@@midasapprentice8670 there’s a LOT of themes in both of these movies actually and the end of my Luke VS Vader (episode V) video does a great job with this topic
EXACTLY! It wasn't the kids it was too violent for, it was the ADULTS who wanted to censor everything from movies to music, trying to wrap us in bubble-wrap and cotton batting. Or do they think we don't remember the PMRC?
Uh, no. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom pushed hard on the acceptable level of violence in mainstream movies with it's new PG-13 rating (which was literally invented for the movie). Everything else you might be remembering (Alien, Blade Runner, Robocop, Outland, etc) were R-rated films. At the time, what had changed, I think, is parents were more and more apt to take their kids to an R-rated movie, than in previous decades. So, Han Solo being violently tortured in TESB would've been a little premature yet.
@@damonappel Actually, the PG-13 rating was introduced 2 months after Temple of Doom was released, with the aforementioned film cited as a reason for the necessity of the new rating.
I saw a clip from that movie recently. I forgot or didn't realize Harrison Ford punches a woman in the face in the beginning. Boy was Lucas angry at his ex-wife.
I remember as a kid that brief hope that Han would actually win the whole war right there. And then to see the complete uselessness of Han's efforts ...
Me and my brother had the trading cards. The one with Han floating in carbonite, we thought it was a coffin. So when it happened on screen, we cried like babies. Inconsolable! Great time to be 5 and 11 😂
Ok thanks, I got a chuckle. I actually have that on VHS somewhere... got it from a mail in promo off cereal boxes. Not sure who in lucasfilm messed up to let it out into the wild like that.
@@classicalextremism You have the Star Wars Holiday Special on VHS?! I know it's not a home-made version, as no one back then would've wasted a perfectly good VHS tape doing that!! That's gotta be worth a few bucks, just for the nostalgia.
@@erichoffman2243 I had no idea what it was at the time. It took more than two scoops of raisin bran, I tell ya. When it finally showed up I watched it immediately... The horror. The horror...
Seriously, I don't know why they cut down that torture scene with Han, because if you recall in A New Hope there was the scene with the chard and smoking remains of Luke's aunt and uncle. And hell I saw that in the theater when I was 6.
I think so too. Han drew, aimed, and shot; with Greedo not knowing this shot as a reaction, being tensed up and firing prematurely and barely missing Han.
@@Mexican_Jedi In the original 1977 version, Han is the only one who shoots, taking Greedo by surprise. Greedo doesn't shoot at all - because he's dead! The versions where Greedo shoots weren't released until the late 90s, and it's been tweaked several times since.
Hey, we're the generation watched: 1. Watched Artex drown in the Swamp of Sadness (The Neverending Story) - actually, that whole movie is quite intense. 2. A chicken being beheaded (Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.) 3. Danny Laruso being beaten down by the jocks wearing skeleton suits (The Karate Kid.) 4. The warren being destroyed (Watership Down.) - another intense movie 5. The Skeksis (The Dark Crystal.) 6. The death of ET (ET: The Extra Terrestial.) 7. The shoe getting dipped (Who Framed Roger Rabbit.) 8. The drug hallucinations (Young Sherlock Holmes.) 9. The human sacrifice (Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.) 10. The Nazis getting their face melted off, or blown up, and other gruesome deaths (Indiana Jones and the Lost Ark.) Han getting electrocuted wouldn't be anywhere as bad as those. Also, Greedo's death in the original movie was hardly a light moment. (I remember when I saw it in 1977 someone in the audience exclaiming, "He shot him, he just shot him.") Good guys never did that.
Han wasn't supposed to be a good guy in the beginning. He was supposed to be the selfish "look out for himself" type. It was taking the job that eventually changed him into a hero. Had Obi-Wan and Luke hired a different ship, he might not have ever changed.
When you think it through, Han had yet to meet Vader despite the glance he caught of him in Episode IV fighting Ben Kenobi. The great back story involves Han's time in the Imperial Navy and knowing of Vader's existence as part of the highest end in the chain of command. That's (likely) why he fires his blaster so quickly.
@@georgevanhoose6333 The commander that was beating down Chewbacca, yes. The scene that was incorrectly written in "Solo". I thought I was one of fourteen people who knew that. Are you number 5 or 6?
