"I've got some good news... you've been allocated to an NFL team." "That's great!" "You'll be joining the New York Jets." "Well, it was really great to meet you. I'm heading back to Australia."
It’s a bit of a mandatory thing. Each team needs to participate in the foreign program. He’s still a beast though, very athletic and even though he wasn’t great, he wasn’t bad either.
Kevin Arzola Being able time play NFL football professionally after never having played is incredible, even if you suck in comparison to other players. Being able to competently play a sport of that caliber is amazing. I think people underestimate how good professional athletes are.
such an endless debate, i played both. Low level football and high level rugby. They are not really comparable because they are so very different. Football is high impact with the focus on stopping the carrier on the spot. Rugby is a constant grind with tackles and continuous play that are based on completing the tackle or getting the ball to the ground and maintaining possession, giving up a few yards in this process is of little consequence (other than at the try line). Football allows for a shoulder lead hit while Rugby requires an 'attempt to wrap' (your arms around the carrier for those that dont know), this lessens the high impact (although there are ways around it :-)) I would say that football is "harder on the body' in respect to potential injury, those pads and helmets can lead to injuries that Rugby players do not need to worry about, as well as, the reckless force behind the hit since play stops once the carrier is down. But a football player switching to Rugby is going to be in for a big surprise on the endurance required for the never ending (non injury inducing) beating their body will take in a full game where stoppages are really short when they happen , especially if they are in the pack ( sorry backs :-)
Valentine lives for competition, you can't keep a guy like that on the NFL waiting list, Australian Rugby League will welcome him home in 2020 and rightly so. Kudos to Val for his tenacity and humble attitude.
Hmm, wonder if that was his plan. To make it seem like he wanted to go and play in the NFL in order to get offered a better contract in the NRL. It's pretty common for players from all kinds of sports to do stuff like that.
I'm sure some of the bigger guys could make it as forwards if they upped their stamina levels. The biggest barriers would be similar - learning a new game, but also skills like passing, rucking, scrummaging (in union). I actually think the fast guys would have even more trouble adapting, as a back you definitely need to be able to pass well, but also wingers have to know how to kick and position well. I think NFL players would have as much difficulty making a team as people like Wade and Holmes.
I find the process fascinating. It’s a massive gamble leaving their comfort zone of their respective disciplines. I think the AF’s would find the constant moving with rugby an issue, they are so conditioned to playing in a stop start fashion and with different tactics being afforded to specific players. Their heads would be melted with having to do everything in rugby more or less. I would love to see the attempted transition. Positional sense and instinct is more prevalent in rugby, the amount of set plays in AF takes the process out. I’m no AF expert so just going on what I see.
Football requires a lot of skill and it’s really hard to transition into the pros without having played at a young age. Most players don’t make it this far so much respect to him.
I've played rugby for more than 10 years, I love and watch football and I also tried it as well. Rugby is far more dynamic, the play doesn't stop when the carrier is tackled, most of the time you just have to keep on playing, tackling, running, passing and get well-positioned without being able to stop for also 20 minutes straight. Football is more about exlposiveness, you have to do less, but you have to be able to be super intense whenever you get the ball. It's not about size or strenght, just go ahead and tell me why Henry Tuilagi couldn't be a defensive tackle or Ben Tameifuna couldn't be a great linebacker, same works for someone like Derrick Henry, Antonio Brown, Gronkowski or so. They all got the physical power and speed to play, but the games are different. Rugby players have probably more stamina, but they aren't used to avoid tackles coming from every direction, especially high tackles, which are illegal in rugby, plus, they don't have the positioning. Same goes for NFL players: a lot of power, but less stamina, plus, remember, rugby players both play offense and defense. Would a great running back be able to perform a correct tackle on some crazy speed legs guy such as Shane Williams or Brian Habana? There's no such thing as an "easier sport" when you talk about playing it at high levels, especially if you never played it before, and if you have ever been an athlete, you know it.
@@Snipersnake608 I understand rugby rules and its objectively a boring sport to watch. I've played it and it can be fun if your playing, although nowhere as strategic. Its like golf, fun to play but boring to watch other people play.
the pads, the helmets, the breaks every three seconds, the endless interchanges, the oxygen, the steroids, the infinite financial capital. Can you imagine any of these NFL players trying to make an Origin side... Not happening.
@@henryireton11 If I had a dollar for every time I've heard those "arguments", I would have been filthy rich by now. Don't underestimate a sport you know nothing about. - Don't talk about pads and helmets when you have never worn them and have no idea how it feels to be hit in them by someone who's also wearing them. - Don't complain about "the breaks every three seconds" when your country loves cricket which also has breaks every 3 seconds, and hosts the Australian open tennis grand slam where you also have breaks every few seconds. - Don't complain about steroids like half of your pro athletes aren't using them too. The reason why NFL players couldn't make an Origin side (just like NRL players aren't making a Pro Bowl side any time soon) is the lack of necessary skills and not the lack of physical ability. Do you think that the NFL guys are made of paper or something, just because they have helmets on? Are hockey players even softer because they have even more padding? Are you going to ignore the examples of NFL players ending up successfully playing some form of rugby? Or what Jarryd Hayne said when asked about the physicality of the american game? Or the fact that your NRL stars that you consider "freakish athletes" aren't just ploughing through everybody when they put helmets on, but are rather getting tackled down like everyone else by average NFL players? Ignorance is bliss as long as you don't open your mouth and show it.
