Isnt it funny how Niantic nerfs and buffs legacy moves every season to force you to use/buy Elite TMs? If you have not been playing for long you need Elite TMs for Machamp (2 Elite TMs), Lickilicki, the Marowaks, Dusknoir and potentially Jumpluff... Instead of making the game more accesible they favor older players more and more... I have never seen the Marowaks in shadow grunts since I started playing, so how am I supposed to use it when it has not been available for years?
@@XXLRebel I hate this TM system so much, charge TM drops are rare but fast ones are like 3x the rate of charge tms, it´s garbage when one uses logic and realizes pokemons can have 2 charged moves but only one fast one i have to constantly go to the inventory and drop out 20+ fast tms due to the drop rate disgusting!
@XXLRebel I've seen them all for sale recently. You have to check the boxes daily. Same box name different content. I'm pretty new to the game. I've seen the following TMs for sale: fast, charge, elite fast, elite charge. I think that is all of them?
@Meniser not really unless you're pushing to climb higher ranks. Biggest issue you'll run into at lower ELO is losing 1v1's against a same pokemon matchup.
My buddy lickitung felt so good. Just got the ribboon and the xls during the pvp event. Its doing so well at world's this weekend and then its like not now! Lol
A month ago I just cleared out a bunch of pokemon I “was never going to use” I also just finished investing in some meta that is now useless. I like the shaking up of things but it’s frustrating because I feel like I just now built some meta pokemon. The same thing happened with XL pokemon, I was just able to compete in the master league and then level 50 came out and I haven’t caught up ever.
4:52 I finished building my medicham days before its big nerf, my last big investment was lickitung (finished maybe a month ago), and I’m working on carbink now. If my track record persists, carbink will be next on the chopping block.
Hey Z. I feels ya about the hoarding. I have all the mons, but not the TMs or candies for them. Glad to see your back, an have touched your roots. Good PvP season , the OG legend.
Niantic really just threw all the mons we've invested stardust in into the garbage bin. There's no Grass in the top 20, no Fire in the top 30, no Dragon in the top 40, and no Electric in the top 60. This may feel fresh to start off with, but we are getting an even more unbalanced disaster than what we had before. I'm hating this game more and more these days.
For real, when I saw the update everyone was praising it in the comments and I was like… uhhhhh so all of these Pokémon we’ve invested in are just useless now? Especially some of the XLs like lickitung are just nuked out of existence. People are going to be all cheery until the update drops and realize only a few of their Pokémon are still viable.
@@EbiLMunkeYyeah sure. have Niantic care about your invested Pokémon because of stardust only to have you mindlessly tap to the same 15-20 Pokémon in a VERY STALE meta. cool.
I would still keep them because they could maybe buff them again in the future I mean like the registers nerf back in 2020 and they buffed him again in 2022
I've watched this 3 times now. ha. Trying to prepare so I can get stuck at 2000 elo again. :P BUT, PLEASE tell me you were watching world championships live when YOU GOT A SHOUT OUT. haha. Right when he mentioned marowak, I was like, Zyonik just jumped off his couch. haha
I have a rank 1 shadow Machamp that I’ve been sitting on for a while !! And about a year ago I used 3 elite TM’s for fun so it already has Karate Chop and Stone Edge but ALSO it has SUBMISSION and I can’t wait to try it out in earlier sets. Of course I’m going to opt out for cross chop eventually due to the recent buff but c’mon !? A Karate Chop // SUBMISSION RANK 1 SHADOW MACHAMP that’s just too much fun.
too bad lock on will never get nerfed, unless niantic makes it a trade off increased damage for lower energy generation, but they dont seem interested.
Machamp getting to Close Combat (3.2 DPE!!!) after 10 turns is insane... I's close to one shotting Umbreon (74%) and Registeel (83%). I would run ABB with Machamp lead and use Close Combat instead of Cross Chop. Or ABB with 2 fighters in the back and Machamp as the 2nd one.
