Witness To History: The Investigation of Robert Hanssen
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- In 1979, FBI special agent Robert Hanssen volunteered to spy for Soviet Military Intelligence (GRU). Panelists for this inside look at the case include: Mike Rochford, (ret.) FBI Section Chief, Russian Overseas Espionage and David Wise, Author of Spy: The Inside Story of How the FBI's Robert Hanssen Betrayed America.
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I find true spy stories so interesting to listen.
The story of how they caught Hanson was what I was waiting for...great panel.
I have a different perspective on what happened with the Robert Hannsen affair, having been the CIA technical representative to the FBI during 1983 and had to work on occasion with Hannsen, who had to interface with me on technical issues relating to support from the CIA. During my tenure as representative to the FBI, I was approached by one of our Counterintelligence agents who showed me information that there might be a Soviet agent in the FBI, and since I was working with the FBI, I was chosen to deliver the bad news , this cause Hannsen to go ballistic and write a memo, in which he stated that I was interfering with his work. After going thru the archives, I found information that a project that Hannsen had worked-on had been compromised to The Soviets, but it didn't matter, since I was removed from the project and went on to other assignments. The rest is history.
You just said a bunch of nothing. Meaningless.
@@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday
I was there and very involved, you?
@kwnyupstate
MONOPOLY
That is an interesting story but Hanssen did not contact the Soviets until 1985.
@@Bob31415
Not correct. Hansen gave-up an FBI counterintelligence operation in 1979.
The guy was literally caught copying stuff, he was under suspicion, and the incompetence at FBI made it all possible.
Wow! Just listened to Sandy talking of her and Jean's book of investigation and arrest of Ames. Whatever brought me to this Spy Museum, I am grateful. My father began my interest in the 60's and Le Carre added to my fascination and admiration of those who try and keep us safe. Have now 'shared' with my brother and my son. Thankyou so very much for these marvellous productions.
Same but shared with my mom love John Le Carre and I have that read this book that they talking about very good
Bungling and incompetent security services. God help America if such incompetence continues.
Do they serve alcohol there or something? The drunk lady was hilarious
Timestamp?
@@FermatWiles
1:30:57
I have two questions and I have been waiting for 40 minutes!
Apparently microphone stands aren't in the budget.
What the heck is the story with the push blonde (and drunk???) woman who actually pushed her way up on stage insisting on being heard? I'd love to know who she is and what that was all about.
Had to be Marjorie Taylor Greene 😆
Definitely a wig…
The issue was that the blonde person did not follow the way a panel works. When at an FBI panel, everyone follows the rules, period. *You don't mess with the FBI.* No exceptions. She handled herself incorrectly and was escorted out. No further discussion.
I would love to know her story and what beans she wants to spill.
Steven R Who is she, this Majorie Taylor Greene?
Just read 'The Spy Who Stayed Out in the Cold' by Adrian Havill so I had to check out this presentation.
Good 👍 great work….. understand is key 🔑
At 1:32:24 Brian Kelly's widow thanks Mike Rochford and the panel for publicly saying that the 'FBI was wrong' in pursuing Brian Kelly of the CIA as the suspected mole. And then, Mike R. confirms Mrs. Kelly's statement and repeats it again, the "FBI was wrong." I don't know if the FBI said it anywhere else. Though Mr. Rochford is not a polished public speaker, he holds a wealth of knowledge and is worth listening to.
Very respectful for them to own up to the mistake and explaining what they were thinking at the time. I'm sure that put her mind to ease a bit but this is obviously something that haunted Kelly and his family ever since he was accused. He was exonerated and finished his career with them but I'm sure he and his family still held some animosity towards those who did that to him.
Barely!! The sound is awful and when he speaks he mumbles most of his words like if it isn’t interesting at all
@@martin5940 you sorry turd
@@martin5940 I agree with you. Rochford is an apologist for the bureaucracy and not a very good one at that. Mostly Rochford mumbled a bunch of gibberish that I couldn't understand. I am not an attorney, CIA agent/officeror even a college graduate however I know when someone is trying to blow smoke my ass. OH, BTW, I do have an Associate's Degree not that means shit! And I am 3/4 of a century old!!!