@@clarxyyyy2623 Yeah lol, they use a different set of rules than rugby league, what morons! It's almost like it's a different sport altogether! What a joke, right?
@@ofanoavidz3601 SJ is too weak. RTS runs too high. The person imo who would have succeeded the most is Duges, but his conditioning would have let him down
@@TheJuice2K10 in his prime i reckon George Burgess could have been moulded into a wicked TE.... Inglis would have made a wicked Linebacker..obvs just my opinion but...
BILL GUNDY big difference between League and Union is Union is much more mixed in body sizes and on average a slower paced game, but at its fastest faster than League
It honestly doesn't matter when speaking to an American audience. Majority of Americans wont know the difference so it's easier to just say Rugby, at least that way viewers will have an idea of what's going on.
As someone from Australia, stuff like this definetely peaks the interests of Australian people into the NFL, especially when its so differant so few australians have made the shift to america like this
@@aryanmjani Jarryd Hayne piqued the interest of NFL in Australia. He was a supreme talent. I knew a few people, myself included, who followed him either watching the games or catching the highlights. When he signed, too much fanfare, the 49'ers became the designated "Aussie" team. He had a strong pre-season and played in a handful of games for one year, coming back to Australia *arguably* a bigger star. Valentine Holmes is another story.
gotta love the rugby vs football debate. outside of the fact that there's a ball and tackling it's almost like we're talking about completely different sports and skillsets
Americans make it almost impossible for overseas athletes to make it in the NFL. The ' playbook ' being the primary problem. Rugby has plays but in second phase it is basically up to the intuition of the player. Gridiron has no second phase.
@@user-op2bh7rc9z not only that, he has to change his running style, the way he makes cuts and spins, hip height on making cuts, needs to work on better footwork too 👍
Brandon Sherwood what a ridiculous comment! He was never going waltz into any team, do you think a NFL player could switch to league and make an NRL team straight away?
Great athletes aren't driven by money. If Val was, he would've stayed in rugby league. In fact, he wouldn't have made it in NRL if he was money-driven. He would've just been playing club footy. But, these guys are next level, they are driven by pushing their boundaries, being the best version of themselves. They fall down, they get up and keep on trying. That I respect.
@Sdtok Yeah, he's going back to Rugby. Guess they weren't that big after all. When will you guys learn that American football is just on another level lol?
@@SocialDissimulation To be fair your country and Canada are like the only 2 countries that play that sport to a high level. Rugby is an international sport but USA doesnt care about international sport so they prefer to play against themselves
@Tim Tom I dont think that at all but that goes both ways, NFL players would struggle to transition too. The USA also has a massive population and a literal man made super race of athletes to help them. Honestly i think the US is underachieving in sport considering the advantages they have. I live in a country of just over 4 million people and we have been the best in the world at a few different global sports
As someone who did both Football and Rugby in HS, I can say that football is more aggressive than rugby because of the types of tackles you're limited to. In rugby, you can't just tackle anybody, you can only do it on person with possession of ball and you can't body slam or suplex the dude. As for getting tackled in both sports, football players tend to have more tackle force than rugby players, the speed at which you are getting tackled may be slower than that of a rugby player but it's the hit that's stronger.
Rugby League used to be unlimited possession like Rugby Union. Reportedly after a trip to America, RFL officials trialled a 4-tackle rule during season 1967/68 in England, followed by Australia in season 1968. The number 4 was subsequently altered to 6. Hence, American Football had a direct influence on Rugby League as we now know it.
I'd like to see how any of these NFL cats would go in rugby league. No breaks to catch your breath, no offensive and defensive team, no armour, no helmets, bigger hits. I'm fairly in shape and I wouldn't be able to play 10 minutes of league without blowing out my ass from exhaustion it's a much much harder game than NFL physically. NFL is way more technical though
Athletes from both sports are incompatibly trained with the other. Rugby League is endurance based, requiring both defense and offense in a free flowing game. Football is short bursts of absolute intense power in rigidly structured plays.
You lose credibility when you get the name of his original sport wrong. He played League not Rugby. Two different sports. He played in the NRL. National Rugby League. League has 13 players on the field and different tackle rules. Rugby has 15 players and different patterns of play.
It's called rugby league. Just because Australia calls it league, not everywhere in the world does. In northern England where rugby league was invented they call it rugby.
I was disappointed in the jerryd Hayne project. I thought hayne would make a great american football player. Homes should translate well into gridiron.
Rugby is very different compared to football. You dont see guys benchpressing 400lbs in rugby(especially league) or guys running 40 yard in 4.4 secs. That's very rare in rugby. In football you see that a lot. There have been several footballers who made it to league. One of them even scored a try. The only player to score a try and a touchdown
Hayne was Lazy Trainer. That was never go down well in NFL. Where everything is a competition, Natural Talent will only take you so far specially in the NFL. The amount of study and film you have to do is incredible compared to Rugby.
@@pizzaki582 Its all down to natural athletic ability. You don't see a lot of athletic freaks in rugby. It's not a requirement. Haynes was by no means a freak athlete for football standards. He wasn't very fast or agile or strong even. Very average. He was never going to make it in football.
Coach Kirksey is correct do the little things & the big things will happen !!! I heard this everyday my Senior year in high school & guess what we had the best season ever !!!
@Kris Auakepopole Calling this guy a "rugby superstar" is like calling a CFL player an "NFL superstar". It's incorrect. This guy plays a smaller and more insiginifcant form of the game.
