Why West Coast has 'given up' on Adam Simpson as club eyes potential replacements - Footy Classified
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- Caroline Wilson gives Footy Classified the latest on the drama at West Coast, with Adam Simpson's tenure nearing its end.
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This Sam Mclure bloke is so embarrassing. Why does he still have a job. He is still back-pedalling off his “breaking Harley Reid story”, that turned out was just his personal opinion. How utterly ridiculous that they are comparing West Coast to North. West coast have had 2 top 10 picks in the last 14 years and they are in the last 2 drafts. Both look good, whilst one looks like the best draft pick of all time. Seriously going to compare that to North who have had 6 picks in the top 4 of the last 4 drafts alone. That is crazy. North have received 5 priority picks, then also get pick 3 for loosing a mediocre player. For crying out loud your comparing apples and orange buses!
You have written the biggest load of rubbish ever. Go check your facts before you embarrass yourself further. “Five priority picks”? Did you dream that one?
@@effkay3691 a 2023 2nd and 3rd round pick given in 2022, then a 2023 1st round pick and 2 x 2024 first round picks given in 2023. That equals 5 ya fckn donut. They traded all those into other high draft picks and players. You know how t9 spell so learn how to read before typing ya pathetic embarrassment
3:33 Hilarious this comparison given this show scolded the Roos 6-8 weeks ago for not having a Harley Reid to bring them up, now a temporary reversal of form between both sides and all of a sudden North has an exciting, stacked young team instead of a Reid-shaped hole.
3:30 It’s so obnoxious of the media to play revisionist history and act like they knew all along something that we didn’t because back when West Coast won back-to-back games, everyone was killing North Melbourne for their drafting strategy and not tanking the last game to get access to the number 1 pick. Now, all of a sudden, they are using North Melbourne’s draft history as an example to show where West Coast has gone wrong. Wtf guys
It's still wrong to not tank for Reid regardless of how north melbourne are going
beat me to it 😂😂😂😂 Only weeks ago they were slamming North for not tanking. Now they're praising the North list 😂😂😂
yeah even as an outsider its easy to pick up on the double talk pretty quickly
media is just embarrassing worldwide i suppose
Simpson and the board are to blame they didn't see the signs during the 2021 season when the club was in decline, we had enough fit players but lost 7 of it's last 9 names after the Richmond win where Kennedy snapped a late winner. Had they started the rebuild proper then, we wouldn't be as far behind now as we are. Players like Gaff, Darling should have been moved on at that point for some decent picks. Going back further the Kelly trade was a killer and it robbed us of more picks in the previous seasons.
Bingo!! very good summary of how LONG West Coast have had probems. They literally should have moved Simpson on years ago.
We've lost drive and heart, Adam Simpson has done great things we won a premiership under his command, But his time is over. I don't know who will be a good replacement, cause read the first lines. Damn we are sucking right now.
Something is weird at WC. They went from one of the best teams to the bottom virtually overnight and nobody there seems to care..
@tubester4567 the fans are so passive the " it'll be right" attitude , no booing after horrid performances, lazy support.
@@simonfaulkner1342blokes got as many spoons as premierships at the eagles.
As an Eagles fan I’m not watching another game until Simpson, Darling, Gaff and Sheed are sacked.
No one will Miss you
The person who commented on that is not watching until some are Sacked, Poor you
Play the kids. Chesser Ginbey Hough haven't missed a game Reid missed 1 game other than suspension. J Williams has played a fair bit this year but Waterman came from nowhere Ledwards played a heap of games at the start. Maric has missed 1 game and the eagles have played 36-39 players this year.
I think it's a cop out to suggest he isn't playing the younger players. Development is a different issue but is that the coaches roll, how long 5+ years and the eagles haven't had a list manager. This isn't on the coach. But the club
Yes, I think that's accurate.
He also took Gaff out of the team basically. The only ones I'd like to see him play are Clay Hall and more of Jai Culley.
@@Mark-tj4ys that may be true but i was pointing out the bad reporting. the criticism should have been why isn't anyone developing? not why are young guys not getting games. also i dont care that much about one guy, we should build players for the team and not a team around a player. if he goes we get a kings ransom if he stays he will be an important cog in our club.
@@Mark-tj4ys agreed and moving some players on when we don't have the draft capital to replace them will be hard. Not a lot of free agents this year not to replenish holes left by senior players leaving.
We will have to hold some mid tier talent for another 3 years.
