it down for the males. It'd be ridiculous. Somehow, I'm scared if America was to fight inanother ww. We were untouchable for a while because of no air transportation. That's not the case now.
The Marine Corps could create a gender-neutral pt test like the ACFT we have here in the Army.
@@MrBassmann15 it is because of ideologies like this I am scared of the next ww for america
You want pregnant recruits? Because this is how you get pregnant recruits.
It's happens at Paris Island
That's true! When I was in the ARMY I saw a bunch of female soldiers in my unit get transferred to another battalion, because these females got themselves pregnant in order to avoid overseas duty, collective field training, and combat deployment. But we were fine with those females getting transferred out, because they were weak anyways.
@@guerotech facts! The reality that these beta, white knighr, SJW/Feminist never want to address and the Joe's have to put up with...
@@guerotech when did you serve? I 1992-1997. Hooah!
@@christopherhazell420 US ARMY 1988-1992, 2 Deployments, Operation Desert Storm veteran. HOOAH!
I remember in the ARMY we could always tell who went to an integrated Basic. Their conduct *SHOWED* lack luster military bearing, a “silliness” to them that civilians have, I could go on but any Veteran in here knows exactly what I’m talking about. When I graduated from Ft.Knox I was made from steel. Seeing that the Corp is being turned into our Ft.Jackson is a damn shame. I do not agree with this.
So other than drill and field training, the units are segregated. At least they were in April, when I was discharged from MCRD San Diego
Same in the Navy. You could always spot the recruits fresh out of Co-ed Orlando, they had no military bearing and carried themselves as if they were strolling in a beach side surf shop in flip-flops.
That's due to the new kinder, gentler army
@@matthewronsson wooo, Orlando, that was many moons ago...interesting, that as a sailor you could see the difference. Quite telling of this Euro "integration" nonsense.
So true. I went to Ft. Benning. When I went home for "hometown recruiting" I remember my recruiter and I went to meet up with someone. They asked where I went to basic training and I told them, "Ft. Benning." Their response, "Oh shit, you're a real soldier." That civilian himself could see the difference.
USMC 1964 -- 68. Boot Camp at Parris Island 3Rd Battalion 18 years old. Vietnam March 65 -- 66. Infantry ( Grunt ) 0331. Now for the People commenting were any of you at Parris Island or in the Marines around that time? Semper Fi to the old USMC.
My neighbor was. He is 85 now. I was in from '89 to '93. I went to San Diego for boot camp.
Yes, 1961 1st Bat B CO Parris Island the old wooden barracks. This is sickening watching female DI's screaming at male recruits getting off the bus they have chopped the balls off the Marine Corps to social experiments they forgot national security.
I served 74 to 78 and went to parris Island and think it's stupid to put female and male recuites together
@@denniscerasoli6209 ..what national security ? the u.s is been declaring war on independent goverments for years now hence the flag turned the other way , your concern for national security is too late the Russian and Chinese miltary are about to send the u.s back to the stone age
@@hungsolow4851 no they aren’t lmao
I couldn’t take a female Drill Instructor serious. I know I’m not the only one. RIP mcrd San Diego
Sweet jesus what a giant fuck up on commands part 🤦🏾♂️
They sound like a bunch of nagging wives. Not intimidating at all. More annoying than anything.
Probably were cooks and admin before they became DIs compared to my DIs being all grunts in 1988.
I’d be staring at the WM DIs t*ts and as* the whole entire time, tbh. A total distraction it would be. Rah devils
@@csucujo I might join, if i do I was thinking the same thing. I would just be checking her out and fantasizing while she was yelling at me. This is bullshit. I might go the officer route
@@rivierror1251 our political ass kissing commandant Berger
As a wounded combat veteran of the Vietnam War, this sickens me to see a WM barking orders at young male recruits. Female DI's, should be instructing women recruits; NOT men, period. If the late DI R. Lee Ermey, were alive, he would NOT approve of this cluster f**k. Back then, in the sixties, when I went through boot camp, it was much tougher, and if you screwed up, you were struck by your DI in a way that you wouldn't forget. And there were times, when the whole platoon would have to pay the price if you screwed up, just like in the movie "Full Metal Jacket", and a blanket party, which doesn't exist anymore, was encouraged to punish and straighten you out so you wouldn't do that again. The reason why this was done, which I and other young Marines finally discovered, was to keep us from screwing up war, and to instill discipline. Also, can you imagine a female DI coming into the squad bay in the morning getting guys in their skivvies out of the rack? Can you imagine a male DI coming into the squad bay getting young girls in their skivvies them out of the rack? Finally, there is no way you can have young men and women training, or fighting together, because feelings and attractions are bound to take place, which can impact the fighting efficiency, especially in war. In Vietnam, the longest I went without a bath or shower was a month, do you think that women could do the same thing, given the complexities of their bodies? Now, if you can't understand what I have said, then you are clearly thinking-impaired. Semper Fi.
