Good stuff. I was just needing to replace my APC 17 mystery battery and pealed back the silver label to see it’s a WP1234 8ah Model from Kung Long Batteries of Vietnam. So what APC slaps their sticker on varies clearly. The knowledge that one can remove the label to see the important stats is great knowledge.
Very glad this helped with your APC battery replacement. That's very interesting re: the Kung Long Batteries. Do you happen to know how old the battery is? I'm wondering if APC always used two different sources or if they recently switched to one. They are definitely currently sourcing from CSB, I know that. Either way that is helpful info that you have provided as now others know there are two alternatives if they choose to go that route when replacing their original APC. Thank you for sharing and for the positive feedback as well.
Been meaning to repurpose 2 old UPS units I have laying around. Thanks for this. It seems CSB and Yuasa batteries are the better choices from what I have read.
I'm not familiar with Yuasa batteries, but certainly CSB batteries are good enough for APC to use in their UPS units (including the expensive SMART UPS like the SMT1500), etc. In fact, CSB batteries are so good APC uses them too ;-) Glad this helped, and thanks for the positive feedback. Good luck with your projects.
I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with Lifepo batteries. What are they out of curiosity? Are they superior to the CSB brand battery replacement for the RBC17?
ABSOLUTELY DO NOT replace a lithium battery on a lead acid charging circuit. LiFePo's may be one of the "safest" lithium rechargeables but they can still catch fire when stressed far enough. Sealed Lead Acid batteries have no problem depleting to a lower voltage than lithium batteries and SLA's can also handle trickle charging while lithium batteries prefer not to always stay at 100% charge.
My apc back-ups 700 apparently came with the generic (right one, made in vietnam) battery. I only noticed this 4.5yrs after purchase because that is how long the generic lasted.
It's not so bad... you understood correctly. Indeed, if you're looking for an APC battery replacement, the CSB battery (the models shown in this video) are the same. They do differ as far as that plastic piece that comes with the APC battery to stop arching, etc. You can carefully remove it from your old APC RBC17 battery and re-attach it to the CSB brand battery.
I cannot seem to find UPS batteries that last more than 4-6 months. Years ago, I could buy those batteries and they would last 3-5 years. Can you , please, recommend a solution?
My original APC batteries from multiple UPS devices have lasted years- beyond what they are estimated to last. Although I haven't had the CSB brand batteries long enough to make the same claim, with the newfound knowledge that APC batteries are really CSB batteries, I'm confident I will have a similar experience. I would try either the original branded APC battery replacements or the original CSB generic batteries. Always check the dates on your batteries. You can google how to read the code or even call the customer service numbers. Both companies are very helpful. I doubt it's a function of how your batteries are being used, but it is theoretically possible. Are they getting charged and discharged often? Most UPS batteries do not (since they are only backup). Was your statement regarding more than one UPS device or were the batteries you tried all on the same device? It's theoretically possible the device(s) that plugged into the UPS sysem are draining the battery and causing it to charge simultaneously. That could degrade the life of the battery.
They're aren't specifically made for UPS, there's other stuff that uses those kind of batteries like electric cars for kids and stuff, try to get something different from acid-lead that shit is toxic
As far as I recall, the wires should slip off those terminals. You may have to gently depress the connection piece that slides onto the metal terminals while sliding the wire off. It is very straightforward and easy to do.
Yea, that's a common problem with a lot of warranties out there... it costs more to ship the item back to the company than it's worth. To be fair the APC customer service department has always been easy to work with and responsive. But there's a big difference in price between their "original" RBC17 battery and the generic CSB battery (which as we now know are pretty much one and the same). It's helpful and reassuring to others that you replaced your APC battery with no issues. So thank you for taking the time to write and sharing your experience.
@@efficientway Ya the only thing I ran into was the size of the connection. Mine was a F2 connector this is pretty important. You can get adapters but that might be a issue with fit.
Ahh... you should have watched this video first :-) - the CSB battery (the link for it is in the description) is identical to the original and it has identical F2 connectors (it's even written in the description of the battery). No need for connectors. I did a lot of research on that and made sure it was the correct connector (F2 type) and no need for connectors.
I worked that out via my kayak fishfinder battery it's exact size its just the terminals were different size so I looked it up and found out about the F2 connectors. good video btw thanks!
Very interesting video. I am going to replace the battery of my UPS (RBC6), the "original" APC battery costs almost x3 the price of a "regular" CSB one. So, obviously, I'd choose the most cost-effective option, if possible. My doubt is the CSB battery doesn't have those "caps" that cover the red terminal. I tried to search for them on line but I don't know what they are called. Did you manage to remove them from the APC battery? Another question: the CSB battery is ready to be installed (i.e. two 12V batteries connected) but I could buy two Yuasa batteries and the connecting cable and assemble the whole thing myself. It would cost me about 40% more but it could be worth if Yuasa is a better option. What do you think? Thank you.