Umm, Vader was known as the Emperors enforcer through-out the galaxy in the original canon. Its only in Disney's new canon that Vader was supposed to be a boogeyman few knew about.
Stars Wars. An adaptation for radio in thirteen parts. Based on characters and situations created by George Lucas. Episode One: A Wind to Shake the Stars. Brilliant series. Heard it when first broadcast.
Man, that movie where it would be all about rescuing Han and Boba Fett is the villain sounds awesome. Disney could have made something like that where Boba goes back to bounty hunting with a vengeance but instead they turned him into a crime boss who does not want to commit crimes.
I couldn't agree with you more. I felt very embarrassed that Boba Fett didn't even like get a weird flashback "a-ha moment" scene after he got out of that Sarlacc Pit. Something, anything, really.
Boba Fett should have just disappeared taking his huge rewards from the Empire and Jabba and going his own way. He didn't have much to add to _Return of the Jedi_ that another of Jabba's lackeys couldn't have done, like roping Luke. Unless you needed it to be a _Revenge of the Jedi_ kind of movie.
Disney destroyed the mystique of Boba Fett. Totally destroyed that character, the dude kept removing his helmet and he wore a robe underneath the armor smfh
Best sequel ever. Runners-up include _The Godfather Part 2, Aliens, Terminator 2,_ and if it doesn't have to be the second movie, _Avengers: Infinity War_ and _Avengers: Endgame._
Oh please…. You guys are worse than trekkies…. Thank god it’s a great sequel…. It sure as heck is a terrible movie on its own…. and I don’t care what anyone says…if RotJ never got made, Empire would be nowhere near the hype it gets still
In the 4 hour Radio reading of ‘New Hope’, you can hear Princess Leia screaming and begging for mercy when Darth Vader tortures her in the Death Star with that droid.
@@titnesovic4522 And Leia took it like a sociopath, too--not a flinch or tear shed for her parents and people. Meanwhile, Luke is overcome with grief on the Falcon after Ben--a guy he's known for less than 24 hours--dies. One of the few glaring character mistakes by Lucas in the original film.
because it doesn´t get shown from the Alderaan Peoples perspective. Maybe back then they cut the Budget to shoot the scene or didn´t want to show to much violence. Meanwhile years later Episode 3 = Order 66 scene. Ep2 Jango Fett beheading.
RETURN OF THE JEDI was my favorite. My mates uncle took us to see it at the movies. We were only 5 and we were blown away. Everything was Star Wars for the next 7 or so years. Every tree was a spaceship we played in. Every broom was a light saber. Every parent was part of the empire. The list goes on. The good old days..
@@Don-ol8zethe worst part about it is that cringe CGI musical number in the re-released version, what the actual f#%@ were they on when they added that
@@Don-ol8zeExactly, especially the Fight on the Death Star beetween Luke and Vader and it’s Final conclusion is probably the best moment of the Trilogy. The final Salvation of the Choosen One
Honestly I’ve never seen half of this footage - that stuff at the beginning with the bounty hunters is amazing! And what about that bit with Boba and an Ewok on the Death Star - wtf?!?
@@julesrutty1384 From a mocumentary called “Return of the Ewok” detailing an alternate version of how Warwick Davis got cast as Wicket in Return of the Jedi. Part of the mocumentary is him wandering many of the sets of Return of the Jedi trying to find Endor AKA the Redwood Forest.
I watched Empire Strikes Back when 6 years old, it was around 87 with VHS. I scared to death with Darth Vader and Luke scene in Dagobah. I cried when Vader cut Luke hand, wait it's not over Vader admitted he is Luke father. I still remember how crazy it was.
This is why George's early movies are so much more revered. Sometimes it's more impactful to lead into but not show. This is where modern movies have taken it too far sometimes.
Absolutely agree, David. A lot of times more isn't necessarily better. Lots of film makers out there today - very few story tellers. Lucas knows how to tell a story. Great point.
That bit with the bounty hunters rescuing Han would have been incredible - stretching it all out to more movies would have been even more incredible. Still, I'll always love OT Star Wars. As for those surprised the cut the Han torture scene, all I can say is the world was a much kinder, gentler place back in the early 80s in terms of what parents were willing to expose their kids to.
