NIGHTWISH - Replacement Singers - Who Did It Better? Tarja Turunen - Anette Olzon - Floor Jansen
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- In this video we enjoy the fantastic lead vocals of Tarja Turunen, Anette Olzon, and Floor Jansen. We want you to answer the question: WHO DID IT BETTER? Come on, let us hear from YOU! (Respectfully, of course!)
NIGHTWISH - Replacement Singers - Who Did It Better? Tarja Turunen - Annette Olzon - Floor Jansen
Nightwish is probably the biggest symphonic metal band that's ever existed, which made stepping into the role of lead singer a pretty tall order.
We’re going to compare how Tarja Turunen, Anette Olzon, and Floor Jansen all measured but I want to hear from you! Who do you think did it better and why? Please share with me in the comments!
Tarja has a very operatic approach with pure, bel canto vowels which she integrates with belting and she’s able to go up into her upper register and throw down pretty hard.
We’ll compare her style next to Anette’s who brought more of a pop, ABBA-type sound to the band and we’ll finish by looking at the way that Floor was able to combine the two styles together.
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Tarja was one of my favorite singers and I thought no one could top her in Nightwish, Anette showed me I was right, then Floor proved me wrong.
Best comment I actually stopped listening to them with Anette and forgot about them came back for Floor and lost my mind. The chills she gives when she sings O.O
Lol I started reading and thought you were gonna say Annette proved me wrong 🤣 I like her in other bands, she just didn't fit for Nightwish
Yes, Floor proves everyone wrong on anything about singing. To clarify, Floor might not be the best singer on planet but she's one of very few who don't just have a great voice or a good understanding of music. Floor goes one step further and combines her voice and her technical skills with her knowledge of music theory and her acting skills to play with emotions like no other singer I know ever could. So when she is on stage it's not just her voice, each move, each blink of an eye she does and every gesture is well thought through and helps to tell the storys and that is what Nightwishs music is mostly about, they are telling stories and because of that, Floor is the best choice for Nightwish, none of the other Singers were able to do that at this level.
You should give Anette's more recent solo work a listen. Her new album is pretty good. Her voice has matured a bit since her Nightwish era, in a way I really enjoy.
+1!
Exactly that!
I am Floor all the way, though I got hooked on Nightwish with Tarja. Floor gives me chills.
Tarja was very unique at the time. Annette was put in a bad spot trying to sing the classic Tarja songs. Not possible. I do think like you that the 2 records with Annette may be my overall favorites from Nightwish. Studio was great, but live Floor takes almost all of them to a whole new level. Respect to Tarja and Annette. Floor Jansen 100%!!!!!!!!!
👍Do,i get what you are saying,it's funny in a way how people react to the studio albums. A lot of people like the two studio albums with Annette,but seem to like Floor more singing most of these songs.😆 Stylistickly and tone wise i like Floor the best,but i have great respect for all 3 singers.
Also ,with these "discussions",sometimes people bring up the MOST sold records,wich are Annette's albums, if i'm right,but i have searched the internet for DVD or B-Ray 's selling numbers,but couldn't find any. I gues that "showtime storytime" must be a best seller to and "end of an era" with Tarja also would have pretty good sales numbers.
Just saying,not knowing the whole picture gives a little distorted view.😉🤘
OMG yes. lol nothing says: great work environment like a bunch of moody, cheesed off people, oh nad hey: here's stuff that someone else did, make it your own, while sounding and being kind of like them, and while we're at it: DON'T MESS UP!!!...no pressure.
(Anette: l am so calling my agent, I wonder if cookies would help.)
@@strabel803 I only heard once and nemo with Anette.. I think I had a CD and possibly a random tape that a dude a tower? or something shoved in my hand waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when.
yeah she was like literally an opera singer and probably the best live I liked the pop vibe anette gave floor is like both
Finally someone that really has an opinion and is not afraid of telling us!
And Im really digging your analysis. Just an excellent video. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed!
Tarja's vocals are absolutely gorgeous. Tarja is still my favorite Nightwish vocalist. But Ken helped me appreciate the range of skills that Floor brings to the table.
I knew Floor in her previous bands, but I was still suspicious. After the concert I attended, jesus, she is amazing. Tarja is still my favorite, but Floor is impressive.
Problem with Tarja is that she has beautifull sound, but only one beautifull sound... That limits her dramatic capabilities, and that is where Floor with her enormous palet and command of textures and tones and ranges truely shines
@@rientsdijkstra4266 exactly, Floors emotion transfer to the audience, also through using all the ranges and styles, is what makes her outstanding and what I miss from Tarja. Tarja has the better Soprano Voice in my opinion, but just that, the better overall package is Floor. (I wonder what it would sound like if Tarja actually sang one of the more "Pop-ish" songs like Storytime... could be interesting)
Tarja for me!! Those dark operatic vocals are my thing. But I love that Floor is the current singer of Nightwish ❤️
Cannot agree more Ken. I know you gotta be nice but Floor Jansen hands down lol. What I find impressive is that I prefer nightwish’s live recordings with floor better than the studio recordings (even the ones she is on). I think that’s a sign of a great singer and artist.
There are a few songs where the studio version is killer. Sleeping sun is one of them. Neither Tarja nor Floor can do that song live as good as the original recording. If you think otherwise listen to the original recording again.
Agree, I've seen Floor live with After Forever, ReVamp, NW and her Dutch solo-tour..... and Floor live is better than studio recording.
Nightwish always will be live band...Studio recordings are great with all 3 singers but live is different side.
