@@colinvadival6004 they is nothing wrong about the judge but the defence team is weak and useless if u can remember very well when Ntanzi was testifying was much better then these useless lawyers they just chowing there money for nothing I feel sorry for these guyz
Lol they tried BLA and it turns out Ratha is the founder of BLA and Sinqobile Maphisa tried petition that also was a waste of time .Last option now it's to give up and admit that these guys are guilty by this time the defence expert has told them what we already know .The killing machine killed Senzo ,but he will give them questions to cast doubt
Let's have a look at why all evidence points to kelly 1.Kelly cut contact with Senzo's family with immediate effect, incl the sister that accepted her &refuse them access to their daughter 2.She remotely wiped her phone after police confiscated it. Why do so? If she's innocent 3.She deliberately and purposefully pointed out Zamo Mbatha ku ID parade even Mrs Steenkamp, the sketch artist suspected her 4.She refused for son(Christian) to get interviewed by police&psychologists in order to shed the light as he was there until the fatal shot was fired 5.She got cleansed hours after senzo died 6.She hung on to Senzo's belongs until Musa Mgaga went to beg her to return it incl the ID which was needed for the death certificate (boom a sim swop is done day after senzo passes and now people ask who did the sim swop when it's obviously ,who had Senzo's ID?Mthoko testified about her refusing to give it to them police had to br called) 7.She predicted the current situation in "asine"she stated on after robert Marawa enterview "this song is about a woman who's accused of killing her husband, she kept saying its not me during the court case "whats happening today ? 8.She pulled Senzo back to go say goodbye to her mom, Zandi ,Mthoko&Tumelo testified about that ,she called Nkabis and delayed Senzo,mtho &Tumi until Ntanzi no Mncube entered the house collaborated by 2 confessions 9.There's proof she contacted these nkabis and bag full of money to pay them was recovered via downloads and the same pic was found ku Gadla(3).Allegedly
@outclasstours1342 The defence can only show you one side of the coin, normal call on the section 205 2 October 2014 and the second one October 2014 she used bbm call and that's why it doesn't show on the section 205 and the bag full.There are other calls that the defence is not disputing on the other number accused 5 claims it belonged to her late mom ,but XDS +bank records +enatis says he registered the Grey polo using his name and that cell number .I will, however , quote the record of when Steyn testified a year ago.Allegedly
@outclasstours1342 proceedings of 27 July 2023 5:28 :46 Kelly with number 4358 received a call from Ntuli time was 22:40 duration was 110 secs on the 2 August 2014 she received a bbm call. Allegedly
@@Chibvunza Ntuli never called Kelly or received a call from Kelly. That is why Styn is back in court because it was discovered that the numbers that were attributed to Ntuli were from Mafukate and Meyiwa. Are you following the case at all?
@@Chibvunza It is actually the state that is showing one side, deliberately hiding the truth to drive a wrong narrative and you seem to have fallen for it. The BBM call is new evidence that came up after their shenanigans were exposed. It won't stick during cross examination. Watch this space. Longwe too used a number registered under his father. How come you don't have an issue with that? People use family numbers all the time to open accounts.
Where is NPA and chief Justice?because this is a waste of texpayers by the state for no reason. This justice system is so very poor and is just a terrible dream
NPA andChief justice nèed an urgent replacement. They are in ICU. Maybe DA will hear our cries and come to our rescue. Balotu and Ratha must be split for us to see true colours and true reflection of events.😮
i King Phoka say here and now that, those five young men have nothing to do with the murder of Senzo Meyiwa. a. If they were contact killers "none of those who were in the house would have come and testified against them" because Kelly Khumalo shall be exposed, b. When Kelly is exposed Longwe Twala will follow the suit, c. Then others will be accomplices by various charges. State has tried to avoid that by not calling either Kelly, or Longwe to testify. That's why they cooked evidence that Kell and Longwe runaway prior Senzo's shot.
I tell you now again that whether you like it or not these 5 guys are guilty. All their defence has been rebuked they are naked now as we speak 1.They know each other vs their defence that they never met 2.They were in Kwanongoma is another lie 3.They've been linked to the mastermind 4.The defence ballistic expert has arrived to the same conclusion as Mangena "killing machine killed Senzo .Accused 3s transaction at tops 26/10/2014 proves that the bogus cop mr Zungu was really with them when he alleged that they used a red Uno which turned out to be a red Polo it's over boss .Allegedly
@@Chibvunzayou wish like many others if they are guilty why this case is forever "because whatever Baloyi and his crew are concocting against them is not ripe" they should have concluded it after admitting confessions. I can't believe after all that happened you are still blindfolded by Baloyi and his chefs.