I remember first watching The Empire Strikes back when I was somewhere between 6-8 years old back in 2009 or 2010 and the scene of Han getting tortured gave me 2nd-hand pain like I never knew before, and seeing Luke's arm get chopped off didn't help. I couldn't sleep for days after watching that! I refused to re-watch The Empire Strikes Back until about eight-ten years later!
EPIC! I do understand why they cut it for the little kiddies, because their imaginations are so fresh and new that they can't tell the difference between what's real and not real, but you're right, Revenge of the Sith was much more gruesome and even as an adult is hard to watch Anakin being burned to a crisp.
Yea and now Disney is all about being total soft asses they won't make lightsabers act like lightsabers instead they make them fucking baseball bats and keep toning down the violence for every action scene with a lightsaber in it.
And that was when they still used practical effects and animatronics that looked more real than CGI does with everything today (that’s why Hayden on fire was’t really that shocking in the early 2000s or even now)
@@slappywag7210Yep. When they got all whiny and stopped wearing makeup and assless pants and started writing good lyrics that weren't just about partying and scoring with groupies. It's alright, though, rap brought that mentality back.
@@basrur either Bossk: The Score keeper or Boba Fett:No Disintegrations. Both fan films from Creative Force Films. th-cam.com/video/yoooOIrSyCM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zuGNLJqnsJ6kf-rV th-cam.com/video/Bgf3ptQ8eqQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PtZk-39vdGU4jXDH
I’m guessing that the extra Dengar scene and Boba/Bossk scene are from a fan film. Boba has maroon gauntlets, which don’t appear until RotJ. In TESB, they were green.
Hi Timmerred5, yes you are correct! They are scenes from the fan film No Disintegrations - located on our channel here on TH-cam. Go give it a watch if that interests you. Also - great eye on the gauntlets!
@@argonwheatbelly637costume design is a pretty big deal. Boba Fett’s costume goes through several changes between ESB and ROTJ. In the Special Editions, they use his original helmet (better metallic weathering detail) with his rubbery looking ROTJ costume.
Really cool book (in case you never read it) is Tales of the Bounty Hunters. It's 5 different stories, really good stuff, especially the stories involving IG-88 and Bossk.👍👍
@@karlepaul6632 Yes! The Tales trilogy in general is excellent. The IG-88 story is just plain bonkers in TotBH though :D; agree that Bossk's is cool and I actually also liked the Zuckuss/4-LOM story. Funnily enough, I actually think the best bounty hunter story is 'a Barve like that' in Tales from Jabba's Palace.
The Marvel comic series 'Shadows of the Empire', not the novel of the same name, takes place between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Boba Fett had a hell of a hard time getting Han Solo to Jabba the Hutt. The other Bounty Hunters kept intercepting him, trying to kill him and take the carbonite form of Solo to Jabba so they could get the reward instead.
0:10 I love that Boba and Bossk shared a bro handshake, considering they have been partners in the past. If Book of Boba Fett gets a season 2, I'm hoping Bossk makes an appearance.
That handshake definitely gave me Predator vibes where Arnold Schwarzenegger's Dutch character gave the manliest bro hand clasp with Carl Weather's Dillon (aka High Magistrate Greef Karga from The Mandalorian). Maybe it was too hokey in the end and I think I like how otherwise serious it was in ESB with the bounty hunters all out for number one.
It makes sense that Hans instinct was to protect and shield Leia as soon as he saw Vader. The whole plot from the previous film is him and Luke rescuing her from Vader drugging her, physically and mentally torturing her, and then deciding to kill her. Now that Han loves her, even more of a reason to instinctively protect her.
Vader was obviously being sarcastic when he had the table set. I wonder what he would have done if Han and Leia walked in sat down and pretended to be happy to see him.
It’s just another normal dinner with the in-laws. This was where Vader was gonna give Han the talk abt dating his daughter. Nothing wrong with being a concerned parent
@@joeu.3624I think he would've tortured Han anyways. Vader had him tortured in the knowledge that Luke would sense, through the Force, than Han, Leia, Chewbacca and C-3PO were in trouble and would depart for Cloud City to help them, thus luring him into Vader's trap.