Just a thought, the guys who play the game called American football have played this game since they were weeee kids...ankle biters as you ozzies say....one doesn't learn this game overnight. Just like I could not learn rugby or NRL overnight. I give him credit for trying...it just takes time.
thats the thing, its not just learning the rules. Its that muscle memory and DNA you build up playign these sports your whole life. Like you start rugby at like 7-14yrs old. By the time the rugby players get to the pros theyve played rugby most of their lives(im assuming NFL players is no different with their mates and at school growing up). On Weekends, lunchtimes at school, after school. You build up this giant muscle memory and awareness for the game itself(and the positions you normally play naturally). To just transition from one to the other with NO backround in the sport from Rugby or from NFL, no muscle memory for the sport your transitioning too or mental awareness for the sport built up all the way form a child to adult. Is probably more than just difficult to transition to the other sport professionally and actually compete at the VERY HIGHEST level as your team mates, is probably nigh on impossible
Football is way more brutal than rugby, only because its all about hitting than making legitimate tackles. Rugby for life, but football is entertaining af
Dream of playing in nfl? Biggest day of his career? He's got SOME athletic abilities! WTF is wrong with this americans!!! He got back in Australia to play a real man sport!
These rugby league players are all giving up too early. Both Holmes and Payne looked promising but both gave up after a year or two of being on the practice squad. Did these guys think they were just going to stroll into a sport they had never played and be starting in their first year??
I've always said that if a couple QB's and speed players learned how to throw a decent rugby pass the option play in the nfl would be 10 times more deadly.
The option works, but you can’t do it too much because the defense will read it. Unlike in rugby you really only have one player to throw it to in the option.
@@lordmegatron4789 Sevens is Rugby Union just played with 7 players on each side of the field. Usually referred to as 7 aside rugby or 7s then you have rugby union referred to as 15 aside Rugby.
@@saiahr5463 I'm talking about short bursts, Rugby is fast throughout the game because there is no breaks. Football has higher speed because there is breaks.
Yeah he's from rugby LEAGUE folks, just mentioning "rugby" is understood anywhere but in Australia as rugby union, which is quite a different sport now.
@@raanray3107i reckon it would give him a lot more open space to work with, where as an RB or WR, he would have defenders on him pretty quickly....at least as a returner he'd have a bit more time to run it back before the defensive line arrives, he has had experience returning kicks in Rugby League, as he is an experienced fullback...ofcourse this is just my 2 cents lol...cheers!🍻
It's not a surprise that he quit. If you're on the practice squad, the chances that you'll ever make the roster are pretty much non-existent. It's cool that he gave the NFL a try though.
It would take someone that already had played at both Professional Rugby in Australia and NFL in America to give an opinion on which one is harder and more dificult and i highly doubt any of you have done it before
Yeah... those are two fundamentally different games. Rugby is not geared, so the needs for different positions are based far less on weight. It's extremely uncommon to see Rugby players at 300+lbs (136+kg), but it's pretty common to see that among certain positions in the NFL. There isn't a need to run 6 kilometers every game, so the players can naturally get bigger and focus on explosiveness rather than endurance. Since the players are bigger and much more explosive than an endurance rugby athlete (these guys have been developing the neuromuscular memory for that explosiveness since they were adolescents), they're going to outperform them in short scrimmages every time.
@@Squashed8Ball I found his style of running interesting in the preseason(when he was still playing lol). But really though, I wanted to see the mindset of a star rugby player on display in the NFL to see if he brought any changes to the way people approached the game. Like how he would read blockers. But it didn't last long enough. I remember it was cool seeing him do cutbacks.
Onlyrealmusic4life His rugby league mind set was possibly a problem for Hayne as a PR. The reason being in rugby league you must attempt to catch “punts” almost every single time (only if the ball is definitely going out of bounds of out the back of the “end zone” before the kicking side can reach it can you afford to not attempt the catch or gather) as the punting side can regather the ball whether the defending side fumbles it or not. Thus under pressure in the NFL his life long habits from rugby may have caused him to try to catch in risky situations where he could have just allowed the ball to do its thing uncontested. If he hadnt made those fumbles I think he would have made a real impact in the longer term. Hayne would have been stronger as a receiver like Holmes where he could get some open field runs going. Running back at a guess seems to require from my limited knowledge of NFL much more experience of defensive line set ups and tactics to be able to instinctively picks lines to run. Open field play where its just basically just man on man is bread and butter rugby league stuff.
@@Squashed8Ball I think they could have given him a few plays at RB. But yeah, all game might have been strenuous. He definitely had some skill returning punts. And he even was able to catch the ball at RB and create a long play where there wasn't one. I liked him. I was sad when he got cut.
The Hayne Plane was more successful. He made the 49ers roster and played games. He also got additional offers the following year, but chose to return to Rugby League.
Sick of all these Aussie players saying it's been a dream to play NFL but has never bothered to learn and play locally! There are a lot of very good GridIron Teams in Australia, they've been there for decades! I knew like Holmes, Hayne wouldn't make it either. They're after the same positions that US players have played since they were 10!
"I've got some good news... you've been allocated to an NFL team."
"That's great!"
"You'll be joining the New York Jets."
"Well, it was really great to meet you. I'm heading back to Australia."
