Evidence God Exists. Do You Agree With This?
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- AskCliffe has a debate about being atheist, being agnostic, atheism, Jesus, and how God is real through love and life. Jesus Christ is God in human form and says so in the Bible through his prayer, faith, and being Catholic and Christian. Are you religious and do you follow religion? #atheist #jesus #god #atheism #christian #islam
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Do you believe it's more plausible that there is a God? 👇
yes sir
Yeah
I do not think any god that has been defined and presented to me is even possible, most if not all of the definitions that I have been presented with are internally inconsistent, full of nonsense and are mostly improbable, thus I am justified in rejecting them all until such a time as where good evidence is provided.
watch more of these vids, they explain it better than me. @@AnotherViewer
How are sperm created? And love is probably chemical just like dope
I’m an atheist but I actually appreciate this guys arguments. They aren’t arguing, their having a discussion.
As a Christian I respect your beliefs and respect you for respecting ours! 😊
same
i really love theological debate (im agnostic as well) so its nice to see some that isnt just a guy harassing gay people to farm "gotcha moments" for tiktok
@@LennoxMarryou’re awesome
@@LennoxMarr I’m so happy to actually see christians being good to others, keep proving that you aren’t all terrible and most are genuinely good people with a certain belief
This is how it should be. Two men talking respectfully to each other wanting to understand more. Not interrupting each other every second. I just love this.
Yeah you should see the stuff that he doesn't decide to post. He gets called out on lies and he is not very respectful when that happens. But when you get a choose what five or 10 minutes out of hours and hours you get a post it's very easy to always look good
I wish my brother could take notes
Hear me out: there was no beginning
@@darkeen42focusing only on the negative and hating that shouldn’t be who u are.
@@Tywone101 what do you mean focusing on the negative He's a lying con man. I'm sorry you like his lies
“I envy your faith” I never heard that statement before and it hit deep, I’m strong in my faith and maybe I take that for granted. I should appreciate that I love God because it’s not easy.
He's not saying that because loving God is tough, but because having an imaginary anchor for our problems and emotions is a lot easier than not.
@@adamastor207if that was true all atheists would just use the “imaginary man in the sky” to get rid of their problems. Loving God is hard, by default it should be the hardest thing we do, but it’s also the best decision you will ever make. Come to Christ brother, He’s waiting for you✝️✝️
@@adamastor207I see the point your trying to get across however that would be false it isn't hard for God to love us but it's hard for us to love him, because the devil tempts us with things that we might have done in the past that we aren't proud of the devil tempts us so we won't make it to heaven. If your reading this, this isn't me trying to come off rude this is me trying to help you understand so good luck and study well! Hopefully you understand and this is not a place for debate.
@@Jesus_is_king-yn2ss No, we would not. We can work in reality to fix our problems ourselves instead of desperately trying to grasp cheap and baseless answers.
@@Jesus_is_king-yn2ss Not at all. As an atheist I can understand what he meant by "Envy the faith".
It's a lot harder to rely on ourselves and swallow up our mistakes than relying on a higher omnipotent being for emotional support.
After all, the idea of a god was created by men, to justify what they couldn't understand at the moment.
I’m just so glad no one decided to interrupt anyone else or start yelling, it’s too normalized to have arguments at every turn that we can’t just have civil discussion in the open.
He just doesn't post the videos where people call him out on his b******* and he gets mad for people pointing out his lies
@@darkeen42what’s funny is that sometimes he actually does and thinks it’s like a “gotcha” when he really just got upset and went around their argument
I appreciate the calm of these 2 guys, but life actually comes from non life
@@darkeen42 I was just pointing out that this one in particular is nice in that there was much less anger and resentment involved. I’m not saying everything he says is true, but I am saying that people should be allowed to express themselves without being shut up before they can try to open their mouths. It’s not fair - no matter who’s doing the interruptions - that an opinion be shot down before it has the chance to rise. I do believe that everyone is entitled to their beliefs and values, but I do not believe that those values should contain unjustified hatred, prejudice, or unreasonable treatment. I personally think that people should be allowed to tell others of the same beliefs their thoughts on the matter and then move on, not try to control others in any shape way or form, since that is universally considered evil or tyrannical. They should be allowed to say their views, maybe not act on them if it harms others (and thus should be stopped) and then left alone to consider their values. It isn’t fair to strip a human of their free will and chain them from expressing that will. I’m so used to seeing people just absolutely scream at each other because they think slightly differently that it’s nice to just see two people get along, even if they are from the same belief system. It’s because of all the screaming and hate that there isn’t a chance at world peace, unification, and unrestrained freedom. Again, to reiterate my point; I’m not saying that there are not moments where he is in the wrong, but there is something to be said for men of peace and philosophy discussing matters of the human condition, that’s how advanced thought happens, which later evolves into greater things coming into existence.
@@darkeen42Do you realise he makes lives?
Im agnostic, grew up cristian, him saying “i envy your faith” hits way too close to home.
The fact that you care is good. That’s more than other folks nowadays. I hope you find the right people in your life who will speak truth and life into you
bro saaaaaaaame
As a once Baptist agnostic, I’m with you.
What does agnostic mean ?
@@Spider-Man715 agnostic can mean a few different things, for me it is that I believe in a god i just don’t know what that god is.
I love how he is asking in a way like he wants to learn. He’s not an atheist but wants to understand why he believes what he does and understand his point of view instead of tricking him into an argument. We need more of this.
It's respectful which is rare in these videos
But again he is spitting nonsense. If god lives he couldn't have come from nothing because it doesn't live. And if god doesn't live he couldn't have created life.
@@Lucci136 I forgot which chapter explains this, but it does explain God's existence in a metaphorical sense at some point. I remember having a Bible lesson over it when I was small
@@frogoyes7611 ah yes great evidence: "I remember reading something years ago that proves god".
@adrielbadillo1942 same thing could be said about the universe.
1- Because you don't see it with naked eye doesn't mean it doesn't exist, we know about energy because we can see its direct effects and repeat experiences. 2- Love is a chemical reaction, you can simulate the effects of love with drugs because it's physical, you don't love with your "soul" but with your brain and body.
Open for debate but that's my opinion
Also life doesnt Come from life
The first organisms on earth came from chemicals and atom soups
:2- Love is a chemical reaction, you can simulate the effects of love with drugs because it's physical, you don't love with your "soul" but with your brain and body" That's nonsense. Love is something that can barely be explained. Of course you can see the physical effects it has on the brain. But that does not mean it's just a chemical reaction. We are more than just the sum of our parts.
No debate just pure facts, but what is the drug that triggers your physical love?
Its just a question btw
@@dragonforce815It’s very complicated since it’s biology. The common anwser would be “oxytocin” but neurotransmitters such as dopamin have something to do with rewards and the reinforcement of behaviour, which could partly explain love. The transmitter serotonin is believed to regulate sexual desire, which i suppose does have something to do with attraction and thus love, but this might not count. But even this is upper level surface neurochemistry, it is extremely complicated.
I wanna know why I’m watching yard work while listening to theological debates.
love how he presents his argument in a respectful manner, but is always firmly supported
P.S. It's great that you are sharing your personal views, but few are respectful of each other's beliefs. Hard to find a mature audience in a YT comment section.
His argument is literally “I don’t know how the universe works so therefore god”
@@misterm7486explain how life comes from non life then.
@@sageart4771 I never said that
@@sageart4771 we don’t know where life comes from beyond the Big Bang but that doesn’t mean that god made it
@@misterm7486 that literally makes no sense fam. You do realize it takes more faith to believe that The Big Bang created the universe than it does to believe in a living God right? You do realize that Space, time and matter could not create itself because each element needs to exist with the other because if you had matter without space where would you put it? If you had space without time when would you put it? The only logical assumption is that something outside of matter(immaterial) outside of time(eternal) and outside of space created it aka GOD
im actually muslim but i am watching stuff like this to be more open minded to other religions,Thanks
@@swolzer not really we have different prophets we have mohammed as the prophet of allah (PBUH) and christanity focuses on the revival of jesus and his crucification,as far as i understand
@@swolzer ohhhhh thanks for explaining that to me
@@Axolotl861 Rev.22-13 Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
@@Axolotl861You do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, or the last Gospel. Jesus says things like, "Before Abraham was, I am." And, "I and the Father are one," and, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father."
@@Axolotl861 no he is the son of god right? sent to earth to spread the religion much like the prophets in islam do?
Both argument are easily countered, especially the first one..
1- he said that since in his observed world, only life can produce life, then all life must come from a primal life form, which would be a god, something in motion that spread life that he has within him.
What he forgot is that, in our observed world, life has always a beginning, and an end. So in this logic, this primal life, this god, also has a beginning. In this way, what was there before the beginning ? Nothing ? Then a life came out of nothing ? It's incoherent with the first asumption and then It's proven absurd. That argument has no sense and this was a logic reasonning, so there is no debate to do about it...