I definitely kept pandoro not sure why anyone would have tossed it out...even before this update it can do alot.. i keep at least 1 of every pokemon ive found even meowth
So in the current event, all wild lickitungs already come with body slam. If I go ahead and evolve one into lickilicky, will it still have body slam? Gonna be scared to do so unless I know for sure it will keep that legacy move
From what I've read, no, it will not keep body slam. The random rolls for moves are independent of the previous evolution unless it is Frustration or Return.
Is pvpoke accurate anymore? The switch timer reduction may make the “matchups” that pvpoke uses to rank less relevant. So should we take these rankings with a grain of salt?
I have had a GL rank #12 shadow machamp that i have been WAITING to power up and use. At least thats something to look forward to. I also had a Gastrodon ready asides from double moving it which i corrected just now.
Good thing I was saving up licki xl candies and haven’t pulled the trigger yet. Also a good thing that I have a rank 2 shadow machamp I maxed out for great league already. Rip to everyone who just used tons of dust for mons that are about to be irrelevant
groudon dont know mud slap in pokemon go. it only know mud shot fast move which get dmg buff, but nerfed energy generation. it make groudon drop out of top 40.. even landorus go down rank 12 if remember right. while rhyperior is rank 6... sad how much did lucky trades for landorus and work xl.. was plan i can start master league next season and now can just use rhyperior instead lando for better ground type. Bit sad legendary pokemon so rarely get move updates.. now rock slide has been nerfed and fire fast move buffed they should really give rock slide to groudon. same kyogre surf is lot more expensive now it would need cheaper ice type move like ice beam instead blizzard
I wish they would change more fast moves in some way. Water Gun for instance is generally pretty subpar. There are still plenty of moves that are just always bad, like Low Kick & Take Down. There really should be no reason to have a fast move that's bad on 100% of Pokemon. Pound and Zen Headbutt are also pretty bad, but I think this is done to keep Pokemon like Chansey in check, since they only have access to these fast moves.
I have 3 different alolan marowak for Great league. 2 with Hex and shadow bone - 1 has fire blast 1 has bone club - and 1 with fire spin, and the bones. Love all 3 lol
We don’t care about positive sets! We just like watching you battle! Also maybe you can stream and battle some of us once a week! That would be soooo much fun
RIP me, only recently transferred a double legacy KC/SE Machamp because I thought it would be useless anyway! Was also because it was only UL viable though, and I really only wanna play GL.
It won't affect the sims much as they're generally based on 1v1 matchups, but will be very noticable in game - pretty big buff to pokemon that manage their energy well!
Last season, PVPoke had a disclaimer on the energy-related changes, but they don’t this time…not sure if they somehow know for sure, or if the disclaimer was left off by mistake(??)
@@blakeharp2255 I noticed that too. I think they were just told, which would be a welcome change. With this many changes happening at once maybe someone in a development meeting at Niantic figured it would be only logical to include the community run guide for good PvP Mons in their roll out
@@smolchameleonYT I don’t know. We just had one of those rocket events like a week ago so I’m not sure why we are still able to TM Frustration but I just tried it and it still works. Edit: looks like it is because of 2024 Pokémon World Championships Celebration. You will be able to TM shadow Pokemon until tomorrow 8pm local time…. So do it before then!
@@smolchameleonYT looks like it is because of 2024 Pokémon World Championships Celebration. You will be able to do it until tomorrow 8pm local time. So do it immediately
So they gave us a pvp focused event filled with pokemon that are going to be useless in two weeks?
Lmao you ain’t wrong.
There's clodsire and carbink at least
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Typical Ni-antics.
Catch cup 🤷♂️
Forreals this some bs
glad I powered up my licky and transfered all my pangoros last week
Thats why I save everything. Sadly all my panchams were from egg so I just have some rank 900+
This is the one benefit of being a spicelord, I won’t let myself transfer any good pvp ivs
@@gerryendersen4718 i have some weird things built but i was out of storage
Isnt it funny how Niantic nerfs and buffs legacy moves every season to force you to use/buy Elite TMs?