I had the same concern about the caps when replacing the original APC battery. It was recommended that I continue to use the caps on the replacement CSB battery. As I recall it came off easily (you have to lift it off carefully from underneath) and it even retained enough stickiness so that I was able to just stick it on the new battery. As for your second question, do you have evidence that the Yuasa battery is 40% better than the CSB battery (to be worth paying 40% more). And by better, we really mean 40% longer life right? I think that's unlikely. Furthermore, if you're using the battery in an APC battery backup, who are we to deviate from the standards the company has already tested and knows works with their product (re: CSB brand)? Why not just take the win.... you are getting the exact same original battery the manufacturer used for 1/3 the price! That's the whole point of why I made the video... to share this fact/possibility with others. And by using the CSB brand, it's basically worry free in terms of how it will work with the battery backup or UPS system you have, and more importantly, you don't have to start worrying about the quality of the connecting cables you are buying, the connections between the batteries, etc. For me, the life of the CSB battery (the original one that came with the battery back up outlived its stated/suggested number of years) is more than sufficient and offers value in my opinion. It speaks to the quality of the CSB brand battery and I wouldn't start messing around with another brand, especially when you have to pay more for the other brand!
@@efficientway Thank you very much for your fast and elaborate reply. I think you are right, probably the CSB battery is the way to go. Nonetheless I still would have to worry about the quality of the connecting cable since the battery pack seems to be assembled by the seller, same one of the stand-alone connecting cable, so I assume it's the same cable. Anyway, I think I will buy the "cheaper" CSB battery and see if I can recover the caps from the old one. Sure enough as soon as the UPS is (hopefully) 100% operational it will be my pleasure to peel off the label from the old battery and see what's inside. Btw, it outlived its expected lifespan too, it's almost 9 years old. The odd thing is I have never had the "replace battery" led warning, according to the UPS the battery is fine. It just doesn't provide the same backup time anymore. Well, thanks again for your time and help, much appreciated. And watch out for APC hitmen ;)
@@lavalampgenie I think you may be able to use the old harness cables from the original battery setup no? As far as the alarm, the battery may have to degrade to a lower level before it will go off. The APC UPS systems do generally give you an annoying beeping sound and ample time to replace the battery. Re: the hit squad, it's funny I do feel like the "Masked Magician" (it was a television show in the U.S. where a masked magician revealed the secrets to all the top illusions and tricks that top performing magicians use) and a bit guilty. But, as I mentioned in the video and in other comments, I buy all my equipment, including a SMART UPS 1500 and smaller units from APC. I've also been on record stating they have outstanding customer service. I even bought the replacement for the 1500 directly from them. Hopefully I will get a pass :-) Thank you for the positive feedback. I appreciate it.
@@efficientway Hi again. I bought the battery we talked about (the CSB one) but when I opened the box I noticed the cardboard was wet under the battery. Not much wet but nonetheless wet (the box was dry outside). The battery itself is wrapped with plastic film and it "seems" ok. Right under it there was a sheet of polystirene and it has turned yellowish (probably due to the same liquid and some chemical reaction). There was no smell whatsoever. I contacted the seller and he said that it's probably "chemical from packing material" (whatever that means). Now I don't know what to do. What do you think about it? Would you use it or return it?
@Genie of the Lava Lamp I would look at that plastic film it came wrapped in. If it was a leak from the battery, it would likely still be wet inside that plastic because it wouldn't be able to dry easily, and certainly not as easily as outside of the plastic where you saw the wet. In other words, if it didn't dry outside of the plastic, it certainly wouldn't have dried inside the plastic. Second thing, just to make sure... smell the plastic and the battery. Any kind of acid leak would have a very noticeable smell. If both tests come back negative, I think you're ok. If you have a volt meter, you can test the battery for reassurance. Given that it was "not much wet" and dry outside, I'm wondering if it got wet during delivery process. The outside of the box would dry faster and more easily than the inside of the cardboard as it's exposed to the air. It sounds like the inside was on its way toward drying too, just at a slower pace. The color on the sheet could have been from the wet box, or glue interacting with the water? The key is that you didn't smell anything, anywhere. Have you ever opened up an electronic item where the AA or any type of battery has started to leak? Not only do you see the crusty bits, but you can smell it very easily. It's a very noticeable smell. I know and understand the unsure feeling, but I think you're ok in this case.
My comment was removed somehow. Maybe it's because I left an amazon link for your inspection? I'm not sure. Anyway, I have 2 questions related to APC UPS. I have ES 750 and it needs a new battery. Based on APC website, the battery spec shows 12v 9ah. My first questions is, can I still use CSB Battery GP1272F2 which is 12v 7ah? My second question is, the batteries from the link (3rd link in the description) you provided for CSB Battery GP1272F2 are not available any more, and amazon gave me suggestions instead. One is UltraTech UT1270 12V 7ah (I won't put a link again to avoid the removal of this comment), and I'm interested in buying it since it has a good price on it. Can you share some of your knowledge on UltraTech UT1270?
I don't think they make the ES 750 and the equivalent looks like the BE750G or 750VA. It says the replacement battery for that APC unit is the RBC 17. If that's the case, the CSB battery featured in the video and linked, should work. When I use the Amazon link provided in the video for the CSB battery, it brings me to the Amazon webpage and shows the CSB GP1272F2, 12 Volt/7.2 Amp available for sale for $25 (discounted at the moment). So I THINK you're all set. A 7ah would give you less runtime vs. 9ah, but either way I would double check what size battery you need in terms of shape, etc. You can always call APC to double check that you need the RBC 17. If they confirm that, you can either order their "original" direct from them or go with the CSB shown in the video and linked in the description. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the Ultra Tech battery. I would definitely do your research before purchasing one because generic batteries can really differ on performance, longevity, leakage, etc. After discovering that the original APC batteries are really CSB batteries (in addition to calling both companies, researching, etc.), I didn't consider it a real risk. That was the goal of the video- to save others the time and "de-risk" the act of switching for others.