After Star Wars, Lucas revealed that his idea was for three trilogies. After Return of the Jedi, that talk stopped. But then with episodes 1 through 3, it was obvious they revived the idea. And with episodes 7-9 it seemed all they did was unravel the universe that Lucas had built. I wondered if the story arc was Lucas' original idea. Thanks to you, I see that his original 9 movie plot was used up after Episode 6. It makes greater sense now.
It was only ever just Lucas talking, he never wrote scripts or big outlines. He then couldn't back away to enjoy life and save his marriage so wanted it to be over with with _Return of the Jedi._ Maybe if his producer on _Empire_ had been honest about the delays and cost overruns, he could have trusted them to do it right. Then he got the wrong director for _Jedi_ who may have lost confidence with Lucas hovering over him. They say he filmed Luke angry the whole movie, so someone had to come in and use softer takes and cutaways so Luke seemed normal. I think someone figured out Lucas's treatment he gave to Disney for 7-9 and it might not have been much different from what was filmed, but he wanted Darth Maul to be the bad guy in the background. Sigh.
@@sandal_thong8631 Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand were really just hired because they were good with actors/character development, with Lucas taking more of a "Golden Age of Hollywood" producer role, ie. directing the director(s).
1:33 --- I never knew that. When Han said, "They never even asked me any questions" I always thought that Darth Vader was being a classic, brutal villain; now it makes sense.
Hon getting the worst form of shock treatment was a quite intense enough. Luke's bloodless Hand decapitation was also pretty brutal for a PG movie at the time. i surprising that they got away with it.
@@sandal_thong8631yeah, I think it looks fake enough to give a pass. also, Luke chopping off vader's head in the cage was almost close too. then park of the mask explodes and revealing Lukes face gave the scene more depth that is was more of a vision however, watch that scene now kind of gives me highlander vibe LOL.
Naw, we weren’t soft. The MPAA was on a tear during the 80’s, in which practically everything was cut(even R rated films). Spielberg and Paramount threw a wrench into their plans, hence PG-13
The Marvel comics adaptation of ESB has that one shot of Han agonizing in pain, Marvel comics was probably working from an earlier cut before the scene was removed.
Yep, it was too violent for us 80's kids. Didn't really wave our fingers and bob our heads when arguing over a small issue either. Had sugary food and yummy pizza at lunch. And I don't remember ever having "lockdown drills". Man I was deprived! My pronouns were - life is good.
E.R.A. failed, we had the Radical Right, War on Drugs, Recession, threat of nuclear war with USSR, and attacks on rock and rap lyrics by Al Gore's wife. Generation X didn't agree to stand for or against anything other than boycotting South Africa's apartheid. At least we had a common view of most of the news before alt-right media.
"Your weapons, you will not need them." -Yoda "What are we supposed to use, harsh language?" -Frost "I like to keep this handy, for close encounters." -Hicks "I heard that." -Frost in Aliens. I'm still wondering how it was supposed to go down, talking it out? If the tree/temple is strong with the Dark Side, then why would it help a Jedi find enlightenment? And Luke didn't talk to Vader until the end, he just started fighting, which is what he did in the tree.
The darkness is important. Some of the best Sci fi movies in their franchises are the best precisely because these violent, uncomfortable, or frightening parts amp up the stakes. My skin still crawls to see Han slowly lowered onto the torture device or to hear his screams, or to see the remains of the slaughtered scientists in Wrath of Khan - but that only makes the villain that much more intimidating and their defeat all the more paramount.
Do you have to diss Return in the process? It's the favorite of many fans. Not me, but many. It really has nothing to do with the torture scene in Empire. I find it curious that electrocution is over the top when lopping off hands, arms, legs, heads, and slaughtering younglings is ok to include. I'd love to see the focus group they ran that by.
@@StarWarsAnalyst Now, now, c'mon man. Don't treat us like we're dumb. We do have working ears. The onscreen text said "masterpiece" but your voiceover said "MESSterpiece". Look, you clearly weren't wild about Return of the Jedi, and you have every right to your opinion. But don't diss the movie and then pretend that you didn't. We're not children.
I didn't realize until someone explained it to me that the whole movie turned _Star Wars_ upside-down with the big battle near the beginning, the Rebels not winning, and Luke literally upside-down on three planets (as they show here). However, if you consider _Return of the Jedi_ to be _The Empire Strikes Back: Part 2_ then they're a repeat of _Star Wars:_ Someone's captured, we meet a Jedi Master, they go to the rescue, the Jedi Master dies, then they destroy the Death Star.