Jaerb4😂😂😂
we love jets in aus
NYC the geatest city in the world i would love to live there even if the team he plays is crap
@@pedrao420 im not joking, crap would be a compliments for the jets
@@australianpatriot rlly? why tho? just out of curiousity
As of an hour ago, he quit the jets practice squad and announced he's returning to rugby league
hes going to the cowboys
@@nexp7583 ye the North Queensland Cowboys not nfl cowboys
@@svarog_ow7658 thats what he meant
Fake News
Good man! American football is a shitshow
I love how this just came out now when he just decided to go back to rugby, lol 😂
He did?😂
@@kodiac7293 Yeah he going back to NRL back home
up the cowboys
@@znvrt7989 Cowboys are nothing without JT get over it
What the...? He hadn't even begun
What a monster. He's back to rugby now, but imagine being able to walk into an NFL team after never having played the sport.
Jordan Mailata philly OL is still trying that
It’s a bit of a mandatory thing. Each team needs to participate in the foreign program.
He’s still a beast though, very athletic and even though he wasn’t great, he wasn’t bad either.
Kevin Arzola Being able time play NFL football professionally after never having played is incredible, even if you suck in comparison to other players. Being able to competently play a sport of that caliber is amazing. I think people underestimate how good professional athletes are.
That just shows how shit the game is, imagine it the other way around, an NFL guy walking into rugby, haha.
True. But he wasn’t good enough to make the actual team just the practice squad
such an endless debate, i played both. Low level football and high level rugby. They are not really comparable because they are so very different. Football is high impact with the focus on stopping the carrier on the spot. Rugby is a constant grind with tackles and continuous play that are based on completing the tackle or getting the ball to the ground and maintaining possession, giving up a few yards in this process is of little consequence (other than at the try line). Football allows for a shoulder lead hit while Rugby requires an 'attempt to wrap' (your arms around the carrier for those that dont know), this lessens the high impact (although there are ways around it :-)) I would say that football is "harder on the body' in respect to potential injury, those pads and helmets can lead to injuries that Rugby players do not need to worry about, as well as, the reckless force behind the hit since play stops once the carrier is down. But a football player switching to Rugby is going to be in for a big surprise on the endurance required for the never ending (non injury inducing) beating their body will take in a full game where stoppages are really short when they happen , especially if they are in the pack ( sorry backs :-)
which is harder to play
@@secretintelligenceservice8902 I would say football because of the physicality and the huge mental aspect
@@drpepper7460 Rugby is harder coz no protection
@@gussymane6672 I played both a few years back. Rugby is more fun but football is harder.
Valentine lives for competition, you can't keep a guy like that on the NFL waiting list, Australian Rugby League will welcome him home in 2020 and rightly so. Kudos to Val for his tenacity and humble attitude.
He made the cut. That was the challenge.
He came back couldn't hack it
And today it comes out that he has most likely signed a multi million dollar contract back in the NRL in Australia..
Hmm, wonder if that was his plan. To make it seem like he wanted to go and play in the NFL in order to get offered a better contract in the NRL. It's pretty common for players from all kinds of sports to do stuff like that.
In the NRL the highest payed player is only 1.3 million dollars they don’t get payed a lot compared to other sports
A million is a like the max in NRL
Would be interesting to see an American footballer making a transition to rugby/rugby league 😬
wayne6942 their bodies would crumble...... and I'm an American saying that.
I'm sure some of the bigger guys could make it as forwards if they upped their stamina levels. The biggest barriers would be similar - learning a new game, but also skills like passing, rucking, scrummaging (in union). I actually think the fast guys would have even more trouble adapting, as a back you definitely need to be able to pass well, but also wingers have to know how to kick and position well. I think NFL players would have as much difficulty making a team as people like Wade and Holmes.
I find the process fascinating. It’s a massive gamble leaving their comfort zone of their respective disciplines. I think the AF’s would find the constant moving with rugby an issue, they are so conditioned to playing in a stop start fashion and with different tactics being afforded to specific players. Their heads would be melted with having to do everything in rugby more or less. I would love to see the attempted transition. Positional sense and instinct is more prevalent in rugby, the amount of set plays in AF takes the process out. I’m no AF expert so just going on what I see.
A player from the jets played for Saracens and did pretty well
@@MrBrosnan123 who was that ?
Football requires a lot of skill and it’s really hard to transition into the pros without having played at a young age. Most players don’t make it this far so much respect to him.
I've played rugby for more than 10 years, I love and watch football and I also tried it as well. Rugby is far more dynamic, the play doesn't stop when the carrier is tackled, most of the time you just have to keep on playing, tackling, running, passing and get well-positioned without being able to stop for also 20 minutes straight. Football is more about exlposiveness, you have to do less, but you have to be able to be super intense whenever you get the ball. It's not about size or strenght, just go ahead and tell me why Henry Tuilagi couldn't be a defensive tackle or Ben Tameifuna couldn't be a great linebacker, same works for someone like Derrick Henry, Antonio Brown, Gronkowski or so. They all got the physical power and speed to play, but the games are different. Rugby players have probably more stamina, but they aren't used to avoid tackles coming from every direction, especially high tackles, which are illegal in rugby, plus, they don't have the positioning. Same goes for NFL players: a lot of power, but less stamina, plus, remember, rugby players both play offense and defense. Would a great running back be able to perform a correct tackle on some crazy speed legs guy such as Shane Williams or Brian Habana? There's no such thing as an "easier sport" when you talk about playing it at high levels, especially if you never played it before, and if you have ever been an athlete, you know it.
very well said and very true!
Yes, they would be able to get Shane Williams and Habana. NFL players are faster overall. But yes, I agree they are different.
Rugby is boring as hell. All run plays, so exciting....