2- Love. It's sweet but naive to believe that love is something unnatural, almost divine. It's not because something drive your life that it has a superior meaning you know ? People live for stupid reasons and it's proven that love is merely chemical reaction in our brain to make us reproduce and socialize, since it's the best way for humans to keep spreading lives. I considered this argument however better than the first one since it has the notion of the natural inclination for life to spread hidden within it. This cause is somewhat strange when we consider than in all form of society, an individual life who can't or don't want to reproduce is always put aside. Since we don't know the pure reason behind that, it's not stupid to think that this motivation could have been given to us by something larger.
However the simple "love is strong, love is god" is not convincing at all...
1) There has to FIRST be AN UNCAUSED CAUSE for a cause to occur; Which means that God was there First. If a maker of Clothes sells clothings, how does he produce his stuff without being present first?
@@josuetorres-dj4ud are you sure there has to be an uncaused cause?
At first it may seem undeniable, however what if the cause had something to do with a different dimension.
We cant even imagine a simple object from the fourth dimension so it could be we cant imagine a complex set of cause and effects in the fourth dimension either.
Maybe if we were capable of imagining another dimension's point of view, we would understand how something could be made without an uncaused cause.
(basically, i dunnow)
@@josuetorres-dj4udit doesn’t mean God was there first. It means we don’t know.
Basically nothing about the universe's beginning makes any sense, we'll never know but it's fun to try and come up with answers
Guy's, it's just a TH-cam short. You don't need to be writing books here
Someone: You have no evidence for your god.
Cliffe: You dont build your life on evidence.
Someone: Ah ok, then which of the 2000 gods shall I follow?
Cliffe: Follow the evidence.
"Life always comes from life. Except for God. He came from nowhere."
Well in this specific case, God didnt "come from" ... simply always was. Time is only relative to us.
@@ethearian487 Then why couldn't the universe have just always existed? God is a sentient being, no? That's the problem. The only way that this can make sense is if you remove reality from the equation. God just always having existed is a far crazier theory than the universe always having existed. At least we have proof that the universe... you know, exists.
@@nickwilliams2415 True, I get what you mean. Sentience is assumed because just like how "the universe just exits"... so does sentience. Were not just namless rocks that co-exist. Life has yet to be extracted from non-life. So even if the universe exists, there is no way to exlain at what point life came into play without just saying... and then life. Which at that point the difference in belief becomes sementics.
God doesnt conform to space-time and matter therefore he doesnt have to “come” from anywhere, its hard to think about since were only 4 dimensional beings and god is outside our realm of understanding
@@blick1287 I love how whenever you bring up how illogical God is, people always come in with, "Well, you just have to stop using logic. God doesn't make any actual sense, so you just have to leave logic at the door and just accept that it will never make sense." Then, you tell those same people about evolution, or the big bang etc, and they act indignant about how none of that makes sense, and how is there just supposed to be a giant explosion out of nothing? That makes no sense! It's actually a joke. Your answer doesn't have to make sense because 'God' but everyone else gets shot down because it doesn't make sense to the people who believe there is a giant sky daddy floating around in the ether watching over us all. How about this. God doesn't exist. That's why he doesn't make sense. Simple as that.
I don’t know (because I was born much later than the original filming of this video) but everyone here seems so much more willing to understand an opposing worldview. The younger gentleman asked the question with genuine curiosity. That’s sad we don’t see that anymore.
its simply the current state of society in 2024, we are currently in a huge era of moving backwards from a huge amount of progress we made from the 90s to the 2010s. 2020 is the age of deprogression.
The age of the internet has also allowed people to connect with people who share their same exact views, leading to the loss of need to actually tolerate different views. It leads to huge amounts of animosity
@@ihateyourface2747you're joking, right? Because there's no way we're deprogressing. First of all, we are also working to get people to Mars very soon and there's also AI, which brings so much new possibilities for us. There's also the Artemis 2 mission, which will bring people to the moon ever since over 50 years ago. The only reason you really think this is because people love to see the negative sides of life, all the time. What's the proof that we are moving backwards? Where is it? Explain for me
This video was staged. They just pay actor to ask the given questions. Btw all the things he said were already disproved by science.
@@ihateyourface2747I’m a trans girl who realized two years ago. Great time to realize.
Man that guy is good at cutting bushes.
As a Christian, I respect this guy, and love his content. Most people who say they're christian, argue that God exists by saying some bs. But this guy explains reasonably and respectfully. Keep it up man ❤️🙏✝️
Life is derived from organic molecules (proteins, lipids, carbohydrates, and nucleic acids). Proteins are made from sequences of monomers called of amino acids. Carbohydrates are made from monomers called monosaccharides which have a basic formula of CH2O. Nucleic acids are made from monomers called nucleotides which are made of a sugar (deoxyribose or ribose), phosphate group, and nitrogenous base such as adenine, thymine, guanine, cytosine, or uracil. Lipids aren't made of sequences of monomers; instead, lipids have varying molecular structures that can consist of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, nitrogen and other elements. We don't recognize organic molecules as living, but they make up the components of living organisms. So in a sense, 'animate can come from inanimate.' Hope you learned something new!
Isn't this process called abiogenesis? Or am I misremembering
@@assassin_5656 Not exactly but I appreciate you asking. Abiogenesis seeks to identify an explanation that explains how the environmental conditions and chemical processes billions of years ago enabled life to form. My original post was in response to Knechtle's 1st piece of evidence for God's existence. My goal was to explain how proteins, lipids, carbohydrates, nucleic acids are required in order for living beings to exist. In addition, if we assess Knetchle's first argument for God's existence, we see it is not evidence but rather logic and we can evaluate it as such.
Premise 1: Life exists.
Premise 2: Life comes from pre-existing life.
Premise 3: life cannot come from non-living things.
Conclusion: Therefore, God as described in the Christian Bible is responsible for the origin of life.
My disagreement lies in premise 3. If I did agree with premise 3, I still do not understand how such a conclusion can be derived from the following premises. The only logical conclusion I can see that would follow is that life has always existed.
@@Steven_DunbarSL I see, makes sense. Thanks for the explanation👍.
@@assassin_5656 Thanks, I always hope what I'm saying makes sense 😂
The diamond in the rough, keep educating everyone it's a net good for all of us!
I love this guy, he debates stuff so calmily and genuinely respects his adversary.
Amen 🙏
Except when someone (correctly) assumes that he's Christian because he was born in the US. Then he flips out with a great deal of righteous indignation.
What if the person got it wrong? Then his whole premise is wrong. And his premise is because you are born in a country that's Christian you must be Christian which is false. This is because you can decide whether to follow Christianity or not. There's Muslims, atheists and so many more in America. People convert and change their beliefs everyday.
He was mad because what the young man said is basically that you don't have free will and your choices are limited by where you're born. You can be a Christian in a Muslim country and viceversa. If you became a doctor and was born in America who am I to say that you wouldn't have become a doctor if you were born in England.
So basic assumptions like that are very ignorant because you can apply it to anything and be wrong. Like if your dad was a murder does mean you are? If your parents failed school does it mean you will? Stuff like that
@@Hello-vx2fo Assumptions can be wrong, but they can also be very well justified. There's a difference. For an overwhelming majority of theists, the religion they follow is how they were raised, which is largely a circumstance of where they were born. Of course some people convert but when you see a white guy that's a Christian, it isn't too far of a stretch at all to assume he was born somewhere in the western world (and the US is a very likely and justified guess). If you see a darker skinned person who's a Muslim, you would be forgiven for assuming he was born somewhere in the middle east. If you lived during Antiquity and met someone from Greece, would it really surprise you to learn that he believes in Zeus?
This isn't the point, though. The point of making this assumption is to demonstrate that you have be taught religion. In order to be a Christian, you have to be taught to be a Christian. This falls in direct conflict with the idea of revelation, which is a central point of Christianity, and I suspect that's what he got all pissy about: he was offended by the notion that it's impossible for people to spontaneously be Christians.
Except his arguments are absolutely braindead. Life comes from life, yeah? Then where the fuck does god come from? This that shitty god of the gaps argument. Anyone with two braincells would see this bs
for his last argument: not everyone loves, psychopaths don’t feel much of anything. they don’t love
as an atheist, here are some of MY opinions :
1. the first animals evolved from water, and as everyone knows water is crucial to life (according to evolution)
2. love is a feeling made by the human brain
Correct
Exactly
people always blamed god for things they didn’t understand
That's why science get slower after religions start growing around the world, People start to think it's god things rather than trying to prove.
@@whyme7210 yeah and to this day we have things we didn’t solve that are people blaming on god
Clerical ignorance and bigotry are indeed a popular theme in films and novels set in the Middle Ages. It is also impossible to deny that the Inquisition was an institution established in the 13th century or that individual priests, monks and friars may indeed have been uneducated and fanatical. Yet it would be a gross exaggeration and a misleading generalization to suggest that the Christian religions “held back scientific and technological progress in the Middle Ages.”