Well, all I got's to say is so glad I went into the Corps 20+ years ago.
It was a unique experience in an all male platoon in boot camp, and I just can't see it being as unique as it was had women been integrated into it. Just my opinion.
It's all obvious. But don't be surprised if you see a bunch woke sjw liberals attacking you
no so i work with the marines that were part of Lima company there. i actually graduated just shortly after Lima with India.
the females are split into their own platoons. the company was mixed but platoons separate.
so they still have the "unique" experience of being yelled at.
@@RebelSoule it's not just the getting yelled at part...the experience is way more than that
MCRD San Diego. Aug 97 platoon 2101. This wokeness is ruining the Corps.
Women aren't integrated at the platoon level. I believe it's company level. So it really shouldn't make a difference in how they train.
“All you did was weaken a country today, Kaffee. That's all you did.”
Colonel Nathan R. Jessup, USMC
Sexist
@@RodeoBullRider Honest. Good movie too. Not convinced Jessup was a bad guy.
@@RodeoBullRider You're not a man quit trying to be. I'm an old Marine from 1961 I cannot relate to this they may wear the uniform of a grunt but a grunt they're not and will not.
@@denniscerasoli6209 good for you you were an old fashioned marine. Times have changed and women have different roles in the military. If you did not know women still have to meet the same standards as men to be in the infantry. If they can meet those standards, then they are perfectly fine to be in a combat position. Women add to the military in many ways that apparently haven’t payed attention to. If a woman earns the title of marine, she earned it. Now idgaf if you were some ole “61” marine. Back in those days equal rights were still being fought For. Now, get over yourself that the opposite gender can prove to be just as good as the men. Women do play vital roles in the military.
@@RodeoBullRider yes women now have to meet the same LOWERED standards as men. Men no longer have to meet standards traditional for them, they have to meet standards for women. This way it looks like women are doing everything as physically demanding that the men are doing. Or did you not know? No one is saying women are not important or valuable or even capable of many things. What we are saying is men are tired of women demanding we lower ourselves so they can look good. If you say that is not the case you're a bold faced liar, and a reverse sexist. Yes, it's sexist asking a man to compromise on himself down to your level just you can make claims you wouldn't be able to otherwise. So, you did prove something, women can be just as sexist as men. Congratulations.
Jesus, what hell is going on here. 20 years ago when I was in it was nothing like this at all. It's a different Marine Corps that's for damn sure
Here we go again. I was involved in a similar stunt as an Army DI in the mid 1980's. It was a disciple nightmare, none of the recruits benefited. Another case of not learning from the past ... sorry to see it happening again.
Explain what happened that made it a nightmare
@@satanbirmingham911 significant disciplinary issues around fraternization and fighting. The different levels of physical abilities and learning. When i trained a single sex platoon i did not see the same issues.
Oh male humans can’t discipline? Oh so sad
It was all over the newspapers.
They have had females at the Parris Island deopt for years
It's hard to see that my Corps has been so heavily influenced by outside influences. Marines always had a chip on their shoulders... which was a good thing. Our training was longer, harder and segregated by gender (as it should be). Men and women shouldn't train together in bootcamp, it's a distraction and it's unnecessary. I was in 3rd Battallion Parris Island, I barely saw any females until I graduated.
It'll be interesting to see how the female recruits and DI's perform on the mountains of Camp Pendleton compared to their male counterparts.
They already completed boot camp and mct and did just fine
@@isaiahschimek7954 yeah right i bet they did. i was a marine infantry for 22 years and a drill instructor and you expect me to believe they did just FINE going up a mountain with full packs, gear, helmet, weapons ok i believe you. im glad just fine is good enough for you and the marines, i remember when just fine was not an option.
My daughter just did the hill in San Dieago and she kicked ass right along with the males so there pig
@@angelawoolery2482 I'm sure if there was video footage, it would tell a different story
@@angelawoolery2482 Sure she did.🙄
Graduated golf company on west coast, had the second female platoon in our company. Everyone could tell they got treated noticably better than the rest of the recruits. Even drill instructors complained about how it was all political BS. They made them look good on the outside but the platoon was a disaster. Tons of them fell out on every hike, MCT hikes were even worse. I don't respect the females less as marines. But I think their integration was handled quite poorly and was focused on politics more than actually making quality marines.