@@kingphoka-uf5tk@kingphoka-uf5tk I am not blindfolded by Baloyi,but I am impressed by the evidence of the cold case unit joint with Afriforum. These guys worked tirelessly to bring these criminals to book.Last straw is the ballistic evidence 1.He successfully linked these 5 guys from claiming to have never met, to phone calls ,photos together and hanging out together 2.To calling the mastermind 3.To prove the identity kit the person with dreadlocks,big ,eyes ,gold tooth ,wearing beige clothing running away from the scene carrying a 9mm .He was described 27/10/2014 not 2019 in cas 375 he was described by people that were not even in the house (Simphiwe Ngwenya &Thabang Makelane)his phone downloads show him matching the description 26/10/2014 even the clothing 😮 4.Muzi was sentenced 17 years for attempted murder for allegedly firing a hail of bullets trying to kill her girlfriend &sister(Ntombizodwa&Mfanelo) whom threatened to spill the beans about the killing of Senzo 5.Tower information places Mncube at basothwin hostel with Zungu+tops transaction 26/10/2014 proves Zungu's testimony is correct 6.Mncube left his usual phone and took bhobhobho,but a card transaction placed him in Vosloorus"i-i-indeed my lord.The defence can call anyone after the state closes its case,but the defence has lost(ngeke badabule ngisho nangembobo yeskhiya).Allegedly
No need ,the truth has been ironed out Steyn used both section 205 and downloads to determine these calls .Now it's no Longer speculation that these 5 guys were hired hence they came for one phone when there were 10 cellphones and a bmw X6 babaleka ngezinyawo that raised Eyebrows .Now, sesiyaz what South Africans always suspected "its Kelly that hired these nkabis .Allegedly
@sithembisophewa9380 no one manipulated calls ,but evidence proves it was internet calls retrieved from cellphone downloads made the mastermind and that's the only 2 that's in dispute either than that evidence is intact
@@sarahvilane3789Ratha turns out to be bias towards the defence especially when they need clarity from witnesses or objecting the state and witnesses evidence. That's what most people are concerned about.
I highly doubt that he even went home, he was in jhb the whole time. This morning they were just preparing him to make sure that he remembers everything
That system is inefficient and unreliable . Why does it have to change the number ? why not use it as is from pdf? That already is manipulation and not authentic as Steyn claim. There are human intervention simply because of the change from pdf to excel the info slightly doesnt match . Why not??😮
I never heard of blackberry among the phones mentioned. Watsapp call was introduced in 2015 april, is there any technology that could be used to call or make video calls other than those in 2014?
Nope the print outs are there as to how Steyn arrived to that conclusion, the call and tower information are there and collaborates the gig yase Limpopo. Kuphelile engingayaz ukuth uzoboshwa nini umastermind it was an internet call even duration is there .Allegedly
@MargarethMokone-jz4hq However, he said the time on the 205 is the real time. That plan fails dismally by the introduction of the 205 from Vodafone. 😅😅
@@Roblox_wendy73 True that...The state failed dismally,all they are trying to do now is to confuse the defense but all I know is that they aren't stupid as Baloyi and Ratha thinks.
Lol downloads you add 2 hours, but section 205 is real time .Pinky is not an analyst but he is a liason from Vodacom to read section 205 as it is,but King Steyn used section 205 ,phonebook from downloaded phones ,section 205 ,XDS ,crime intelligence data base ,enatis and bank records to to match the phone number appearing on a section 205 to a person using the methods above
@@MargarethMokone-jz4hqthey are not stupid,but it's their jobs to defend their clients.In truth they know and heard a voice recording of Ntanzi illegally recorded by my vrou Cronje confessing ,not the dumping site mambo jambo and assaults .Defence has been caught in lies, they changed their defence 3 times when they are caught in a lie 1.These 5 accused initially said they never met and then King baloyi produced the cellphone data to show they know each other and he was successful 2.They said they were in Kwanongoma.Firstly, Zungu Mr "yebo" showed them on pics together and they changed the story to George Goch 3.Just last week Mshololo was putting it to Pinky that they were at cnr main &nugget waiting for accused 5 to knock off .So accused 3,4 and 5 now drove to katlehong in a mini bus ,but they never met 😂😂.Careful of these liars and now defence ballistic expert just told them already what they know that the killing machine killed Senzo no doubt .Allegedly
@@seantowanda8702 The alleged 1st call from Ntuli to Kelly Khumalo lasted almost 2min so she must be called to come and testify about their mingling moes.