The Middle Ages was actually a period of significant technological advancement. This would not have been possible if the Catholic Church as an institution opposed learning, experimentation and innovation. The Catholic Church as an institution was NOT governed by bigotry and superstition nor was it was inherently opposed to study, scholarship, and scientific inquiry.
Let's start with the simple fact that the Church, notably monasteries and nunneries, were the most effective centers for the preservation of classical literature and thought in the period immediately following the "fall" of the Roman Empire. This was especially so in the Eastern Roman Empire where monasteries were not immediately threatened, but more important in the West where they were. It is important to understand that it was in these religious institutions that the teachings not only of Christ but of Aristotle and Plato were preserved, copied, read, studied and analyzed.
Monasteries continued to be centers of learning -- not rote learning as in the Koran schools familiar across the world today -- but as centers of inquiry and study, even after the political situation had stabilized. By the 11th century they were very much centers of intellectual inquiry and debate. Peter Abelard (unfortunately more famous for his affair with Heloise than for his philosophy) is just one example of a critical thinker as a theologian, philosopher and logician. Hildegard von Bingen is, of course, another example from the same century. She wrote treatises on medicine and natural history characterized by a high quality of scientific observation. Later scholars of note included Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas.
Indeed, the very concept of universities - places dedicated to learning and debate protected by the notion of academic freedom -- evolved out of the Cathedral schools of the Middle Ages. Pope Gregory VII in a papal decree from 1079 regulated Cathedral schools and is credited with thereby providing the framework for independent universities. The first such university was established just nine years later in 1088 at Bologna, Italy. It was followed by the University of Paris in 1150 and the University of Oxford in 1167.
The learning taught in these universities was not confined to scripture. On the contrary, study of ancient Greek and Roman texts was an essential component of medieval higher education. It is a fallacy -- but a frequently repeated and propagated one -- that knowledge of classical texts were "re-discovered" in the Renaissance after such knowledge was "preserved" by the Muslims. This is nonsense. The University of Bologna at its inception was focused on teaching Roman law -- that is ancient Roman not canon law! The principal sources used for teaching medicine in medieval universities were Hippocrates, Galen and Avicenna. Aristotle and Plato were hotly debated in studies of law, politics, logic, and philosophy.
Universities also provided study of mathematics and the natural sciences, based largely on classical but also Byzantine and even Muslim scholars. The university culture at this time, furthermore, was based on debates, disputations, and the requirement to read extensively in order to pass examinations, which entailed defending ones ideas before a panel of established scholars. The concept of "peer review" and defense of a doctrinal dissertation today is based on this medieval tradition.
Just one small example, the knowledge that the earth was a sphere was widespread in intellectual circles in the Middle Ages. In the 6th century, for example, Bishop Isidore of Seville included the fact that the earth was round in his encyclopedia. The Venerable Bede writing roughly a century later described the earth as an "orb" at the center of the universe. Hildegard von Bingen writing the 11th century described the earth as a sphere, no less than did Dante's Divine Comedy written in the 14th century. Galileo was condemned NOT in the Middle Ages, but in the so-called Renaissance; furthermore, he was condemned not for saying the earth was round, but rather that the earth revolved around the sun rather than the reverse.
This brings us to the fact that fundamentalism, the belief that all knowledge is contained in scripture, is inherently more bigoted and anti-science than was the medieval church. It was the Reformation, with its emphasis on the Bible -- and the Bible alone -- that bred religious bigotry in the West.
Likewise, it is Islamic fundamentalism, not enlightened Islam, that poses a threat to peaceful co-existence between peoples holding different religious beliefs to this day.@@whyme7210
@@Aha_Bacon yep but a lot of human technology knowledge got destroy due to religion in first 1000 years. Even the largest human libralry(Bibliotheca Alexandrina) got destroy too.
@@whyme7210just because of what corrupted humans has done in the name of Christianity, doesn’t mean that reflects the teaching Jesus had told us. It’s ignorant to reject the Lord because of what we did to ourselves. Feel free to bombard me with questions and arguments, I’ll try to answer them and we can discuss those we both can’t answer ❤
Now I am a Christian, however, I enjoy that the agnostic man was kind enough to listen. In these videos, the man talking is always getting yelled at by an atheist, so it is a good type of mood change for these videos.
He literally posts the clips out of context to make himself look the best in each scenario. As for this dude’s arguments, they were laughably wrong and easy to disprove. All the scenarios he listed actually argue against him since everything he said likely came from god likely did not and actual evidence supports this, making natural a more likely provider than god due to the existence of actual affirming evidence
@@jacksonh2083 yeah the christian guy was literally wrong LOL
@@alexzhao113That's the whole problem lmao. People ask for proof of God and then they don't get it. Cause there is no proof.
@@jacksonh2083 You say that, yet you provide no case against his arguments. If you would please say them
@@RabidLeech. because I already have in this comment section, just not this comment thread. I will address every argument he made if you promise to read it all and reply, otherwise I’m not wasting my time
Life usually comes from life but after a large amount of time, a very simple, self-replicating organism can kick it off.
I think this is what you mean by this? God let's a mom have a kid butnin order to get pregnant an have the kid someone in the world will have to die my mom always told me that when someone passes another is born? I'm just trying to understand your comment more.
@animallife-xe8mx No, what i mean is a microbe of some sort was created in primordial soup, basically water with simple organic compounds that chanced upon the ability to replicate. The earth is millions of years old, so this extremely unlikely chance had plenty of time to occur. After which evolution took hold, which promoted the replication of microbes that chanced upon better survival conditions.
@@animallife-xe8mx first of all you're going to have to figure out how you define life and where you put that line isn't life just complex chemistry? Are viruses alive? You don't really understand the question you're asking so the answer is confusing
@@darkeen42 ? Ok? Then don't comment?
@@animallife-xe8mx why you don't like the fact that your whole argument is kind of silly being pointed out to you? One thing I can't define can never create another thing I can't define. Lolol I'll take their Einstein now figure out how words work
when i was little, i never believed in god. i never thought that i would ever believe in god. but the amount of “coincidences” and “lucky saves” that i have gone through have led me to change my mind. i’ve been given so many second chances that should have been impossible. i truly believe god is real and he has given me more chances than i deserve to change, and i am going to improve on myself. ❤️
Ayooo Bob my man
Doesn’t god just stay out of it, he gave us free will according to Christianity, and it says that he doesn’t cause the evil and Stuff like that.
@@lucassatchell8906 he does for the most part (i think), but divine intervention happens more than you think
@@lucassatchell8906 i’m the wrong person to answer that lol
@@lucassatchell8906 yes but that’s not the same thing, We all have a will to do on this earth, Free will allows us to do actions, And choose what we want to choose. It’s not because of God, However God warns us of the consequences, Wether through a thought or people etc. Because since love is mutual, We love willingly love God with our free will, Forced relationships aren’t love that’s toxic. But God even saves atheists! But since God is all knowing he knows everything that will happen, And the best solution. If you reject God with the events that will soon take place (Sooner than you think) Can you truly blame God? Everybody will know Jesus is lord of lords soon, So there will be no more excuses.
I'm Athiest agnostic, but also a critical thinker.
His first argument, as misinformed as it may be, is incredibly sound. Humans always base their thoughts and actions based on what they have experienced. It's completely sound for him to come to that conclusion.
Second argument is much less solid, but a nice sentiment.
iirc you can simulate abiogenesis(forming simple hydrogen into fat and matter then forming into complex lipoids) without any outside factor in a lab. just smth i wanna say
@@purpleduckbee You should comment that on the actual vid (with better grammar so most people will actually listen to you) because, even though I cannot verify your probably true claim in the slightest, I believe you could change some lives.
Idk man if i want to call the first argument sound, to me it sounds dismissive.
I would agree with life seems to encourage more life. But do you need life to start life?
i think life will develop over time when there is extreme concentration of energy like it is and was on earth.
@@ssStolengrad you can study how hydrogen/helium slowly build into complex glucosides(basically like 12 atom together) then turn into mixture and slowly over time turn into bacteria and that start it all.
@purpleduckbee just looked into it since I was curious. They incorporate genetic material as well, it has no indication of creating itself.
There are plenty of theories.
this is one of the better of these videos, neither of them are yelling at each other, simply asking and answering questions in a calm matter.
Please, hopefully, right now this gets to people. My mom just went through surgery. For about a week, she's been in constant pain and barely eats. We just sent her back to the hospital, and part of her intestines are not working. If she goes through another surgery right now, she might die. Please pray for her.
This is a very wholesome comment section. I appreciate that y'all are so ready to reinforce positivity and healthy discussion!
Actually, in laboratory environments we've observed complex, self-replicating (if I'm not mistaken) protein chains come out of certain conditions, mimicking strands of what could be proto-genetic material. Super interesting if we ever actually SHOW abiogenesis in a lab.