I can agree as I was in 2141, but I know the more integrated san diego eventually gets, the more figured out they’ll have it. I feel like a big reason why we were getting babied is because we werent like lima where the recruits were the creme de la creme. Our platoon was suppose to be the first average platoon that you would’ve seen in Paris Island. A big problem with that is from what my drill instructor said, that san diego is way more physically demanding than the east. When a bunch of recruits started breaking, it was easier to retain them then to drop them all the way to paris island where they would eventually have to restart. So a lot of girls who wouldve gotten dropped in the east didnt unless it was necessary. Mct was a whole other ballgame, but thats the jist of bootcamp
@@kattylame1981 thanks for sharing your experience! I went to bootcamp at MCRDSD back in 2005...LONG before this integration. Wasnt even a thought back then. But its interesting hearing about your experience having just been there recently. Regardless of how 'differently' yall were treated, good on you for going and making it through. As many have mentioned here, I'm sure the Corps will make changes as needed and they will figure out a good solid process (as they always do.) But again, good job for going and giving it your all. Well deserved, Marine! Congrats 👏
Suuuure
I was in Golf Company 2014 2142 senior DI Gsgt.Campbell he probably master a guns now or retired but im so glad i went trough before female DIs i would not be able to take whatever this shit was 1:46 what a joke
Was in bootcamp when the females got there, it was a trip hearing aye maam from some high pitched ass voices as I’m on firewatch 💀
when I was leaving for soi going to a blood drive I heard that and could only think “what the fuck… is that Lima Co” and “they are going die here have fun”
Yo Charlie company?
@@psb8538 nah I was golf
@@bobbyshmurda1861 ight yeah we woke up hearing “aight ma’am” like what the shit
@@bobbyshmurda1861 were you a RSP drop out?
Such discipline, The one recruit called a gunnery Sgt a gunny 🤦🏻♂️ lmao boot camp soft as hell now
As a former Marine sergeant, I would posit that she was referring to a gunny at the recruiting station, which is how they are typically called by enlistees.
@@billobrien4680 i understand that but she’s not even a marine yet and her DI’s should be doing instilling discipline because someone going through boot camp shouldn’t be calling a gunnery Sgt a gunny.
Absolutely unacceptable for a recruit to be referring to a GySgt as "gunny." I know that recruit got "corrected."
@@acollierr17 I wouldn’t be surprised if the recruit didn’t get corrected.
@@peedro5842 my EDI had a thing in our platoon going towards the end of the cycle leading up to the Crucible. "Correct yourself, recruit!" so there was always some form of correction 😂
I feel lucky that I joined in 2016…feel like I was a part of the last of the Marine Corps experience that most Americans imagine and we all are aware of. All male company in boot, all male company in MCT, all male school house. Wasn’t until 2 years into my first unit we got a female marine. After going through 3 units, the one most integrated had the most discipline problems I.e DUIs, drugs, sexual assault, overall discipline struggles. I’ve learned there is
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with gender integrated military training. Studies have proven all male and all female units do better. What’s wrong is the toxic mentality of forcing an unscientific change into an organization that was doing just fine. Men and women can be Marines, but train them separately.
So literally is it all integrated now? I thought this was this just for show
@@amaliya.jovanovski I want to know too
all integrated now. marine corps is dying. our corps is dying. we all know females have always had a lower fitness standard but know the men have to carry that difference in load to compensate. 2019 mcrd Parris island golf company. back when females were in their own company and we got chewed and IT just for looking in their direction
@@mackenziepeek9317 yea I agree. The WOKE mob are destroying the western countries.
@@mackenziepeek9317 i am interested in joining. Mainly for the purpose of enduring through the pain and high stress of boot camp so I can be improved by the process, do you think there will be less of a transformation due to it being too easy?
Let’s just take this all the way and have complete integration within the platoons. No gender pronouns allowed. Everyone together with all heads shaved, PT together, Showering together, bunking together...what could possibly go wrong?
I’m so glad I went through San Diego MCRD in 1982 and not now. Thank God!!!
Me too Feb 1982 Semper fi .3011mcrd sanding
@@wesdauer158
I was there March 3rd 1982 graduated May 28th. Alpha Company 1st Battalion, Platoon 1025. Winners of initial prac, initial drill and the rifle range.
@@wesdauer158
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This was a big mistake. I am a Hollywood Marine. But i was stationed over in Parris Island. I can firmly say after seeing and being with both training depots. Integrated and female combat training is much different and less effective to their male counter parts. I can't imagine the sex related problems they must have had. I left right when Echo company was the first to try integration with 4th Battalion. We had problems with male Marines and female recruits fucking quite often. So i cant imagine male and female barrack integration.