@@robertthegrape2192
I found his diction clear, but his delivery agonizingly slow, tentative, and labored. Most of those defects were mitigated by turning the speed setting up to 1.25 .
Does anybody really believe these agencies have improved?
Watch it at 1.5x speed and Mike is a great speaker.
1.25 probably better
SHADE
SUPER VIDEO!
They should have told about how Brian Kelley was brought back to the good graces. I feel very badly for him and his family.
And why did they call for security to cut off the blonde who grabbed the mic and tried to ask a question?
Leslie James She was a little out of order.
That blondes was annoying as hell and stood up for a long time before question time, blocking off the view of Mike Rochford while he was talking, it was obvious she was going to be trouble. When they asked for questions, there were others in front of her, but instead of waiting her turn, she went up to use the MC's mike.
Who was the blonde that was escorted out at the beginning of question time?
Unfortunately the FBI and CIA guys are average guys with all the power and resources of the state to do either good or do harm to the people or the country. It is really up to them. Checks and balances must be in place at all times.
In college one of my friends was the editor of the campus newspaper. Really smart guy, 3.75 gpa and almost too damn cute. He was very much against the Viet Nam war and the girls were all over him. In our senior year the FBI interviewed him and tried to recruit him. Those bozos didn't even realize he was a member of the SDS and a strong supporter of the Weather Underground. Luckily for the agency he told them to go to hell.
@Greg
Finally, an intelligent and spot-on observation and comment.
Agree. If an agent is going thru tough times at home our government needs to help them out. Divorce is so common in our agencies because they can't talk about work therefore the spouse suspects things. The hours are awful...so our government needs to understand the strain that puts on our agents. If we support our agents like we support our spies then many would not turn traitor
@@davewielhouwer11 Everybody goes through the same problems without help!! Are you kidding me? It is the persons responsibility not their employers! I bet you believe in reporations for blk people also you clown
There are no checks on intelligence agencies anymore. No one including the media hold them accountable.
Yes, "a premier," just one of many occupying the prime, first, singular, top, unique spot, a remark at the outset, filling me with confidence for what further I'll hear from such a speaker...
Very interesting. I have to say these speakers were very present to listen to. Terribly sad that Hanson not only betrayed America but his colleagues and his family.
Fascinating.
Excellent
Asking, please, if it's possible for captions - or even transcripts - to be added to these.
Thanks so much for these extraordinary accounts.
Failed at his job for 10 years and wasn't fired?
Mike Davitt Happens all the time in the Government.
ALMOST impossible to be fired from GOVT! Sad but true!
The apology at 1:30 would be more believable if not immediately followed by BUT
EXACTLY. I was going to say the same thing. An apology is nice if it is heartfelt. Following said apology with a 'but' pretty much negates the apology. They never take real responsibility for the chaos they cause.
I find the fact that 20 yrs came and went before they found this guy out. The damage he did to this nation is beyond being fixed. He was a traitor,so why allow him to live. We spend billions running the FBI and CIA and they never had a clue for all that time. So don’t pat yourselves on the back around this finding him out.
Interesting case. The two gentlemen being interviewed meandered a lot giving their answers, but interesting all the same.
Dear OhNo, you are correct. One has to have patience while watching this presentation. However, the speakers know whereof and what-of they speak. WELL worth OUR TIME. Thank you.
I think I'm actually the ONLY ONE who enjoyed listening to Mike Rochford.... Was interesting to me! :D
Hi Voice Of, I was transfixed while listening to Mr. Rochford. I studied the 'insider threat' for five years and wrote a dissertation on the topic . . Mr. Rochford is WORTH LISTENING to. Don't feel like you were the only one . . .
I thought he gave a very thoughtful and interesting talk.
You guys always wake me up because the volume never is equalized and I sleep with this on in the background. :(
Can you help me to understand why I listen to this stuff as I sleep?
@@luminography Look up ASMR. ❤️
the two elder gentlemen should have been miked up professionaly or at least given a table mike. Lots of feedback from holding it/speaking into it wrongly
Doing that now.
And then look up BME
I just wanna understand why no is ever fired from the alphabet agencies when they fail so epically.
I can't imagine being in solitary for 23 hrs a day. And he is in right now. How can someone bear that?