And guess where that life came from
@@Lokarshowenjoyer it was formed from inorganic matter, proving that complex organic molecules arise naturally, via geological processes such geothermal vents or lightning.
Yeah that experiment was proved false. Basically they lied on the information presented as well as added a lot of very unrealistic environmental variables. And all they got was amino acids. Which is the building block of RNA and DNA. So just because pseudomolecules were created and does not equate to full RNA
Only argument is that this was only proven because someone else aka a living being was able to create the environment for that to happen, so then the next argument in the chain is how can we prove that no one was responsible for putting the ingredients of original life
@@bendover9813 and what made the machine to do this?
I get the first argument, but the social impact of love can be seen through how humans have evolved to interact with each other. Is it more beneficial for the individual to be alone and solitary all the time with no help? Or is it more beneficial to be part of a community with support systems. I think that is where the feeling of love first evolved from
Yeah but that feeling of love transfers over to when people can no longer help us. We don't just abandon our grandparents because they're old or abandon our lover because they're terminally Ill. From an evolution standpoint there's no reason for us to care for those types of people.
@@rushzeiexcept there is an evolutionary reason, as well as a psychological one. Our mind has associated these people with positive aspects. They've helped you, and they've always been there. Plus, the preservation of life is the ultimate goal of evolution, and what sense does it make to stop caring for someone still alive? Helpful or not, death is what we aim to avoid
@@Bruh-ms7pl even if they've helped you in the past once they're no longer useful why keep them around? We see many animals just up and abandon the weak or sick. From an evolution standpoint they're putting you at risk.
@@rushzeiglad you’ve just found out that humans are the most social being there is. That’s the reason
Love is a verb. It is a decision of the will to act.
Predetermined biochemical reactions can't decide things. Only free agents can decide things. Therefore, only free agents can love.
If you and I can love, then we must be free agents. If we are free agents, then we are more than biochemical reactions. If we are more that biochemical reactions, then there is more to reality than the natural. There is a supernatural element to us. And that supernatural element must have come from a Supernatural source, not a natural one.
God is the source of the supernatural.
Argument against this is that if “life has to come from life” that would imply a god would be life, therefore he himself would have to have come from something
My alternative argument is that God is generally defined as an eternal, immaterial, spaceless, timeless consciousness that created the entirety of what exists from nothing. So this being is basically the exact opposite of anything that we have observed to be "life." Yet they still appeal to this being to satisfy the statement "life comes from life."
The general statement that life comes from life is true because life is composed of matter, within spacetime, made of DNA and mortal. Things we call life are able to make other things we call life because they are physical, within space AND time, not immortal and made of self-replicating molecules like DNA. To remove all of those traits and call it a God just destroys the foundation of the statement itself. The definition of life becomes infinitely broad so it can include fish and trees but also universe-making super consciousnesses.
If God exists before time and space and he created them, then God is not bound by time or space. He couldn't have been created as that would require a time before he was, which without time existing yet is impossible. Not sure if that made sense so let me know if you want me to clarify it more.
@@magnusTheRed312 but you're still going to need to explain where your God came from because the cosmos very likely is timeless and spaceless but that's not acceptable for you and your God answer isn't acceptable for me so we're at an impasse unless you can prove your God I can prove the cosmos exists. It's weird that your God is completely ignorant about the universe is supposedly made
He literally tells us that his entire faith is based on a lack of imagination and understanding.
"1: stones dont become dogs, silly
2: i have emotions, which is weird"
@@echiko4932 Careful, you're actually making slightly more sense than he did...
life is explained through science, love is explained through science
@@hesqn77 we dont know how the universe began and many other things however the examples that were used in the video demonstrating God's existence has been explained/proven through science. "it is all chemistry when you think about it" - Brian Cox (I am sure he didn't say that exactly besuace I cant remember his exact wording however this is essentially what he meant). You should also google a clip of when Steven Hawking was asked on his opinion on religion, he gave the most straight forward and logical answer to that question I have seen and I am sure most people will beable to understand it.
@@hesqn77 do you know what psychology is?
Religion is also perfectly explained with science
@@hesqn77it has not, doesn't mean it can't. Some say consciousness is actually a fundamental part of universe, proposing that universe is not perfectly tuned for us, but can't exist without us
@@ferretlord3990the science of religion is literally the idea of making people herd together to believe in something bigger then them to push your problems onto and follow the same thing without asking why do we follow to begin w. Most if all religion were constructed to have people think the same so its easier to have communities that all think the same.
just told us why HE believes this. I’m a believer by choice. it’s FAITH. there’s no evidence other than FAITH. let’s be real for a sec
Yeah the problem with debating religion is that belief in religion is always based in faith and personal experience, something that isnt debatable. You can share personal religious experience, but that will never convince someone else because personal religious experiences need to be felt to be believable
Well there is evidence of certain biblical events like the 500 people witnessing Jesus alive after his crucifixion, but while having faith is a very important part of religion especially Christianity it is foolish to have blind faith in something just because you want it to be true and so most Christian’s who have really thought about their faith believe it for more reasons such as the argument about the universe being unable to come from nothing and thus it must have been created by a higher power
@@Johnsmithswiss that’s all talk tho. there’s no proof other than word
@@stravocado there is no definitive proof of how life is created but we can make educated guesses by observing the world around us
There are many philosophical arguments for why God exists agnostic to, or relative to specific religions. Its insane to me that someone could possibly believe there is only faith and not countless philosophers who have debated for thousands of years on the existence of God and why he does or doesn't exist. Why do you think there is only faith?
Bro “it’s more plausible to believe in god☝🏻🤓” so ur saying that science has nothing to do with it ur saying gods behind all life? And why is that? If ur theory/religion is correct then why would he make people designed to hurt others??? And when you see someone pretending to be Jesus what do you do? I’m curious…
Why the fuck do people think they need evidence?
If humans are too complex to exist without a god then god is too complex to wxist without being created
Yes true
Their arguments always contradict themselves or don't make sense
I guess the universe doesn't exist then
@@jaoofy we can see the universe and we've been to the universe
@@AshloxThe difference is that humans, like everything in the observable universe, has a beginning and end. We are born, we live, and we die, just like everything we see in existence. God doesn’t age, doesn’t have a beginning, and doesn’t have an end, so he does not need a creator. We know that everything in time must have cause, including our existence and the existence of the universe. God does not require cause because He is outside of time
The fact that no one has observed life coming from non life doesn't mean it's impossible. Life has so many complex chemical processes and reactions that must all go right, so it's probably just extraordinarily rare.
Love is also pretty easy to explain without god. People gotta make more people and protect the people they know and the people they make. Sociality helps with all of that, so of course we'd evolve to naturally have love. Creatures without love tend to die off, so here we humans are with our families and friends, being the most prosperous beings in all of Earth's history.
wouldnt you rather believe theres something more?
Edit: sorry for speaking stop fucking arguing with me, I don’t care!
@@eggroll1548 Why would I believe it if there's no proof? Logically, I know there's no reason to believe in God. If I choose to believe, for my comfort, then I'll know that I'm just lying to myself.
And that being said, I (sort of) do believe there is more to life than arbitrary chemicals. We, humans, are just as much a part of the world as any inanimate object. The difference is that we interact with and observe the world, and we extract all of our happiness from doing so. I think people are the world's means of introspection, and that's much more comforting to me than, say, "God made us for fun."
Imagine 2 dudes in a room. 1 is a body builder, 1 is an Olympic runner. If those two raced, its not impossible for the body builder to win, there are cases of body builders being superior to Olympics participants. But most people would rather bet on the Olympics Runner.
Yeah, its possible for us to have came from nonlife. But most people would rather think we came from life
@@jaoofy Of course _humans_ came from life. We came from a long line of changing animals that traces back to one extraordinarily simple cell, that still took a multitude of coincidences. There is genuine proof that this cell existed and we evolved from it, whereas there is no proof that there is God.
@@eggroll1548appeal to emotions mean nothing here
My friend is an atheist and that’s okay I don’t mind but my problem with her is that she insults everyone that believes in some tippe of higher being
She’s not only saying that believers are stupid She full on calls them crazy and brings out all the insults she has
I am not a very confronting person and I can’t argue with her I choose to keep my distance but it hurts Everytime she says mean stuff
I don’t feel comfortable even mentioning to her that I am Christian due to the constant fear of being attacked
But more than all that I feel sad for her I pray for her even though she makes me cry I cry for her because I pity her
I love every religious or not religious people but she is an exception
I’m just scared that if I don’t pray for her nobody will..
Although I am a Christian I do have one thing to say: even if there isn’t a god, isn’t it better to go about life believing there is a highest power that cares about you and that a brighter forever lies ahead?
That is only better for a person scared of the unknown/death
Look at the complexity of nature and humans. There is definitely a God.