But you never know maybe playing some players in different positions like Chesser and Ginbey in the back line might strengthen some positions but hard yards are just beginning for our boys
Are the board expecting a complete turnaround in half a year?
Seriously, tossing the coin and handshakes?? Ooo, really solid footy analisys there Corn. 🙄
Yeah, that was a bit of a nothing.
The hilarious thing is, selection committee isn't a head coach dictatorship. Simmo alone isn't the reason "the kids aren't playing" (which is nonsense, because I don't even recognise half the team at this point)
Sean Darcy and Jackson doesn’t work yet Cornes believes Melbourne flicking Grundy is one of the biggest list errors you could make?
came here to say the exact same thing
our 2 rucks living in everyone heads rent free, we dont even think about it at freo 😂😂
Who sent the text messages?
Yeo, McGovern and Darling
@@BradHall87 blokes who should have retired or been moved on.....
Jake waterman
Simmo probably sent them himself
@@BradHall87 if it was mcgovern simmo's got no chance, only player consistently in premiership form the last few years.
That comparison with North Melbourne is crap. What they wont tell you is they have been given priority picks with that group. Last Year North Melbourne had 4 picks before West Coast had their second pick. Like how no one dared to suggest West Coast be given 2 Priority picks this draft like North Melbourne last Year. Melb Media painting a narrative.
one of those picks was for losing ben mckay via trade, west coast previously stated they never wanted priority picks. you won a flag in 2018 and the list has been poorly managed since then, darling, gaff etc needed to be moved on to trade for picks. why lose draft picks to pick up kelly? poor list management.
Yeah nice one McClure, compare one first pick, 9 and 14 with about 10 top ten and five top 5 picks. North Melbourne has absolutely no excuses for being as crap as they are. Them and Gold Coast have access to an insane level of top end talent. The Roos will be the first team ever to entire a midfield entirely of top 10 picks. Not a bad handout.
@@jasondykstra5257yeah we know, it bumped hawthorn’s picks back one, and then another one for Gold Coast’s academy priority pick. We got pick 19 for Franklin, not 3. You wouldn’t trade 3 McKay’s for Franklin. People say Hawthorn got high picks when we won those flags, we had about 4 top 10 picks in 15 years in that run and recruited a lot of rookies, trades and higher draft picks. North will be the first team ever to field an entire 18 of top 15 picks. An embarrassing level of failure and handouts. I wouldn’t be proud about admitting that your club is fine with hand outs when others aren’t. Saying that the Eagles list has been poorly managed when you let go of key veterans early, which crippled the club, and recruited the likes of Shiels, Logue, Tucker, Howe, Stephens, Greenwood, and lost Higgins, Tarrant, JHF and McKay. Wouldn’t exactly say North has ‘managed’ its list well if you take away the top 5 draft picks which blind Freddy couldn’t f*** up.
Pick 2: position at end of the year
Pick 3: compensation for McKay via FA
Pick 15: Ports first rounder part of jhf trade
Pick 17: part of the GC trade in picks
Pick 18: part of the trade with Carlton (or Sydney, picks were shuffling quite a bit)
Point is. NONE. Not a single one of those picks was a priority Pick. Now those picks were before academy and father-son bids too mind you yet those picks were accumulated by North in an aggressive attempt to utilise and maximise their resources on top of what the AFL gave North. that was also under a cloud of "to be re-assessed" and fundamentally wasn't used as the sole piece that helped bring in what North drafted last year.
North were aggressive in their recruitment. And despite Harley Reid, who NO ONE can doubt, he is but a single player in contrast to the many that North have sought after.
That's what's been brought into question. WC's lack and inability to aggressively pursue players via the draft. And although the odd trade has brought in a player or 2, WC is in trouble for alot more pain.
Hate to see Simmo under so much doubt as a former North man. But it's emergency bells for WC as a whole, cause if they don't get the club in order, they'll be down the bottom ALOT longer than North has been. Tassie isn't that far away.
@@jasondykstra5257 I suggest dont listen to Melb Media, they told WC dont pick Reid and split the pick, also North should have tanked to get him lol. WC did not ask for priority pick because they got told by AFL it wouldnt be a good look after 2018 Premiership. Btw, North finished 9th in 2018 with 12 win but got 2 Priority picks 4 years later in 2022, The AFL gave them 2 extra 1st Rounds in 2023, and they dropped it to the media on Friday before the Prelim final, and just before the brownlow, so it would get buried by the media. AFL Laura Kane dropped it and guess who she worked for before AFL, North Melb. So WC with the record they have the last 3 years with a percentage of 49 last year, get no priority picks and North get 5 extra the last 2 years. And then FC compare the 2 clubs. Its a Joke !