@@bigbake132 This is exactly what people who don’t know and don’t understand rugby rules say. Still, you watch what you watch, totally free to ☺️
@@Snipersnake608 I understand rugby rules and its objectively a boring sport to watch. I've played it and it can be fun if your playing, although nowhere as strategic. Its like golf, fun to play but boring to watch other people play.
He’s joining the Jets and now his career is over before it even began
He’s a rugby league player not a union guy!!!!!
I’m Union
@@nathanstansfield3946 hi union 🤗
Yes he said rugby so what's your prob, gnob?
Bloody America’s
What's the differences? I've been wondering for a while.
"the only big difference is the size of the ball"
yeah for sure man
the pads, the helmets, the breaks every three seconds, the endless interchanges, the oxygen, the steroids, the infinite financial capital. Can you imagine any of these NFL players trying to make an Origin side... Not happening.
And you can throw forward passes and shepherd people lol what a flop 😂😂
@@henryireton11 If I had a dollar for every time I've heard those "arguments", I would have been filthy rich by now. Don't underestimate a sport you know nothing about.
- Don't talk about pads and helmets when you have never worn them and have no idea how it feels to be hit in them by someone who's also wearing them.
- Don't complain about "the breaks every three seconds" when your country loves cricket which also has breaks every 3 seconds, and hosts the Australian open tennis grand slam where you also have breaks every few seconds.
- Don't complain about steroids like half of your pro athletes aren't using them too.
The reason why NFL players couldn't make an Origin side (just like NRL players aren't making a Pro Bowl side any time soon) is the lack of necessary skills and not the lack of physical ability. Do you think that the NFL guys are made of paper or something, just because they have helmets on? Are hockey players even softer because they have even more padding? Are you going to ignore the examples of NFL players ending up successfully playing some form of rugby? Or what Jarryd Hayne said when asked about the physicality of the american game? Or the fact that your NRL stars that you consider "freakish athletes" aren't just ploughing through everybody when they put helmets on, but are rather getting tackled down like everyone else by average NFL players?
Ignorance is bliss as long as you don't open your mouth and show it.
@@clarxyyyy2623 Yeah lol, they use a different set of rules than rugby league, what morons! It's almost like it's a different sport altogether! What a joke, right?
nexxogen there absolute wankers if they believe that 😂
I've always thought Roger Tuivasa-Sheck would have a great shot at making it in the NFL.
He will kill any running position no doubt
Nahh not Roger Shuan had a wayyy better chance in my opinion
@@ofanoavidz3601 SJ is too weak. RTS runs too high. The person imo who would have succeeded the most is Duges, but his conditioning would have let him down
@@TheJuice2K10 yea that's true but yea young Shaun could be had a way better chance in my opinion
@@TheJuice2K10 in his prime i reckon George Burgess could have been moulded into a wicked TE.... Inglis would have made a wicked Linebacker..obvs just my opinion but...
Val scored a little bit more then multiple try’s
There’s nothing more than multiple
It's good that he tries, but he should actually score if he wants to be in the NFL
@@CaesarCassius LOL TRIES IS THE WORD FOR POINTS IN RUGBY
@@kn3186 I can hear the joke flying over your heads from here.
with ur logic seth you might as well say that if my grandma had wheels she would be a bike.......
The fact he was able to practice with a professional team of a sport he just started playing. Absolute monster
You Americans need to realise that there’s a difference between rugby league and rugby. Valentine Holmes play league, not rugby.
We get it, we get it. Union is real rugby, League is crap rugby. We get it.
What are some big differences
@@gblan I never said league is crap I'm a big fan of it.
BILL GUNDY big difference between League and Union is Union is much more mixed in body sizes and on average a slower paced game, but at its fastest faster than League
It honestly doesn't matter when speaking to an American audience. Majority of Americans wont know the difference so it's easier to just say Rugby, at least that way viewers will have an idea of what's going on.
I'm excited for all these people from different countries
Learn the game!! Don’t rush it
He's on the practice squad, so yeah that's the plan
jozzas he’s quit back in Australia now
He looks like a mix of Ben Simmons and Marcus Mariota
Brilliant strategy by the NFL to increase viewer/fan count. You know there are Aussies dialing into JETS games.
UnderseaCaveman no one in following this in Australia
As someone from Australia, stuff like this definetely peaks the interests of Australian people into the NFL, especially when its so differant so few australians have made the shift to america like this
@@aryanmjani Jarryd Hayne piqued the interest of NFL in Australia. He was a supreme talent. I knew a few people, myself included, who followed him either watching the games or catching the highlights. When he signed, too much fanfare, the 49'ers became the designated "Aussie" team. He had a strong pre-season and played in a handful of games for one year, coming back to Australia *arguably* a bigger star. Valentine Holmes is another story.
lol shut the fuck up! wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/valentine-holmes-north-queensland-cowboys-nrl-return/01715dcb-e514-4869-b40a-b457f044cd76
@@MattS242 I'm a jets fan from Australia soo...
gotta love the rugby vs football debate. outside of the fact that there's a ball and tackling it's almost like we're talking about completely different sports and skillsets
Rugby league and rugby are not the same thing.
@@TheWatchernator rugby league and rugby union are two different types of the game and they are different
@@georgecostanza1617 these pretzels are making me thirsty
You mean rugby league and rugby union are not the same thing. BOTH are rugby.
Oh really, u absolute clown 😂
@@henryireton11 They're both rugby but different rules
Americans make it almost impossible for overseas athletes to make it in the NFL. The ' playbook ' being the primary problem.