Hell yeah! Dark Chest of Wonders, Wacken '13 is just amazing. I listen to it more than the studio version.
@@L.T.L.T.L.T. She's awesome with Star One!
I just began listening to Nightwish this year 2021. I came across the band while watching "The Charismatic Voice" reviews on TH-cam. So, I don't have the years and years of history with the band as many others have. However, I quickly began a deep dive into their music, live performances, and other online reviews. I purchased two of their DVD's (one with Tarja and one with Floor) and bought a ticket to their concert next year in LA, 2022. The music and melodies of Nightwish are amazing!! I have to say that I've been impressed by all three vocalists in the band. And I agree with Ken that the recorded albums of Annette are phenomenal vocally and musically. With that said, if I were to choose a favorite vocalist it would be Floor. She's got it ALL!! I'm so glad I came across this band online. Better late than never!!
Ken I agree with you, Floor is incredible! really metal, really symphonic, with also pop deviations, perfect pitch, lot of power but sweetness at the same time, she is an awesome singer!
Tarja was a razor. Annette was a breadknife. Floor is a swiss armyknife with extra's and a chainsaw on her back when needed
I texted a link to this video to my daughter. She rarely comments, but if she does, look out !!! Lol. She's been a big Nightwish fan for years.
I agree.. Floor is the best of two different styles by combining the best attributes of each previous two singers (classical vs pop rock) with her own style.. Her style is more empathetic to the emotion of each song.
I agree. With Floor I feel so much emotion. She brings tears to my eyes .
Lol. Tarjas rendition of Phantom of the opera blows Floor off the stage.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Indeed. Yet Phantom of the Opera is just one song. The point is Floor OVERALL is the better singer Nightwish ever had.
Tarja = Opera, Anette = Pop, Floor = Nightwish
Tarja for me, even I recognize is just a matter of taste and sensibility. She gaves me the chills like anyone, but Floor is a beast very versatil, and profesional. Annette is great singer too.
But Im in love with the old Nightwish, their songs, and the chemestry with music composition and Tarja's voice. I also like very much Tarja's solo career she has great songs very emotional and epics and she has also a classical career. You can find videos of Tarja singing ave marias, Puccini, Bach, etc and is amazing. Metal, Rock, Pop, Electronic, Classical, she can sing anything.
If we measure with points: Tarja 100, Floor 99, Annette 90. In my opinion of ourse.
I really got in to Nightwish because of Floor. I did try and discover everything with Tarja although I do like her voice and that she is a hell of a singer I just couldn't get used to her pronounciacion. Some people don't mind that and I tried really hard to see past that. But that does not take away that she is why Nightwish became such a huge band and that she is one hell of a singer. So it sad to see how some people attack each other because of the "who is better thing". To each their own, and in one way were lucky that we can pick from 3 singers who are all 3 of them really good.
" *the chemistry with music composition and Tarja's voice* " ... Yeap, those old songs were written for Tarja specifically and thus match her vocals perfectly which is why I find other singers loose a few points when performing those old Tarja songs. Just like you I also like the old Nightwish and their songs more, because they are younger, darker, more metallic, more powerful.. as they grew older and mature so did their sound become more relaxed, mature and melodic, still an excellent band but their old stuff are unsurpassed.
Current Floor has range, old Tarja had youthful energy, darkness, power, presence and supreme operatic voice; so it's both a shame that he chose one of her most quiet and melodic songs (Phantom of the opera) to "make the comparison fair" and that Floor's chosen live performance is of "Ghost love score" that is erroneously considered by some people to be the definitive version, when the original studio version is simply better.
It's the old Nightwish for me, and I think my preference has a lot to do with them being both young and wildly talented so I would most likely have chosen the old Nightwish even if no one had left the band and the band members were the exact same people. As another example of this my favourite Maiden are the 80s Maiden
I agree in some areas. The music written while Tarjia was the singer is better than while Floor joined the band. We will have to see what the new stuff sounds like. The last album was their worst though I can and still listen to it as well. It isnt because Floor or Tarjia did them just the music quality.
Dude, you are pulling off a Floor Jansen yourself with that high note at the end here, I`m impressed!. I like all four singers of Nightwish, Let us not forget Marco!!, he supported these ladies like no one could have with his voice. Marco on his own is an amazing singer, and great front man. Tarja is the sound of Nightwish, and will always be their Queen. Anette has her unique style too. Floor is off the hook as vocalist and front woman, Nightwish is lucky to have her.
i love tarja and floor ALOT but for me nightwish's best singer is/was Marko
My opinion this is kinda like the Queen debate. They all brought something to the table. But like Freddie, Tarja is "the sound" of Nightwish. A symphonic metal band with an actual opera singer (yes Ken she is very much trained, her whole early life was Opera, she's basically a national treasure) is almost unheard of. Annette brought that pop sound which has stayed with the band (influence) and then we get to Floor. Floor is the all-rounder. She does the opera elements enough justice and she absolutely dominates the pop and rock elements in ways I hadn't realized this band was capable of until Floor. So while my heart always goes to Tarja first and I prefer the bands sound with her at the helm, I must say Floor is prolly the best overall sound for the band as they are today, she's fantastic and possibly the greatest female rock singer out there right now.
Great video and series Ken!