@@Turtleback8024 And it is not fair because Steyn says the 1st call between her and accused no5 lasted for almost 2minutes.So the state doesn't want to know what was actually being discussed mxxxm.
@@phumzagalada6263 likhona cala oke ulilandele before ngaphandle kwaleli? Mina ngyabona Kut mkhumbi uyaminza manje and ledefence team iweak noma iwadayisa ngamabomu lamajita
@@phumzagalada6263lol sizobona nge verdict Mina ngingabheja labasolwa bazolahlwa icala .I final I Wednesday when they cross examine Mangena, they wasted money on a defence ballistic expert which told them today what we already know that the killing machine killed Senzo ende futh siyaz babathunywe wuban evidence before the court .Allegedly
Why dont they do a call right there in court and he uses his program to download the call data and see how the two hours are added? This recipe is confusing
@@AdvDeNovo True. That's why the state is trying to drag the case for as long as they can, with an endless list of witnesses while avoiding Docket 375.
@@AdvDeNovothe defence should ask for that and Rata must agree because he was willing to go for a drive to prove the AVL evidence of the state…. So we must do this is court
Actually he said "on the first call they were using whatsapp call and on the second one they were using bbm,,and Mshololo said there were no whatsapp call in 2014 and he said he meant bbm and later said bbm and whatsapp call are one and the same🤣🤣🤣
evidence ya leburu lena doesn't assist the same court even the state it's only brought further discrepancies in the proceedings, Baloyi were trying to erase what pinky finds out 😂😂😂😂😂 it is now worse as boertjie talk of kelly khumalo as a suspect and a person of interest 😅😅😅😅😅😅 a very person his trying to protect
We do not want to hear the reading of numbers again. Steyn need to explain why his excel has different numbers. I am sure that will never take 5 days to explain as Baloyi stated earlier. Kudlalwa ngathi and Senzo family la. We are really tired of this time wasting.
Lol so according to steyn kelly used BIS to make the calls, so is he telling us that this guy was using blackberry and knew about BIS, an Nkabi with a blackberry? BIS was only available to blackberry users
now whatsup was formed on 2009 and whatsup call was introduce on 2015 thats data call one can make ,now how was that call maqde on 2014 if whatsup call was not there?
Steyn o leshano no one should add or extract any milliseconds, minutes, hours from the actual time 😂😂😂😂😂😂 once you do that you have change it originality of the course.
Circulate to everybody not circulate on everybody. I thought Ratha acts as a professor of English especially when he wants to intimidate the defence team .
Do you even have an idea of what you are talking about?? Just sit in that chair and we see how you will go south instead of going forward you just like speaking rubbish nje
@simphiwegumede5527 there is no umsangano here. The state has a strong case against the accused, judge Ratha is a seasoned presiding officer, thorough in everything he does.
The analysis from the police is not only from the section 205 of service provider, they also have a programmme (ANB) they use that add info . Hence the information is not exactly the same
@@ezaius2011whats app call is not recorded on a section 205 because you use data not airtime. Pinky comfired internet ka kelly was on displaying "blackberry internet Service " .Allegedly
No Mnisi is defeated and the only defence is to be hostile towards the judge and the witness uzothukwa ngikutshele .Plus the defence expert has comfirmed what we already know that the killing machine killed Senzo. Allegedly
The biggest problem with this case is botsibinki who wants to be judges..Ntanzi lied about his adress and denied knowing the other accused when he applied for bail..