@@efficientway Thanks a lot for your lengthy reply. I appreciate it. So, CSB Battery GP1272F2 link is working on your end? That's really strange. It still shows, "Currently unavailable" to me. I guess I should try with another computer. Thanks again.
Yep, to be fair, I highlighted the link and right clicked. I chose the option to "paste and go to http:... xx$@#xxx" but it should work the same by just clicking on the link, as you did. If it doesn't work using the above method either, let me know and I will figure out a different way to try to get it to you.
I'm not sure what you are referring to... the battery you are trying to replace? The replacement battery you bought? The instruction manual? Are you talking about APC batteries?
If using in an APC UPS - there are a few batteries made by CSB Vietnam that are a better choice than the GP series. The HR series or UPS series for even higher current design. Then there are the long service life (8 year vs 5 Year) HRL and XHRL I believe. We always use CSB HR1234 in a general use UPS and Long service life in remote locations. In Australia that can be very remote. They are 9.0Ah (but more to the point) they are designed for much higher current rating and initial current rating rather than emergency lighting or alarm backup like the GP series. The upper end APC's come with Long service HRL batteries. Like the 78KVa 3 phase ones. - Go CSB HR1234 all day.
Yes, as we both agree whether you buy the APC brand original battery or the CSB brand "generic" you're getting the same battery. It's just a case of the warranty, etc. It's great to hear you've had so much success with these battery backup replacements. Thank you for the detailed notes.
Thanks for the video. I'm wondering how did it go with those CSB batteries? Did you or someone else end up using them or not? Where I live, the battery price difference is almost 3x. That's why I'm considering an alternative, especially since my SMT750I is past its 3-year warranty. The original batteries have lasted all those 3 years and have saved me from losing work (and possibly having disk corruption) during a few brownouts and blackouts. Today my UPS gave a warning that the batteries might need replacement. After a reboot, it started up fine without any alerts, but I'm now worried. APC says SMT750I needs RBC48. As I understand, that pack internally has 2 CSB batteries similar to GP1272F2, so I should be OK with GP1272F2 (just have to be careful to avoid fakes). I'll try peeling off the original battery label just to be sure.
I've had no issues replacing the APC original batteries with generic CSB batteries. You can try using the original link I left in the description to purchase from the same seller. Obviously, if you get old batteries, no matter what the brand, you're more likely to have issues. So the seller does matter. As far as the RBC48 or situations where your APC SMT requires two batteries, if you look at your existing APC battery, you'll likely see that it's two batteries harnessed together with harness wires. You can actually re-use the harness wires that your original APC battery(ies) came with. If you carefully remove that plastic piece from the original battery, you can reattach it to the new CSB batteries. Part of the premium you pay for original APC batteries is for their customer service and warranty which to be fair has been very good in my experience. So while the batteries are an apple to apple comparison, you are getting something for the extra money. Is it worth 3x?? That's something for each person to decide themselves.
Is that after you peeled back the APC original RBC17 battery? The CSB battery featured in the video was also from Vietnam, just one of their manufacturing plants. Thank you for the positive feedback and info!
Correct, the amps I refer to for the RBC replacement battery and the CSB battery are amp hours. Perhaps I wrongly assumed that anyone who found their way to this video would know that. Just in case, it is stated in the CSB title in the link "CSB GP1272F2, 12 Volt/7.2 Amp Hour Sealed Lead Acid Battery". Either way, thank you for clarifying.
CSB is the one to catch. other battery makers make Knock Offs to replace CSB , thus CSB is the Best . i think i read Hitachi has something to do with making CSB SLA batteries . I thought RBC17 was 9 ah . but you show it as 7.2\7.1 ah ..darn . so which APC ups comes with a 9 ah battery ? and what is the RBC number of the 9 ah battery ? i know the larger ups come with 2 batteries . i hope 7.2 isn't the max RBC ah rating . yes , larger capacity batteries work just fine . i just connected the CSB GP 1272 F2 to the APC BN450M and it drives 200 watt load very nice . The ups is over 3 years so the ups itself is out of warranty and it needed a new battery . original battery : Leoch DWJ12 4.5 ah
Agreed- CSB batteries are tops (which is probably why APC uses them as their base for their RBC brand). Customer service was helpful too. When the UPS unit is out of warranty, using a third-party battery can't won't affect it so there's more incentive to do so. I will say that APC customer service is helpful and standup. Yea you can see the ah labeled on the RBC 17 battery in the video. It looks like there are several third-party battery makers that are selling REPLACEMENTS (not original) RBC batteries that are 9ah (vs. what APC may have originally decided to distribute with their battery back-up units). They may fit, but that is a bigger difference. In my case it was only a small difference in ah between the original RBC and the replacement I bought. It wasn't 7ah vs. 9ah I see there are battery companies offering replacements for the RBC 2, RBC 32, RBC 115 etc. in a 9ah design.
@@efficientway i am getting the impression that APC's max ah battery is 7.2 ah . In theier higher wattage units , they eventually use a 2 pack to support the 1,000VA to 1500VA units The double units then use 2 RGC17 bats ? 1500VA uses 2 bats and with the external pack adds 2 more RBC17 bats , totalls 4 , i guess about 34 ah for the 1500VA units . i cannot confirm that 7.2 ah is the max battery APC is using . No one has ever mentioned CSB GP 1212 F2 just a little surprised BE650G1 uses a single CSB GP 1272 F2 BD650G1 would certainly benefit from a CSB GP 1290 F2 or a CSB GP 1212 F2 expecaiily to help support 390 watt runtime . did i say this ? Every APC ups has max runtime of 3 minutes at max load , using their default battery configuration from the BN450M to the BE1500VA ,...always 3 minutes . They all need more battery !