Three years after I was discharged my old drill instructor moved next door with her family. We became best friends.
Cool story
Yeah thanks for sharing
This here is footage of my Corps no longer taking “finest fighting force” seriously. Bummer. Glad I’m already out.
My husband is going to join. Do you think it's worth it? Or has political correctness just completed screwed the corps?
@@amaliya.jovanovski it was the best thing I’ve ever done with my life. Out of all the branches I’d say the USMC at least held off on the BS for longer. But I will say this. Someone’s got to do it. Good luck and if he joins, it will suck at first. But it’s worth it. Hope that helps.
@@usmcfrommt9790 thank-you. He doubts himself, but he's definitely one of the toughest and fittest men I know. I think being a foreigner (Aussie) has him concerned, but he feels like the marine corps is his calling.
@@amaliya.jovanovski marines and ausies are two peas in a pod. We used to train in Australia prior to deployment. Had a blast. He’ll do great.
As a female marine idk how I feel about this. USMC has definitely changed since I was in. I think this push to be like the other branches of service is diluting what it genuinely means to be a MARINE. I may no longer be a Marine but I still work with Marines and this generation is definitely SOFT af. Recognizing there are definitely changes that need to be made, but much of the changes they are currently implementing are misguided. Whatever the case tho...ORAHHHH!!
Exactly how does training females at both PISC and San Diego dilute what it means to be a Marine?
No such thing as a female marine
You will always be a Marine. Semper Fi.
@@lancet.346 thirsty much?
@@EDDSkitz no thirst at all....."He was simply reminding me what we have always been taught. There is no such thing as a former Marine. "Once a Marine, Always a Marine."
I graduated from MCRD San Diego August 24th, 2001. Had a lot of crazy times while at MCRD San Diego and Camp Pendleton.
Right before the shit... glad you made it
Can you imagine joining the most bad-ass branch of the military and the 1st day at basic training you're getting screeched at by this shrill harpy? Get these broads out of our military and make the Marines great again.
Who fucking cares man. The DIs are doing the same thing
@@WarriorMasterTrainer It’s because he can’t stand women yelling at him.
Most Bad Ass is The World's Greatest Army!!
not the marines anymore
New Corp motto to replace Semper Fi::: iam abiit (Already Gone). This is to imply the massively high percentage of casualties in the future.
Everything will be fine as long as no one listens to fools like yourself.
I dunno abt that one chief. We have plenty of women who experienced combat and fought in those scenarios. Motor T, CBRN, Supply, etc. all the way back when they only had to hang above the bar.
Let me put it this way: The idea of basic training is to train marines in combat, since every marine is a rifleman. Do you really think that holding them to easier ruck marches in West Coast would benefit them at all?
In order for a woman to pass any military training, the physical standards have to be significantly lowered. I saw it in basic training. Women didn't have to do as many pushups, pull-ups, sit- ups, etc. Their run time standards were also lower. Just wrong. That is not equality.
agreed. if a woman steps in at her own will she should face the facts and work through just as men do. if you don't like that you shouldn't be there to begin with. it all shows on the battlefield in the end
Just can't take female DI's seriously. Zero fear instilled from them.
As someone who had the female DIs get in my face they were scarier than the male DIs
I met a number of them through my time some on the drill field and not. There was no fear from them whatsoever. And the over acting and try hard attitudes didnt help. I dont doubt their dedication and professionalism, but I do doubt that around week 8 any male recruits will give a shit what they say and a number of them will probably even get checked by some guys. And it'll take the male DI's to control the platoon ultimately.
@@Uncommon_Valor you're joking, right?
c'mon man.....
I only had a female DI during receiving couldn't take her seriously at all until the male DIs came from there on only male DIs completely different story there
I only had a female DI during receiving couldn't take her seriously at all until the male DIs came
I will never miss MCRD San Diego and I say that from the deepest of my heart.......... Echo 2109
I was a DI for an E Co 2109, in 2002ish, who were your DIs?
@@seamac7564 I was LIMA Co. 3113. Senior Drill Instructor was SSgt. Castillo, SSgt. Johns, and SSgt. Hicks. If you were there in September 2002, you probably smoked me.
@@RandomPoolGuy84 I was a 2d Bn hat, not a 3d Bn hat, I probably saw you getting smoked, I never IT'd another platoon unless their SDI green-lighted it which never happens because DIs love their recruits too much to give them to someone else.