@christinechifunyise688 WhatsApp is a form of data call. Data call is a call using the internet of which WhatsApp uses the internet. WhatsApp calling was only available in March 2015. Steyn needs to specify which was the Data calls that were used
The ballistic experts from the defence and the state will compile a joint report about the findings on the fire arm and ammunition. They should be coming to court after colonel Steyn's evidence
They are there to defend against the wrong evidence not to lie. Sonis the prosecutor he doesnt investigate but use information from IO but must first check if merits not mislead court or build evidence as Balozi is doing he was there from the beginning
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Defense need to be bold and go on the offense against this uncouth judge we are tired of this nonsense in the court
@@colinvadival6004 they is nothing wrong about the judge but the defence team is weak and useless if u can remember very well when Ntanzi was testifying was much better then these useless lawyers they just chowing there money for nothing I feel sorry for these guyz
Lol they tried BLA and it turns out Ratha is the founder of BLA and Sinqobile Maphisa tried petition that also was a waste of time .Last option now it's to give up and admit that these guys are guilty by this time the defence expert has told them what we already know .The killing machine killed Senzo ,but he will give them questions to cast doubt
@@Chibvunza Kahle wena lelizizimbane
@@mbusimt5905@mbusimt5905 lol makusho wena nzule ndini😂😂😂.Ay nith manihlulwa wukucabanga bese nisebenzisa ubu xenophobic. Kodwa ngeshwa ke angisiwo wangaphandle nkabi yam
I hear you clearly even bank records showed that the number belong to Ntuli@@Chibvunza
Let's have a look at why all evidence points to kelly
1.Kelly cut contact with Senzo's family with immediate effect, incl the sister that accepted her &refuse them access to their daughter
2.She remotely wiped her phone after police confiscated it. Why do so? If she's innocent
3.She deliberately and purposefully pointed out Zamo Mbatha ku ID parade even Mrs Steenkamp, the sketch artist suspected her
4.She refused for son(Christian) to get interviewed by police&psychologists in order to shed the light as he was there until the fatal shot was fired
5.She got cleansed hours after senzo died
6.She hung on to Senzo's belongs until Musa Mgaga went to beg her to return it incl the ID which was needed for the death certificate (boom a sim swop is done day after senzo passes and now people ask who did the sim swop when it's obviously ,who had Senzo's ID?Mthoko testified about her refusing to give it to them police had to br called)
7.She predicted the current situation in "asine"she stated on after robert Marawa enterview "this song is about a woman who's accused of killing her husband, she kept saying its not me during the court case "whats happening today ? 8.She pulled Senzo back to go say goodbye to her mom, Zandi ,Mthoko&Tumelo testified about that ,she called Nkabis and delayed Senzo,mtho &Tumi until Ntanzi no Mncube entered the house collaborated by 2 confessions 9.There's proof she contacted these nkabis and bag full of money to pay them was recovered via downloads and the same pic was found ku Gadla(3).Allegedly
Which proof are you talking about in no. 9?
@outclasstours1342 The defence can only show you one side of the coin, normal call on the section 205 2 October 2014 and the second one October 2014 she used bbm call and that's why it doesn't show on the section 205 and the bag full.There are other calls that the defence is not disputing on the other number accused 5 claims it belonged to her late mom ,but XDS +bank records +enatis says he registered the Grey polo using his name and that cell number .I will, however , quote the record of when Steyn testified a year ago.Allegedly
@outclasstours1342 proceedings of 27 July 2023 5:28 :46 Kelly with number 4358 received a call from Ntuli time was 22:40 duration was 110 secs on the 2 August 2014 she received a bbm call. Allegedly
@@Chibvunza Ntuli never called Kelly or received a call from Kelly. That is why Styn is back in court because it was discovered that the numbers that were attributed to Ntuli were from Mafukate and Meyiwa. Are you following the case at all?
@@Chibvunza It is actually the state that is showing one side, deliberately hiding the truth to drive a wrong narrative and you seem to have fallen for it. The BBM call is new evidence that came up after their shenanigans were exposed. It won't stick during cross examination. Watch this space. Longwe too used a number registered under his father. How come you don't have an issue with that? People use family numbers all the time to open accounts.
Where is NPA and chief Justice?because this is a waste of texpayers by the state for no reason. This justice system is so very poor and is just a terrible dream
Adv Baloyi and Adv. Sibanda are from the NPA.
NPA andChief justice nèed an urgent replacement. They are in ICU. Maybe DA will hear our cries and come to our rescue. Balotu and Ratha must be split for us to see true colours and true reflection of events.😮
Now who is the real expert Steyn or Pinky?
@@MunaLeonard-f1jBoth
@@MunaLeonard-f1j no 1 they both prostate cancer in our society
May the lord bless the Meyiwa family to find closure. The truth will prevail. 🙏🏾 AMEN
So far without fear or favour; the State cooked the 2 calls; Steyn ur going to jail
For a sick and retired man to be recalled as a witness shows the state's intent. No cooking here😢 KK hired suspect 5 to murder Senzo 😢😢😢
U don't know about the case fr4m the start
😢😢 The state is failing Meyiwa's family, ka nnete
Baloyi cares nothing about Senzo, maybe he never had death of someone close to him to feel that pain Senzo family feels😢😢
i King Phoka say here and now that, those five young men have nothing to do with the murder of Senzo Meyiwa.
a. If they were contact killers "none of those who were in the house would have come and testified against them" because Kelly Khumalo shall be exposed,
b. When Kelly is exposed Longwe Twala will follow the suit,
c. Then others will be accomplices by various charges.
State has tried to avoid that by not calling either Kelly, or Longwe to testify. That's why they cooked evidence that Kell and Longwe runaway prior Senzo's shot.