Do these peanuts understand that North haven't played finals since 2016 and are going to finish bottom 4 for the 6th time in 8 years? You would hope they had some high draft picks on their list. The biggest failure of WC list management in recent years is actually getting games into West, Foley, Clark, O'Neill, Nelson etc who were all let go.
Not to mention they were handed gifts by the AFL
And they stand there every year with the priority pick begging bowl moaning about how they need help
so the premiership players that the list management have been dragging thru the last few seasons because of injury ,
have decided simmo isnt the one to bring the message.
he hasnt had the cattle but maybe it is time for the premiership coach to move on.
korn will be happy, he has had simmos head for a few seasons now but funny enough not once has said who could be his replacement.
but if your smart enough to swing the axe, be smart enough to nominate a replacement coach.
he cant even say whether josh carr will be the next port coach.
hinkley/simmo swap at port/eagles.
I reckon West Coast best options for their next head coach would have to be a former player who knows the culture of the west coast of old. I'm not sure who that would be but in my opinon, I know he isnt a former west coast player but Josh Carr is the best avalable, I would be amazed if he wasnt open to the oppurtunity aswell.
This entire show is two football players and two journos interrupting each other
It's like "The View" for football.
Then went into full rebuild in 2022. Kids brought in. Hacks in the early mid 20s have been getting cut. But its been considered that old veterans were still better than guys in the mid 20s that weren't going to get any better and perhaps lacked the hunger. It just needs more years of getting kids and using the rookie drafts better.
They only have Harley?
I honestly strongly believe that Ginbey, Hewett, Reid, Brockmen, Long, Chesser, Hough, Johnston, Hall, Bazzo, Williams, Rawlinson, A reid, Maric, H Edwards, Dewar, J Hutchinson, Burgiel and Culley will all blossom with a new coach
you saw it with the Giants, a new coach is really good with youth development
Adam Simpson is a great coach and will have another opportunity elsewhere and i will be heavily rooting for him
West Coast’s player development, management and coaching has been a dog’s breakfast for many years; so it is just impossible to make any kind of accurate talent evaluation on these players. Suffering through a 10-60 record has also been traumatic for them. I think it is only when a competent coach steps in and starts cleaning up the mess that any kind of assessment can be made on the state of the team.
Not mentioning north had priority picks is absolutely shocking
#22 and #23, take those away I think the point would still stand
You CANNOT use first round selections as a big thing
Some all time greats have been picked with late picks in the 50s
And they’re saying WCE only beginning the rebuild now? we have the most under 22 players in the AFL💀
"They said it would be a 5 year rebuild but it hasn't happened in 12 months so fire the coach"
One down, who is the next target, Ms Gossiper?
What did people expect from the Eagles? They’ve lost a few close ones, won 3 games, and improved their percentage by 20 points. Probably what’s going against Simpson is their late season trail off. If they’d had their good run in the middle of the season, at the end of the season, this panel would all be singing his praises.
Simpson in trouble?
What about Hinkley / Port
Young players are getting games. Regardless its not a bad thing to be at WAFL and learning your craft and developing confidence. Do the club want to play H Edwards on the opposition's best forward when you have Barrass and McGovern. Guys like L Edwards Chesser Maric have been gifted games. Hutchinson picked in second week after midseason draft. J Williams was average last years and early this year. But through careful management betwen WAFL and AFL he is starting to come on. B Williams just turned 24 is being given a go as a key forward making the forward line top heavy as part of development. Do fans or the AFL media be happy to tolerate a young side full of players that will end up being delisted in two years getting thrashed every week. What do the better youngsters learn anyway from that. There is just a lack of talent. They will probably offload more guys in their early 20s this year because they're not good enough. But what can they do? Is it better to have a side of mediocre teens and early 20s or experienced guys that have skills and leadership credentials.
Mate, even you must admit Jack Darlings form this year is frankly embarrasing.. and it has been a long while coming. They should have moved on him a long time ago.. ditto Gaff , Sheed and Cripps.