Amen 🙏
@@GodsMotivationHubAlmond 🙏
Not really.
All of the errors in the human body are better explained by evolution than by there being some kind of creator.
1. An unsound spine
Our spines are a mess. It’s a wonder we can even walk, says Bruce Latimer, director of the Center for Human Origins at Case Western Reserve University, in Cleveland. When our ancestors walked on all fours, their spines arched, like a bow, to withstand the weight of the organs suspended below. But then we stood up. That threw the system out of whack by 90 degrees, and the spine was forced to become a column. Next, to allow for bipedalism, it curved forward at the lower back. And to keep the head in balance-so that we didn’t all walk around as if doing the limbo-the upper spine curved in the opposite direction. This change put tremendous pressure on the lower vertebrae, sticking about 80 percent of adults, according to one estimate, with lower back pain.
2. An inflexible knee
As Bruce Latimer says, “You take the most complex joint in the body and put it between two huge levers-the femur and the tibia-and you’re looking for trouble.” The upshot is your knee only rotates in two directions: forward and back. “That’s why every major sport, except maybe rugby, makes it illegal to clip, or hit an opponent’s knee from the side.”
3. A too-narrow pelvis
Childbirth hurts. And to add insult to injury, the width of a woman’s pelvis hasn’t changed for some 200,000 years, keeping our brains from growing larger.
4. Exposed testicles
A man’s life-giving organs hang vulnerably outside the body.
5. Crowded teeth
Humans typically have three molars on each side of the upper and lower jaws near the back of the mouth. When our brain drastically expanded in size, the jaw grew wider and shorter, leaving no room for the third, farthest back molars. These cusped grinders may have been useful before we learned to cook and process food. But now the “wisdom teeth” mostly just get painfully impacted in the gums.
6. Meandering arteries
Blood flows into each of your arms and legs via one main artery, which enters the limb on the front side of the body, by the biceps or hip flexors. To supply blood to tissues at a limb’s back side, such as the triceps and hamstrings, the artery branches out, taking circuitous routes around bones and bundling itself with nerves. This roundabout plumbing can make for some rather annoying glitches. At the elbow, for instance, an artery branch meets up with the ulnar nerve, which animates your little finger, just under the skin. That’s why your arm goes numb when the lower tip of your upper arm bone, called the humerus or “funny bone,” takes a sharp blow.
7. A backward retina
The photoreceptor cells in the retina of the eye are like microphones facing backward, writes Nathan Lents, an associate professor of molecular biology at the City University of New York. This design forces light to travel the length of each cell, as well as through blood and tissue, to reach the equivalent of a receiver on the cell’s backside. The setup may encourage the retina to detach from its supporting tissue-a leading cause of blindness. It also creates a blind spot where cell fibers, akin to microphone cables, converge at the optic nerve-making the brain refill the hole.
8. A misrouted nerve
The recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN) plays a vital role in our ability to speak and swallow. It feeds instructions from the brain to the muscles of the voice box, or larynx, below the vocal cords. Theoretically, the trip should be a quick one. But during fetal development, the RLN gets entwined in a tiny lump of tissue in the neck, which descends to become blood vessels near the heart. That drop causes the nerve to loop around the aorta before traveling back up the larynx. Having this nerve in your chest makes it vulnerable during surgery-or a fist fight.
9. A misplaced voice box
The trachea (windpipe) and esophagus (food pipe) open into the same space, the pharynx, which extends from the nose and mouth to the larynx (voice box). To keep food out of the trachea, a leaf-shaped flap called the epiglottis reflexively covers the opening to the larynx whenever you swallow. But sometimes, the epiglottis isn’t fast enough. If you’re talking and laughing while eating, food may slip down and get lodged in your airway, causing you to choke.
10. A klugey brain
The human brain evolved in stages. As new additions were being built, older parts had to remain online to keep us up and running, explains psychologist Gary Marcus in his book Kluge: The Haphazard Evolution of the Mind. And that live-in construction project led to slapdash workarounds. It’s as if the brain were a dysfunctional workplace, where young employees (the forebrain) handled newfangled technologies like language while the old guard (the midbrain and hindbrain) oversaw the institutional memory-and the fuse box in the basement. A few outcomes: depression, madness, unreliable memories, and confirmation bias.
@AnotherViewer just as god intended 🙏
@@AnotherViewer No disrespect, but if we had a different shape, materialists would find another way to explain away the idea of a deity.
They love to call our argument "God of the gaps", when really, their argument is more or less the same, "much-much-time of the gaps".
I heard that some people appear to have tails, and I've heard materialists refer to this anomaly as evidence that we evolved from lizards, but no it's a birth deformity caused by the tailbone curving outwards (when it's supposed to turn inward).
This man is better at explaining the gospel than me, well done.👏
He’s also aggressively wrong
@@ferretlord3990how, don’t just say something back it up
@@ferretlord3990no
And your also aggressively stupid.@@ferretlord3990
@@ferretlord3990why?is it because he's christian?
im not being sarcastic i just need answer
As a Christian, I thought the first argument about life coming from life was spot on. The second love agreement can be broken apart so I wouldn't use it. Genuine love has a scientific basis. It's still miraculous and awe inspiring but it's a human capability that can actually be traced back and made sense of.
I mean, it is not like the first one can't. The spontaneous formation of a polipeptide (proteins are made of those) can lead to more formations until you have enough proteins (and all the other components of it, of course) to make a cell function, a simple one even, without a nucleus would be able to replicate itself, then it would evolver through mutations, pointing to a single common ancestor to all life on earth. Given enough time it is to expect that life would form, rhe elements present on earth and the environment are very helpful to this, but maybe we have a different life out there, who knows
I love how polite the asked was and how he was so understanding
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." -Werner Heisenberg, father of quantum physics.
Omg thank you for this.
That’s a misquote he never said that 😂
@@pwnster14its not a misquote. He says it. A quick google search will show you :) stay blessed kings.
@@pwnster14 Not a missquote. Heisenberg was raised and lived as a Lutheran Christian.
Quoting a Nazi?
TH-cam shorts is like a Jovoah Witness with how many christen shorts its blasting me with
Jehovah*
You’re in control of your feed.
@@-_-Matt-_-not at all
Then just scroll past them instead of commenting which makes them pop up more 🤦♂️
@@quadruple_h yes, quite literally. There is a complex system behind it, and just like you and the og commenter, you’re interacting with the video, prompting the videos to be more common. Saying this doesn’t exist is just outright stupid 💀💀💀
The notion of complexity doesn't signify a singular higher being. Complexity in human construction and creation comes from the collaboration of many
“I envy your faith” is such a real statement I’ve been an atheist for a very long time but having faith seems like a much more positive and helpful way to live. I’ve been hoping to find a reason to change. This is extremely helpful, I’ve found a way to relate to this video and also a good explanation.
Every single one of his arguments screams lack of scientific knowledge. Love IS perfectly explained trough evolution. And although we never got to see actual life coming from "non life", we have a whole Lot of fossils (and living creatures) that show a clear and gradative increase in life complexity. Also, even we didn't have any of these things, his argument would still be ignorant. The lack of a explanation isn't a proof of the Divine or supernatural. This "i can't explain this, so It must be god" argument was used in the past for Seasons, meteors, rain, thunder, eclipses, earthquakes, etc etc etc. Humanity should've learned a lesson Millena ago. Unfortunately, most people are too lazy to think, blaming It on the great Wizard above is much easier.
This is so true. God is the name that we give to the unknown, like what is after death.
For real, but to be fair this is the first argument they posted that the other dude actually knows what he's doing.
They should try to debate with an actual atheist youtuber.
@@2ball434Unfortunately, they shouldn't. This debate between atheist vs theist has been done dozens of times. The theists watching always think the arguments in favor of God are flawless and genius, even when they make absolutely no sense. This is a very arrogant thing to say, but it's sadly the truth: a big proportion of humanity is simply too stupid to understand science and logic. Just like some people can't understand basic math don't matter how much the study, some people can't understand all of it. People are stupid and stupid people take pride on their stupidity.
energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, so where did the matter and energy in that primordial singularity come from? life only comes from other life, that is a fundamental biology concept, so where did that first life come from? you can say “volcanic vents” but a bunch of molecules aren’t gonna become living randomly just because they found some yummy chemicals
@@sundeww didn't you read my comment or you're just unable to understand?
At the beginning of this video I wasn't a Christian. At the end, I now want to be a landscaper.
He used so many logical fallacy to prove an argument and he still failed😂
“This emotion, love, is why god exists”
The emotion: a bunch of chemicals in the brain
What was needed for that "chemical"? All creation requires a creator, creation proves the existence of the creator.
Yes all those chemicals in n the brain worked how god designed them to you’re correct about that
@@CashyBay.the chemicals came from the big bang
@@uzispenpal6084the big bang happens how? It just came to be? That’s less logical than gods existence.