Rugby has plays but in second phase it is basically up to the intuition of the player. Gridiron has no second phase.
this aged well
10:17 Cue the stereotypical overly optimistic Jets fan
Only difference is the size of the ball 😂... And the fact that you don't get a break every 10 seconds in rugby
He's clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed either, he's still got the tag/hook on the top of his hat from when he bought it.
next step is to have a an exhibition team of international players that play against nfl teams in the preseason.
Fuck yea bro
Great idea 💡
Zedic Black what expanding your game outside of your country ? Hmm ok...
Insurance and general managers would never allow that.
Zedic Black scared you’ll lose in your own game
i love how he still had the protective plastic on the front of the speedflex
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'M SOO DEAD THE DUDE GETS SIGNED BY THE JETS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS EXPECTING BUT THE JETS BRO HAHAHAHAHAHA!
This is a good video man. So exciting to watch his journey. Shame he didn't stay. Although, I understand.
Currently on Jets Practice Squad
Strange how someone can leave the top of one sport and be happy to go to waste in another
Brandon Sherwood gotta work his way up, this isn’t a movie or video game. The guy has to learn an entire new game lol
Not strange at all. He fulfilled one goal and so is looking for another
@@user-op2bh7rc9z not only that, he has to change his running style, the way he makes cuts and spins, hip height on making cuts, needs to work on better footwork too 👍
Brandon Sherwood what a ridiculous comment! He was never going waltz into any team, do you think a NFL player could switch to league and make an NRL team straight away?
Great athletes aren't driven by money. If Val was, he would've stayed in rugby league. In fact, he wouldn't have made it in NRL if he was money-driven. He would've just been playing club footy. But, these guys are next level, they are driven by pushing their boundaries, being the best version of themselves. They fall down, they get up and keep on trying. That I respect.
'the only big difference is the size of the ball'
@Sdtok Yeah, he's going back to Rugby. Guess they weren't that big after all. When will you guys learn that American football is just on another level lol?
@@SocialDissimulation To be fair your country and Canada are like the only 2 countries that play that sport to a high level. Rugby is an international sport but USA doesnt care about international sport so they prefer to play against themselves
@Tim Tom I dont think that at all but that goes both ways, NFL players would struggle to transition too. The USA also has a massive population and a literal man made super race of athletes to help them. Honestly i think the US is underachieving in sport considering the advantages they have. I live in a country of just over 4 million people and we have been the best in the world at a few different global sports
Aidan Loveridge no hardly anyone plays rugby
Aidan Loveridge only australia
Keep pushing brother make your people proud
As someone who did both Football and Rugby in HS, I can say that football is more aggressive than rugby because of the types of tackles you're limited to. In rugby, you can't just tackle anybody, you can only do it on person with possession of ball and you can't body slam or suplex the dude. As for getting tackled in both sports, football players tend to have more tackle force than rugby players, the speed at which you are getting tackled may be slower than that of a rugby player but it's the hit that's stronger.
AFL in the other hand😂
Rugby League used to be unlimited possession like Rugby Union. Reportedly after a trip to America, RFL officials trialled a 4-tackle rule during season 1967/68 in England, followed by Australia in season 1968. The number 4 was subsequently altered to 6. Hence, American Football had a direct influence on Rugby League as we now know it.
Val Holmes a good league player, not too sure about super star status though. Has a good chance of making it ....
Rob Harris he only scored 6 tries in a game for Australia...
Rob Harris the man scored 6 tries in one game was able to play for club, state and country and he carried his team to a trophy
@@doublet_yt8932 Really I did`nt know???? Guys like Latrell Mitchell & Billy Slater now they a super players
@@ethanschmidt9038 Really I did`nt know????
Rob Harris no he doesn’t. He quit
This just shows that NFL athletes are the best in the world. Your "superstars" are like our back up players
Blah blah blah.
Theyd be gassed out in 5 minutes in a 1st grade game.
@@sugarnads Am I supposed to laugh at that?
I'd like to see how any of these NFL cats would go in rugby league. No breaks to catch your breath, no offensive and defensive team, no armour, no helmets, bigger hits. I'm fairly in shape and I wouldn't be able to play 10 minutes of league without blowing out my ass from exhaustion it's a much much harder game than NFL physically. NFL is way more technical though
"Jim Bob Cooter" definitely top 5 coolest names of all time
HAhahahahahaah
Athletes from both sports are incompatibly trained with the other. Rugby League is endurance based, requiring both defense and offense in a free flowing game. Football is short bursts of absolute intense power in rigidly structured plays.
You lose credibility when you get the name of his original sport wrong. He played League not Rugby. Two different sports. He played in the NRL. National Rugby League. League has 13 players on the field and different tackle rules. Rugby has 15 players and different patterns of play.
They should already know that especially after the last league player attempted a journey to gridiron.
It's called rugby league. Just because Australia calls it league, not everywhere in the world does. In northern England where rugby league was invented they call it rugby.
I commend you but it's a futile effort, *_"Muricans"_* by and large will likely never know or even care to know the difference.
the Greatjon. Most of them think AFL is rugby
Semantics
I like how the sharks (his old team in Australia) is right around the Conner
From my house
I was disappointed in the jerryd Hayne project. I thought hayne would make a great american football player. Homes should translate well into gridiron.