That's a nice balanced opinion, which I pretty much agree with. Oddly, I probably appreciate Tarja more now than I did originally. I always loved some Nightwish songs in the past (the whole Wishmaster album is a good example) but some of them I really didn't like, Ghost Love Score being one.... I know that's controversial but I'm not convinced by Tarja singing that song as it just kinda peters out at the end. But, I still prefer Tarja singing things like 'End of all Hope' and 'Slaying the Dreamer'. The bottom line is that Nightwish benefitted from both Floor and Tarja. Then of course, there is Anette, who, to my mind is on two of the best albums in 'Imaginaerum' and 'Dark Passion Play'. Not great live (of course), but actually I love her in 'Slow, love, Slow' and 'Scaretale' and I don't think that either Floor or Tarja could replicate her playfulness.
I just love aspects of all three!
I am so sorry nitghtwish to me has had to much lead singers but to me the only one for me is TARJA although I did like the lady in the black dress but I love this band is one of my favorites bands from another country I think if I pay for a ticket to watch them live it has to be the original line up for me I allso think for me TARJA has a presence on stage for me and she gives me my moneys worth on the ticket I bot to watch them live she allso has songs she sings with this band I love to she gives me the best of hevey music to classical music to I would have love to see her in Andrew lloyd webber phantom of the opera stage show what she would have brot to that stage show I would love to buy a ticket for that can you amagin if she was in that I would go and watch her if I had to pick from all four lady's TARJA is my favourite they should have kept her I bot the dvd of her last concert with her the fans were crying they wanted her to stay so did I so when a band works stick with it don't change it
I agree mostly on everything, still I think the reason why Anette didnt sound so good on live its because she had to forced her voice to sing Tarja songs and she wasnt there, she didnt get help to adapt the songs and probably dont have the ability to do so. On the other hand she had a sound that is different that the other two.
For me the three personify the facets of a woman
Tarja is the ethereal kind of angelic side
Anette is the woman, seductive somehow vulnerable, yet with a lot of personality
and Floor is the warrior, a force of nature, powerful yet gentle.
@@davidstephen6753 Best thing about Floor and Tarja. They are friends IRL.
@@doglover7377 It wasn't until the last concert was over that Tarja received the open letter in her dressing room telling her that she was no longer in the band, so whatever they were crying for, it couldn't have been about that as neither Tarja or the fans knew about it at the point the recording was made. The press conference that was held afterwards, on the other hand, was very emotional and Tarja was certainly crying then. There were a lot of things that happened behind the scenes that led up to that moment though and, while it was not a popular outcome, it wasn't an easy decision for them to write the letter and it certainly took it's toll on the rest of the band, particularly Tuomas (and all of this has been very well documented in various places). Had they not wrote the letter when they did, I believe that Tarja had already expressed that her departure from the band was in the pipeline anyway. I absolutely respect anyone's right to have their own favourite amongst the three female vocalists (not four) and have already expressed my own opinion on this. Given that Tarja and Tuomas formed the band together, she was always going to be a hard act to follow but times change and I think that the evolution of the band, whether through necessity, choice or circumstance has cumulated very well and each singer has had a valuable contribution during their different eras. Nightwish, as a whole, benefitted enormously from the skilful compositions throughout of Tuomas and the professional, musical talents of each of the band members and everything combined has made them what they are today.
Has someone who found Nightwish through Anette, Floor is the superior singer. I find her voice to be more pleasing to the ear, and I think thought not a vocal coach she has a much greater range than both of the others.
My favorite is Floor, but she is Dutch just like me :-p What surprised me most was your belcanto voice, Ken! Wow! Off the charts. Didn't know that side of you :-D I only heard snippets. Not like in this video
Wow, thank you!
@@kentamplin I agree with Ruben. I just randomly clicked on this video, knowing nothing about the channel before. (though I am a long time nightwish fan.) And I had to do a double take and rewind a bit to listen again when I heard you sing the first time. Then while eating had to do another double take at the belt around 10:45 as I could swear that was Jack Black singing. xD
Floor Jansen is a beast! I saw her live along with Russell Allen as part of Arjen Lucassen's Star One project. Her sister Irene, another great vocalist, was also part of the act. All 3 of them owned the stage!
Awesome!
@@kentamplin You have a great thing going on with this channel man! Honest, non-biased, and fun!🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
Tarja checks some boxes. Annette checks some boxes. Floor checks all the boxes. 🙌💯
👏👏👏
Floor checks boxes.
Floor destroys said boxes.
Floor makes the new boxes...that no one else can check
The most honest review! You said it all!
I like Tarja's era, because those albums are pure gold in every sense. Even though Floor is amazing, on the last 3 albums, they lost the passion they had.
Guess it goes by years.
So happy you did this one Ken! I love Tarja…but, like you state, Floor is the perfect blend of Tarja and Anette!!! Great review man!!!
I think people say Tarja is better just out of nostalgia or preference. which is fair. But vocally speaking Floor can do and brings so many elements that Tarja lacks. Pick any album and Tarja sounds pretty much the same.
I love the energy Floor brings to nightwish she’s fantastic.
So good!
They're all great. As a Finnish guy I think I should say Tarja but they're all great like all Helloween, Iron Maiden, Van Halen, Judas Priest and Anthrax vocalists.
Tarja is highly influential and i do agree that she brought a different dimension to the overall Nightwish sound.
On one hand, I believe each singer is exactly what the band needed at the time. The music that came out in each 'era' would not be the same if it were anybody else.
On the other hand, I really believe Floor, with her versatility, is the key that unlocks the true potential of Tuomas's songwriting abilities. I don't think we've yet seen their magnum opus and with Marco leaving the band there will always be the 'what if's', but nevertheless I'm excited for the future of this band and the stories they will tell!
I feel like "The greatest show on earth" is pretty much their magnum opus. :P Though maybe that's just my personal view on it.