@CJCyoutube if the universe made us, what made the universe? There has to be a being that isn’t in time. God.
That point about love is actually braindead tho
That point about everything is brain dead if you have any knowledge about biology and that Miller Urey Experiment
Love is basically signals that something is good
agreed, does this guy know anything about how the human brain works?
@@SealandIsBestCountry Even "good" is ill-defined. It signals that you in particular like something, or favor something. A husband can love his wife out of selfishness, and morn _his_ loss if she dies. To put others first is certainly a "higher love" as it were, especially at ones own expense, but that is a "good" that exists outside of one's feelings.
@@JS-vi6tq, The Miller Urey experiment proves nothing. They didn't create actual life (I'm agnostic btw).
Amen God bless you all I believe in God ❤❤❤❤❤
As an atheist, we have to realize, the universe is so incredibly precise, and evolution is such a strange phenomena, that there's a high likelihood that there is some sort of higher being or creator in life.
High likelihood? How do you determine that? What do you mean by higher being? How do you even get probability with one universe to study and no higher being to study?
You're agnostic
How is the universe precise? I mean everything's precise you throw a random bucket of paint on the ground it ends in a very precise pattern what do you think precise means? Because it's sure not precisely calibrated for our existence that's for damn sure. There's a tiny little speck we can manage to survive on that isn't precisely calibrated for us we are precisely calibrated of this planet
I respect your beliefs but, i wanna make some counterarguments
first point: you cant ever see it because it is at a microscopic scale, molecules wont just clump together to make a human in front of your eyes, they will create cells and more and more of them make dna and eventually small bacteria or animals (like, microscopic) and in their lifetime, molecules wont find them and clump together on them to make like a human or something.
point 2: if you were isolated for your whole life, youd probably be fine with it because you know nothing else
parents automatically love them because its their creation, like you arent gonna break a pot you made from scratch because you made and spent time and hard work into it
and not only that but thinking more about it, nothing really makes sense at all, not god or scientific evidence, in religion, god just exists, is all knowing and makes the universe appear from nothingness, and scientifically the universe just decides to one day exist, nothing really makes sense
@@Sunnysunnyy791 matter condensed so much so in to a small point this whole thing was created from the explosion, thats what we know right now but honestly, we dont know anything before the universe was formed
@@brickinapresent yeah but that itself doesn’t really make any logical sense, how does absolutely nothing, suddenly turn into the universe
@@Sunnysunnyy791 we dont know if before the universe there was nothing
@@brickinapresent yeah but then that’s just a paradox because what came before what was possibly here before the universe, and then what created the thing before that? It’s just an endless paradox
Love isn’t some magical thing. It’s based on “matter and energy” in our brain.
True
@@bhanusaripudi6013false
And where does that come from ,and where does it form ,and how is it functional, how was it made ,you can keep going but you don’t ask the right questions so, you will be where you’re at!
@@luccianoblock5127 There are many articles to answer those questions. I can't cite them because I'm pretty sure youtube just deletes links
If you think about it there’s not really an evolutionary benefit for love. Sexuality is obviously needed to procreate, but that’s different from love even though the two can exist together. I used to think love was just our brains tricking us into reproducing, but when I really think about it that doesn’t make sense, since there’s so many different kinds of love, romantic, platonic, and family love, and only one of those is associated with sex. I don’t believe in a god, but I do think it’s reasonable to believe because of the existence of love
Where’s the full version? Would like to see this whole conversation in its entirety please.
Even if there was no evidence. Isn't it better to believe that whatever or whomever created us, love's us, watche's out for us, want's us to be kind, to forgive, to love; to believe that there is a true meaning behind everything, even death. I was atheist for a long time, but these thoughts made me want to believe, and now I am happier then ever praying for the Lord as I recognize Jesus as my Savior. If you are reading this, I expect you find God on your life and remember, he love's you!
Thank you for sharing this. Congratulations and have a blessed day friend
It has been observed that life building blocks can develop in the perfect environments which are not that rare. The reason we don't see new life popping up is that they get out competed by other already present life
By Building blocks you mean the matter and energy that makes up a life, but when exactly do these building blocks which have no life come together to create life? No explanation can really be given for that split second in which life is sparked, also for perspective your point of life can form is not exactly against the point of a god having created life, the fact that spark of life can come into mere "building blocks" in an instant without explanation sure does support the fact of there being a god that made that possible
@@orangemangoesyea. The non living makes living. Oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus aren't alive but we are made from those elements. The line between living and non living is a blur. Because when you think about it we are just a bunch of chemical reactions and electricity
@@orangemangoesmatter arranged in a certain way can make anything, even life
@@orangemangoes they just randomly move into to pattern after pattern to form a construct that we think is special. I don't deny that we cannot explain our supposed consciousness but that doesn't mean that a creator has to exist. They function the same as computers with commands that make life sub consciously looks for like food water etc any of it's needs
Consciousness is neurological signals
I love how he’s being genuinely respectful and bringing up very interesting and thought provoking points, not just “repent to Jesus or you will burn in hell!!!!” He has my respect
..... which is also True.
@@ernienegrete5702while true. It turns people away very quickly usually. So you have to avoid blatantly saying that.
Truth said in love, usually works.
1 Corinthians 16:14@@kabosiscafeclub1127
1. Coincidence of life existing.
2. No, love isn't supernatural.
@MrCoolBeans-jg7dc Save us time and point to any evidence indicating a god caused life.
If you don't have evidence like that (and we both know you don't), then do you agree with me that we don't have a reason to believe in a god currently?
Let's say if 100 million scientists tried to create a living plant 🌿 , they can't only God can create living things !
God isn’t real he’s a collection of peoples thoughts and feelings and that makes him very real
He’s only real in your head basically 😂
Do you by any chance have an interest in Warhammer? Cuz u just explained how stuff works there
@@SonOfSparda03 Gods in D&D work on the same basis. Or and there in SCP they have this faithvore that is eating the catholic faith after being transmitted from an irish cicada cult.
He doesn't exist physically
If God and Jesus doesn't exist. Then why have testimonies over the years where people where wretched, evil, and some satanists have there whole life flipped around after accepting our Savior Jesus? Down from the gutter but brought back with love and passion for others. Which they previously didn't have?
I really like how the guy is really calm about asking about the guys God, as an atheist myself I do not believe in a God but it’s really interesting when people talk about it
Its rare to see someone just asking in a calm manner and not walking off after asking a question like some old man did.
@@AnotherSupremacyGuythe old man knew the answer already he didn’t need to waste his time listening to this douche talk down of his fallen brothers. The guy was a vet, did more for his fellow men than this negative talking downtrodden slave of god has ever done for anyone. Disrespect my comment if you want but that man has done more than you ever will and deserves more respect for standing up to this idiocy.
The man in this video is absolutely unforgivable for his nature towards that vet
Hopefully we as people note and remember that the Bible is a historical document that is built on the accounts of eye witnesses who say that what they have witnessed is supernatural rather than natural in origin.
The bible was exclusively written by people long after the death of Jesus, at least a century after the fact. There are in fact no eyewitness accounts in the bible. The bible is completely ahistory and almost nothing of it's contant can be validated (aside from obvious ones like: Herodes did actually exist, Pontius Pilatus did actually exist, so on and so forth). The bible is not only incompatible with our modern understanding of the universe, but also contradicts itself. There are two different creatin stories for crying out loud. By default, both cannot be litteraly true.
Im also agnostic, i grew up Christian but as i got older i started doubting, i stopped praying and abandoned religion, but i want to believe in god and repent, but i find to much doubt in my heart and i also truly envy the faith true Christians have. I feel that i need something to prove something to be true. I don't know what to do.
His first peace of evidence is literally him proving himself wrong😭😭😂
Exactly lmao, isn’t god a representation is incredibly advanced life? There would need to be many generations of life before him
I love how this entire comment section is just religious idiots supporting each other with "evidence". It has been statistically proven that people who believe in a religion have a lower average IQ.
It's like saying "There's a chance all life came from Spongebob as likely as it is not. However, since you cannot disprove that Spongebob isn't the creator, I will continue believing that Spongebob is, in fact, the creator." Just pure stupidity and the same argument every single time.
@@Dylano6_ What do you mean by that?
Not necessarily. The Bible says that God doesn’t have a beginning he simply always was. I’m not saying I believe in God, just clarifying his argument
God has no beginning or end he simply is and always was
I never used to like all the religious shorts but whenever this guy pops up, something about his tone and the way he words things just makes me want to listen and learn
that’s because he walks with God and the truth is caling you I always have that feeling too I’ve been a bit distant from him sadly and I know I should get close again and whenever this guys comes up idk why but I feel guilty and and I feel sorry that I’m like that to God yet I don’t feel bad I feel forgived and loved. God loves and forgives, he is the truth. God bless you, may you live a long prosperous life
@@el.cebollonthe truth? This guy is oftentimes wrong. Want me to completely disprove the arguments he used here, or would you rather pretend your beliefs are “true” solely because you believe they are. Truth implies demonstrability/verifiability
@@jacksonh2083How can someone’s opinion be wrong?