@@seamac7564 Hahaha! If you say so. Every DI I walked past had some reason to correct me. Though now that I think about it, only LIMA Co. smoked me. Other DI's just had me do about-face and yell at me for one reason or another. "Go touch my tree right now! Touch my wall right now! Touch my grass right now! ZE-RO!"
@@RandomPoolGuy84 Memories, sure, all you do is yell, doesn't matter if the recruit is yours or not, but IT...those were your DI's.
I miss the marine corps I was in. There was nothing wrong with the marine corps I grew up in.
ok, nothing wrong with the one I'm in right now.
@@leonjohansen1818 cause you don’t know any better. Respect the ones that came before you
Lima company graduating earlier this year was also integrated...when I was in bootcamp I learned from guys stuck in RSP who were there during that time that there was some wild shit going down...the guy heard the drill instructors talking one time about an incident up north where CLP was used for, well, something it wasn't really designed for. The moral of the story? Horny recruits do not make good recruits. I don't know why we can't learn this. The whole reason the Marine Corps is better at what they do than any other branch is because we don't do things like other branches do them...and our victories of the past decades have demonstrated the effectiveness of our methods. What's next? Apparently, a whole lot. We might even see civilians bypass bootcamp and become Marines in order to enter more quickly into the cyber field. How will that affect unit cohesion? It's the same thing. I only hope that some travesty won't have to happen in order to help our leaders see the flaws in their decisions.
Thank that political ass kissing commandant Berger. He's ruining our Corps
Having gone through MCRD San Diego in 1970 I feel that this is a mistake. A company of Marines can only move as fast as the slowest person. This will slow the company down. Once again Congress has made big mistake. Has Congress ever got anything right?
Thank God this horse $hit happened after I got out. Way to go Marines, you're officially no different than the other 3 services!!!
exactly....the male boot camp experience in the Corps is part of the reason I enlisted in it....
*4 other services...let's not forget the Space Force...lol
Shut up grandpa
@Dave L where I? Lol
How the fuck would you know?
Yes, 2001-05
@Dave L nope, keep trying to invalidate my opinion. When did you serve, asvab waiver?
And I'm a libertarian. A real one. Not those fascist trumptards that think they are.
As long as they have different grooming and physical standards they will never be looked at as equals.
worst day in Marine Corps history. , “if it isn’t broke, don’t try to fix it?” This is more PC bullshit.
Its not the worst day now privet Jordan won’t have blue balls for three months
Was it really ever working though? As I recall, the U.S. has lost every war it has gotten into since Korea.
@@Jay16Mar “lost” in what respect? Is it the US backing out of conflict? Those are our bitch ass politicians losing because they realized they’re not making enough money from the conflict or some other asinine reason so they make the US pull out.
@@Jay16Mar not the Marines fault
Although I have no issue with female recruits at MCRD San Diego it’s my opinion that the females should be trained by Women DI’s and the males recruits by male DI’s. USMC 1979-1983.
I disagree. This isn’t right. It’s stupid to say the least. The Corps is no longer war fighters. They’re political and I’m glad I got out before it became this trash you’re watching now. WEAK. I’m disappointed.
As a Marine combat veteran myself I totally agree with your statement. This BS and lack of disregard for or how the Corps has been operating and training makes me puke.
@@jasonsavill3444 facts brother. Glad I got out when I did
100%
Glad I got out long before this insanity. The Corps just became high school ROTC now....sad.
Why the hell would they fuck with the tradition of the Marine Corp. The Corp is based on tradition and that is now gone. It is a shame that this new Corp has become soft enough to allow its tradition and basis to be destroyed .
The worthless politicians pressure the branches with lack of funding. I'm glad that I went in back in 1986 bro Semper Fuckin Fi...
Yeah, why fuck with tradition? We should go back to separating units by color.
@@jackmillwater3604
the air force already began doing that with the formation of an all-black squadron. segregation has ALWAYS and WILL ALWAYS be progressive. it’s got NOTHING to do with tradition, homie.
@@jackmillwater3604 bring back muzzle loaders, too! And horses, fuck Ospreys and mraps.
The reason women are now integrated at MCRD San Diego is because the marine corps doesn’t have enough money to fly out every female west of the Mississippi to Paris island
The marine corps messed up by sending women to San Diego
I think the woman that served in our Marine Corps have done amazing work through out the years. Proud to have served along side some amazing ladies. I served 94-98, I truly hate what this BS woke destruction of manhood, womanhood, and our military in general. The people in charge that were put there to dumb down and weaken our fighting readiness have succeeded. Im disgusted with what they've done to my Marine Corps. Between the mandated jabs, to open gays (don't ask dont tell worked fine), to this new crap. You've officially weakened our readiness ans our history will look back to these moments ans ask why no one stopped it, I'm sure the woke so feelings weren't hurt will suffice when we start losing our country from the beta males we start producing. Semper Fi but this makes me very disappointed.