As for Marco leaving the band, I wonder if they can find even a decent replacement for him. There's something about his facial expressions and unique rough and powerful voice that's just hard to find. But I will hold out hope for a good replacement and pray that they don't end up like Battle Beast, whom didn't have the same feel in their songs anymore when Anton left.
I agree with you there. I can't really imagine Imaginaerum with Tarja. The sad part was that Anette couldn't really do any of the old songs. I have seen videos of her doing Nemo and it was just sad. in those songs and live she was definitely the week link. Floor can do the older songs, she can do the Imaginaerum and Dark Passion Play songs and brings her own spin to them.
I don't really like Human :|: Nature and Marco leaving is quite a hit, I think the contrast with his voice enabled some really great duets and songs sung by him like The Islander are also great.
I shudder to think how incredible the song that tops "the greatest show on earth" will be. But i don't think its possible
I saw Nightwish at Wacken with Tarja an later with Anette when she just joined. I couldn't believe they casted the whole world and this was the best one they found. The concert was really hard to stand. Especially cos she kept showing off, where I was thinking why does she do that, does she really believe to be a good live singer?
Floor is one of the most amazing female vocalists on the planet
Lol. Floor is absolutely generic in every way.
Tarja destroyed her and so does Tatiana from Jinjer.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Sometimes generic is all you need.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Tarja Opera, Anette pop, Floor Nightwish.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 ...Tarja is a generic Opera singer. That's all she's got; unoriginal, limited will her throaty, unsteady vibrato. FLOOR has more Technique & Style in her Singing "Arsenal" than Tarja ever had. And Jinger? She's entirely different and nothing to do with Floor's gorgeous Voice.
@@Arend010 Exactly.
I really have to hand it to the guy in charge of Nightwish, forget his name, but for someone to have hired three singers, all of whom have been different but amazing and well received by fans, is quite an accomplishment. I don't think any other band can match that record.
Now having watched the video, great analysis, Floor is unreal in how she can do any vocal style(even death vocals). Now Annette, I really loved how she converted the operatic songs into her style so well live. You're right that she wasn't the live performer the other two were, but she handled it quite well. But Floor, she blows both Tarja and Annette away.
Ken I’ve never heard one note played by this band I have heard however that the songstresses are above average
That being said I will tune in and listen just as sight unseen is a phrase we use I will add voice unheard and say Gabriela g is the right fit Kayla reeves also a prime candidate I tend too gravitate toward the ken tamplin method and motto how to sing BETTER than anyone else
Stay frosty
Jw davis
His name is Tuomas Holopainen. That's his band.
Almost all Finnish metal bands are creations of their mastermind: Nightwish, Children Of Bodom, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, Lordi etc. etc.
@@tomitoikka367 ... Amorphis, Wintersun, Apocalyptica...
@@adaher Do you know why Tarja is only opera trained but Floor has it all opera, Classic sopran singing power full but worsed is Anette comon pop singer not made for metal.
Cmon Ken!!! It’s not even close!!! FLOOR IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL!!! You’re absolutely right
Floor... Floor... oh boy oh boy, chills every time
Floor is dutch and absolute my favorite singer . She makes me cry of happiness
I like Floor Jansen the best here because I like her compression voice as well as her operatic and I also appreciate her tonality and dynamics. She's very interesting even tho she doesn't move much.
if you watch some of nightwish other stuff she moves ALLOT.
Lol have you seen her windmilling? Check out Storytime Live at Wacken!
Or her dancing on ‘I want my tears back’ in Buenos Aires.
It would be silly to move around like crazy in a song like ‘Ghost love score’.
Tarja is fantastic, that make me shiver. Not easy to sing in this quality in open places. Floor also gives me goosebumps and has an incredible performance. 2 differente fantastic divas.
Floor 100%!!! Amazing presence on stage with a killer voice!!!
I remember hearing Floor in her first band, After Forever, back in the late 90's. It was clear, even then, that she was going places and she is an absolute beast today. I know very little of actual song and some of the terms you speak of are just Greek to me, but I know what I like and Floors voice sound very complete to my ears, the way she blends various ways of singing from operatic to near growling. Excellent video Ken and I agree with you: Floor is the woman👍
All of them did it greatly. But Floor OMG!
I have been listening Nightwish since I was a child, love Tarja. BUT Floor is an angel!
Totally agree. Tarja set the standard and Floor said hold my beer. Anette is a good singer. Just not for Nightwish IMO. I smiled as soon as I saw the Floor example was the Wacken show as IMO that is the one where she absolutely killed it. The best I've seen of her live recordings doing GLS. So same sorry to the Tarja die hards out there but I think Nightwish was great with Tarja as lead but is now perfected with Floor as lead.
Tarja still beats Floor easily.
Floor will always just be the replacement.
For me, Floor is by far the best choice for Nightwish. The reason for this is that Floor sings with incredible versatility. There are very, very few singers in the world who are as extremely versatile as this woman. But that doesn't mean that I automatically think Tarja or Anette are bad singers. Absolutely not, its just the fact that they doesn't manage to fill the range like Floor. Floor Jansen is unique and a phenomenon. It can hardly be described in words, you just feel it. One of a kind!
The bottom line is Floor gives me chills while Tarja and Anette never did. She can do the operatic thing along with straight-up rock. As a bonus, she looks like Xena on stage.
Exactly exactly exactly
Indeed
100%
They call it Floorgasm :D
You nailed that!
I have to agree that Floor does a great job of bringing Nightwish's long career together in the best possible way. And she also has proven herself with her albums that she just doesn't fill the role of the previous singers, but manages to step up to the plate and show her own talent and wonderful voice capabilities.