If you have not been playing for long you need Elite TMs for Machamp (2 Elite TMs), Lickilicki, the Marowaks, Dusknoir and potentially Jumpluff...
Instead of making the game more accesible they favor older players more and more... I have never seen the Marowaks in shadow grunts since I started playing, so how am I supposed to use it when it has not been available for years?
I barely use any elite tm's. Have about 10-15 of each. The only stupid system is the regular tm system
@@XXLRebel I hate this TM system so much, charge TM drops are rare but fast ones are like 3x the rate of charge tms, it´s garbage when one uses logic and realizes pokemons can have 2 charged moves but only one fast one i have to constantly go to the inventory and drop out 20+ fast tms due to the drop rate disgusting!
@@sebas8225 Yup, it's not even like they directly sell them which makes them money. So I don't get why this system hasn't got a rework yet
@XXLRebel I've seen them all for sale recently. You have to check the boxes daily. Same box name different content. I'm pretty new to the game. I've seen the following TMs for sale: fast, charge, elite fast, elite charge. I think that is all of them?
@@tonyk438 Yup they were for sale on the online store since they Pokemon Go World Tournament event started.
I just caught a 0/15/15 dunsparce last week. what a luck!
Got a rank 2 last year. Love to see the love but I bet it’s because of Dudunsparce
Holy shit that’s insane. Big congrats to you. You gonna make people top left. 😂
Question do iv actually matter that mub
I've got a rank 4 just kind of hanging out.
@Meniser not really unless you're pushing to climb higher ranks. Biggest issue you'll run into at lower ELO is losing 1v1's against a same pokemon matchup.
I love updates like this cuz ive built ridiculous Pokemon for fun and now there all top meta, i have the top 50 of the new meta built
Thats awesome :)
Dude same, I'm legit stoked for the new meta
My buddy lickitung felt so good. Just got the ribboon and the xls during the pvp event. Its doing so well at world's this weekend and then its like not now! Lol
Same. Grinded for months just for it to be useless when I finally got the XLs. Could’ve used them for ultra league lickilicky or something. Oh well.
I remember when clodsire was siad to be rank 1 in pvpoke with poison jab surf etc but they never gave it surf and pj but now even without it its R1#
A karate chop, payback, stone edge Machamp is going to be crazy
With what teammates tho?
Cross Chop? Hello?
Machamp dont have stone edge
@@taguro1006its legacy
@@SimpleSilentShadow 😮
I love that machamp is top of the fighters but elite tms for the charge and fast move is rough
More than rough it’s robbery 🔫
I am gonna wait it out to see if the PvPoke predictions about how the changes will play out, are actually correct.
@@Jaguaist Good chance they are but also good chance they fail, it´s hard to predict with shadows and leads
I find it ironic that there was just a timed research based on the current meta and now half of them are down bad in the rankings lmao
A month ago I just cleared out a bunch of pokemon I “was never going to use”
I also just finished investing in some meta that is now useless. I like the shaking up of things but it’s frustrating because I feel like I just now built some meta pokemon. The same thing happened with XL pokemon, I was just able to compete in the master league and then level 50 came out and I haven’t caught up ever.
And this right here is why you save all your PVP capable Pokemon. Even if they are not meta (yet)
4:52 I finished building my medicham days before its big nerf, my last big investment was lickitung (finished maybe a month ago), and I’m working on carbink now. If my track record persists, carbink will be next on the chopping block.
I’m looking at that meta and carbon might be overrated already
@@angrydoge4038 well I’m only 10 XL candy away from finishing it, so I may as well do it
Hard meta will inevitably get nerfed, build solid non fondamentally broken mons to be safer 👍
I just stopped carbink because I feel he’s about to get nerfed
@@VeneerDept bink is very bad in the current meta
My rank 1 clodsire was already one of my go to’s. He’s gonna take me all the way next season
A breath of fresh air would be an understatement. This is a whole supply of oxygen tanks. I really hope this keeps up
Appreciate the walkthrough and really enjoying your insightful and mature approach to POGO content!