Rugby is very different compared to football. You dont see guys benchpressing 400lbs in rugby(especially league) or guys running 40 yard in 4.4 secs. That's very rare in rugby. In football you see that a lot. There have been several footballers who made it to league. One of them even scored a try. The only player to score a try and a touchdown
Hayne was Lazy Trainer. That was never go down well in NFL. Where everything is a competition, Natural Talent will only take you so far specially in the NFL. The amount of study and film you have to do is incredible compared to Rugby.
@@pizzaki582 Its all down to natural athletic ability. You don't see a lot of athletic freaks in rugby. It's not a requirement. Haynes was by no means a freak athlete for football standards. He wasn't very fast or agile or strong even. Very average. He was never going to make it in football.
Hayne played 7 games didn't he? And that's off natural ability. He was always lazy and was never going to make NFL based off his lazy training
aaaayyyyyy Townsville, lived there for 20 years, was great
so he's Cook Island and Maori.. man thats pretty cool
He's Australian.
Coach Kirksey is correct do the little things & the big things will happen !!! I heard this everyday my Senior year in high school & guess what we had the best season ever !!!
It's rugby LEAGUE. just rugby. Two different sports.
THIS
@Kris Auakepopole well we do. Might as well compare Nfl to touch football.
@@marktravers5759 League > Union
@Kris Auakepopole Calling this guy a "rugby superstar" is like calling a CFL player an "NFL superstar". It's incorrect. This guy plays a smaller and more insiginifcant form of the game.
This was all a big PR move for Holmes and for the NFL to expand into Australia. We all knew he was gonna go back home.
Just a thought, the guys who play the game called American football have played this game since they were weeee kids...ankle biters as you ozzies say....one doesn't learn this game overnight. Just like I could not learn rugby or NRL overnight. I give him credit for trying...it just takes time.
Very true also i wanna see an nfl player try out for an rugby team idk witch one is the pro league tho
Love it finally NFL is looking abroad for players. First Brazilian, now Australian.
Why doesn't he tries it in the XFL?
Runs into an Aussie running the bar ...... Southern hemisphere proud 😎😎😎
A lot of American NFL players would never make it in rugby, too fast and physical unlike in gridiron which takes 4 hours to play a 60 minute game!
thats the thing, its not just learning the rules. Its that muscle memory and DNA you build up playign these sports your whole life. Like you start rugby at like 7-14yrs old. By the time the rugby players get to the pros theyve played rugby most of their lives(im assuming NFL players is no different with their mates and at school growing up). On Weekends, lunchtimes at school, after school. You build up this giant muscle memory and awareness for the game itself(and the positions you normally play naturally). To just transition from one to the other with NO backround in the sport from Rugby or from NFL, no muscle memory for the sport your transitioning too or mental awareness for the sport built up all the way form a child to adult. Is probably more than just difficult to transition to the other sport professionally and actually compete at the VERY HIGHEST level as your team mates, is probably nigh on impossible
good on him, why sit on a practice squad when he can earn over a million dollars a season in Rugy League back in Australia
Because he wants to try new thingd?
Football is way more brutal than rugby, only because its all about hitting than making legitimate tackles. Rugby for life, but football is entertaining af
Can’t wait till he goes to the patriots lol more Super Bowls
Omg I literally can't wait for the QF of the Rugby World Cup this weekend.
Different game mate. That's rugby union, Holmes played rugby league.
haha wrong sport lad
Rugby Union is a different game than Rugby League which is the what Holmes played before NFL
@@fraserlackfan9383 same sport different rules
ProSwirly they are different sports...
"The city of townville"
His background is Rugby League not Rugby
Have you heard of Mitch Wishnowsky, who was on TV v. Cleveland on Monday Nigh Football October 7th (and will again at Arizona on Halloween night)?
Dream of playing in nfl? Biggest day of his career? He's got SOME athletic abilities! WTF is wrong with this americans!!! He got back in Australia to play a real man sport!
These rugby league players are all giving up too early. Both Holmes and Payne looked promising but both gave up after a year or two of being on the practice squad. Did these guys think they were just going to stroll into a sport they had never played and be starting in their first year??
I've always said that if a couple QB's and speed players learned how to throw a decent rugby pass the option play in the nfl would be 10 times more deadly.
The option works, but you can’t do it too much because the defense will read it. Unlike in rugby you really only have one player to throw it to in the option.
Now let's see a football star go play in a rugby league.
Nate Ebner
Clementine Washburn Correct
Why would they? Get paid less, smaller fan base, less talent
Let's see a rugby player make an NFL starting roster in a power position.
That’s be easy
My guy just did it for the stash 😂 Respect.
He’s not a star rugby player he is a star rugby league player. There’s a difference
Most Americans don't know about Rugby League compared to Rugby Union.
I'm always thrilled to see a rugby guy come over to the nfl
Lord Megatron Rugby League*, two different sports
Rugby League guy* Rugby Union is different we usually refer to the two as Rugby (Rugby union) and League (Rugby League) now you know the difference.
which am i watching if I'm watching sevens?
@@lordmegatron4789 Sevens is Rugby Union just played with 7 players on each side of the field. Usually referred to as 7 aside rugby or 7s then you have rugby union referred to as 15 aside Rugby.
@@taraishot100 oh right on thank you for explaining the distinction
here before "Rugby Player React..."
That's awesome. Bravo!
Yall count every time he said ya know
So glad he came back to nrl though
Its going to be 10 times harder to get into the NFL now that everyone in the world can play.
Not really. Americans dominate and always will in this sport.
Rugby is like running a marathon, Football is like running the 40 yd dash . . . 50 times.
Rugby is so much funnier to play than football tho, the real motivation is money
Facts......otherwise I can't see why players like him wanted to make the move.