I like how even tho it wasnt your intention, we also see how impressive Marco is :D always love when he kicks in
You're right, Marco was the other impressive member of Nightwish. let us wish him all the best and let´s hope that he comes back in one or the other way to music soon! (There are some duets Marco did with Floor - they are worth to bee listen / see).
I love all the Nightwish Singers but Tarja is my fav and well Floor is out of this world. But the 1st song I heard was Amarath w Annette so I went backwards to see how Tarja sang! I love her!❣️
Tarja was awesome! But Floor, overall...hands down.
No.
Tarja destroys floor.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Tarja has to much vibrato to do ANY of the grit that Floor can sing - hence Marco sang those parts for Tarja - nice combo, BUT enter Floor... Marco & Floor both belting out the same melody but harmonizing it with the full grit is magic!
This is going to cause mayhem 😂 I love all three singers, but enjoyed Annette's era most of all. I got to symphonic from a love of classical, for me it's the fun, bright energy of Annette's voice that appeals to me most. Each singer has brought something great, something new. I wish you'd picked a different Annette track, Storytime or The Siren would have been a fairer comparison, arguably you've selected Tarja and Floor at their peak.
I feel the same. Dont be afraid to express your love for Anette's era, theres a lot of floor stans trying to ruin it for everyone and jump at anyone who criticises her or praises the other singers over her and im so over it.
Have to agree, I dont think Tarja or Floor could have done Meadows Of Heaven or Turn Loose The Mermaids as good as Annette
I think that it is great that you can express your favourite singer and why you feel that way without resorting to slating the others as some others tend to. I think that all three had some great songs with the band that I haven't heard covered any better than their own version. They had different styles which has given Nightwish overall a huge amount of versatility. It has definitely highlighted Tuomas' skill as a composer and songwriter in the different styles that he has been able to incorporate and the bandmembers ability to play them. I agree that it was rather unfortunate to have chosen Anette singing Wishmaster though. I didn't hate it but she was never going to be able to compare with Tarja there. I even prefer Tarja's version to Floor's if I'm honest but Annette's Rest Calm or Turn Loose the Mermaids is amazing!
Ohhh you went there, Ken!! Lol, great job! My favorite singer of the 3 is Floor, but it's because I feel she is versatile enough to step into almost any situation and have the chops and sensibilities to pull it off. I still think of Tarja as OG Nightwish though, and the start of the genre.
Thanks for listening!
Ken, I came here for Nightwish, but got hung up on how much you are clearly a master of your trade. I love watching true professionals in any discipline. You are a shining example of that. Keep it up, and thank you.
First, I rarely ever comment on TH-cam. This is the first video I've seen of yours and subscribed immediately (I have maybe 4 subscriptions). I'm compelled to comment because I went to a music major high school where signing and music theory were required. I'm passionate about good vocals and have some training.
I wanted to let you know that you are spot on. I agree nearly 100%. My only small gripe is I think you give Annette more credit than she deserves. I agree, her CDs are probably the best of Nightwish. I never heard her live until this though. That was atrocious. You say she's a "good studio singer", but I think that doesn't say much. Shouldn't most singers sound good with the help of the studio? With what I saw here, she would have never have gotten a solo part in my high school. She's not even a good pop voice.
When I discovered Nightwish in the early 2000s, I really liked the music, but I couldn't completely get into the vocals. Tarja uses what my teachers called a "covered" sound and I think she just used too much of it. I absolutely love operatic vocals, but she just took it a little to far for that style of music.
When I discovered After Forever in the early 2000s, I fell in love with Floor's voice. "Lonely" and "Cry With a Smile" lead me to the conclusion that Floor is the best female metal singer and one of the best singers I've ever heard for any genre. I'm ecstatic that she's finally getting the appreciation that she's always deserved. She's indisputably the best thing to ever happen to Nightwish. With that said, Marko leaving is devastating.
My honest opinion is no one did it better. All singers original and replacements are equal. Anette brought a different sound to the group. But really didn't fair to Tarja's albums. Floor is awesome. I listened to a lot of her After Forever songs. Great Stuff. Tarja. I am sorry she won me over to Nightwish with Wishmaster. Every singer brought something different to the table and I can't throw any of them under the bus.
Ghost Love Score sung by Floor = Goosebumps EVERY TIME!
Tarja defined Nightwish a a powerhouse never the been the same since .
Tarja is, and will always be, *THE* Nightwish vocalist to me. But Floor is her worthy successor. Already a highly talented vocalist in her own right 20 years prior, Floor just needed the perfect musical partner for the World to finally "discover" her. Anette was not nearly as bad a vocalist as people made her out to be, and I quite enjoyed her bright, youthful voice. She was the victim of multiple mistakes (and cowardice) on Nightwish's part. I'm glad she's with The Dark Element now.
For me Annette and Nightwish never fitted together.
I think that Tarja developed her lower voice later. If you hear the low notes from her in "Supremacy" - they are gorgeous and very powerful. At this concert she is a little bit weaker with lower notes, but still - she was ill, so I think she did a wonderful job! It wasn't always perfect, but... no one is. :-) Love her voice, she's amazing.
I started listening to Nightwish because of Tarja. I tuned out because of Annette. I'm still listening because of Floor.
Beautiful analysis of vocalists Ken! For me their best album is "Wishmaster", and I had the privilege of watching them live in 2003, unforgettable. My vote is Tarja, always.
PS: There will be analysis video for "Stranger" and "Ave Maria", DIMASH is evolving even more, he really isn't from this planet!