Right, because we would have won in Iraq and Afghanistan in your ideal world. If only we could do things like we did in Vietnam...
Don't ask don't tell was... ok for a time. I was a lesbian and serving, and thankfully I had (for the most part) great leadership. I couldn't hide it well, and didn't flaunt it. Just was obvious with the short hair, mannerisms and the fact I never had a bf. It sucked when I wanted to get married and move in with my GF of 3 years, as I had to continue to live in the barracks. Again, thanks to great nco's, I was authorized to live with her while maintaining a barracks room, which was to be inspection ready and appear as if I lived there. Rent was outrageous near post, and I felt like a second class citizen. I rarely complained, as I knew what I signed up for. It was hard though. Deploying and coming home, not being able to say goodbye and hello like everyone else. The person I loved getting sick, needing care, and because we weren't allowed to marry I couldn't help, or take time off.
I didn't want to flaunt it, I just wanted to serve like my father did, have a family and make a career. I was great at my job, loved it and I was never an issue for anyone. Now others like me can serve, and have their loved ones cared for just like other spouses and children. I think for signing a blank check to uncle Sam, this isn't too much to ask for.
Calling people beta males is about as beta as you can get. Pretty ironic, really.
Agreed
Political ass kissing commandant Berger
Parris Island has been Integrated for years at this point. This has been done on multiple occasions. Three out of four companies in Third Battalion aboard MCRD PI have been integrated since 2019, before all the COVID restrictions.
I’m not sure how it was for everyone who graduated boot camp years before me, but as a female who just graduated boot camp, none of us had anything handed to us. My platoon and my sister platoon worked just as hard and had to work harder than our brother platoons to get to where we are now. I understand that your personal experience may influence your bias, but Kilo Company earned our Eagle, Globe, and Anchor. Just because one person may not reach the standard of the Marine Corp, doesn’t mean everyone else didn’t work hard to reach it. I would appreciate it if you didn’t insult my sisters like that. We did the same training, fired the same rifles, and completed the same crucible as the boys. We all worked hard. None of us have a right to begrudge another. I’m sorry that you’re letting one single moment define an entire group of people. I hope everyone has a good day.
Our daughter is in Kilo Co., having arrived this past Monday. I was pleased to see your response. Well done, Marine!
I'm happy that you responded to this because reading the comments until yours was more than disappointing. My son just left yesterday for here. You all work hard and I love everything that you said. Thank you for your service. Semper Fi❤️🇺🇲
The physical training standards between a 6 feet tall 190 pound male and a 5 feet 6 inches tall 140 pound female will not be same.
The problem is that they lowered the standards for women. That's the issue.
God bless all the U.S. soldiers that gave their lives for this "integration" to even happen. Compare the men vs women who gave the ultimate sacrifice in combat... Since the attack on America on September 11, 2001 a total of 152 women deployed to Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Syria have lost their lives in service to America. 904 male service members lost their lives in 2004 in iraq alone... Wars are fought by men. There is no way on earth a woman MARINE can beat a Male MARINE when pertaining to combat efficiency. War is the ultimate test/ultimate sport. Men are predisposed to warfare because they are naturally better at it. Specifically, having greater weight, height, and muscle mass allows men to perform more effectively in battle. Men are faster in tactical movement, have better accuracy and are quicker. They hit on target and have a noticeable difference in their performance of overcoming obstacles and evacuating casualties.
What have they done to my beloved Corps??? 😔
Went to Paris Island in 1988. We were not even aloud to look as the females went by. The DIs made is eyes right.
20 years from now these new Marines will be talking shit about the newer generation. It's a never ending cycle of chest puffing. I'm not losing any sleep over this.
20 years from now the Chinese And Russian military will still be laughing at this stupidity 😂
MMMM... I would be willing to wager that YOU never served.
This guy never served, even the WM's I served with think this BS.
@@usmcmma who never served?
On the surface it may appear harmless.
However by design it is meant to reduce Marines to ordinary SIMP men.
Truth be told, P. I. had serious Gulf War vets, like loco type.
Even a few of them had to work overtime trying to mold several men into Marines.
Then there is the stage where if the D. I. could get away in hurting real bad a recruit even killing him, he would.
In fact they enjoyed it.