I'm not sure about the max runtime you stated. I have the SMT1500 and I just double checked on their website. They have a calculator where you can input any load and it tells you the run time. The max load is 1000 watts and it says 6 minutes and 30 seconds runtime. Obviously it depends on the condition of the battery, but that's a better starting point than 3 minutes.
@@efficientway SMT1500R2-NMC seems to be in a totally different arena . BN BE BX series from 450 to 1500 , they all have max runtime of 3 minutes at their max load . SMT is some real serious ups from APC . They put some seriious battery with the SMT unit , out of box . BE1500 or BX , Stock , runs 900 watts for 3 minutes , but BE1500 can have the added external battery pack to increase capacity . That will put BE1500 over the top for runtime at max load , but ya gotta get the extra add on pack . At the store , all they have on the shelf are CSB batteries . the largest quantity of CSB on the shelf is the 7.2 ah They had a few CSB GP 1212 F2 and they even have a CSB GP 1217 with M5 nut and bolt posts . The store also sells a variety of APC and cyberpower ups units and maybe some triplite Do they have SMT in the store ? not sure . the next time i am there i will look for that , out of curiosity . As noted , as batteries decrease in capacity , runtime at minimal runtime( 3 minutes ) when New , doesn't leave alot of head room as the battery delcines . Your SMT has the head room , out of box . since i already have 2 , BN450M units , both now out of warranty , the other unit is gonna get the GP 1212 F2 . CSB GP 1272 F2 is a serious improvement compared to the original : Leoch DJW12 4.5 ah battery . If APC included CSB GP 1272 F2 as the Stock battery for the BN450M unit , that would be the ups to beat in the 200 watt range . 50 inch TV with computer , with RX570 video card , with modem and a switch box . power guesstamet : 60 watts 60 watts 60 watts ( under clocked ) 10 watts for both , totals about 200 watts , with some fudge . Load Tests with 7.2 ah battery : Battery voltage with just the TV is 12.33 volts Battery voltage with TV with computer( No game ) , 11.88 volts Battery voltage with all of the above ,... 11.33 vots , and stayed Steady at 11.33 volts . when i closed the game , voltage went back to 11.88 volts . Dying Light uses 60 watts GPU ( AMD overlay ) , at 1920 x 1080 because i under-clock and undervolt the GPU . i also under clock the CPU to 1.7 Ghz . this is a 95 watt 3. 7 Ghz CPU , but being undercloked i guess the total computer wattage to be about 60 watts . No outlet power meter . The computer power supply is 650 watts . obvioussly the computer is NOT using 500 watts . CSB makes a CSB GP 1250 F2 , 5 ah that matches the Leoch battery . Nope . diddn't get that one . Tell us some stories ,...
I'll tell you one thing.... you know your batteries! The SMT1500 was built for you. You would have a field day with the digital output. It gives you real-time data on voltage, efficiency, load, runtime, input/output, it does a self-test or manual test, and more. The ability to control sine wave is an added benefit. As far as runtime, given what I have plugged into the APC SMT1500 (very low load relative to max it can handle), my UPS ES 550 battery (which has my modem and router plugged into it), will die probably long before the SMT1500's. So while the main PC won't crash, the ability to work over the internet will be prohibited. Btw... if you look under the hood of the APC RBC 7, you'll find two batteries bridged together and a wire harness. There's normally a cover on top, but taking it off is like lifting off a magician's fake floor.... you see how the trick is done. It's not 1 giant battery for those wondering (with the cover on, it looks like it might be).
Maybe because even most Teslas still carry a traditional 12v lead-acid battery for aux power? Anyways, lead-acid car batteries are probably the most recycled type of batteries currently. Not saying the use of them is harmless, but their risks might be more overblown than you think.
@@efficientway I'm against all lead products they caused so much harm to the entire humanity all over the world, lead-acid batteries usually have emergency valves that will release toxic chemicals if the battery gets too hot or has a problem, I'm not installing one of those timebombs in anything I use everyday.
You Saving Nothing, I Have A Few Aftermarket Batteries From Amazon With Thousands Of Good Feedback And Garbage Before 1 Year, The Real One Cost Double But You Get 3 Years Battery Life. Amén.
Mate, I think you missed the whole point of the video. The Generic CSB brand battery is exactly the same as the APC original battery- RBC17 minus the warranty that APC provides. Please re-watch the video. I've gotten a lot more than 3 years with my CSB brand batteries fyi. They are battery back up batteries so they're not getting drained down and charged up like normal batteries, but still. I've placed a link for the CSB battery replacements in the description because as you say, there are many generic replacements for the APC batteries, but they're not all the same.
Good stuff. I was just needing to replace my APC 17 mystery battery and pealed back the silver label to see it’s a WP1234 8ah Model from Kung Long Batteries of Vietnam. So what APC slaps their sticker on varies clearly. The knowledge that one can remove the label to see the important stats is great knowledge.
Very glad this helped with your APC battery replacement. That's very interesting re: the Kung Long Batteries. Do you happen to know how old the battery is? I'm wondering if APC always used two different sources or if they recently switched to one. They are definitely currently sourcing from CSB, I know that. Either way that is helpful info that you have provided as now others know there are two alternatives if they choose to go that route when replacing their original APC. Thank you for sharing and for the positive feedback as well.