Tarja and Floor got the goosebomps factor, like you say, for me, really both made me cry.
I am a retired 70 yr old pediatrician, I stumbled on your channel cruising night wish videos (I am infatuated). You are utterly amazing. I plan on watching more of your analysis. Retirement has given me a chance to experience a world of things I have missed out on. I’m atheist so thank “what ever” for the internet and the ability to see truly amazing artist. Much of what I have seen is so well composed it would even bring heir Mozart to tears. I sometimes wonder is Toumas of Nightwish not a partial reincarnation of the former.
My favorite is Tarja ever since I listened to “Wishmaster” album back in the day! Great series Ken, love your “soprano” voice!🤟🔥🎸
How I missed that Ken! You are da King!
I did this same thing at the beginning of the year where I compared all three of them performing Ghost Love Score. I personally prefer Tarja, I like her voice so much more than the other two... but this caused a lot of controversy on my video and I got a LOT of aggressive messages because I didn't like Floor as much as everyone else did.
Floor gives me goose bumps every time i listen and by far for me is the best singer that is my opinion, her vocal range is amazing and get's the emotions going a very talented singer.
All three singers were the best choice for their respective albums, each of them having their own peculiarities. But all the credit goes to Tuomas Holopainen, the composer, who wrote sublime works for each of them while remaining faithful to the idea of Nightwish, always telling his dream but through different voices.
What he said...
Profound, and so on point. I would like this 100 times if I could.
This
Without Tarja Nightwish would never have been noticed. That opera element she brought is just amazing. But I really do agree with you that the best studio album was with Anette, and now with Floor, Nightwish is just amazing.
Floor would never have joined the band from the beginning. So the journey that the band has taken is just perfect.
And they're back! Thanks Ken!!
wow... thanks for taking my suggestion. great video
Thank you so much, Ken for this video. The Best Vocal Coach talking about my favorite band 😍 Personally, I love Tarja the most, but the voices of Floor and Anette also sounds great with all melodies that Tuomas create. Maybe I miss this drama songs from Once and Century Child albums. Thank you for all explanation about how their voices works, that's really help to understand more about own voice. Who is missing live shows, raise the hand? 😅 Hope to see they live soon again
My pleasure!
The only one who creates an emotional feeling is Floor. Floor is more versatile. Tarja is great too. Anette sings well but I think she is possibly better suited ro more popular music - she might be grat at country or country rock .I agree that Floor is the best- really great live
I think we all love the memories. Tarja should sing the old stuff, Anette the songs from her time. But Floor is a Killer Queen she can do it all. But I like all three.
That is a good point that Floor was able to cover for both Tarja and Annette, which I guess was essential going forward. She is definitely the most versatile. I am more drawn to Tarja because she does look like she was was plucked from the 1700s, giving me dark queen realness. I just like that darker tone.
Anette is a nurse and still records, I believe she has a new tune out, it might even be today!
She isn't a bad vocalist, she was just the wrong choice to replace Tarja, and all that's on Tomas Holopainen. I think she was unfairly treated by many of the fans, the shoes were too big to fill.
I like some of the songs in the Anette era group in her voice more than I do in Floor's voice just because they are more...pop style in nature, like Amaranth. Same goes for some of the Tarja era songs but. Yes. I do think Anette was treated unfairly. I do think she was a better choice as far as crowd interaction goes though. It just seemed more forced with Tarja
The thing is, I really don't see Annette as having replaced Tarja, Tuomas probably wanted to take Nightwish in a different direction and was limited by Tarja's style, so when he got the chance he changed the style of the band completely. But I really feel Floor is the best of both worlds and has a better stage presence and chemistry, plus an ability to distort her voice to give her a harder rock feeling, which the other couldn't, or at least didn't.
You know, I don't even think she was a poor replacement for Tarja. I think that if Tuomas had just had Anette sing *her* songs for Live performances, it would've been fine. But he wanted to perform Tarja's songs still, and that wasn't fair to Anette. Bye Bye Beautiful also wasn't fair to Anette, or to make a music video of her singing it in; they might as well have put a neon sign over her head for fans to take their anger out on. And if they'd released The Escapist (instead of Amaranth) as their first hit single with Anette, she would've been welcomed by fans much more graciously. A much more solid song. Multiple mistakes on Tuomas's (and the rest of Nightwish) fault.
And if your sick, Annette is the singer to look after you, beat that!!
Unfortunately whoever the band brought in to replace Tarja would have faced the wrath of the fans. A couple of good albums but I feel NW were only cruising for a few yrs with Anette until they decided to replace her with Floor. Fortunately Floor is so good at what she does in being able to do justice to the Tarja era songs as well as Anette's and the the albums with her as well that most fans took to her instantly.
Floor Jansen...hands down...the best
No. Tarja is still far better.
Not even close to Tarja!
Greetings from Helsinki, Finland. Floor, Tarja and then Anette. Before Floor i always thinking nobody ever can't sing Nightwish songs better than Tarja. But hell yeah i was very wrong.
Well, Floor has not only replaced Tarja and Anette with perfection, bringing their element together and putting her personality together, but now she's also singing parts that Marko used to sing, and she's also doing that with perfection. In the song Planet Hell for example, who doesn't know that Marko sang parts of the song and saw recent videos of Floor singing the entire song alone, would never imagine, it seems that she always sang all the parts. She's the most complete vocalist I've ever seen, I think she can sing anything she's given, and very well.
I agree.
She can sing a ristorante menu and it will sound awesome.