Plus he was playing rugby league in that division they make less money rugby union they make alot more.
This would make a great Netflix series.
He was good but he wasn't the best In League there are other superstars more credible than him here in Australia
Football is just a way faster paced game. Love rugby, but they're just built differently.
no way. Rugby league is a way way way faster paced game
@@saiahr5463 I'm talking about short bursts, Rugby is fast throughout the game because there is no breaks. Football has higher speed because there is breaks.
@@justinfleagle rugby is still better nfl players would crumble over here
@@sheluvsmax3606 Has there been an NFL player turn Rugby?
@@justinfleagle probably but they stay ovr there because of the more money
I knew it. He’s quitting now.
ngl the change of pace from rugby to football is huge, like im sure @9:30 he wasnt used to being hit like that
The hits in rugby and rugby league are way bigger than in gridiron and they don't wear any protective equipment or helmets
7:08 How men eat ice cream
Yeah he's from rugby LEAGUE folks, just mentioning "rugby" is understood anywhere but in Australia as rugby union, which is quite a different sport now.
Could he be better as a punt returner?
@Cuzzy Bro yeah because a punt returner is a lot easier to learn the playbook
@@raanray3107i reckon it would give him a lot more open space to work with, where as an RB or WR, he would have defenders on him pretty quickly....at least as a returner he'd have a bit more time to run it back before the defensive line arrives, he has had experience returning kicks in Rugby League, as he is an experienced fullback...ofcourse this is just my 2 cents lol...cheers!🍻
I want to go to the NFL it just looks so exciting 🏈🏆🎖
League and Rugby is way different. He played league not rugby...
It's not a surprise that he quit. If you're on the practice squad, the chances that you'll ever make the roster are pretty much non-existent. It's cool that he gave the NFL a try though.
Dont forget what they said about Brady, this kid has a chance.
Oscar Hollywood ha ha
you've got Jakob as well
It would take someone that already had played at both Professional Rugby in Australia and NFL in America to give an opinion on which one is harder and more dificult and i highly doubt any of you have done it before
How come everyone he talks to is Australian? 😂
Yeah... those are two fundamentally different games. Rugby is not geared, so the needs for different positions are based far less on weight. It's extremely uncommon to see Rugby players at 300+lbs (136+kg), but it's pretty common to see that among certain positions in the NFL. There isn't a need to run 6 kilometers every game, so the players can naturally get bigger and focus on explosiveness rather than endurance. Since the players are bigger and much more explosive than an endurance rugby athlete (these guys have been developing the neuromuscular memory for that explosiveness since they were adolescents), they're going to outperform them in short scrimmages every time.
What happened to nfl network
Quinn Murphy fax
ladygirlkoreahd.link/CMla2ZIz7f
Now we need NFL games in Australia
When that dude tried to play for the 49ers, he actually had pretty good field vision. I think he ended up getting cut though.
Yup, he dropped/fumbled punt returns too many times taking unnecessary risks trying to impress.
@@Squashed8Ball I found his style of running interesting in the preseason(when he was still playing lol). But really though, I wanted to see the mindset of a star rugby player on display in the NFL to see if he brought any changes to the way people approached the game. Like how he would read blockers. But it didn't last long enough. I remember it was cool seeing him do cutbacks.
Jared Hayne. He's more about speed and step, other NRL players have more rounded skills that would better suit a transition to NFL.
Onlyrealmusic4life His rugby league mind set was possibly a problem for Hayne as a PR. The reason being in rugby league you must attempt to catch “punts” almost every single time (only if the ball is definitely going out of bounds of out the back of the “end zone” before the kicking side can reach it can you afford to not attempt the catch or gather) as the punting side can regather the ball whether the defending side fumbles it or not. Thus under pressure in the NFL his life long habits from rugby may have caused him to try to catch in risky situations where he could have just allowed the ball to do its thing uncontested.
If he hadnt made those fumbles I think he would have made a real impact in the longer term.
Hayne would have been stronger as a receiver like Holmes where he could get some open field runs going.
Running back at a guess seems to require from my limited knowledge of NFL much more experience of defensive line set ups and tactics to be able to instinctively picks lines to run.
Open field play where its just basically just man on man is bread and butter rugby league stuff.
@@Squashed8Ball I think they could have given him a few plays at RB. But yeah, all game might have been strenuous. He definitely had some skill returning punts. And he even was able to catch the ball at RB and create a long play where there wasn't one. I liked him. I was sad when he got cut.
The Hayne Plane was more successful. He made the 49ers roster and played games. He also got additional offers the following year, but chose to return to Rugby League.
he played preseason games and then got dropped for making to many mistakes as the regular season was about to start
I miss Jarryd Hayne :/
No you don't if you knew what hes been up to , same shit as AB
You will be playing next season !!!
Same here. The dude could've been something special...
Sick of all these Aussie players saying it's been a dream to play NFL but has never bothered to learn and play locally! There are a lot of very good GridIron Teams in Australia, they've been there for decades! I knew like Holmes, Hayne wouldn't make it either. They're after the same positions that US players have played since they were 10!
Jordan Mailata learnt American Football in just four years and is now one of the best Left tackles in the game with a $100M contract 🥶🥶🥶
aussie rep keep going strong
And now he’ll be playing for the North Queensland Cowboys in 2020
Bruh he really wasn’t one of the best players in League tbh didn’t even get Dally M soooooooo
"Willing to risk it all".. Quits when he gets put in the practice squad lol