It is designed to break a person, not make them. It is a terrible fate.
Lots of suicides in that prison.
How do you know?
@@Tibs_Budapest Google _interviews at Supermax, CO-_ and see what became of that inmate.
I was in High Security for 3 years!!! Worst part of being locked up, I lost my cool and punch a Asshole C/O in the face and every time I went up for the hearing I was denied 3X.. I wrote a few books some screenplays and thought deeply about my come bk! Besides all that, worst part of my life those 3 years!
The Russian claim that they never knew who Hanssen was doesn't hold water with me. Walk-ins like Hanseen are considered by all sides as potential 'dangles' (i.e. double agents) and they are usually treated with great suspicion from the outset until their bona fides can be established. My contention is that the Russians discovered everything possible about Hanssen before they accepted him.
James Bowie was
Rochford is an a$$hole. You know damned well they knew who hanssen was. i won't capitalize the first initials of traitors!
We have massive traitor and pedophile running our country. Tue entire Democratic Party and Republican rinos are traitors and nothing will ever be done about it. They hold all the power and have been selling our country and all our secrets to China for decades which is how China has become such a military powerhouse in just a couple decades
@@jakeh6980 yup looks like we will never really know anything as YT is crawling with people /channels that are mixed w/truths & lies- Scared or having their own motives to jam the lines --it’s no wonder “the people” are going to do nothing - it’s the whole purpose I suppose
What if you believe your own setup is/will be compromised?
If unknown person A has info that matches with existing agent B, then A has access to intel.
Should your own agents betray you, you could lose A and B. Or just lose B..
Deliberately not knowing seems a valid strategy. I note the Russians had Bob's prints off the bin bags saved. They might not have access to prints but they know this holds Ramons irl identity.
Of course, your dangle point is also correct, and should it be known that an agency accepts paid intel without IRL attribution it sets up issues as you describe, plus deliberate "dangle bombing" to create friction, delays and confusion to an opponent's intel acquisition, like a intel based Slow Lorris attack.
I like these videos but the microphone work is bad...
Did it ever occur to you that post-production equalization and some compression could SOLVE this? No. Because, NONE of you are AUDIO ENGINEERS experienced with the processing power built in to the video editor Sony Vegas for instance ...
They couldn’t get lapel mics? Really? Damn.
Interesting discussion.
Crazy blonde storms the stage. Then, "Any questions from the audience?" The widow steps forward to single handedly try a federal case against the FBI!!!! I am actually surprised she ever relinquished control of the microphone. Damn, you feel hurt; how are loved ones of agents that were executed feeling?
they could have provided mic stand for mr. wise.
No. That’s a crutch.
I was texting with Eric O’Neill and they don’t even allow him to send his book (Gray Day) into the ADX for Hanssen to read.
Could’ve listened to Dr. Charney longer.
Amazing the FBI and CIA were not on speaking terms! How ( by Who) it got to that??
The agents get public recognition for winning a case. They recieve awards and federal funds when they can prove to the public that they are succeeding. This creates some competition between the two agencies. They have turf wars. There are also laws separating jurisdiction between the agencies. So, depending on which agent takes a personal interest in a particular criminal, they get personally invested in each case. They start taking ownership of the cases. They want to be reimbursed and praised for their labor on a case. Sometimes they get reimbursed for each case, right? They have review process every quarter of the year, right? Do you really think the agents aren't trying to catch a particular person because they know there's money in it? Corrupt agents will torture innocent people if they think their mark doesn't know enough to defend themselves. I can't believe you don't know this stuff.
@@heidimiller642 Or more succinctly put ... Egos.
What was that about at 1:31:00 ?
Listening to the agent's frank descriptions one gets a real feeling of just how screwed up the agency was. All the way from not having a counter on the copy machine to just being too egotistical to think it could be one of their agents. No wonder they have so many screw-ups. A bunch of arrogant a-holes.
Walter Roberts yes!
Walter Roberts Federal Bureau of Inbred DUMBASSES
It's called being human.
Oversimplification to the max. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Does anyone know if there is a recording of Hanssen speaking ?
You can hear him speaking on the phone to a Soviet agent in an episode of the Agent of Betrayal podcast which covers his whole story. I forget which episode but the podcast is very compelling. I binged it in like 2 days.