I tell you now again that whether you like it or not these 5 guys are guilty. All their defence has been rebuked they are naked now as we speak 1.They know each other vs their defence that they never met 2.They were in Kwanongoma is another lie
3.They've been linked to the mastermind
4.The defence ballistic expert has arrived to the same conclusion as Mangena "killing machine killed Senzo .Accused 3s transaction at tops 26/10/2014 proves that the bogus cop mr Zungu was really with them when he alleged that they used a red Uno which turned out to be a red Polo it's over boss .Allegedly
@@Chibvunzayou wish like many others if they are guilty why this case is forever "because whatever Baloyi and his crew are concocting against them is not ripe" they should have concluded it after admitting confessions. I can't believe after all that happened you are still blindfolded by Baloyi and his chefs.
@@kingphoka-uf5tk@kingphoka-uf5tk I am not blindfolded by Baloyi,but I am impressed by the evidence of the cold case unit joint with Afriforum. These guys worked tirelessly to bring these criminals to book.Last straw is the ballistic evidence 1.He successfully linked these 5 guys from claiming to have never met, to phone calls ,photos together and hanging out together 2.To calling the mastermind 3.To prove the identity kit the person with dreadlocks,big ,eyes ,gold tooth ,wearing beige clothing running away from the scene carrying a 9mm .He was described 27/10/2014 not 2019 in cas 375 he was described by people that were not even in the house (Simphiwe Ngwenya &Thabang Makelane)his phone downloads show him matching the description 26/10/2014 even the clothing 😮 4.Muzi was sentenced 17 years for attempted murder for allegedly firing a hail of bullets trying to kill her girlfriend &sister(Ntombizodwa&Mfanelo) whom threatened to spill the beans about the killing of Senzo
5.Tower information places Mncube at basothwin hostel with Zungu+tops transaction 26/10/2014 proves Zungu's testimony is correct 6.Mncube left his usual phone and took bhobhobho,but a card transaction placed him in Vosloorus"i-i-indeed my lord.The defence can call anyone after the state closes its case,but the defence has lost(ngeke badabule ngisho nangembobo yeskhiya).Allegedly
This court room is a joke
Big joke. Same guy who said they called each other. None of those guys including Kelly ever mentioned Blackbury
@khoimkhwanazi6155 lol eh Pinky mentioned Kelly had BIS which reflects on the ama data
@@Slamkat is a crime scene
This interpreter is just bad news! He would repeat each word in a sentence 3 or 4 times, big waste of time!
The state must bring pinky and steyn together to find the thruth
No need ,the truth has been ironed out Steyn used both section 205 and downloads to determine these calls .Now it's no Longer speculation that these 5 guys were hired hence they came for one phone when there were 10 cellphones and a bmw X6 babaleka ngezinyawo that raised Eyebrows .Now, sesiyaz what South Africans always suspected "its Kelly that hired these nkabis .Allegedly
@@Chibvunzawhat are you talking about 😂
@@Chibvunza if it so easy why did they manipulated calls this is travesty of justice
@sithembisophewa9380 no one manipulated calls ,but evidence proves it was internet calls retrieved from cellphone downloads made the mastermind and that's the only 2 that's in dispute either than that evidence is intact
@@Chibvunza internet call which appear at Vodacom as a different number
Ratha is a witness now
Ratha must understand everything that is happening in that court and law allowed him to ask questions can Ratha do his job without any fear
@@sarahvilane3789Ratha turns out to be bias towards the defence especially when they need clarity from witnesses or objecting the state and witnesses evidence. That's what most people are concerned about.
He must tell us which app was used to make this call or site.
The statement was commissioned on Thursday last week and Stein went to cape and came back this morning 😅 he was being trained the whole weekend
Yep!😂
It is correct that the statement was commissioned last week, and this is so because the statement was requested last week by Adv. Mngomezulu
@@melidarefilwetefu664the statement was available a long time ago baba please follow the court proceedings
I highly doubt that he even went home, he was in jhb the whole time. This morning they were just preparing him to make sure that he remembers everything
😂😂😂
When l anylise this court daily it seems wht ever the defence says is not concided
The defence team doesn't follow the acts and the constitution when they argue with the state, they just talk
The defense is doing a horrible job. The never submit the law or facts. All they do is talk for the sake of talking
True
Too bad 😢
This is bad for the defence becuase no matter what they do to defence becuase the callogs speaks for themselves period
Fight spirit of senzo
That system is inefficient and unreliable . Why does it have to change the number ? why not use it as is from pdf? That already is manipulation and not authentic as Steyn claim. There are human intervention simply because of the change from pdf to excel the info slightly doesnt match . Why not??😮
The whole day was Just for this STATE PROSECUTOR WITNESS JUDGE. what an embarrassment
Steyn's evidence encapsulates everything that Pinky uttered before this honorable court
Someone said if you do not have Microsoft Office on your CV then u will never follow the evidence of PDF to Excel conversation 😂😂😂😂
The state is a serious joke if this is money that we seeing.,.truly I hate it
Cooking a case like this one, is like diging your own grave
Adv Mnisi told them about 6ft underground and they are further digging downwards 😂
This old man 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Where is Afrikaans from Stern's today? He is caught now he knows English?? What a joke in this court.