@@PeterM1-qx1tz I reckon they should have tried to trade Sheed Darling Gaff last year, even if it was some picks in the 50s. But they kept him on or he didn't want to go. I do think that B Williams Allen and JWilliams can't function in the same forward line. All ruckman forward types. It will be tough for B Williams and he'll have to get used to WAFL unfortunately. I think sadly they don't have enough small pressure forwards. Long is a long way from being good enough. Hewitt will hopefully become a good half forward. Cripps has another years and is playing pretty well and setting a good example. Trains hard. Brockman a disappointment. So do you keep giving games to him? like we did with nelson petrovskyseton o'neill brander and then delist them anyway?
@@BDub2024 Well, I think you can play three talls up forward...Waterman and Oscar Allen are the obvious choices... so then it comes down to either of the Williams's... I dont know if Bailey can be converted to a key defender because McGovern cant have too many years left so lets see. To be honest, I think Bailey is a better option on the ruck than the guy they brought across, moot point now since he is out injured anyway. Petrovski Seaton, I never understood why they recruited him.. he did nothing at Carlton so what our recruiters saw in him is a mystery... O'Neil was solid, nothing more and Brander, probably isnt a key position player who has struggled to get consistency because he is in one week if Barras or McGovern are out, then goes back to the WAFL the next. Agree on Brockman... we already have a bunch of half forwards , our need was to get some hardness in the backline which they have failed to do. We are very thin down there if either of our key defenders go down. So lets wait and see.. I just read Simmo is out so who knows who will get the gig. Apparently Brett Kirk is available, we need some toughness back in our side, so he might be a good option for us. Cheers ; ]
@@PeterM1-qx1tz I agree Allen Waterman and JWilliams is a good combination. We then need 3 pacy hard tackling forwards. Cripps very good. Ryan not defensive enough. Petch a bit inconsistent. Hewitt and Long may be the players we need as small forwards. Brockman really disappointing. Rawlingson maybe in a few years. But the moment BWilliams is played as a ruck forward, then its very hard to have JWilliams in the side as well. Then you have to go for mid sized types like Maric, Darling and co. I don't mind Maric going back to WAFL as it will help him become a more versatile player in defence and midfield.
@@PeterM1-qx1tz I was disappointed they couldn't make Brander work. Surely there was something else at play. He was very talented but at AFL level was played as a wingman and inside mid. Then he was gone. What a waste.
What did simmo say to bailey at the conference?
How tf are you going to compare West Coast and North back to 2019?
Caroline Wilson is AFL’s Buzz Rothfield
She has sources, but never actually has sources, it barely ever plays out the way she says
or Danny whatever his name is in NRL. He is a moron too.
this didnt age well lol. Simmo terminated.
@@imalwaysright true but this 1 was on the cards for a while.. as they say, even a broken clock gets it right 2 times a day
@@taxads7791 she like Buzz gets the odd story right but her stories are mostly nonsense like the flowers from Maynard which Gawn debunked, what she said about Carlton which Patrick Cripps debunked, what she said about Cam McCarthy, her attack on Craig McRae and a majority of the biased things she says about Richmond
Caro: "It's costed them money and memberships to keep him..."
Umm, is that true? Against the Hawks the crowd was almost 50,000 at a 60,000 capacity stadium.
Members might be frustrated, but they're still members.
its not true at all, victorian media bs. west coast membership is at an all time high, we are not fair weather fans like others elsewhere in the country. we know we will achieve excellence again, we always do. we support adam simpson 100%
@@adamlouis3725 Yeah.
The reality is that even if West Coast members don't like where the team is at, they know how valuable their memberships are, how big the waiting list is to get seats at every home game and all that.
Eagles fans don't mind a whinge that's for sure, but they are actually quite loyal and "unreactive" really.
The Eagles just don't have draft picks. They only have 3 picks in the first four rounds for next season. They may get some free agents, but otherwise their draft picks will be in the 60s and 70s mostly if they want to go to the draft table. It will just take time. But I agree a circuit breaker is important and they don't want a year of speculation in 2025 if he is going to end at the end of that year anyway.
Including Goad, Dawson, Powell, Phillips, Hardemen but excluding Hough, A.Reid, Hall is just atypical bias.
Nth have had 25yrs to gather all their talents. Last premiership 1999😂 great comparison guys!
Everyone on the 18th minute on every quarter stand up and scream, simmo simmo for acknowledgment of him winning us the 2018 premiership🎉🎉 do this on Sunday if you agree
Plot twist, Simpson and player worked together to leak txt in order to get contract paid out early.
I like your thinking haha
Harley Reid ain’t staying there 😂
Yep.... he's heading back to the Bombers
You need to give the supporters something to cheer for. The 2nd's blokes have to earn selection. You just don't gift it to duds.
