Turbo/tsg/beast cleave rushing to your room with nitroboots at the first single second of gates being opened. Hpally/Warrior rushing away from cc/dmg ing. Rogues teleporting for insta sap. Great game
I think this would help a bit the faction balance: - Free faction changes to the minority faction. - Free server transfers to where your faction is the minority.
@@archaontheeverchosen7980 well you need the flat 8% speed increase from boot enchant, so it's not viable for warrior if you're meta. Unless you like being a zoomy boy.
The wintergrasp changes are mindboggling, i cannot comprehend how that's the solution they've thought up after seeing the community and how servers are currently stacked.
I remember seeing they wanted to make Wintergrasp more akin to a battleground and you would queue for it cross server. As long as somebody on your server wins this battleground for your faction, your entire faction on YOUR server has access to it.
Damn huge news about nitro, was planning going ingeenering on my DK so it's nice to know :) Nerfing ilvl could be nice for me to face war so i will not cry about it :p
The iLVL squish would possibly help specs that don't scale well with gear like Elemental. Would probably change the PVP meta too and make things fresh rather than everyone already knowing the best classes and comps.
That's certainly a possibility. At the very least it would put less pressure to raid for pve gear in pvp which is a nice plus. *edit* Also ele does scale decently well with gear as they certainly would like to use some of those haste pve pieces
I think the best way to fix balance is to literally force it. Horde has more than 55%? Disable character creation for new horde players. And ofcourse no transfers allowed
Yeah the upside is it will likely create balance, but it will prevent people from playing with friends and forcing even them to leave the server to play with the friends that were trying to make something on their faction
Well I usually don't do titles like this but the changes to fix faction balance is just awful and will certainly not work, and then the nitro boosts are a bad change for most people
Hahahaha, smh if only that came before I made it. Well I would say it probably doesn't change the list a ton... But if does force basically everyone to be engineering I think..
Cheers Markus nice to know I have some viewers from Austria! I could do that I think though the quick answer would be: Likely everyone LOL. But I'm sure I'd cover it in a video or something once we know for sure if they're doing it
Yes casters will certainly be better with these changes. Indirect buff for sure. Hunter, warrior, rogue, feral, all hurt a little bit from these changes
Blizzard is just so out of touch it’s insane. They try to come up with the most complicated “fixes” instead of doing the obvious thing that will make a few people mad.
It's far more important to change enslave demon to subjugate demon than to fix real problems with things so unimportant like core gameplay. The new dungeon finder tool allows rogues to queue as tanks and hunters to queue as healers. This is clearly less important than changing a DK move called hysteria to unholy frenzy.
I am still thinking about that myself. I'm thinking rocket boots will be better since ghost wolf is so strong as ele and used constantly. But losing the 8% run speed does hurt a little.
Ilvl changes no bueno. It’s making it even harder to get a raid spot as a warrior. Instead of being bad for 1/4 ok for 1/2 and op for 1/4 of the expo, we’ll be bad for 3/4 and ok for 1/4. But hey locks and dks will just be op the entire expo. Just screwing over the scaling classes. If they wanted ppl to stay in ulduar longer extend the season and buff hardmode gear. Nerfing tier 9 and making players feel weaker sounds like a terrible idea. If they want to make icc harder just turn off the dmg buff. Ez. It seems crazy that the devs are willing to rebalance and nerf 2 raid tiers worth of gear and think that’s fine on its own
Yeah it really is crazy, that's a solid word to describe the possible cascading effects from this. I feel like I read this somewhere before but I already thought they weren't going to do the ICC damage buff but who knows. It definitely hurts scaling classes the most, BUT I still think warriors will be really good for all of Wrath to difference degrees
I absolutely love the iLvl nerf. Anyone who is mad about it is a sweaty PVE tryhard who is mad they wont have a 25% HP advantage over lesser geared players. Period. Hyped for this change!
I think so, I was thinking about this one in particular but the fact that hunters typically play with paladins who have freedom AND they have master's call. Rocket boots + freedom is just insanely powerful
It annoys me they won’t remove racials in pvp but change tooltips like “every man for himself”. Blizz is basically admitting they are racist but noooo they aren’t sexist !
Yeah I fully agree, they're too busy with things like changing enslave demon to subjugate demon than fixing their new dungeon tool that allows rogues to queue as healers and priests to queue as tanks... smh
Free gold, free mounts, free pets, they need to do something besides just free xfers off - although I think gold in particular could lead to some sort of bot manipulation so probably not that
Well with them changing things like enslave demon to subjugate, clearly priorities aren't where they should be when bringing their new dungeon feature into the game where rogues can queue as tanks and mages can queue as healers. That shouldn't make it into the live version in any circumstance lol
about that belt... no one in my 3s team nor 5s had engi and we still got glad in both easy... so nope its was only ever a good item for 2s in double dps comps
Well it does depend on your comp a bit too, but if you were playing a a rogue/disc mirror as undead disc priest and the opposing team had a dwarf disc priest you were at a massive disadvantage if they also had belt since it was already a struggle to kill or swap to the dwarf priest with belt in general. But some comps that were execution heavy that had a lot of control didn't need it really like your saying. And of course some people just didn't use it ever so they never lost to their own backfires
If blizzard actually used their budget for huge massive powerful servers to run this outdated indie engine video game, I please would beg and get on my knees for blizzard to cross realm benediction with faerlina, that'd be insane.