22:55 was so checky bro lmfao, you make a good point XD
Hey Z. I feels ya about the hoarding. I have all the mons, but not the TMs or candies for them. Glad to see your back, an have touched your roots. Good PvP season , the OG legend.
Dugtrio in the lead, Helio for the safe, and jumpluff closer.
Clodsire might pose some trouble
Please do that trainer! I am absolutely not running Clodsire/Dunsparce
Helio mud slap might actually slap,
Just use the bunny. It is more bulky and can take an earthquake.
Thank you Poke Genie for forcing me to keep non-meta, good PvP IV Mons. Very excited to put them to use this upcoming season.
glad that u r back, been a while since ur last video. been checking on u daily.
Glad to have you back my man. Lookin forward to updated shadow a-wak content
Bro this man is alive?? Zyonik glad you’re back
Lickilicky gonna be a wild card bruh. Is it running Shadow Ball? Is it running Solar Beam? I can no shield it-BOOOOM.
RIP Ledian, a real one
Counter isn't gonna be bad, it just won't be objectively the best fast move
They hate Ledian for some reason 🤣
Hi, thanks for the video! Surely you have in mind a great team with Seaking in this new meta? 😊
Niantic really just threw all the mons we've invested stardust in into the garbage bin. There's no Grass in the top 20, no Fire in the top 30, no Dragon in the top 40, and no Electric in the top 60. This may feel fresh to start off with, but we are getting an even more unbalanced disaster than what we had before. I'm hating this game more and more these days.
For real, when I saw the update everyone was praising it in the comments and I was like… uhhhhh so all of these Pokémon we’ve invested in are just useless now? Especially some of the XLs like lickitung are just nuked out of existence.
People are going to be all cheery until the update drops and realize only a few of their Pokémon are still viable.
@@EbiLMunkeYyeah sure. have Niantic care about your invested Pokémon because of stardust only to have you mindlessly tap to the same 15-20 Pokémon in a VERY STALE meta.
cool.
No grass in the top 20? Wrong, shadow Jumpluff. No fire in the top 30? Alolan Marowak is basically there as rank 31
@@dummyaccount2126 it’s going to be a stale meta after 1-2 months anyway. So enjoy it while it lasts.
I would still keep them because they could maybe buff them again in the future I mean like the registers nerf back in 2020 and they buffed him again in 2022
Two video days in a row we are so back
we have never been more back
My rank 2 shadow Golurk is going to be a menace to the meta this Halloween cup. Astonish and mud slap being buffed, oh baby!
I've been sitting on my XL candy on lickitung for a while. So glad I didn't invest now, lickilicky for UL now looks like the better use of those XLs!
switch timer from 60-50 is a bigger deal than people think. no talk about how the move changes interact with switch timing.
Great to have you back Zyonik! 🙏
I've watched this 3 times now. ha. Trying to prepare so I can get stuck at 2000 elo again. :P
BUT, PLEASE tell me you were watching world championships live when YOU GOT A SHOUT OUT. haha. Right when he mentioned marowak, I was like, Zyonik just jumped off his couch. haha
I have a rank 1 shadow Machamp that I’ve been sitting on for a while !! And about a year ago I used 3 elite TM’s for fun so it already has Karate Chop and Stone Edge but ALSO it has SUBMISSION and I can’t wait to try it out in earlier sets. Of course I’m going to opt out for cross chop eventually due to the recent buff but c’mon !? A Karate Chop // SUBMISSION RANK 1 SHADOW MACHAMP that’s just too much fun.
I just thought of this, imagine running registeel with metal claw. Probably not the best still, but still something new to try
too bad lock on will never get nerfed, unless niantic makes it a trade off increased damage for lower energy generation, but they dont seem interested.
I hate that I lose annihalape while feraligatr continues to be a monster. This is the final death of medicham
I made a Lickilicky a long time ago, thank Arceus I evolved one when it could obtain Body Slam during that event!