5 tall forward of defence. That implies you do not want run???
Weak teams play 3-4 forward of defence so you can have more team defence.
A month on and now North are darlings. No talk about tanking for Ried now😂
Oversaturation is choking the game. They need to let the game breathe and give their takes a rest for a second. Didn't take a rocket scientist to realise North needed time.
About time...
It’s very easy sitting in your studio bagging others that are doing their best, alright it might not be good enough but they are having a go all while you so called experts think you can do better well put your name in the hat for the job when it comes have a go and see just how hard it is instead of knocking everyone that doesn’t come up to your standards.
I think next coach at west coast will be dean cox ashley cox bredon lade blake carella out of those guys to be coach
Kane, loves the smell of blood in the water.
Sam should never be on an afl platform, eagles have more then just Harley and north have that much talent because they’ve been last for last decade
then next year when Ginbey, Hewett, Brockman, Long, Chesser, Hough, A reid, Johnston, Hall, Barnett, Bazzo, J Willo, Rawlinson, maric, h edwards, Dewar and Culley all improve and have good years then Mcclure will be the first to be like “I never said they had no quality youth”
They’ve got worse since Allen came back - Duggan should be captain
They are both captain though*
Worst panel in football
Ok let's put things in perspective, after Adam Simpson finished his 7th season as coach there were 2 Grand Finals and a Premiership, with West Coast reaching the finals 25 times in 34 seasons and to vomit negative feedback regarding failure of development and draft picks over a 60 game period is Just foul journalism. Yes times at the club are going poorly, it's 5-6 years until the Eagles are in the mix for another Premiership and it seems right for a change in head coach leadership. However I say to this panel... Back off and show some respect for a wonderful football club and focus on the teams doing well, rather than going hooray we've waited 4 decades and can finally trash talk West Coast's on field performances.
Ben Cousins for coach
Nearly 3 years of rebuilding and its only just started? Hahahaha
Recruitment terrible
Not Simmos fault
Some of these Eagles players are just not up to it
were flying hoighhhhoighoighoi
Gee I hope Harley Reid comes to Carlton...we'll have him.😆
Can you afford him?
Mega LOL WaterGoat will carry this team, an Simpson will be there
Footy media continuing to flip flop opinions week to week based on a single result. After a couple wins it was all looking up for them until a few losses. This type of afl media is an absolute joke in terms of quality and lack of consistency. They have absolutely no care for how they negatively affect coaches and players. Its a shame how bad footy media for the most part is atm
No one in media has said that the club has done a 180 after any of their 3 wins and changing their opinions week to week. The result is still the same, they'll get less than 5 wins in a season, the coach will say they need time to improve, the year will repeat and we're in the same position as the last year. Reporting on and commenting on the fact that West Coast have done nothing for the last 5 years while Hawthorn, Suns, Saints, have all built their list to the point where competing with the rest of the competition isn't done in hopes of negatively affecting the coach or the players, its a hard truth and if west coast dont want to admit it or listen to criticism then they will stay where they are for the next 5 years.
No doubt Wilson will have all the details perfectly correct in her normal useless style.
I still think Simmo should stay, sacking the coach is not going to do anything. Maybe having a succession plan with Cox or Hansen might be the answer. I am perplexed why Darling is rucking when Jack Williams should be given a go, thats who was backing up Bailey williams when we beat Melbourne last time, and he got the tap when Harley kicked that goal from the middle. He also kicked 4 goals week before in the WAFL. I heard Darling has to play every game to get to 300 games. Cant be loyal when your head is in the chopping block.
You say you don't want a change of coach then go on to say you're confused with his coaching. Who do you think sends Darling to the ruck? Who do you think decides who goes to the seconds and who plays in the 22?
Simmo the nicest guy, and you think a new coach will just change things quickly, with a weak as butter bruise free Lazy playing group ..
True, Edwards and Williams are not even good WAFL players! Hough is a waste of space in defence and Jamie Cripps is as selfish as any player has ever been. Flynn has been talked as if he was Simon Madden and has been a disaster in the craft of Ruck.
Sack Simmo now, get Matty knights to coach for the remainder of the season and if they like what they see sign him on. If he’s no good sign another coach in the off season. If west coast are going to stick with Simmo until the end of his contract come out and tell it to the fans and public so Simmo doesn’t have to answer these questions every press conference.
How Lloyd puts up with having to work with three of the biggest muppets in AFL media is beyond me.