I think that would be awesome, but they might be too busy with being as politically correct as possible like changing enslave demon to subjugate demon. Yet the new dungeon finder tool allows rogues to queue as tanks and warriors to queue as healers.. lol
All amazing although they should have changed boots too. Also it's really fun seeing a whole new set of people scream about good changes that steer the game away from the path retail followed exactly the same way they screamed for the bad ones back in the day. Blizzard thinking players make good game designers was a huge mistake and it's nice to see this team isn't going the same road.
Its interesting with the rocket boots. As tbf, people want nostalgia and "no changes" but I have fond memories of using rocket boots with my 2s mate to win games. It was removed later so technically its following the progression path. But for the better? Idk... But is it really a "change" if it was in the game?
It should not have been in the game in the first place, hence they removed it. In my opinion it is just stupid to bring it back. Pvp should be skillbased as much as possible and not a question of BIS character creation..
@Arvid S.R I mean a solid question and certainly if they implement it we will KNOW if it is a mistake or not. I'm open to it, but the for sure bad thing is everyone will have to have engineering as well as likely drop it later to pick up something like blacksmithing for the great gem options
I think so too, and on top of it just changing the dynamics of arena massively. You essentially have to run engi on almost every spec/class. I had everything planned out and now I think I will be engi on everyone assuming this change goes live which I think will.
It's decent at the beginning but loses to all the other feral discs and warrior hpals. It also has a losing matchup vs hpal dk. But it can do well against mage comps, rogues, and a few others. I should have put it in this list for S5 it's low 2nd tier imo.
ummmm Classic means CLASSIC, for all of its good and all of its bad thats what WE signed up for 4 years ago. "Blizzard" as predictable is turning this thing into a shitstorm...#NOCHANGES
Fml.. I was so excited for this. But now I'm out. Leave the game how it is.. Jesus.. I don't want to HAVE to have engi just for arenas. Gear is fine leave it alone
Hey you will still be fine. Warriors are amazing regardless and only get better even if the gear is slightly worse. But doing huge cascading effects like this is so risky by blizzard
Turbo/tsg/beast cleave rushing to your room with nitroboots at the first single second of gates being opened. Hpally/Warrior rushing away from cc/dmg ing. Rogues teleporting for insta sap. Great game
Yeah that about sums it all up. Going to be a CRAZY first season meta. But there is a chance they won't add it I suppose(I still think they will)
I like your take. You made me think about a point that I didnt think of yet. Subbed
Thanks, I appreciate the sub too:)
I think this would help a bit the faction balance:
- Free faction changes to the minority faction.
- Free server transfers to where your faction is the minority.
you've officially become my favorite source for wotlk content in the past couple months. thanks for the updates
Thanks for the love Jcichocki
Why would they put the boots in Arena? I actually hate this so much.
I love it so much my warrior gonna be zooming even more
@@archaontheeverchosen7980 well you need the flat 8% speed increase from boot enchant, so it's not viable for warrior if you're meta. Unless you like being a zoomy boy.
Yeah Warrior might be one of the only ones who wants the 8%, but who knows how things will play out - this is a huge change
@@apexanalysis8348 yeah, I don’t like it to be honest. Horrible decision, I’d prefer more balance than less.
Only silver lining, as a ret i might stop feeling slow mo all the time lol
The wintergrasp changes are mindboggling, i cannot comprehend how that's the solution they've thought up after seeing the community and how servers are currently stacked.
I remember seeing they wanted to make Wintergrasp more akin to a battleground and you would queue for it cross server. As long as somebody on your server wins this battleground for your faction, your entire faction on YOUR server has access to it.
@@Duwerq so what happens if someone from each faction wins their specific wintergrasp bg and they are from the same server?
@@joelswatten9611 I believe each would have a layer where they can access Vault of Archavon and "own" Wintergrasp.
Tbh they say they wont do it on the mega 1 sided servers. But for the small ones with lower population and somewhat balanced server.
@@Duwerq oh yeah like make the area phased, that makes sense.
Damn huge news about nitro, was planning going ingeenering on my DK so it's nice to know :) Nerfing ilvl could be nice for me to face war so i will not cry about it :p
Yeah crazy news definitely go engi on your dk no question. And the nerf will hurt the arp classes the most warriors being sad
The iLVL squish would possibly help specs that don't scale well with gear like Elemental. Would probably change the PVP meta too and make things fresh rather than everyone already knowing the best classes and comps.