Been meaning to repurpose 2 old UPS units I have laying around. Thanks for this. It seems CSB and Yuasa batteries are the better choices from what I have read.
I'm not familiar with Yuasa batteries, but certainly CSB batteries are good enough for APC to use in their UPS units (including the expensive SMART UPS like the SMT1500), etc. In fact, CSB batteries are so good APC uses them too ;-) Glad this helped, and thanks for the positive feedback. Good luck with your projects.
Is there a way to replace these with a LiFePo battery?
I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with Lifepo batteries. What are they out of curiosity? Are they superior to the CSB brand battery replacement for the RBC17?
ABSOLUTELY DO NOT replace a lithium battery on a lead acid charging circuit. LiFePo's may be one of the "safest" lithium rechargeables but they can still catch fire when stressed far enough. Sealed Lead Acid batteries have no problem depleting to a lower voltage than lithium batteries and SLA's can also handle trickle charging while lithium batteries prefer not to always stay at 100% charge.
My apc back-ups 700 apparently came with the generic (right one, made in vietnam) battery. I only noticed this 4.5yrs after purchase because that is how long the generic lasted.
Yep, it's like a big reveal as you pull back the APC battery. The longevity of the CSB brand battery is no doubt why APC uses them in the first place.
so the apc rbc battery is the same as the CSB??? I didn't understand the video well, my English is bad
It's not so bad... you understood correctly. Indeed, if you're looking for an APC battery replacement, the CSB battery (the models shown in this video) are the same. They do differ as far as that plastic piece that comes with the APC battery to stop arching, etc. You can carefully remove it from your old APC RBC17 battery and re-attach it to the CSB brand battery.
@@efficientway ok thank so much
I cannot seem to find UPS batteries that last more than 4-6 months. Years ago, I could buy those batteries and they would last 3-5 years. Can you , please, recommend a solution?
My original APC batteries from multiple UPS devices have lasted years- beyond what they are estimated to last. Although I haven't had the CSB brand batteries long enough to make the same claim, with the newfound knowledge that APC batteries are really CSB batteries, I'm confident I will have a similar experience. I would try either the original branded APC battery replacements or the original CSB generic batteries. Always check the dates on your batteries. You can google how to read the code or even call the customer service numbers. Both companies are very helpful. I doubt it's a function of how your batteries are being used, but it is theoretically possible. Are they getting charged and discharged often? Most UPS batteries do not (since they are only backup). Was your statement regarding more than one UPS device or were the batteries you tried all on the same device? It's theoretically possible the device(s) that plugged into the UPS sysem are draining the battery and causing it to charge simultaneously. That could degrade the life of the battery.
They're aren't specifically made for UPS, there's other stuff that uses those kind of batteries like electric cars for kids and stuff, try to get something different from acid-lead that shit is toxic
But how do you disconnect the battery terminal on each side please
As far as I recall, the wires should slip off those terminals. You may have to gently depress the connection piece that slides onto the metal terminals while sliding the wire off. It is very straightforward and easy to do.
I have replaced mine many times easy and works fine ! Good luck with a warranty it cost a fortune to ship and they won't honor it anyway.
Yea, that's a common problem with a lot of warranties out there... it costs more to ship the item back to the company than it's worth. To be fair the APC customer service department has always been easy to work with and responsive. But there's a big difference in price between their "original" RBC17 battery and the generic CSB battery (which as we now know are pretty much one and the same). It's helpful and reassuring to others that you replaced your APC battery with no issues. So thank you for taking the time to write and sharing your experience.
@@efficientway Ya the only thing I ran into was the size of the connection. Mine was a F2 connector this is pretty important. You can get adapters but that might be a issue with fit.
Ahh... you should have watched this video first :-) - the CSB battery (the link for it is in the description) is identical to the original and it has identical F2 connectors (it's even written in the description of the battery). No need for connectors. I did a lot of research on that and made sure it was the correct connector (F2 type) and no need for connectors.
I worked that out via my kayak fishfinder battery it's exact size its just the terminals were different size so I looked it up and found out about the F2 connectors. good video btw thanks!
Very interesting video.
I am going to replace the battery of my UPS (RBC6), the "original" APC battery costs almost x3 the price of a "regular" CSB one.
So, obviously, I'd choose the most cost-effective option, if possible. My doubt is the CSB battery doesn't have those "caps" that cover the red terminal.
I tried to search for them on line but I don't know what they are called.
Did you manage to remove them from the APC battery?
Another question: the CSB battery is ready to be installed (i.e. two 12V batteries connected) but I could buy two Yuasa batteries and the connecting cable and assemble the whole thing myself.
It would cost me about 40% more but it could be worth if Yuasa is a better option.
What do you think?
Thank you.
I had the same concern about the caps when replacing the original APC battery. It was recommended that I continue to use the caps on the replacement CSB battery. As I recall it came off easily (you have to lift it off carefully from underneath) and it even retained enough stickiness so that I was able to just stick it on the new battery. As for your second question, do you have evidence that the Yuasa battery is 40% better than the CSB battery (to be worth paying 40% more). And by better, we really mean 40% longer life right? I think that's unlikely. Furthermore, if you're using the battery in an APC battery backup, who are we to deviate from the standards the company has already tested and knows works with their product (re: CSB brand)? Why not just take the win.... you are getting the exact same original battery the manufacturer used for 1/3 the price! That's the whole point of why I made the video... to share this fact/possibility with others. And by using the CSB brand, it's basically worry free in terms of how it will work with the battery backup or UPS system you have, and more importantly, you don't have to start worrying about the quality of the connecting cables you are buying, the connections between the batteries, etc. For me, the life of the CSB battery (the original one that came with the battery back up outlived its stated/suggested number of years) is more than sufficient and offers value in my opinion. It speaks to the quality of the CSB brand battery and I wouldn't start messing around with another brand, especially when you have to pay more for the other brand!