They enjoyed it so bad, a D. I. would pick a recruit with similar qualities to punish the entire platoon on more than occasion until they cried like little girls. 🤣🤣🤣
He knew there were no limits, only the limits the USMC set on him.
With a 150 confirmed kills, he was no joke.
I still wonder where SGT. Loper is right now.
As a retired Marine and former hat (PI-DI 05-08) this is a horrible idea. Physically men and women CAN'T be held to the same standards. It's just biology.
The people in the comments you hear saying integration won't work in 2021 are the same people in the 1940s who were against integration in the military - based off race.
Although I understand races don't have strong differences and genders do. I'm just saying.
You just contradicted your first point in your second point. Gender and race are completely different. So are they the same kinds of people?
The first Female Marine was Opha May Johnson. She enlisted in 1918. Females have gone through boot camp and earning the title Marine at Parris Island SC since 1949.
So don’t get it twisted and assume that this is the first time women are allowed to become Marines.
No it’s not! But when she came through she came through with other women in 4th Bn like it should be. Let women be women and stop trying to turn women into men. Respect the traditions of the Corp. that is just one reason the slogan “ The Few The Proud was indoctrinated into the Corp. self. Pride to battle against your gender peers. So what happens when you get a platoon of 56 young men and only 3 females??? No disrespect but females can’t physically compete with males. What happens when a male recruit ends up hurting a female recruit in training??? Because he hit her to hard. This was not thought of clearly. This was a grease my palms and I will make it happen. Congress needs to be put on notice and called to the carpet to explain this chit. '
What the hell are you talking about?! Did you actually pay attention before commenting? It's about integrated boot camp training, not the effing first time women are allowed to become Marines. You wanna talk about not getting it twisted...😑
6:17 don't kid yourself sir, recruit training is a joke compared to even 5-10 years ago. Don't even bother comparing it to 20+ years ago. It's not your fault though, it's the fault of the public becoming weak bodies and seeing little Jimmy getting his ass held accountable and turned into a man for once
New corps is always weaker than old Corps according to the old guys. Second guy to sign at Tunn tavern was the original boot.
You all old folks need to get over yourselves. Corps is still making fine Marines.
You never hear of improvise, adapt, overcome? Change isn't bad by default.
@@agitatorjr What is the pro of having a gender integrated boot camp?
@@hhasslinger9601 if you can't see any then me pointing any out is pointless. You're already viewing it in a one-sided way.
@@agitatorjr I'm not one sided, I just really don't know what the pros are to doing it. Not trying to be argumentative or anything. What are the pros?
@@hhasslinger9601 I'm not Google. A quick search can find you dozens of answers explained better than I could.
As a Marine i dont think i could have put up with some screaming undisciplined woman screamimg at me like some hormonal housewife sounding off over some dishes i left for her to wash.
IF.... IT..... AINT.... BROKE.... *DONT..... FIX....IT!!!*
If any female yelled at me I’d be cracking up 🤣. We don’t build killers anymore
This doesn't actually answer the question, yes the recruit base is now intergrated, so what, so is PI, but are the PLATOONS INTERGRATED? That is what matters.
From the footage it appears the females are still in their own company, and platoons, and have their own DIs, & same with the males.
Wouldn't be advisable to integrate platoons, as the heads will be rampant every night
So I plan on joining the Marines this year. Will boot camp be integrated from now on? I am 25 years old and joining a little late but given that im older this bugs me way more if thats the case. I am older and mature and I want to experience this the way it was intended. With only men...
YOURE not gonna be in a male and female combined platoon. If you go to San Diego you may likely be in the same company as a female platoon but that’s it, I graduated from San Diego in an integrated company but we rarely ever interacted with the females
@@DTaze I'm in the east coast, does that mean parris island for me?
Some things just shouldn't change.
Is this because the recruiting numbers are down?
I’m sure they all have stories of their 2 mommy’s from California, such diversity and inclusion
Hey adam you have 2 mom's , betcha did not know that ...
tragic what ignorance does
As someone from and allied nation, fuck, were all going to be speaking chinese and eatin Borst in no time...
When I went to war, not one female could “man” the .50 cal and always had issues with the charging handle. We go to the field and most of them get sick chits. Send a company or platoon of female only Marines in combat and lets see how they go against the enemy.
ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME????!! AS A DEVIL DOG 00-06 I CAN'T FUCKN BELIEVE THEY DID THIS. MCRD HAS BEEN TAINTED AND HERE STARTS THE END OF THE HARD CORE THAT IS MARINE CORPS...RIP...
Man I remember thinking DI’s were hard asses when I first joined. Then after a year and a half in the fleet I had a bigger ribbon stack then all of my DI’s as a Lcpl.