That's certainly a possibility. At the very least it would put less pressure to raid for pve gear in pvp which is a nice plus.
*edit* Also ele does scale decently well with gear as they certainly would like to use some of those haste pve pieces
I think the best way to fix balance is to literally force it. Horde has more than 55%? Disable character creation for new horde players. And ofcourse no transfers allowed
It will hurt new people coming into the game playing with mates who are playing currently.
Yeah the upside is it will likely create balance, but it will prevent people from playing with friends and forcing even them to leave the server to play with the friends that were trying to make something on their faction
Hey dude what server r u gonna be on ! Grobb?
Everyone needs engi in arena is very bad
I mostly PvP, but as a warrior player (all I play) this means in PvE warrior just gets boned even longer before they really pop off.
Yeah a little bit, definitely a small bummer to warriors. But nonetheless they will still be amazing & fun
Honestly, these are good changes. Why do you think so many youtubers take titles like "what are they doing"? Atleast they are doing SOMETHING
Well I usually don't do titles like this but the changes to fix faction balance is just awful and will certainly not work, and then the nitro boosts are a bad change for most people
Before you choose to come to grob. Know that it's a warzone in hellfire and the Isle. Accept you'll be ganked and gank black. Grob mob rise.
Oh I found that out before I saw this comment LOL. I have died many times leveling my new toons in hellfire by level 70s lmfao
Hey Apex do you think Dk is OP in PvP? they can only mean Unholy, because Blood need to be buffed and what are some Pro/Cons from Feral/ Unholy 2vs2?
people like ulduar way more than TOC so I feel like it makes sense
Yeah that's a good change imo. Ulduar is objectively designed better
Would love to see your 2v2 s5 AFTER rocketboots announcement lol.
Hahahaha, smh if only that came before I made it. Well I would say it probably doesn't change the list a ton... But if does force basically everyone to be engineering I think..
These are potentially huge changes that will affect the meta. Not that I enjoy the 284 meta at all because it ruined what was the best pvp in wow.
hey apex, thanks for the news. do you think you'd make a video who might use rocketboots over minor speed enchant? cheers from austria
Cheers Markus nice to know I have some viewers from Austria! I could do that I think though the quick answer would be: Likely everyone LOL. But I'm sure I'd cover it in a video or something once we know for sure if they're doing it
Was thinking on rolling a hunter as alt, how much these will nerf them in ur opinión? Also as caster gona be better if this thing stand?
Yes casters will certainly be better with these changes. Indirect buff for sure. Hunter, warrior, rogue, feral, all hurt a little bit from these changes
Blizzard is just so out of touch it’s insane. They try to come up with the most complicated “fixes” instead of doing the obvious thing that will make a few people mad.
It's far more important to change enslave demon to subjugate demon than to fix real problems with things so unimportant like core gameplay. The new dungeon finder tool allows rogues to queue as tanks and hunters to queue as healers. This is clearly less important than changing a DK move called hysteria to unholy frenzy.
Please tell me are u gonna be in grobb ally ?
Grobb ally is where we will begin the wrath journey
is boost boots good on ele? or is speed ench better
I am still thinking about that myself. I'm thinking rocket boots will be better since ghost wolf is so strong as ele and used constantly. But losing the 8% run speed does hurt a little.
Ilvl changes no bueno. It’s making it even harder to get a raid spot as a warrior. Instead of being bad for 1/4 ok for 1/2 and op for 1/4 of the expo, we’ll be bad for 3/4 and ok for 1/4. But hey locks and dks will just be op the entire expo. Just screwing over the scaling classes.
If they wanted ppl to stay in ulduar longer extend the season and buff hardmode gear. Nerfing tier 9 and making players feel weaker sounds like a terrible idea.
If they want to make icc harder just turn off the dmg buff. Ez.
It seems crazy that the devs are willing to rebalance and nerf 2 raid tiers worth of gear and think that’s fine on its own
Yeah it really is crazy, that's a solid word to describe the possible cascading effects from this. I feel like I read this somewhere before but I already thought they weren't going to do the ICC damage buff but who knows. It definitely hurts scaling classes the most, BUT I still think warriors will be really good for all of Wrath to difference degrees
Big fuckin deal they're saying "hey go have fun for season 1"
Yeah but it's precedent, and it could lead to rocket boots every season or other crazy things like using grenades in arena, etc. Slippery slope
I absolutely love the iLvl nerf. Anyone who is mad about it is a sweaty PVE tryhard who is mad they wont have a 25% HP advantage over lesser geared players. Period. Hyped for this change!
Great change for non-pvers and a bad change for hardcore pver's.