Steyn always testified in English it was only my Vrou Cronje that testified in Afrikaans
Are really watching the trial because i don’t remember Steyn testify in Afrikaans
History is repeating itself. Mnisi has got a hearing problem. He must admit.Not the first time he could not hear😢😢😢😢
Hogwash
Tomorrow Steyn will be hospitalized 😂
I never heard of blackberry among the phones mentioned. Watsapp call was introduced in 2015 april, is there any technology that could be used to call or make video calls other than those in 2014?
In 2009 not 2015
@@mosesntuli2888 2015 WhatsApp call
However, 2009 was the introduction of WhatsApp in SA
@@mosesntuli2888no it’s 2015 before then it was just for text messages
@mosesntuli2888 whatsapp call was invented in 2015, it is whatsapp that was invented in 2009
@2:47:21 the judge just said keep quiet? 🤔🤔
This judge is corrupt. This phone was actually formatted....information was deleted.
Only logical to call KK and suspect 5 to testify and correct discrepancy?,??😮😮😮
Nope the print outs are there as to how Steyn arrived to that conclusion, the call and tower information are there and collaborates the gig yase Limpopo. Kuphelile engingayaz ukuth uzoboshwa nini umastermind it was an internet call even duration is there .Allegedly
So agree @slamcat 😊
This case is a joke
Everyone wait for cross-examination 😂😂😂😂steyn will be scattered 😅😅😅😅😅he'll go wakka😂😂😂😂
This madala must not lie that the gvt doesn't provide windows when they provide the latest ford rangers and BMWs for the police
@@thusoetsilegaseemelwe8849😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂savage comment
The crook of a judge is happy with the +2 hrs . +2 will place them at the crime at the time Senzo was killed Pinky said that call didn't exist.
@@busisiwekalemba6054 And Ratha the dunderhead believes all this nonsense from Steyn.
@MargarethMokone-jz4hq
However, he said the time on the 205 is the real time. That plan fails dismally by the introduction of the 205 from Vodafone. 😅😅
@@Roblox_wendy73 True that...The state failed dismally,all they are trying to do now is to confuse the defense but all I know is that they aren't stupid as Baloyi and Ratha thinks.
Lol downloads you add 2 hours, but section 205 is real time .Pinky is not an analyst but he is a liason from Vodacom to read section 205 as it is,but King Steyn used section 205 ,phonebook from downloaded phones ,section 205 ,XDS ,crime intelligence data base ,enatis and bank records to to match the phone number appearing on a section 205 to a person using the methods above
@@MargarethMokone-jz4hqthey are not stupid,but it's their jobs to defend their clients.In truth they know and heard a voice recording of Ntanzi illegally recorded by my vrou Cronje confessing ,not the dumping site mambo jambo and assaults .Defence has been caught in lies, they changed their defence 3 times when they are caught in a lie 1.These 5 accused initially said they never met and then King baloyi produced the cellphone data to show they know each other and he was successful 2.They said they were in Kwanongoma.Firstly, Zungu Mr "yebo" showed them on pics together and they changed the story to George Goch 3.Just last week Mshololo was putting it to Pinky that they were at cnr main &nugget waiting for accused 5 to knock off .So accused 3,4 and 5 now drove to katlehong in a mini bus ,but they never met 😂😂.Careful of these liars and now defence ballistic expert just told them already what they know that the killing machine killed Senzo no doubt .Allegedly
Did you see the look on baloyis face when Stein went on to say Kelly was a person of interest
@@seantowanda8702 The alleged 1st call from Ntuli to Kelly Khumalo lasted almost 2min so she must be called to come and testify about their mingling moes.
@MargarethMokone-jz4hq The state have no intention of calling Kelly K to the stand. Too risky.
@@Turtleback8024 And it is not fair because Steyn says the 1st call between her and accused no5 lasted for almost 2minutes.So the state doesn't want to know what was actually being discussed mxxxm.