That was good 👍
Fascinating. Lot of griping here by the rapid gratification crows. Not all are public speakers yet these men did quite well, their focus being other than a podium or entertaining the quick fix, social media sorts.
Could you explain to the HEAD law enforcement official to the left of the podium to use the microphone, AGAIN? Good to know our best and brightest are on the case. CANT HAER YOU WITHOUT YOU USING THE MICROPHONE!
Ames was married to a Brazilian woman who was, according to Ames, from a wealthy family. This was his cover for the house & the Jag. It was later that the truth came out. It started with the discovery that she was NOT from a wealthy family. The money then drew attention to him.
His change in attitude and demeanour when he returned from Rome in 1989 is what attracted attention. The money is what nailed him - banking $9000 the day after meeting a Russian intelligence officer (who he claimed to be recruiting) on three different occasions was definitely suspicious.
Rosario is Colombian, not Brazilian.
Colombian
Loved the psycho incident at the start of the Q&A. 😂
Why didn’t Aldrich Ames end with Robert Hansen in ADX Florence Colorado? Lock up for 23 hours a day, with an hours exercise in a concrete yard with a mesh ceiling.
Really interesting, especially in the light of the British spy incidents, Peter Wright's "spycatcher" etc.
Peter Wright was a known fantasist angry at losing some of his lucrative civil service pension.
@@DonWan47 I agree that he was cheesed off about the way he lost out on his pension....which he had earned....but one only has to look at the UK civil service, the BBC, Universities etc to see that the point that he, and others say about anti British, (specifically anti English) people have been elevated in to positions of influence to see that he was correct!
Who was the blond lady that tried to take over the podium and was ushered out? What was she trying to say?
As to understanding Hansen and Ames, no matter how complicated they are and contradictions in their characters; they all had money as a factor and I think ego and feeling undervalued or unappreciated was also a factor in their treason. What I can't understand is how they could live or justify the fact that fellow agents risking their lives and helping our nation were no doubt tortured and killed because of their treason. Nor do I understand causing such high level damage to our nation revealing extremely damaging information to our country. Also why are military men given a death sentence for rape and these spies who the same as murdered fellow agents get prison sentences and even some get out after years or get true life in prison? It seems to me their crimes are worse. It doesn't make sense. These traitors should be considered the same as war criminals or serial killers. Also if you have to be willing to take a polygraph to be in these intelligence agencies, then why not make it law that they can be subject to audit and justification of all funds not explained by their salaries. And there has to be a test or way of weeding out those who appear susceptible to becoming spies. Ego problems and a person not feeling they have reached their potential and resent it. Maybe narcissism plays a part in their character. I think talking to family and friends being interviewed could weed these people out.
ADX Prison is worse than death sentence!!!!
In recent years, American spies have been able to strike deals in which they share with their agency what/whom exactly they compromised in exchange for a lesser sentence.
My understanding is the FBI and CIA do monitor agents' bank accounts.
Bk died Hansen lives I sincerely hope that the bureau and agency compensated his family for the duress that may have shortened his life.
Puffs of smoke- more like _sonic booms._
Anybody know what the crazy lady was trying to allude to? @1:30:57
😂😂😂😂😂
Some Greek
@24.50 extremely interesting - re his alienation- digger , etc- he had no friends
Flat a Venda - R$ 130.000 who is that lady who runs up to the mike - and what was she trying to obtain??
.at 1hr 30 mins - since I cant eneter the time per above.. geeze!
*1:30:50*
Batteries duh
Poor audio ! Could've used better micros, taken right out of the vast arsenal of eavesdropping weapons that they had ! ======= Matts'
verrrrrrrry interesting. robert hanssen fascinates me
Rochford has the face and posture that you end up with, after a lifetime as a bureaucrat.
Be might have had a stroke sometime during that career, no need to be a dick.
The Justice Department should place similar safeguards for Congress. Swalwell, Ro and others fell into, or targeted by, the Honey Trap.
If they listened to William Shakespeare, they would've discovered Hansen earlier
Oh, fuck! The DoJ and the FBI are a crock of shit anymore!!!
Who's William Shakespeare????