@@efficientway Thank you very much for your fast and elaborate reply. I think you are right, probably the CSB battery is the way to go.
Nonetheless I still would have to worry about the quality of the connecting cable since the battery pack seems to be assembled by the seller, same one of the stand-alone connecting cable, so I assume it's the same cable.
Anyway, I think I will buy the "cheaper" CSB battery and see if I can recover the caps from the old one.
Sure enough as soon as the UPS is (hopefully) 100% operational it will be my pleasure to peel off the label from the old battery and see what's inside.
Btw, it outlived its expected lifespan too, it's almost 9 years old.
The odd thing is I have never had the "replace battery" led warning, according to the UPS the battery is fine.
It just doesn't provide the same backup time anymore.
Well, thanks again for your time and help, much appreciated.
And watch out for APC hitmen ;)
@@lavalampgenie I think you may be able to use the old harness cables from the original battery setup no? As far as the alarm, the battery may have to degrade to a lower level before it will go off. The APC UPS systems do generally give you an annoying beeping sound and ample time to replace the battery. Re: the hit squad, it's funny I do feel like the "Masked Magician" (it was a television show in the U.S. where a masked magician revealed the secrets to all the top illusions and tricks that top performing magicians use) and a bit guilty. But, as I mentioned in the video and in other comments, I buy all my equipment, including a SMART UPS 1500 and smaller units from APC. I've also been on record stating they have outstanding customer service. I even bought the replacement for the 1500 directly from them. Hopefully I will get a pass :-) Thank you for the positive feedback. I appreciate it.
@@efficientway Hi again. I bought the battery we talked about (the CSB one) but when I opened the box I noticed the cardboard was wet under the battery. Not much wet but nonetheless wet (the box was dry outside).
The battery itself is wrapped with plastic film and it "seems" ok.
Right under it there was a sheet of polystirene and it has turned yellowish (probably due to the same liquid and some chemical reaction).
There was no smell whatsoever.
I contacted the seller and he said that it's probably "chemical from packing material" (whatever that means).
Now I don't know what to do.
What do you think about it? Would you use it or return it?
@Genie of the Lava Lamp I would look at that plastic film it came wrapped in. If it was a leak from the battery, it would likely still be wet inside that plastic because it wouldn't be able to dry easily, and certainly not as easily as outside of the plastic where you saw the wet. In other words, if it didn't dry outside of the plastic, it certainly wouldn't have dried inside the plastic. Second thing, just to make sure... smell the plastic and the battery. Any kind of acid leak would have a very noticeable smell. If both tests come back negative, I think you're ok. If you have a volt meter, you can test the battery for reassurance. Given that it was "not much wet" and dry outside, I'm wondering if it got wet during delivery process. The outside of the box would dry faster and more easily than the inside of the cardboard as it's exposed to the air. It sounds like the inside was on its way toward drying too, just at a slower pace. The color on the sheet could have been from the wet box, or glue interacting with the water? The key is that you didn't smell anything, anywhere. Have you ever opened up an electronic item where the AA or any type of battery has started to leak? Not only do you see the crusty bits, but you can smell it very easily. It's a very noticeable smell. I know and understand the unsure feeling, but I think you're ok in this case.
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Thank you! Good luck with your battery replacement.
My comment was removed somehow. Maybe it's because I left an amazon link for your inspection? I'm not sure. Anyway, I have 2 questions related to APC UPS. I have ES 750 and it needs a new battery. Based on APC website, the battery spec shows 12v 9ah. My first questions is, can I still use CSB Battery GP1272F2 which is 12v 7ah? My second question is, the batteries from the link (3rd link in the description) you provided for CSB Battery GP1272F2 are not available any more, and amazon gave me suggestions instead. One is UltraTech UT1270 12V 7ah (I won't put a link again to avoid the removal of this comment), and I'm interested in buying it since it has a good price on it. Can you share some of your knowledge on UltraTech UT1270?
I don't think they make the ES 750 and the equivalent looks like the BE750G or 750VA. It says the replacement battery for that APC unit is the RBC 17. If that's the case, the CSB battery featured in the video and linked, should work. When I use the Amazon link provided in the video for the CSB battery, it brings me to the Amazon webpage and shows the CSB GP1272F2, 12 Volt/7.2 Amp available for sale for $25 (discounted at the moment). So I THINK you're all set. A 7ah would give you less runtime vs. 9ah, but either way I would double check what size battery you need in terms of shape, etc. You can always call APC to double check that you need the RBC 17. If they confirm that, you can either order their "original" direct from them or go with the CSB shown in the video and linked in the description.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the Ultra Tech battery. I would definitely do your research before purchasing one because generic batteries can really differ on performance, longevity, leakage, etc. After discovering that the original APC batteries are really CSB batteries (in addition to calling both companies, researching, etc.), I didn't consider it a real risk. That was the goal of the video- to save others the time and "de-risk" the act of switching for others.
