Never thought i'd like modern (ish) tonality poetry, or listen to it. Webern was obviously a genius before his time, it was a real education, gratefully received. enjoyably heard.
It's amazing that this piece is 111 years old and still challenging for many audiences today, of that I have little doubt. What does that say of Webern's creative gifts, and of the basic conservatism of public taste?
It is not a matter of 'taste'. It is a matter of the 'difficulty' of understanding this music. Even in 21st century we hear Georg Friedrich Haas, Unsuk Chin, or Ades, and still the 2nd viennese school is the most difficult music to understand because their music requires to feel the 'vague tonality' in it.
When I lived in Boston, some friends and I used to attend BSO concerts regularly and noticed the more "modern" a piece was or would sound, the more people would cough. It comes from discomfort with hearing unfamiliar and challenging music. Psychological.
@@jochanaan58 This is the 1928 version reduced compared to the original. The orchestra is lighter and it harms expression, especially in the 4th piece.
Listening more often always helps. Personally I would say there are two general routes to appreciation of this kind of music: The first would be listening to high quality audio recordings with good headphones and eyes closed, just letting the intricate combinations of timbres ("sound colours") do their magic. The second would be through analysis, contextualisation and further reading - i.e. getting an idea of what was happening in the musical world at the time and how it interacted with the compositions of the Viennese school.
You could also make your way through similar and related aesthetics to make some kind of stairway to atonal music. Do you enjoy listening to Schoenberg's Verklärte Nacht ?
Rattle doesn't seem to understand this music, or its roots. Yes, he plays it rather fast but I feel that it is because he is skating on the surface of it.
Manche gehen wohl ins Konzert, um sich mal wieder richtig auszuhusten? Warum bleiben die nicht einfach zuhause und kurieren sich aus. Da gibt es doch bestimmt etwas von Ratiopharm! Schade um die Musik und die Musiker!
There are other types of activities to which the inmates of a sanatorium for tuberculosis patients could be taken, for their entertainment. They can take them to the zoo, to election campaign rallies, to haute couture shows... a lot of possible better alternatives than participating in the percussion section of concerts with their coughs.
The Master.....nothing more can be said.
Love these early opus numbers of Webern. Such poetry. The fourth movement is especially stunning.
I like the coughing, it reminds me that after more than a 100 years this music still rings true and far from home
It also makes you think about how much the world has changed in just a few years. Coughing means so much more now.
@Kayden Ishaan What the fuck is wrong with you?
Wow. Great story of sounds and colors you told us!
thank you for posting this
Never thought i'd like modern (ish) tonality poetry, or listen to it. Webern was obviously a genius before his time, it was a real education, gratefully received. enjoyably heard.
It's amazing that this piece is 111 years old and still challenging for many audiences today, of that I have little doubt. What does that say of Webern's creative gifts, and of the basic conservatism of public taste?
It is not a matter of 'taste'. It is a matter of the 'difficulty' of understanding this music. Even in 21st century we hear Georg Friedrich Haas, Unsuk Chin, or Ades, and still the 2nd viennese school is the most difficult music to understand because their music requires to feel the 'vague tonality' in it.
He will always be ahead of his time from an aesthetic standpoint. As is all surrealism.😮
It says that this type of music was just a fad at the time, and the world has moved on. Serialism was an artistic dead-end.
Love the performance. Thank you for doing this.
An urgent rendition. However, really touching and so beautiful.
great music! Webern
so good...
Both this and Passacaglia Op.1 are composed out of Webern's mourning over his mother's death.
wunderbar - diese Farben
Антон Веберн, безусловно лучший нововенский классик!
Хм. А как же Берг и Шёнберг?
Веберн и Шостакович!
Good God, what noisy audience. Where are we? In a TB sanatorium?
When I lived in Boston, some friends and I used to attend BSO concerts regularly and noticed the more "modern" a piece was or would sound, the more people would cough. It comes from discomfort with hearing unfamiliar and challenging music. Psychological.
Also, it sounds like the dynamics are compressed by bringing up the soft parts (lots of those in Webern!).
It looks like the Barbican in London?
@@jochanaan58 This is the 1928 version reduced compared to the original. The orchestra is lighter and it harms expression, especially in the 4th piece.
@@mwhite6522 I think Your right ! Nevertheless it is really disturbing
3:58
Pourquoi yen a toujours un ou une qui a sa quinte de toux pendant les moments calmes ?
parce que cela dérange moins de notes que pendant un tutti fortissimo, voyons...
You know if birds sounded like this type of music?........... I'd be scared!😲
They do. See The Birds
Good performance. The faster than usual tempo reveals new things about the music.
Pourquoi jouer toujours la version de 1928 ?
Peut-être trop cher. J’adore la version de 1920.
1909 4 4 5 2 - 6 6 6 1 - perc(8), hp(2), cel, str
1920 1 1 1 0 - 0 0 0 0 - perc, harm, pno, str
1928 2 2 3 2 - 4 4 4 1 - timp, perc(5), hp, cel, str
I can get no access to this music. Must i listen more often?
Listening more often always helps. Personally I would say there are two general routes to appreciation of this kind of music: The first would be listening to high quality audio recordings with good headphones and eyes closed, just letting the intricate combinations of timbres ("sound colours") do their magic. The second would be through analysis, contextualisation and further reading - i.e. getting an idea of what was happening in the musical world at the time and how it interacted with the compositions of the Viennese school.
Listen to it until you can walk down the street and whistle it. Then it will speak to you, perhaps more profoundly than you ever expected.
Yes.
@@hotlaser Que c'est intelligemment, gentiment et joliment dit.. merci à vous
You could also make your way through similar and related aesthetics to make some kind of stairway to atonal music.
Do you enjoy listening to Schoenberg's Verklärte Nacht ?
3:58 8:28
Público mal educado; Se oyen más toses que música.
One of the most cathartic pieces I know.
The coughing is too dissonant for me.
La musica ai concerti è fatta di suono, silenzio e colpi di tosse.
135€ pour tous ceux qui toussent bruyamment >:(
Rattle doesn't seem to understand this music, or its roots.
Yes, he plays it rather fast but I feel that it is because he is skating on the surface of it.
So many superiors commenting here. Truly members of a master race. Just like the composer. Oh, no smoking allowed.
10:18 low alert
Stop coughing
I had to stop listening. Some ghastly people in the audience wanted to be heard more than Webern
Probably Orcs. Not all are so blessed as to enjoy your godlike perfection.
Manche gehen wohl ins Konzert, um sich mal wieder richtig auszuhusten? Warum bleiben die nicht einfach zuhause und kurieren sich aus. Da gibt es doch bestimmt etwas von Ratiopharm! Schade um die Musik und die Musiker!
I love this work, but this recording is a concerto for cougher and orchestra.
There are other types of activities to which the inmates of a sanatorium for tuberculosis patients could be taken, for their entertainment. They can take them to the zoo, to election campaign rallies, to haute couture shows... a lot of possible better alternatives than participating in the percussion section of concerts with their coughs.
Ha ha! Love this! 😂
переслушиваю, потому что не понимаю. как и Прокофьева и Стравинского, и Баха!
А кого вы понимаете? Вопрошаю с уважением.
Such a pity , ironic. Great music, crappy live cougher, suddenly he has become part of the story, what a wit but there he lies.
Seems somewhat rushed to me.
Such poetic music! Such a bad audience!
Немного жутко ...
Это вызывает жуткое чувство.
Hate the coffing. Unfathomable. (I get the spelling). So average.
ojalá tosieran más para que no se escuche esta basura
Disculpe usted, oyente del siglo XIX.
WE, tan enojado iba a estar.