@@jeraldsamuel5598hes some dude who wrote some stuff in England. Idk.
The DIRT issue is EASY ..... You dig another hole to put the DIRT in ..... hehehehehehehehe :)
Anyone interested in the subject of this video needs to skip the first 7 minutes of it. It is a waste of time with the usual "...I'd like to thank blah blah blah..." by the windbag at the podium.
right, always same shit, director had no chance at McDonald's
At least you two pros are here to tell us that
I loved the way they spoke, so no worries for me!
Guys doing his job.
@@Whatever611 If you like wasting your time with mindless blithering, that's your problem.
Mr. Rochford could have summed up the "Graysuit" caper much more succinctly!!
Are you a speech writer or a motivational speaker?????
I don’t understand how Hannsen was so insistent on keeping anonymity when he walked into the Russian embassy. Bob, they have film on you and probably your voice. No, they have it. They have you down to the short and curlies! I just found out he died in June. I am sorry for this guys family. They endured some terrible things I’m sure.
Totally agree about Rochford being one of the most boring blokes in the world. If he is symptomatic of the FBI it is so easy to see why it took so long to find Hansesen
Good point. He seems very slow.
If you came for entertainment, welcome to the world of the analysis of cold, hard, boring FACTS.
uploadJ well said.
It is a lecture. What do you want, a laser light show or a Broadway musical????
Also, I would believe you never had the lowest level security clearance. How would you have the slightest notion about this field of expertise????
Anyone know if Hanssen continued to go to Mass in prison (and/or for how long)?
@DonnellOkafor Thanks. I was wondering if he's still "spiritual." Do you have any idea about that?
case closed,,,,,,,, get on with it,,,,,,,7:00 + of introduction, + buy this book,,,,,,,
Exactly. See my comment.
They all seem pissed up.
Uhhhh what was that ~1:30:00 ...
Maybe she was drunk, or a bit of a loon, or both. It was a tense conversation, maybe it triggered something in her.
A.I. would help analyze puffs.
The widow of Brian Kelly is pissed. You would think, through her husband's line of work; every possible, presumable lead has to be examined. The stakes cannot be higher.
She said she is an attorney. Is a lecture at a museum the best forum to try a case against the FBI???
The very first blonde, storming the stage was surreal. I wonder if you have to pass through a metal detector upon entry?
make that a mental detector...
badum-tsss
Oooo ... poor little Bob his father belittled him!
Yes
as did his work mates too
I listened at 1.5 speed, and they all sound normal. At regular speed, they...talk...so...slow.
1:31:00,…anyone know who this woman is? or can answer her only question?
WHY DID THE MAN NOT WORK ON THE WALKER FAMILY SPY CASES?
Update- Hannsen died in prison june 2023
Funny how people at the top are above suspicion.
Snowden is an American hero. Manning as well.
I think Hansen's wife should have been prosecuted for treason too. She had to be aware from her husband and the news about all these agents being arrested and killed in Moscow and figured out she should come forward. The priest and probably the Catholic church knew also and at the very least should be fined. If they are required to report child abuse, they should also be required to report treason that endangered our nation and caused the death of several agents.
Not only did she get off scott free, she still collects his pension🤯
Even shrinks have to report info to authorities when there is possible harm involved. Let alone when they themselves profit from it. I think it was downright criminal what he did, not just as an accomplice.
She did what she thought was right. She asked him to stop and to speak to their priest. Unlike Aldrich Ames wife, who became complicit in his spying.
Wow the widow let them have it.
He made numerous confessions to his priest, who should have reported him. I am Catholic.
Not so. That priest was only obligated to report him if he was reasonably sure that Hanssen would commit future misdeeds of such gravity that lives could be lost. .
Leslie James
LoL! It's the spy business Leslie - people die when they are betrayed. Priests need to be more aware of what's going on this world - the days of saying ''we never knew'' are over.
***** Yes it is the spy business and anyone who chooses that line of work should know the dangers. The priest doesn't work for the Feds and was following the teachings regarding the sacrament of confession. Btw since we don't live in France no citizen is obligated to provide information to the authorities.