Good to see you back dude! ❤
Machamp getting to Close Combat (3.2 DPE!!!) after 10 turns is insane... I's close to one shotting Umbreon (74%) and Registeel (83%). I would run ABB with Machamp lead and use Close Combat instead of Cross Chop. Or ABB with 2 fighters in the back and Machamp as the 2nd one.
I definitely kept pandoro not sure why anyone would have tossed it out...even before this update it can do alot.. i keep at least 1 of every pokemon ive found even meowth
Your last video saved me so much heartbreak. I was in the middle of building a team and about to waste HELLA resources
Not only did I also just finally finish making my Lickitung (10/15/14), but I caught the rank 1 yesterday. I have no idea how to feel right now
Licki is still a bulky monster, you'll see it in some metas for sure!
I remember a few months ago I finally maxed out my old Dialga but then the new one completely took its place in the meta. I know your pain
So in the current event, all wild lickitungs already come with body slam. If I go ahead and evolve one into lickilicky, will it still have body slam?
Gonna be scared to do so unless I know for sure it will keep that legacy move
From what I've read, no, it will not keep body slam. The random rolls for moves are independent of the previous evolution unless it is Frustration or Return.
Is pvpoke accurate anymore? The switch timer reduction may make the “matchups” that pvpoke uses to rank less relevant. So should we take these rankings with a grain of salt?
I’m sure they adjusted the timer in their simulation matches.
Glad you're back
Thanks for sharing the links. Subscribed.
I’m glad that I used to want a full living dex in Pokémon go and haven’t gotten rid of a lot of them
when do the changes go live?
he says it in the video bud, September 3rd
I have had a GL rank #12 shadow machamp that i have been WAITING to power up and use. At least thats something to look forward to. I also had a Gastrodon ready asides from double moving it which i corrected just now.
Wow I just happened to have a shadow marowak powered up for the gl too 😅
you should be a teacher with how well you explain this games PvP
I feel for ya with the licki...
In the past, I built xl Nidoqueen -> poison fang got nerfed immediately. I built xl a9, charm got nerfed 💩
I thankfully had a decent iv gastrodon, lickitung (that I then evolved) and jumpluff, so after I’m done powering up jumpluff that’ll be my new team
Vigoroth had it coming 😂
Trevenant, Clefable and Lickilicky. Thoughts?
Why is shadow feraligator behind regular in rankings?
Grass types be like...
"My time to rise"
So power gem is still worse than rock slide for carbink even though it got buffed?
So glad I've been powering up spice! My fellas gonna be eatin good this season 😈
Can't wait to use my shadow Mac at Ultra league with Payback and Karate Chop. Thank you for this!
Good thing I was saving up licki xl candies and haven’t pulled the trigger yet. Also a good thing that I have a rank 2 shadow machamp I maxed out for great league already. Rip to everyone who just used tons of dust for mons that are about to be irrelevant
I don't think this man understands howhappy I am for him to be back jcccc dudeeee
As someone who powered up my licky just to swap carbink as my buddy I feel you bro
I'm about to go wild with Karate chop machamp in the ML. 🔥
yup had to make room for new mons.. had pangoro for SO long decided to say goodbye and now he has play lmao classic
If mud slap is getting buffed, I wonder how that's going to affect Groudon in the masters
groudon dont know mud slap in pokemon go. it only know mud shot fast move which get dmg buff, but nerfed energy generation. it make groudon drop out of top 40.. even landorus go down rank 12 if remember right. while rhyperior is rank 6... sad how much did lucky trades for landorus and work xl.. was plan i can start master league next season and now can just use rhyperior instead lando for better ground type.
Bit sad legendary pokemon so rarely get move updates.. now rock slide has been nerfed and fire fast move buffed they should really give rock slide to groudon. same kyogre surf is lot more expensive now it would need cheaper ice type move like ice beam instead blizzard
Groudon Dragon Tail is just as strong as Mudshot. Some even swear that DT is better because of the prevalent Dragons in ML.
Now they just have to let me pick the attack when using a TM.