Whaaaat? You mean Marko hasn't been singing on Planet Hell like he used to? I mean his voice on that song was amazing, why is only Floor singing it? It was supposed to be both male and female vocals and it rocked!!
Is there a version of that online? I couldn't find it .
@@k.b.6844 Marko left the band and Floor took over his parts in Planet Hell. In other songs Troy was given more significance.
I love all 3 singers, they are awesome. My favorite is floor. Floor is the best female singer I've ever heard.
That was cool, dude.
🤘😎🤘
I like both Tarja and Floor, though Floor, to me, is one of the most complete rock/metal vocalists alive. She can sing anything.
I watched the video again and what I noticed is that the band members were most relaxed and showed the most smiles when they where on stage with Floor. With Floor they seem to completely go for it to make every show the best ever.
I just love your Video here! You arw doing this comparison in such a nice and honest way!
Nightwisharmy gives a big Thumb Up!!🥰
I love all of them!
Tarja was the first and hearing her sing in NW it brings back good memories!
I really love Anette, too. Saw her live with NW back in the days and she rocked. Yes, she's not Tarja or Floor, but she knows this. Check her new stuff with The dark element out. She released her new Solo Album Strong yesterday and it's awesome!
And Floor is Floor - no need to say more! She can sing everything!
I think it's great that everyone can choose a favourite song of NW with one's favourite singer in it! Kind of a luxury problem 😉
All are great, Floor is my favourite... but still the 2 best Nightwish albums are the ones with Anette on vocals.
I love Tarja but Floor is a goddess! She gives me goosebumps whenever I hear her incredible voice! And her stage presence is absolutely gorgeous.
Thank you so much, Ken, for this video!! I really love Tarja and she'll remain my favorite forever. However, I think you're right as far as Floor having the whole package and she sounds amazing! I also agree on the Anette albums being the coolest! Tuomas must have been in a serious funk for the first part of Nightwish. The music is so beautiful but oh, so sad and lonely.
I'm an American who has never been anywhere near their concerts but even from my limited experience, we catch him having more fun in pictures now with his look and even cracking a smile sometimes. I think in the beginning, it might be that what they were doing was pioneering enough that he really wanted them to be taken seriously. Now that they're established and he's proven that he can write beautiful music to support really any lead voice type at this point, I can tell he's pretty proud of himself, as he should be! I get mad at him sometimes for how he handled that past stuff but I also love him. He's amazing and I admire him very much. He's pretty much just made it clear that at the end of the day, the band comes first. I am doing a TarTuo fanart to sort of help me accept their part of it, and I was looking for album cover refs yesterday. Their early album promo shoots are so weird. XDDD Especially the white ones where they brought Tarja clear up into our faces and set the other guys far in the back, or where she and Tuomas were brought forward and Marco, Jukka and Emppu were little ants. Weird. I just hope that sort of marketing didn't happen all the time back then or I can def see how even this could help promote a rift. While I'm clearly Tarja-biased, I love them all and I don't think marketing is something we can put solely on her as being a diva. It's a misogynistic lens that helped trap her in a diva box because marketing is like a reality show where it's all framed to make people look epically amazing or bad. If I had been Jukka for example, I can only imagine I would constantly not care to do photoshoots or I would have to just accept the shallow "reality" that no one cares about the drummer, only the songbird and the composer, which simply isn't true. With NW filmed on stage, no one fades into the background if they're a featured member. You see how great they all are at what they do (edit: AND how much fun they have and had together.) I'm glad that it seems like the group is all pictured on the same plane now with Floor to promote them all as equally important because the music would only be a shadow of itself without every single one of the bandmate's talents.
I think I might have an idea about Tarja's dramatic enunciation. For me, with her pure rounded vowels and maybe my language barrier, it was difficult to understand the lyrics at times in live concert footage without looking them up, but I totally understood every word of Phantom so she may have picked up the enunciation to compensate.
I really hope that Anette footage was just an off day. You're right about her look, Ken. I remember Tarja mentioning that on the End of Innocence documentary that this was a specific requirement by the menfolk (of the band maybe but probably more of the industry,) that her looks were a big deal and she needed to be made up. I love being comfortable and can barely be bothered, so I totally empathize but then when I see this Anette footage, I am starting to see why, at least as far as showmanship. Having our bandmembers decked out like vamps and rockstars up there takes us away to the fairytale so it's almost like you don't even notice past Anette's outfit to hear her singing. Then there's that whole sexual but yet unattainable songbird thing going on too that's part of the marketing. At the same time, I also appreciate that she didn't let that sort of looks pressure get to her and was liberating herself. Double-edged sword for me but ultimately, I love their costumes and lightshows so I am going to just be a bit of a hypocrite prefer how Tarja and Floor dress.
I need to find a good Floor album song that captures me the way that Anette and Tarja have, to start listening to the new stuff. Watching the video where Tarja and Floor sing together, where it's clear they like each other very much, really helped for me to accept Floor. From what I've heard of Nightwish's music overall so far, the ladies all inspire different moods for me. Tarja with the boys is like the very essence of passion and gives me the good chills, especially when paired with Marco. Anette is childlike, playful and sweet like a visit to fairy land and always makes me smile, especially Storytime, which is the song I'm currently obsessed with and prolly my fave NW song overall besides Planet Hell and GLS. Floor is more ethereal and reminds me of the Tolkien elves, at least for the slow stuff I've heard. I like the way all of it sounds!