Its a philosophical argument that no one can win. Just like lawyers, priests have obligations of confidentiality. There is a reason for that obligation. You can argue that this obligation is absolute and justified or you can argue that they should break the obligation. Either argument is reasonable but its an opinion
***** The priest was not working for FBI .. LOL
I'm so surprised The Falcon and the Snowman wasn't mentioned, because that is exactly what Hanssen did...
Was the falcon about Australia 🇦🇺
u 3 guys are the worst public speakers i have ever heard.
43:56 - I just commented on the William Hurt movie that Hanssen is like a serial killer, and there you go.
+Bikewithlove What's funny is there was a real serial killer named "Robert Hansen".
+Manden - Ugh, of course it gets weirder...
Wth is this - the Nancy Drew club 🙄
@@miztx2syuiip590 - Pleasant, natural exchanges in conversation is what non-sociopaths enjoy. What do you enjoy?
@@Bikewithlove sociopaths you enjoy bikewithlove? I only want to make you happy sociopath has now been updated. Lol - hey just practicing ya never know
These 2 speakers are a cure for insomnia.
Such a fascinating subject, however, these two turn it into a watching wet paint dry affair.
My remedy for slow talkers like these guys us to crank up the speed to 1.25
Michael Rochford is the human form of an auditory induced headache. Jhc. The guy just drones on and on without saying much of anything in a monotone voice talking in slow motion.
What’s with the woman at 1:31:09 butting in to ask a question?
Brian Kelly’s wife turned heads! Lol 😂 Respect her bravery going in there!
The inability to admit a failure of imagination stems from ego. The FBIs ego exceeds it's prowess.
These guys do a great job of making what ought to be an interesting subject sound incredibly dull. I don’t think they could have picked two more monotonous and unengaged individuals. Neither of them are particularly adept at public speaking. So glad I hadn’t paid to be in the room…
I wonder if there are guys from the Soviet spy museum in Moscow in the audience, just for the fun of it.
The way we assess Snowden is easy: a great patriot who turned in a bunch of serious subversives working to destroy the United States Constitution, one of the great works of the human race so far.
Hi David, Look up Christopher Boyce, a near mirror-image of Snowden in thoughts and motives . . but not in execution. THEN, go watch the Falcon and the Snowman. That movie was shown to Christopher and a room full of authorities when the movie first came out. Mr. Boyce attests to the accuracy of "The Falcon and the Snowman." thanks.
53:48
Recommend cranking up the speed to 1.25 for these guys.
1.5 for me. You are more patient than I am.
Safe to say you all will never be snipers - I mean in a real world sit u a ss down shun
@1:30:00 What the hell is up with that woman!!??
LordHealey which Blonde, I'm not sure either one is Sober, those 2 questions were about as convaluded as it gets...
I know right. Classic dumb blond for ya. LOL.
Very "Yes Minister" "Was it a bad fire?" "No it was a very good fire."
Peter principal in full swiing,
at least they don t fall asleep
1:28, hilarious-blonde in audience stands up to ensure her statement, umm “question” is going to be first-way to block the camera and show off your arrogance. You know, there is a shortage of arrogant and “know-it-all” policy experts in the DC area-she should move to DC.
1:28:00
She doesn’t own a comb either.
She needs synching - like her creator
@32.28 - again , more proof that this guy is an ego maniac
I get a kick out of old whitebeard putting down Hanssen on this video. He's obviously embarrassed having been hoodwinked, bamboozled, deceived, duped, and made a fool of my a young man who had only been an FBI agent for 3 years. What amazes me is Hanssen actually walked into the Russian embassy to offer his services with apparently no fear of being seen.
Leslie James: a VERY good observation!
No, Robert Hanssen didn't walk into the Russians embassy, he wrote a letter to a diplomat and inside that letter was another letter to the KGB officer in charge of counter intelligence. The Russians didn't even know who Hanssen was nor even who he worked for the CIA, FBI or NSA. As Mike Rochford said, the Russian didn't care, they trusted him because of the information he gave them and he had supplied them with the encryption keys, also Hanssen's information backed up the information Aldrich Ames was giving and vice versa. The KGB told there agents not to go near him or linger around the drop zone, they didn't want upset him or compromise him.
It was 1979. It was a long time ago. Maybe you are seeing things with 2014 eyes on a 1979 event.