Until a single one can beat me in a fist fight I shouldn’t be forced to pay for them to “defend me”
I graduated MCRD-SD in 2008 and I remember then in training my Senior DI telling us that eventually there was going to be a 4th Bn there for Females. So this really has been along time coming.
There's recently been a sexual harassment shortage in this country. For whatever reason, nobody's been screwing nobody. So...newly appointed DOD "diversity" liberals just figured to kick start the old court martial cavalcade with some offbeat sh-t like this that's all. Most of it aimed at these innocent drill instructors likely.
@@charlesburke2379 our political ass kissing commandant Berger has no balls
As a Marine, this is a disgrace.
The whole marine is a disgrace , used by president as hired killers for their oil control and nothing else. Honestly , people who join the Marines are low in IQ and are basically robots without common sense , they need to be yelled at , told what to do and what to think. Sorry to say but you just wasted your time by being a lap dog
And that is the end of my Marine Corps. They went out with a whimper.
Semper fi
Brother
I wanna WIN a war not be inclusive for a war!
Colonel Palma. Such a great man. Was so sad when he left the depot 😔
Agreed. He was the Battalion Commander while I was in 3/3 and the best BN CO I had while I was in the Corps.
Female drill instructors are goofy.
If the only point of this is to end “gender bias” then this is pointless.
"more difficult than 10-20 years ago"...you shittin me shaggy?? Lmfao
And at the 6:17 mark...I decided this is stupid. This guy really said boot camp is harder now than ever? GTFOH! Also I don't care if you man, woman, or whatever. If you can handle carrying a full battle rattle Marine in combat and hump 10 miles then carry on.
Sorry, but if I wanted to be yelled at by a woman I'd stay home.
I went to bootcamp in 2005. I was there for 6mo and left when I had a bad injury. I would have cried so hard if I went now haha.
Amazing. I'm part of marine Corp family. My brother on the 90 and my nephew in May 2022. Always a marine family .#usmc
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
So glad I went to boot camp in 2003 when it was still normal. Worst fucking idea ever.
Its interesting how most of these comments seem to rightfully point out how integration is a bad idea, but the like to dislike ratio is not skewed to represent that sentiment.
Huh, funny that.
Sorry. I love The Corps. Don’t change whats already a proven winner for hundreds of years!
No disrespect to my sister Marines.
Brooo I just graduated from platoon 3242 Lima co 3rd RTBN its so trippy to see this.
1977 USMC MCRD Paris island! All im gonna say is, This intergrated, boot camp, could never have worked In 1977, in my opinion the greatest era of making Marines, Senior drill instructions were the most effective! I could go on and on,im stubborn and old fashioned,
Glad I got out when the timing was right this shit here omg
I used to be proud to be a US Marine. I'm glad my time in the Corps has long came and gone. I wouldn't have functioned well in this new Marine Corps. America will surely lose World War 3! We will all be speaking Chinese or Russian one day.
Wrong direction! The Marine Corps should have stayed the course!
Sure we can train together but those standards better be the same
The sexism in these comments is wild😬
When I first heard about this, I can only think about many problems that can have in the long run regardless of leading to failure 😞
Dipshit politicians should let the Marines run the Marine corps
….I believe if it’s not broken why fix it differently. Should of stayed the way it was, the FMF is where the NCO’s and SNCO’S leadership and mentoring of the young Marine SHOULD happen.
From a male perspective , while American society continues to decay. We gotta give credit to these ladies. To be a Marine , gotta be Mentally and Physically fit and willing to give it all. Engaging the enemy hand-in-hand with their Male Marines. BRAVO!
Finally someone not talking shit about them and giving them the credit they deserve 😒
I would hardly call this integrated. This is pretty much what Parris Island has.
Just disgusting. And the masks…..I never thought it was possible to lose respect for the Corps. Shameful.
Shameful of you to comment this. How sad and terrible
WTF why do i have more ribbons than a staff seargent?
This is a freaking joke! Chesty turning over in his grave! NEVER,EVER thought the Marine Corps would join the PC bandwagon! I’ll NEVER encourage anyone to join the Marine Corps!
I'm waiting for a greencard (from Australia) I was considering joining the marine corps and the marines ONLY, because I read the incredible story of chesty puller and the battle of belleau against the Germans, after seeing this and hearing from many current marines the experiences they're facing (corruption in the marine corps) and how much the corps is pushing for PC culture approval, it has literally broken my spirits and have no desire to join anymore, kind of rude on my behalf but I want the full experience, not some half assed woke shit
So glad I never went thru something like this. Glad it was male only