To me the character of Echo has always reminded a lot of that of Lobo, above all for the head implant and also Echo was connected with many cables to the brain in The Clone Wars, just as seen in the comic album you mentioned.
yes and yes - those are absolutely not deleted scenes from Lucas lol, people are tripping if they thought those real. The REAL scene is the extension of Vader's intro on the Star Destroyer bridge and the slow pan of Boba looking over at him with IG-88 and Dengar.
I saw the torture scene and I was not afraid. I think it was more about parents reaction you know the same parents who reacted to Grogu eating frog eggs.b
I would like to say a lot of what i have seen on YT are things that were in the original theatrical releases but no one remembers what they saw in the theater. I do remember a lot of these things and shame on Lucas for discounting the ppl who do as simple 'stupids".
Same, I remember them as well.... I think this is a bunch of made of crap lol Lucas himself didnt plan much for Boba Fett and even said he didnt see the big deal about him when he killed him off.
Some would argue kids are too soft now. Growing up in the 80s I was used to torture lol - neighborhood bullies, bullies at school - falling out of trees etc
Lucas cared about the box office and merchandising. As he told Harrison Ford when they were making Return of the Jedi, a dead Han isn't going to sell toys.
Sometimes it's better to imagine it. Also, we need Lando's reactions to the situation to believe he's really going to side with them, and is not going to betray the Rebel fleet later, too.
Thank you for your interesting and informative post. I can well imagine that some scenes seem too brutal. when you consider that it was only in the 70's that scenes in films became more brutal. Today children play computer games that are very brutal. unfortunately.👩🚀
People may not be aware or remember that it took 30+ years for Lucasfilm to finally release Star Wars deleted scenes back in 2011 on the SW Saga BluRay box set....before that we only got little scraps, short clips, still photos (exception being some Star Wars deleted scenes included on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM). Where are you getting all these amazing deleted/alternate scenes from ? As far as I'm aware they've never been released in any official way. One deleted scene that has yet to see the light of day is the scene on Jabba's sail barge where C3PO is translating an argument between 2 aliens (Ree-Yees and Yak-Face ?) with Salicious Crumb heckling them on. The scene is included in the ROJ novelization as well as a color still frame of the scene. If you can obtain that scene you will have satisfied a lifetime desire to see it released from the Lucasfilm vault. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Really wish that we got that initial bounty hunter scene as it played out here with Boba turning his head with a slow pan across IG-88 and Dengar. What an excellent introduction - it would have just added to all the other brief parts the ensued immediately following those shots. I really wish a few more of the bounty hunters had made contact either with the Falcon in space or initially on Cloud City, even the meteor. Would have added 5-10 minutes more to the movie but would have really upped the ante as far as showcasing the Empire's resources in finding fugitives like Han and crew. I also highly disagree that the prior generation is soft, that is not even close to the truth - they just didn't need gratuitous violence and blood to get the point across. Irvin made the fantastic decision to show less of the torture - hearing Han's voice screaming is WAY more effective than actually seeing it. Showing less and allowing an intelligent audience to use their imaginations is always far scarier and a great way to maintain class and subtlety as a filmmaker. I always felt like Anakin's near death was so much hokier than I imagined it to be and so farfetched - in the 80s, we all knew he fell into a lava pit while fighting Obi-Wan, which left him deformed. It wasn't some ridiculous circus flip that got his preposterous 3 limbs lopped off - I mean, I don't care how good of a Jedi Obi-Wan was, that was so comical. I'd get one or maybe 2, but 3 limbs all at once while a dude is flipping over your head is just too pulpy and isn't grounded in realism.