Can he use the program for us and demonstrate how he gets the data🤦.. I smell a fish and a rotten one
Steyn a re "the name of the suspect is Kelly Khumalo" correction "The person of interest"
At the time, Kelly was a person of interest...now she is a suspect...what I heared
Mr Mnisi Kuya bheda uyayindlisa I team the states is wining because of u
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Bonke mft and sengicabanga nanokut basebenzisana nestate indlela abanza ngayo baweak
Ingathi oyena mntu bhedayo nguwe lo akho state siwinayo apho dunyelwa bubuxoki buka stain obuzombambisa
@@phumzagalada6263 likhona cala oke ulilandele before ngaphandle kwaleli? Mina ngyabona Kut mkhumbi uyaminza manje and ledefence team iweak noma iwadayisa ngamabomu lamajita
@@phumzagalada6263lol sizobona nge verdict Mina ngingabheja labasolwa bazolahlwa icala .I final I Wednesday when they cross examine Mangena, they wasted money on a defence ballistic expert which told them today what we already know that the killing machine killed Senzo ende futh siyaz babathunywe wuban evidence before the court .Allegedly
What is real time compared to what he has is his time fake, conversation for the other day
This layers are lost..I feel sorry for this guys..it's seems they layers don't know how downloading works..
Ratha ke masepa
Sicela uKelly
Please
Sataforika e re bontsha metlholo ka mmê ruri🤯😱🙆🏿♀️
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 google translation metlholo ka motherhood 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@kingphoka-uf5tk hahahahahahaha e tlhapetswe jaka tagwa la di tavern hahahah
Why dont they do a call right there in court and he uses his program to download the call data and see how the two hours are added? This recipe is confusing
No, that will jeopardize the state's case.
@@Turtleback8024 Lol, but I think that will save time
@@AdvDeNovo True. That's why the state is trying to drag the case for as long as they can, with an endless list of witnesses while avoiding Docket 375.
@@AdvDeNovothe defence should ask for that and Rata must agree because he was willing to go for a drive to prove the AVL evidence of the state…. So we must do this is court
WHY WAS SENZO MEYIWA KILLED WE WANT TO KNOW THAT
*WHO* (perpetrator). Then *WHY?* Can't determine the motive without the former.
"Who
Go listen to the "Asine" interview with Robert Marawa and then titles that followed "ngathwala ngaye😮
HOW MUCH DID THEY PROMISE MNISI WEMVULA ABOUT THIS CASE ?
What do you mean?
May you please elaborate?@ Nkosi
What are you talking about???
@@NathiMalaku-j1g ITS BETTER TO SHUT UP IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT I M TALKING ABOUT
Defence and suspects are bemused and confused😢😢😢
Is Styn saying a whatsapp call was used? If he is saying so,,I think a whatsapp call was launched in 2015 in SA if I'm not mistaken
He's saying they use a data call on a blackberry phone😂
@@mandlenkosinkiwane5375 did you hear him saying a whatsapp call as well🤣
Actually he said "on the first call they were using whatsapp call and on the second one they were using bbm,,and Mshololo said there were no whatsapp call in 2014 and he said he meant bbm and later said bbm and whatsapp call are one and the same🤣🤣🤣
If you are able to remove that 0 that means whole of the number is able to remove and put another one
evidence ya leburu lena doesn't assist the same court even the state it's only brought further discrepancies in the proceedings, Baloyi were trying to erase what pinky finds out 😂😂😂😂😂 it is now worse as boertjie talk of kelly khumalo as a suspect and a person of interest 😅😅😅😅😅😅 a very person his trying to protect
Was the judge also doing his law through distance learning, Unisa?
Kanti kwenzekeni ngabuya emnyango icala alisekho
The defense requested that the matter be adjourned at 13h00 because they have a consultation with their ballistic expert..
We do not want to hear the reading of numbers again. Steyn need to explain why his excel has different numbers. I am sure that will never take 5 days to explain as Baloyi stated earlier. Kudlalwa ngathi and Senzo family la. We are really tired of this time wasting.
R we back
Lol so according to steyn kelly used BIS to make the calls, so is he telling us that this guy was using blackberry and knew about BIS, an Nkabi with a blackberry? BIS was only available to blackberry users
Cooking at highest quality
Did I here Steyn say what the fu*ck and ratha loughed and say you mean what to F 🤦this judge 🚮
UJudge Fakazile ukhuluma ngepersal (Excel),why?
In 2014 there was no watsp call i stand to be corrected
You right
Damage control
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😂😂😂😂 icala ngumphikwa
kusobala that is why Mnisi didn't want stany to come
Then? They are not coming back?