Speaking of End of Innocence, did anyone notice how they showed us so much of how Tuomas was drunk and tortured all through that tour, even framing it with sad music? Tarja didn't look to be together with them much during all that, which doesn't look great on the surface for their closeness, but in truth, a single female alone with one drunk male or more, would be very dangerous for her. Even if they weren't drunk and gropey with her, they are all very hawt and would probably be hard to resist. I could only see her coming out of it quite pregnant. So I'm glad she stayed safe.
Floor! Totally agree with you, Ken ♥️
Glad you to hear!
My favorite is Tarja cause she has some kind of an special connection or chemistry with the audience and with the band members, specially in songs like Everdream, Walking in the Air, Wish I had an angel, Nemo, Siren, Over the Hills and far away, Bless the Child, Ghost Score and of course Phanthom of the Opera. Just analyze Walking in the Air and you could notice how people feel like that, as if you were somekind of floating in the air. Definitely, Tarja.
Angels Fall First and especially Ocean Born are my favorite Nightwish albums, and Tarja was such a crucial part of my favorite era of Nightwish.
Tarja is good, Annette had to sing opera songs and it was tough for her, but Floor is the perfect singer she can do it all.
Started listening to Nightwish from their Once album but I saw Nightwish first on their Dark Passion Play tour in 2008 and it was amazing.
It was everything I imagined and more the energy of the band on stage was out of this world. It was a small theatre very intimate and the sound was amazing. On subsequent tours they've played in larger venues. Watching them live I was in awe, Dark Passion Play's album really stood up to it's live performance.
I missed their next tour and then was really happy to see their 2016 tour with Floor. It was an absolutely great concert.
Annette gets overlooked a lot but you can't deny the quality of her albums. Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum stand toward the top.
Floor is my favourite singer.
Hi Ken, thank you tremendously for reviewing Nightwish! Agree with all your observations 100%. Appreciate your sensitivity during this review as well as this in-depth analysis.
Wow, this is great ... thanks Ken for the most balanced assessment I have ever heard of these 3 women. Tarja is my least favourite but honestly probaby because she's the one I know the least.
Anette did sing on the best two albums Nightwish ever produced and she killed it in the studio. The official videos of "Amaranth" and "Storytime" done with Anette are incredible like short films.
Of the two albums Floor recorded "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" is the better one. With "The Greatest Show on Earth" Tuomas's opus of the story of all life in 24 minutes. At the end of the day, you're right Floor combines the sensibilities of both Tarja and Anette while bringing an incredible skill set of her own to the stage. Then being such a Rock Star while doing so, Floor is the greater of the 3 women. This was fantastic and you're so good with this series, love it.
Being able to bring a little bit of the other two women in each doesn’t mean that she’s greater. A jack of all trades doesn’t necessarily mean that that’s the best artist. You could be somebody who specializes in one thing and blow everyone else away. That being said, you have every right to prefer floor, I just thought that I would comment on that point. A lot of people don’t understand that TARJA is also very versatile and doesn’t just sing in a classical style.
Great takedown Mr. Tamplin! I like all 3 of them. But Anette did a fabulous job on "Amaranth". What a fantastic chorus! The last one when they raise the frequency a bit is just incredible. I cannot go to sleep now! Staying on youtube.
Thanks for listening!
Floor all day every day for me, but I respect what the other 2 did for the band. The band wouldn't be there for Floor to be in if it weren't for Tarja and Anette.
Tarja laid the foundation of the soprano led symphonic metal and then Anette filled in with the pop elements but the brilliance of adding Floor is that not only can she handle the back catalogue of both Tarja and Anette, on top of that Floor is also a full-fledged metal singer which means she is a more perfect fit for Nightwish than almost anyone else could have been.
she cant, not at tarjas level...
I favor Floor, she is Dutch like me, but that's not the reason, although we see her do so much more than just Nightwish. She always shines. She also is a vocal coach and shows her own footage as well as giving examples and doing covers. She is a tall lady too which adds to her stage presence. Although I have seen Tarja and Floor sing together they match. But overall Floor is the best.
Hehe Ken is walking thin ice here :) There is an army with artillery waiting what comes out of it ... Anyways just saying hi from Czech Republic and keep bringing this good stuff to us ! Thanks !
All are great but Tarja is my favourite
My preference is also Floor. She has a beautiful voice that works perfectly with the band. I don't think that pure bel canto works as well with the band.
Thanks so much for the video ! As you said Nightwish might be one of the most under rated band ever. Their songwirting, playing, performing and even live mixing are impecable, really outstanding. They way the mixed the melody symphonic emotions with the rock energy and vibe is really unique. All respect to both Tarja and Anette, but Floor might be one of the most skilled and talented female rock singer of all times. Incredible range, unique mix of chest and head voice, vocal and stage presence, super technique.... In my opinion Floor took Nightwith outstanding work to an even superior level. Floor + nightwish songwriting, production and performance created a killer... huge band! If still don´t know Nightwish go for it and prepare for amazing surprise.
Tarja was good BUT Floor she GREAT
Floor can do it all!!!!! Floor all the way! They are all phenomenal singers!!! But I just love Floor the most!
I had tried Nightwish a few years back and didn't get them. The Phantom thing was cute, so I shared it on my Facebook music page for my daughter who does musical theatre. Your breakdown is how I felt about both the singers not named Floor. I am a Floorwish fan and listen to no one else now.
I love your maleness in your reactions and have you up there with 3 other vocal experts. I am a drummer, closet bass player, born again guitarist and 1 fingered typist keyboard player who also writes, records and releases his own music. I have 2 singers I use and have been able to communicate with the right language that you use, what I hear in my lyrics and melodies. Now onto Hughes, Gillan and Coverdale, peace brother!