Atheist here, and I gotta say I appreciate this guy. He's not yelling or being over the top. He provides some truly good evidence that could point to God. Great guy.
i love how theyre not arguing but having and actually respectful discussion
I love this guy's arguments.
I'm not religious, I know (in the science world, I understand you believe differently if you're religious) it's been proven that life is fundamentally a product of luck that a combination of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Phosphorus formed in a specific way and didn't die, I understand that, scientifically speaking, love is a series of chemicals in the brain that aid in socializing and therefore survival, but I love how the guy explains so calmly, based on logical thinking, his reasons for his belief.
Is it enough for me to consider the possibility of god? no. does it help me understand religion? most definitely. There are still many aspects of religion I don't understand, which I won't get into because that's a topic that'll cause issues, but I understand it better now. And if a god does exist, I thank them for allowing my life to happen the way it has.
Earth, humanity, all living creatures, the distance from the sun, the moon being the perfect distance away. It's a lot of "luck," as you'd call it.
That's one of the many reasons I believe. It just seems like it's all too much of a coincidence that this all just came together. It's like a hurricane passing through a junkyard and creating a Boeing 747 out of the pieces.
@@natebarker6464 I could be wrong but I think God himself said something along the lines that his creation is proof enough.
I think God also made an example by telling a man judging his intentions to try and run creation for just one day. Part of the lesson was to God, we're basically like what an ant is to us trying to figure out what 1 + 1 is.
But god would be a form of life that came from no life…
@@sumsumandmimikyu Right. God is described as living "outside time". God doesn't have a beginning nor an end. So nobody is responsible for creating God. We can't comprehend outside of time because we've never been there.
@@natebarker6464 well, the earth and moon and all the distance shit you mentioned is completely false. The earth could move a few hundred thousand miles closer or farther from the sun and still be in our solar system's habitable zone.
Life did not just appear and it took a long time for even single celled organisms to form but it wasnt created. Love is evolutionary and caused by chemicals in the brain.
The Bible is often seen as a letter from a FATHER to His CHILDREN on the BEST way to live a SUCCESSFUL LIFE. But sometimes, we get caught up in the rules and regulations and forget that God is capable of so much more than we can ever imagine. Think about it. We're just a small speck in this vast universe, and yet we think we know everything there is to know about God. We put Him in a box and limit His power.
Have you ever thought about the LIMITS we put on God's capabilities? As humans, we have achieved so much, from sending messages from the moon to Earth to creating advanced technology. Yet, we often limit what we believe God can do.
Why do we do this? Is it because we can't comprehend the vastness of His power? Or is it because we want to feel in control?
But let's think about it. If we, as mere humans, can achieve so much, why can't God do even more? Why can't He perform miracles beyond our understanding and make sure that His CHILDREN have GUIDELINES to LIVE by so that they will have a VICTORIOUS AND PROSPEROUS LIFE?
Perhaps it's time for us to open our minds and hearts to the infinite possibilities of God's power. To trust that He is capable of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. We need to let go of our need for control and surrender to His will.
Let us not limit God's capabilities with our own limited understanding. Instead, let us have faith in His unlimited power and love. With Him, ALL things are POSSIBLE.
It's natural to wonder why we can trust that the Bible is God's word. After all, it's a book that has been around for thousands of years, and has been translated and edited numerous times. But despite all of this, the Bible remains a source of inspiration and guidance for millions of people around the world. So, how do we know that the Bible is truly God's word? Here are a few key points to consider: The Bible is a book that has been RESPECTED for centuries as the word of God. But how can we trust that it is truly God's word?
Well, first of all, we must understand that the Bible is not just one book, but a collection of 66 books written over a span of 1,500 years by more than 40 authors. Despite this diversity, the Bible presents a COHESIVE message of God's love and redemption for humanity.
Also, the Bible has stood the test of time. It has been translated into countless languages and has been read by BILLIONS of people throughout history. Despite attempts to DISCREDIT it or DESTROY it, the Bible continues to be the BEST-SELLING BOOK in the WORLD.
The most compelling reason to trust that the Bible is God's word is the way it has TRANSFORMED LIVES. Countless people throughout history have been CHANGED by reading and studying the Bible. It has brought HOPE to the HOPELESS, comfort to the grieving, and GUIDANCE to the LOST.
Finally, we must remember that if HUMANS can send MESSAGES from the MOON to EARTH, surely God can COMMUNICATE with us through his WORD. The God who created the universe and everything in it is certainly CAPABLE of inspiring and PROTECTING HIS MESSAGE for us, His CHILDREN.
We can trust that the Bible is God's word because of its cohesiveness, durability, transformative power, and because we believe that if humans can accomplish amazing feats, then surely God can do even more.
Have you ever heard someone say that the Bible has transformed their life? It's a common statement, but what makes the Bible different from other books that claim to have the same effect?
Well, for starters, the Bible is more than just a book. It's a collection of writings that span thousands of years and multiple genres. It contains history, poetry, prophecy, and teachings on morality and spirituality.
But what really sets the Bible apart is its message. The Bible tells the story of God's love for humanity and his plan for redemption. It offers hope in a world that can often feel hopeless.
And it's not just a message for some people or a certain time period. The Bible's message is universal and timeless. It speaks to people of all ages, races, and backgrounds.
But perhaps what truly makes the Bible different is its ability to transform lives. Countless people throughout history have found comfort, guidance, and purpose through its pages. Its teachings have inspired people to love their neighbors, forgive their enemies, and live selflessly.
So if you're looking for a book that can transform your life, consider giving the Bible a chance. Its message has stood the test of time and has the power to change hearts and minds. While there are certainly other books that have transformed lives, the Bible stands apart in its origin, personal relevance, longevity, and unifying power. Its impact on individuals and society as a whole cannot be denied.
First argument: « Life always come from life ». Is god alive ? If yes, he must have came from life. If not, he couldn’t create life. That logic is based on a wrong statement. Second argument: « love isn’t matter or energy ». Love is generated by an hormon in our bodies, so yes, it’s matter. The thing I liked the most about this conversation is that they listen to one another. Thank you for reading and why the f did you read all of that ?
I love that everyone’s interacting respectfully and not screaming at each other for being wrong.
I’m waiting for someone to ask where the fuck were the dinosaurs 🤣
birds and chickens are technically dinosaur's
@@jackisinforthewinI’d tell you why but I think they’re a little afraid of the “e” word around here 😂
That was God beta testing earth bro
Dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible btw
Playing devil’s advocate on the second reason: Love, like any other emotion is a chemical reaction in your brain. Love was created through evolution to keep humans (social creatures) together, as we are biologically stronger in numbers. Romantic loves come from the need to procreate to keep the species alive.
I love how bro asking the question actually asks his question in search for his answer and reasoning without a whole scene
yo before this short I had another one of a guy that looked like this getting pulled over LMFAOOO 😂
The issue with his statemate though, is that we don't know everything about the universe.
Rather than jumping to conclusions that god exists, we should do research and try to work our way to a conclusion.
It's evident that at some point, under highly rare circumstances, certain elements and compounds came together to form chemical reactions that worked like machines. Which formed the need for certain elements or compounds to create other chemical reactions. This of course, is life; chemical reactions formed from other chemical reactions to sustain a living being. Constantly running, with the required resources of course.
God isn't any more probable than evolution. Both beliefs have their own pieces of evidence, but in the end, we don't know enough to get to a conclusion.
Love is an emotion that occurs when certain chemical reactions occur in your brain, just like any other emotion. We currently don't know how you seeing something or knowing something effects your brain, but that's why science exists.
Science exists to find a conclusion using our brain as the brush, and the environment as our canvas.
Kinda ironic that the very thing we use to find conclusions is one of the most mysterious phenomena we have ever seen.
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I would like to argue what you just said. (Respectfully of course)
@@hecticfunentertainment9373 Go right on ahead. I'm up for a little debate.
I would like to argue the idea that people are simply jumping to conclusions in their faith of God.
To me that statement alone is assumption how people or religions work in the first place. And many biblical and historical figures didn't just simply believed in God
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I get your point, though respectfully, it doesn't excuse the fact that they don't have full proof evidence that God exists.
Nothing I said previously is even completely proven, but it's the best we've got in this day and age.
The Bible, the Quaran, all of the religious texts were made by a human being just like you and me. The only difference is that people believed the words that came out of their writing were sacred because they believed so.
Belief is very powerful, but it's always stumped by conclusions that are factual. Though were still working to get those conclusions.
@@Coarlite I see what you mean.
well partially your statement only applies to those who live outside the Bible stories. People like doubting Thomas, Simon Peter, or Apostle Paul if true were given conclusive evidence. Especially if you consider the fact many of them did not beleive until Jesus proved himself to them.