@@efficientway Thanks a lot for your lengthy reply. I appreciate it. So, CSB Battery GP1272F2 link is working on your end? That's really strange. It still shows, "Currently unavailable" to me. I guess I should try with another computer. Thanks again.
Yep, to be fair, I highlighted the link and right clicked. I chose the option to "paste and go to http:... xx$@#xxx" but it should work the same by just clicking on the link, as you did. If it doesn't work using the above method either, let me know and I will figure out a different way to try to get it to you.
Thanks.
Glad you found it helpful. I appreciate you leaving the comment.
Mine says BB battery vrla recharable
I'm not sure what you are referring to... the battery you are trying to replace? The replacement battery you bought? The instruction manual? Are you talking about APC batteries?
If using in an APC UPS - there are a few batteries made by CSB Vietnam that are a better choice than the GP series. The HR series or UPS series for even higher current design. Then there are the long service life (8 year vs 5 Year) HRL and XHRL I believe. We always use CSB HR1234 in a general use UPS and Long service life in remote locations. In Australia that can be very remote. They are 9.0Ah (but more to the point) they are designed for much higher current rating and initial current rating rather than emergency lighting or alarm backup like the GP series. The upper end APC's come with Long service HRL batteries. Like the 78KVa 3 phase ones. - Go CSB HR1234 all day.
Yes, as we both agree whether you buy the APC brand original battery or the CSB brand "generic" you're getting the same battery. It's just a case of the warranty, etc. It's great to hear you've had so much success with these battery backup replacements. Thank you for the detailed notes.
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Yes, these replacement batteries for the APC batteries come with some charge in them.
Thanks for the video. I'm wondering how did it go with those CSB batteries? Did you or someone else end up using them or not?
Where I live, the battery price difference is almost 3x. That's why I'm considering an alternative, especially since my SMT750I is past its 3-year warranty. The original batteries have lasted all those 3 years and have saved me from losing work (and possibly having disk corruption) during a few brownouts and blackouts.
Today my UPS gave a warning that the batteries might need replacement. After a reboot, it started up fine without any alerts, but I'm now worried.
APC says SMT750I needs RBC48. As I understand, that pack internally has 2 CSB batteries similar to GP1272F2, so I should be OK with GP1272F2 (just have to be careful to avoid fakes). I'll try peeling off the original battery label just to be sure.
I've had no issues replacing the APC original batteries with generic CSB batteries. You can try using the original link I left in the description to purchase from the same seller. Obviously, if you get old batteries, no matter what the brand, you're more likely to have issues. So the seller does matter. As far as the RBC48 or situations where your APC SMT requires two batteries, if you look at your existing APC battery, you'll likely see that it's two batteries harnessed together with harness wires. You can actually re-use the harness wires that your original APC battery(ies) came with. If you carefully remove that plastic piece from the original battery, you can reattach it to the new CSB batteries. Part of the premium you pay for original APC batteries is for their customer service and warranty which to be fair has been very good in my experience. So while the batteries are an apple to apple comparison, you are getting something for the extra money. Is it worth 3x?? That's something for each person to decide themselves.
Great info. Thank you. Mine says HR1234 F2 12V 34W/CELL/1.67V/15MIN CSB BATTERY VIETNAM CO
Is that after you peeled back the APC original RBC17 battery? The CSB battery featured in the video was also from Vietnam, just one of their manufacturing plants. Thank you for the positive feedback and info!
The rating you're talking about is not amps. It's amp-hours, sometimes abbreviated Ah. Totally different.
Correct, the amps I refer to for the RBC replacement battery and the CSB battery are amp hours. Perhaps I wrongly assumed that anyone who found their way to this video would know that. Just in case, it is stated in the CSB title in the link "CSB GP1272F2, 12 Volt/7.2 Amp Hour Sealed Lead Acid Battery". Either way, thank you for clarifying.
CSB is the one to catch. other battery makers make Knock Offs to replace CSB ,
thus CSB is the Best . i think i read Hitachi has something to do with making CSB SLA batteries .
I thought RBC17 was 9 ah . but you show it as 7.2\7.1 ah ..darn .
so
which APC ups comes with a 9 ah battery ?
and what is the RBC number of the 9 ah battery ?
i know the larger ups come with 2 batteries . i hope 7.2 isn't the max RBC ah rating .
yes , larger capacity batteries work just fine .
i just connected the CSB GP 1272 F2
to the APC BN450M
and it drives 200 watt load very nice .
The ups is over 3 years so the ups itself is out of warranty
and it needed a new battery .
original battery : Leoch DWJ12 4.5 ah
Agreed- CSB batteries are tops (which is probably why APC uses them as their base for their RBC brand). Customer service was helpful too. When the UPS unit is out of warranty, using a third-party battery can't won't affect it so there's more incentive to do so. I will say that APC customer service is helpful and standup.
Yea you can see the ah labeled on the RBC 17 battery in the video. It looks like there are several third-party battery makers that are selling REPLACEMENTS (not original) RBC batteries that are 9ah (vs. what APC may have originally decided to distribute with their battery back-up units). They may fit, but that is a bigger difference. In my case it was only a small difference in ah between the original RBC and the replacement I bought. It wasn't 7ah vs. 9ah I see there are battery companies offering replacements for the RBC 2, RBC 32, RBC 115 etc. in a 9ah design.
@@efficientway i am getting the impression that APC's max ah battery is 7.2 ah .