The rank 1 gastrodon I’ve been holding onto is very happy rn
Last time I was building a medicham and it got nerfed 😂 this time it's lickitung 😢
I wish they would change more fast moves in some way. Water Gun for instance is generally pretty subpar. There are still plenty of moves that are just always bad, like Low Kick & Take Down. There really should be no reason to have a fast move that's bad on 100% of Pokemon. Pound and Zen Headbutt are also pretty bad, but I think this is done to keep Pokemon like Chansey in check, since they only have access to these fast moves.
It has to remain subpar so ultra league doesnt become Tapu Fini league.
I have 3 different alolan marowak for Great league. 2 with Hex and shadow bone - 1 has fire blast 1 has bone club - and 1 with fire spin, and the bones.
Love all 3 lol
I just built my shadow machamp for GL with KC and CC/SE it’s a rank 39 I’m happy with this shake up
why my pvpoke is still with the olod ranking?
The fact that I finally managed like 4 days ago to power up all the way my shiny lucky lickitung and now is useless, piss me off
Do iv’s actually matter that much?
Im so glad i was never able to power up my Lickitung. Id be spewing after next seasons changes were announced .
Looking forward to a lot of *boom* with this new meta 🌋🌋☄☄
8:53 😂
Yea 3turn mudslap doing 4damage😂
We missed you! 😥
I recently got a rank 8 shiny shadow machop for the gl!
rip the damn near perfect gligar I found a week ago. Hello to my sino tour xxs glastodon with rank 19 ivs
We don’t care about positive sets! We just like watching you battle! Also maybe you can stream and battle some of us once a week! That would be soooo much fun
I have a Rank 5 shadow Golurk and it’s squishy af. Hits like a truck with Mud Slap but demands shields.
RIP me, only recently transferred a double legacy KC/SE Machamp because I thought it would be useless anyway! Was also because it was only UL viable though, and I really only wanna play GL.
My question is does the 50s swap change these standings even more??
It won't affect the sims much as they're generally based on 1v1 matchups, but will be very noticable in game - pretty big buff to pokemon that manage their energy well!
I keep all PVP worthy mon I come across. I just can’t delete them. I am finally happy with my hang ups lol 😊
Gastron my beloved is finally good (I love all the mud boys!)
Licky Licky is probably going to become the next UL Snorlax
You said to not waste tms as I’m wasting tms trying to give lickylicky roll out 😂😂
Well, I have to say.
Cubone, perhaps I treated you harshly.
I converted all my lickitung candy to XL a few days ago… I’m screwed.
I have a rank 24 Mienshao but Force Palm and Brutal Swing still don't make it anywhere close to the meta 😥
Lanturn rode the wave. Now Niantic beached it. (I'll see myself out.)
Glad I wasted over a year working to find and max out my rank 1 lickitung just for its evolution to take its place into the meta
Guess this is still all subject to change given we don’t know the exact energy increase or decrease for certain fast moves?
Last season, PVPoke had a disclaimer on the energy-related changes, but they don’t this time…not sure if they somehow know for sure, or if the disclaimer was left off by mistake(??)
@@blakeharp2255 I noticed that too. I think they were just told, which would be a welcome change. With this many changes happening at once maybe someone in a development meeting at Niantic figured it would be only logical to include the community run guide for good PvP Mons in their roll out
no tanks nerfs no relevant change
when can we change shadow moves withTMs?
You can do it now.
@BIGgamez78 omg ty for how long
@@smolchameleonYT I don’t know. We just had one of those rocket events like a week ago so I’m not sure why we are still able to TM Frustration but I just tried it and it still works.
Edit: looks like it is because of 2024 Pokémon World Championships Celebration. You will be able to TM shadow Pokemon until tomorrow 8pm local time…. So do it before then!
@@smolchameleonYT looks like it is because of 2024 Pokémon World Championships Celebration. You will be able to do it until tomorrow 8pm local time. So do it immediately
I got a 1498 cp galarian moltres patiently waiting to be used. It will finally see its play.
Not me transferring every lickitung with good Lickylicky ivs 😭😭