That said i just recently read and watch about people who were atheists for years some decades and then in their search known to become Christ. Would you call these fellow skeptics believing without evidence?
I’m an agnostic, but I just can’t stop watching and rewatching those guys trim hedges and grass. Very satisfying
The problem that I have with a lot of religious arguments is that they always seem to be based off of assumptions
Wait till he hears about mould and fungi cells
Ok, the second thing is nonsense based a lot of assumptions. But that first thing is real.
No, that first thing is not real. Science doesn't define 'life' like he does, such that God would count.
First one is argument from ignorant fallacy
First part is nonsense as well tbh. The only reason WE don’t see non-life transition into life is because if there were perfect conditions for that to happen, already existing life (like bacteria) would overtake it.
The first piece of evidence is all you need.
( I still respect agnostic/atheist people )
We don’t need proof that God is real, he just has spoken to our hearts to accept his son as our savior❤️
Bro forgot that love is a hormone
This is like saying "emotions are just chemical reactions". To a degree, you are kind of right in the sense that there's no evidence supporting that it is anything else other than that, but then again, there is also not a definitive proof that it isn't something deeper. Conciousness is famously unproven to be a materialistic construct or an independent form of existence, at least in philosophy. So, if emotions and feelings are linked to conciousness, there could be a chance that those chemical reactions are actually something that runs deeper than just pure science. This is, of course, just unproven philosophical ideas proposed by philosophers, not actual facts and theories established by physicists.
Firstly, love isn’t some mystical force it’s a chemical process from the need to protect someone that is beneficial to you in some way. You need to protect that person because they benefit you or have benefited you. Think about it for a second and you’ll realize every person in your life that you love, you only love because they provide some sort of value to you. This value can be from happiness, physical protection, or the need to survive or continue your bloodline. It doesn’t just have to be taking advantage of someone like I know this comment may sound like. It’s basic, valuable instinct that benefits you because you are helping someone that benefits you. Evolution leads to this easily because those who do not have connections won’t be able to survive in times of danger.
Secondly, people seem to believe that life cannot emerge from non-life because that life wouldn’t be able to create other life. This only applies if that life is sentient. Individual cells do not undergo sentient reproduction. It is the combination of cells that create thought and thus sentience. Cells do not have to be sentient to be alive.
Lastly, if you scrolled this far in the comment, just a little tangent: eternal afterlife in heaven is quite literally a hell. Religious people always seem to emphasize how long an eternity is. It is forever. Take however long you can possibly imagine and multiply it by 3 million. You still wouldn’t even remotely close to an equivalent of 0.00000001%. You’re still at 0%. Now imagine living that being able to do whatever you want. You will have done everything you have ever wanted to do or could ever possibly do an infinite amount of times, and still you would be in heaven. You will have repeated your entire life an infinite amount of times just to do it again. You will have nothing to do because you will have already done it so many times every single action you could possibly ever take, every single combination of actions that could possibly be done, which in itself is beyond human comprehension, will be history to you. You could have walked on every single square inch of everything in every single pattern possible doing every single combination of actions possible and you will still be in heaven. Eternal afterlife in itself is a hell of pure boredom.
Idk I feel like spending an eternity with the people I love is amazing
@@shook69that’s not even what they claim though, they say that you just become a part of god which in my opinion doesn’t mean anything at all.
For the second that is actually a fallacy
So why does heartbreak exist for toxic relationships? Why does jealousy exist and stress emerge if it can physically damage us and ruin our lives and bloodlines? What is even the point of people having useless possessions if they know its useless? If the brain, instincts, and the chemicals were so knowledgeable of what they want, and the feelings or perceptions of emotions we have are merely illusions of chemical processes and balances, why does our free will still reign over it? Why in the world did the first living organisms in the universe deciding to themselves to evolve into the many things we see today? For fruitless and futile living? For Art? What is even art then... They could've been well off being bacteria or whatever they were, but yet we have mammals and beings on this Earth that repopulates, mourns, and does many things amongst it's ecosystem.
Why do you have the need to correct people if it doesn't affect your bloodline at all or benefit you in any way?
Have way to much time on your hands
The thing about the point of love is that it can be made with that matter because enjoyment is just dopamine coursing through your body, so loving (liking someone or something a lot) is just getting a lot of dopamine from it.
"I cant comprehend, therefore i can define it without doubt" is the main argument. Got it.
As an atheist I know that we don’t know how the universe was made but it’s illogical to make the conclusion that there’s a magical dude in the sky.
thats so disrespectful! god is not a magical dude in the sky. god is your creator and he is above all. please also tell me how it is illogical please?
But specs evolving to beings that can create bombs that can annihilate planets is? And heaven isnt a place in the sky, or we would have made it there by now. Its a separate realm on its own. Im not even religious and I know that.
As a deist I will say it's not a man but a thing that created the energy not saying I'm right just wanted to give a more realistic approach to it than that other guy saying he created you because we just have proof of it not being the case
How is that illogical? And god is not a ”magical dude in the sky” Thats just a super untrue statement that atheists say to make it seem like its illogical. Do some research brother
@@Bigburgar44it’s illogical because it says if you don’t have the answer, then you assume god. Ancient civilizations have done this forever and been wrong. For example: Incas used to believe lunar eclipses were caused by an animal attacking their goddess “mother moon”. They didn’t have an explanation for it so they came to that conclusion and of course we know now how illogical and wrong they were. This professor is doing the same thing with life. Don’t know where it came from? Must be god.
I’m pretty sure god and science can both be right.
I like to believe both are wrong cause it’s something unimaginable we are talking about, which neither the term ‘god’ can describe, neither science can explain
There are an infinite number of possible religions but only a couple possible theory’s created from the evidence around us. The theory’s are much more likely to be correct and if they are, there is no reason to place a god in the middle of it all - unless you want to control people (I respect your beliefs. this is just mine)
No. Definitely not the abrahamic god. Idc what apologists say, it's simply not possible
I see your point, like science explains things around us. And God explains things beyond us, or beyond our understanding.
You're right, in islam we don't split science and religion. Of course we do believe in miracles, but that was at the time of the prophet. What is relevant now is metaphysics and physics.
Can we just give props to the guy asking the question cuz like bro was not aggressive, not tryna argue, and was just having a friendly debate
The best way to find out if God exists, is to seek a genuine relationship with God. If you are seeking God just to test his existance, it will be very difficult to find God. Even still, not impossible.
Im not religious but im ok believing there is a god. After all i dont gain or loose anything by believeing there isnt. Isnt it just better to believe in something good rather then not. I dont believe all the people who tell me there life dreams but i still hope for there success.theres nothing to gain by denying or ridiculing something but everything to gain if it turns out to be true.i guess i just strongly believe in the power of hope.
Ten reasons why I do not believe in a God
1. **The Problem of Evil:** If an all-knowing, all-powerful, and benevolent God exists, why does so much evil and suffering exist in the world?
2. **Absence of Evidence:** There is a lack of convincing empirical evidence for the existence of God. Religious beliefs are often based on faith rather than concrete evidence.
3. **Contradictions in Religious Texts:** Many religious texts contain internal inconsistencies and contradictions, making it difficult to view them as reliable sources of truth.
4. **The Argument from Natural Explanation:** Many phenomena once attributed to God are now explained by science, such as the origin of the universe and the evolution of life.
5. **The Diversity of Religious Beliefs:** If there truly is one God, why are there so many different religions with conflicting beliefs about who or what God is?
6. **Explaining Religion from an Evolutionary Perspective:** Some scientists suggest that religion provided an evolutionary advantage to early human societies, but this does not mean that religious beliefs are true.
7. **The Problem of Divine Hiddenness:** If God exists and wants people to believe in him, why isn't he more clearly present in our lives, and why are there so many people who doubt his existence?
8. **The Paradox of Infinite Regression:** If God is the origin of everything, what is the origin of God? This leads to an infinite regression that is difficult to justify.
9. **Lack of Empirical Evidence for Religious Experiences:** While people often report religious experiences, these experiences can be explained by psychological and neurological processes, without the need for an external divine entity.
10. **The Inconsistency of Divine Intervention:** If God occasionally intervenes in the world to perform miracles or respond to prayers, why doesn't he do so consistently and justly for all people?
@@yygamersvs1. God allows evil to exist because to get rid of evil would mean to either get rid of us or take away our free will.
@@yygamersvs2. There is empirical evidence the events documented in the Bible can be found as well as some remains of the people mentioned.
@@yygamersvs3. There is no contradiction s in the Bible. If you can give me an example I'd be glad to explain
@@yygamersvs4. The Bible doesn't use God to explain natural things. Occasionally he will use a natural disaster as a punishment in rare instances such as the flood.
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“The only way love can be real is if there is more to life than matter and energy.”
That doesn’t make any sense. Love exists because of matter and energy.
God Is Real People 🙏 ❤