In theier higher wattage units , they eventually use a 2 pack to support the 1,000VA to 1500VA units
The double units then use 2 RGC17 bats ? 1500VA uses 2 bats and with the external
pack adds 2 more RBC17 bats , totalls 4 , i guess about 34 ah for the 1500VA units .
i cannot confirm that 7.2 ah is the max battery APC is using .
No one has ever mentioned CSB GP 1212 F2
just a little surprised BE650G1 uses a single CSB GP 1272 F2
BD650G1 would certainly benefit from a CSB GP 1290 F2 or a CSB GP 1212 F2
expecaiily to help support 390 watt runtime .
did i say this ?
Every APC ups has max runtime of 3 minutes at max load , using their default battery configuration
from the BN450M to the BE1500VA ,...always 3 minutes . They all need more battery !
I'm not sure about the max runtime you stated. I have the SMT1500 and I just double checked on their website. They have a calculator where you can input any load and it tells you the run time. The max load is 1000 watts and it says 6 minutes and 30 seconds runtime. Obviously it depends on the condition of the battery, but that's a better starting point than 3 minutes.
@@efficientway SMT1500R2-NMC
seems to be in a totally different arena . BN BE BX series from 450 to 1500 , they all have max runtime of 3 minutes at their max load .
SMT is some real serious ups from APC . They put some seriious battery with the SMT unit , out of box .
BE1500 or BX , Stock , runs 900 watts for 3 minutes , but BE1500 can have the added external battery pack to
increase capacity . That will put BE1500 over the top for runtime at max load , but ya gotta get the extra add on pack .
At the store , all they have on the shelf are CSB batteries . the largest quantity of CSB on the shelf is the 7.2 ah
They had a few CSB GP 1212 F2 and they even have a CSB GP 1217 with M5 nut and bolt posts .
The store also sells a variety of APC and cyberpower ups units and maybe some triplite
Do they have SMT in the store ? not sure . the next time i am there i will look for that , out of curiosity .
As noted , as batteries decrease in capacity , runtime at minimal runtime( 3 minutes ) when New ,
doesn't leave alot of head room as the battery delcines . Your SMT has the head room , out of box .
since i already have 2 , BN450M units , both now out of warranty , the other unit is gonna get the GP 1212 F2 .
CSB GP 1272 F2 is a serious improvement compared to the original : Leoch DJW12 4.5 ah battery .
If APC included CSB GP 1272 F2 as the Stock battery for the BN450M unit , that would be the ups to beat
in the 200 watt range .
50 inch TV with computer , with RX570 video card , with modem and a switch box . power guesstamet :
60 watts 60 watts 60 watts ( under clocked ) 10 watts for both , totals about 200 watts , with some fudge .
Load Tests with 7.2 ah battery :
Battery voltage with just the TV is 12.33 volts
Battery voltage with TV with computer( No game ) , 11.88 volts
Battery voltage with all of the above ,... 11.33 vots , and stayed Steady at 11.33 volts .
when i closed the game , voltage went back to 11.88 volts .
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uses 60 watts GPU ( AMD overlay ) , at 1920 x 1080 because i under-clock and undervolt the GPU .
i also under clock the CPU to 1.7 Ghz . this is a 95 watt 3. 7 Ghz CPU , but being undercloked
i guess the total computer wattage to be about 60 watts . No outlet power meter .
The computer power supply is 650 watts . obvioussly the computer is NOT using 500 watts .
CSB makes a CSB GP 1250 F2 , 5 ah that matches the Leoch battery . Nope . diddn't get that one .
Tell us some stories ,...
I'll tell you one thing.... you know your batteries! The SMT1500 was built for you. You would have a field day with the digital output. It gives you real-time data on voltage, efficiency, load, runtime, input/output, it does a self-test or manual test, and more. The ability to control sine wave is an added benefit. As far as runtime, given what I have plugged into the APC SMT1500 (very low load relative to max it can handle), my UPS ES 550 battery (which has my modem and router plugged into it), will die probably long before the SMT1500's. So while the main PC won't crash, the ability to work over the internet will be prohibited. Btw... if you look under the hood of the APC RBC 7, you'll find two batteries bridged together and a wire harness. There's normally a cover on top, but taking it off is like lifting off a magician's fake floor.... you see how the trick is done. It's not 1 giant battery for those wondering (with the cover on, it looks like it might be).
how aren't lead batteries illegal yet? Baffling.
I'm guessing your concern is mostly over the disposal of lead acid batteries as opposed to their use right?
Maybe because even most Teslas still carry a traditional 12v lead-acid battery for aux power? Anyways, lead-acid car batteries are probably the most recycled type of batteries currently.
Not saying the use of them is harmless, but their risks might be more overblown than you think.
@@efficientway I'm against all lead products they caused so much harm to the entire humanity all over the world, lead-acid batteries usually have emergency valves that will release toxic chemicals if the battery gets too hot or has a problem, I'm not installing one of those timebombs in anything I use everyday.
@@waffleMccoy Makes sense
@@h8GW Even Tesla batteries have their issues. Supposedly if they do catch fire, they are very difficult to extinguish with traditional methods.
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Mate, I think you missed the whole point of the video. The Generic CSB brand battery is exactly the same as the APC original battery- RBC17 minus the warranty that APC provides. Please re-watch the video. I've gotten a lot more than 3 years with my CSB brand batteries fyi. They are battery back up batteries so they're not getting drained down and charged up like normal batteries, but still. I've placed a link for the CSB battery replacements in the description because as you say, there are many generic replacements for the APC batteries, but they're not all the same.