Tomorrow
How does the taxi wars fit in now😢
Are they back
This case is a joke y bengaliqedi nje ngoba phela ayikho nje le elokhu ichazwa la kuyadraywa nje ai
What happening are they back in court
Back tomorrow
now whatsup was formed on 2009 and whatsup call was introduce on 2015 thats data call one can make ,now how was that call maqde on 2014 if whatsup call was not there?
Alikho iqili elazikhotha emhlane
So where did the incorrect page come from who printed the wrong page???
That court is a joke serious
Just the two calls were incorrect and the rest was correct…. Ay this evidence
Steyn o leshano no one should add or extract any milliseconds, minutes, hours from the actual time 😂😂😂😂😂😂 once you do that you have change it originality of the course.
Kwenzekani kanti weeeee
Ratha, baloyi and Gininda nizosha niphila
Ngoba I?
@@samkelomaduna6697Kant ubuka liphi icala??
@@SbonisoMjakajaka-gc1cf nkinga mthetho ngathi awuwazi Kahle ledefence team iyawalahla lamajita mft bawafaka ehlathini
Defence lawyers abekho together omunye nomunye uzikhulumela okwakhe yikho kunje
Circulate to everybody not circulate on everybody. I thought Ratha acts as a professor of English especially when he wants to intimidate the defence team .
That stupid judge
Maybe you should go be the judge there and use proper English 😂
@@melidarefilwetefu664 manje uzohamba udefenda umsangano kuwona wonke umuntu ophawulayo?
Do you even have an idea of what you are talking about?? Just sit in that chair and we see how you will go south instead of going forward you just like speaking rubbish nje
@simphiwegumede5527 there is no umsangano here. The state has a strong case against the accused, judge Ratha is a seasoned presiding officer, thorough in everything he does.
Haibo
It seems this coart is loosing dirrection by focusing on phone no every day instate of focusing to person who kill senzo meyiwa
Bit adding 2 hrs dznt explain wy different numbers wer found on the microsoft not on the pdf
There can never be a call that is not recorded on the 205
@@godfreygiliana4119 He will have to answer to the defense team
@godfreygiliana4119 the matter is simple you are either going to believe Vodacom or Styn.
The analysis from the police is not only from the section 205 of service provider, they also have a programmme (ANB) they use that add info . Hence the information is not exactly the same
@@ezaius2011whats app call is not recorded on a section 205 because you use data not airtime. Pinky comfired internet ka kelly was on displaying "blackberry internet Service " .Allegedly
Skomota
😂😂😂
Penguin 😂😂😂😂
Akambi ezweni lonto ingathi ngumntu disabled ngokwe ngqondo 😂
MNISI WEMVULA IS DEVELOPING A BIG MOUTH
What do you mean?
How old is Steyn?
Retired citizen you can guess now😂
Old enough to lie
Confidence
Nothing to say.mxm yere lamazulu
Ay kunzima
Thit is a joke
KUYENZWA IMISUZO KUPHELA E SOUTH AFRICA
Ayikho ke lendaba
Mnisi is gatvol😂😂
No Mnisi is defeated and the only defence is to be hostile towards the judge and the witness uzothukwa ngikutshele .Plus the defence expert has comfirmed what we already know that the killing machine killed Senzo. Allegedly
Baphi
Haybo ingenaphi laptop ?💻😂😂😂
The biggest problem with this case is botsibinki who wants to be judges..Ntanzi lied about his adress and denied knowing the other accused when he applied for bail..
😂😂😂😂😂
Wazini wena jkewaboshwa...do you know how much damage the state has caused us think twice or thrice
Liphina elityala
Ratha say we danda heards😂count me out.
Ai this case
He said what’s app 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Data call
@christinechifunyise688
WhatsApp is a form of data call. Data call is a call using the internet of which WhatsApp uses the internet. WhatsApp calling was only available in March 2015. Steyn needs to specify which was the Data calls that were used
Abasabuyi yini 😢🚮
What happened to the ballistic expert ????
The ballistic experts from the defence and the state will compile a joint report about the findings on the fire arm and ammunition. They should be coming to court after colonel Steyn's evidence
Are defence lawyers in Court to assist the Court to come to a correct judgement or are they there to aid their clients go Scott free from criminality?
They are there to defend against the wrong evidence not to lie. Sonis the prosecutor he doesnt investigate but use information from IO but must first check if merits not mislead court or build evidence as Balozi is doing he was there from the beginning
Nabo
Danda heads? 😮😮I