Does mm hunt worth to use rocket boots in arena? Or better passive % run speed and go for javelcraft? (Arena 2s 3s)
Every single class / specc wants engi now.. 0 exception..
@@rbzgodx2346 Thats Sad
I think so, I was thinking about this one in particular but the fact that hunters typically play with paladins who have freedom AND they have master's call. Rocket boots + freedom is just insanely powerful
It annoys me they won’t remove racials in pvp but change tooltips like “every man for himself”. Blizz is basically admitting they are racist but noooo they aren’t sexist !
Yeah I fully agree, they're too busy with things like changing enslave demon to subjugate demon than fixing their new dungeon tool that allows rogues to queue as healers and priests to queue as tanks... smh
They should give free gold as incentive to transfer.
Free gold, free mounts, free pets, they need to do something besides just free xfers off - although I think gold in particular could lead to some sort of bot manipulation so probably not that
It’s like blizzard learns nothing from the past.
Well with them changing things like enslave demon to subjugate, clearly priorities aren't where they should be when bringing their new dungeon feature into the game where rogues can queue as tanks and mages can queue as healers. That shouldn't make it into the live version in any circumstance lol
100% arm pen stacking will be nerfed, Wars and Hunters will get hit the hardest
Prot warriors probably even more so then arms yes. I think rogues & ferals will be hurt too quite a bit but none the less all will still be great
about that belt... no one in my 3s team nor 5s had engi and we still got glad in both easy... so nope its was only ever a good item for 2s in double dps comps
Well it does depend on your comp a bit too, but if you were playing a a rogue/disc mirror as undead disc priest and the opposing team had a dwarf disc priest you were at a massive disadvantage if they also had belt since it was already a struggle to kill or swap to the dwarf priest with belt in general. But some comps that were execution heavy that had a lot of control didn't need it really like your saying. And of course some people just didn't use it ever so they never lost to their own backfires
If blizzard actually used their budget for huge massive powerful servers to run this outdated indie engine video game, I please would beg and get on my knees for blizzard to cross realm benediction with faerlina, that'd be insane.
I think that would be awesome, but they might be too busy with being as politically correct as possible like changing enslave demon to subjugate demon. Yet the new dungeon finder tool allows rogues to queue as tanks and warriors to queue as healers.. lol
All amazing although they should have changed boots too. Also it's really fun seeing a whole new set of people scream about good changes that steer the game away from the path retail followed exactly the same way they screamed for the bad ones back in the day. Blizzard thinking players make good game designers was a huge mistake and it's nice to see this team isn't going the same road.
Well you certainly can't please everyone that's for certain
Its interesting with the rocket boots. As tbf, people want nostalgia and "no changes" but I have fond memories of using rocket boots with my 2s mate to win games. It was removed later so technically its following the progression path. But for the better? Idk...
But is it really a "change" if it was in the game?
It should not have been in the game in the first place, hence they removed it. In my opinion it is just stupid to bring it back. Pvp should be skillbased as much as possible and not a question of BIS character creation..
@Arvid S.R I mean a solid question and certainly if they implement it we will KNOW if it is a mistake or not. I'm open to it, but the for sure bad thing is everyone will have to have engineering as well as likely drop it later to pick up something like blacksmithing for the great gem options
God damn the nitro boots in arena is a horrible idea. It's so much of a game changer it's not even funny.
I think so too, and on top of it just changing the dynamics of arena massively. You essentially have to run engi on almost every spec/class. I had everything planned out and now I think I will be engi on everyone assuming this change goes live which I think will.
wont touch it
Hideous that they are considering adding nitro boost to arenas. Should remove facials from arenas instead.
It's decent at the beginning but loses to all the other feral discs and warrior hpals. It also has a losing matchup vs hpal dk. But it can do well against mage comps, rogues, and a few others. I should have put it in this list for S5 it's low 2nd tier imo.
i want pve german fresh servs
Their wotlk reforged going to end up as popular as warcraft 3 reforged if they keep at it.
Please no
ummmm Classic means CLASSIC, for all of its good and all of its bad thats what WE signed up for 4 years ago. "Blizzard" as predictable is turning this thing into a shitstorm...#NOCHANGES
Not going to lie, alot of the changes they've brought in is pushing me further out the door.
Im right on edge rn to just go play warmane... this is retarded
It will still be great, I'd stay for the ride even with dumb changes. (I will stay lol)
So is it fake news?
Fml.. I was so excited for this. But now I'm out. Leave the game how it is.. Jesus.. I don't want to HAVE to have engi just for arenas. Gear is fine leave it alone
Yeah but it's not confirmed yet, so hold your horses
Not a big fan of the ilvl squish. I like scaling with gear and I somehow ended up playing warrior for wrath. Rip.
Hey you will still be fine. Warriors are amazing regardless and only get better even if the gear is slightly worse. But doing huge cascading effects like this is so risky by blizzard