@ianA Bro, did you just include the world "realism" (as in lack thereof) in describing something linked with things involving stuff like the Force, lightsabers, and a world made up primarily of lava? So your suspension of disbelief was definitely intact the whole time, but only up until THAT specific part of action had occurred? After that your feelings became "Naw, this is totally unbelievable now. I was along for the ride, but that just totally killed it." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@karlepaul6632 in a film of fantasy, Lucas' approach absolutely grounded the script in as much realism as possible - what you are failing to understand that is space sci-fi to that point had either been schlocky Flash Gordon B-movie level pomp or completely sterile and pristine space like 2001: A Space Odyssey. George brought the gritty realism of the 70s into his movie, but injected it with heart and optimism not seen in other films of those days. Instead of Dirty Harry, he had Han Solo (who shot first), but still had the capacity for redemption from his greed in the closing scenes and comes through as a loyal friend. You're far too focused on the tapestry and backdrop to not see that the prequels jumped the shark in many places, even for a fantasy film.
@@StarWarsAnalyst haha I feel that sometimes, but I will always give ROTJ more credit than a lot of younger people do. It's really an epic movie and the Emperor scenes alone just sell the entire trilogy's scope and scale. Totally agree on Justice 4 Lobot!
RotJ is the best Star Wars film (come at me bro) Luke is a Jedi. Death of Jaba. Death of Yoda. Death of Boba Fett. Revelation of Lukes twin. Best lightsaber fight (ever). Force lightning introduced. Vader's redemption. Palpatine's death. Vader's death. End of the Empire. Good guys win. Trilogy is perfectly wrapped up (forget those sequels... 😬)
@@StarWarsAnalyst Off topic, can you help me try to figure out how the Wampa Deleted scene in ESB would've played out if it were in the film? In the future, I'd love to make a cheesey fan edit and put the deleted scenes back in the film or at least watch them where they would've happened, but the timing of the scenes feels off to me? When does the Stormtroopers and Vader arrive at the Wampa door? Before or after Han and Leia reach the Falcon?
Even funnier when you realize the torture device was a toy that existed…we also had a droid kit that burned the feet of droids….ah pulling the limbs off 3peo was the day.
I heard once that Boba Fett was going to be reveal as the Younger brother of Vader, and I think somethings were keep, like Vader warning Boba no Desintegration!! The way Vader moves and threat Boba is like "dude you messed up!!! My boss gonna have your head if you keep killing them"
I wonder if the scene with Lobot unconscious and connected to all those wires was the inspiration for Echo being used by the Separatists in The Clone Wars.
I can remember filming it like it was yesterday. It was the better part of a day getting setup and the shot right. It took a real toll on Harrison and I had to practically stop him from storming off set more than once. Then after all that, they more or less cut it all out. Just movie business I suppose.
It wasn't 80's kids so much as it was 90's kids. My parents have one of the og VHS releases of Star Wars and this scene was in it, I grew up knowing this was there (along with the bit of Owen and Beru) and skipped it. The scene was dropped in the DVD release entire, as far as the family SW collection goes.
Actually ROTJ is one of my favorites and it may be sacrilegious to say but I enjoyed it more than empire, sure the Ewoks were a bit corny but I loved the way there was so much going on, with the space battle, Endor battle and Luke with Vader, all at the same time and all hinged on the other.
I distinctly remember when the teaser-trailer first dropped, and we saw a quick-cut of Luke and Vader beside each other, not fighting (when Luke surrenders to Vader and they are on the lift), and that feeling of "I HAVE TO SEE THIS!"
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i know the theme of A New hope was technology vs spirituality. I have to ask you what was the themes of Empire and Jedi?
@@midasapprentice8670 there’s a LOT of themes in both of these movies actually and the end of my Luke VS Vader (episode V) video does a great job with this topic
Too violent for 80s kids? I never knew there was such a thing.
@@StarWarsAnalyst What's the actual title?
@@midasapprentice8670 th-cam.com/video/MALVhzMcJ1k/w-d-xo.html
"considered too violent by the adults making the movie" - as an 80s kid I can assure you we wouldn't have been fazed at all
RoboCop anyone?
EXACTLY! It wasn't the kids it was too violent for, it was the ADULTS who wanted to censor everything from movies to music, trying to wrap us in bubble-wrap and cotton batting. Or do they think we don't remember the PMRC?
Uh, no. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom pushed hard on the acceptable level of violence in mainstream movies with it's new PG-13 rating (which was literally invented for the movie). Everything else you might be remembering (Alien, Blade Runner, Robocop, Outland, etc) were R-rated films. At the time, what had changed, I think, is parents were more and more apt to take their kids to an R-rated movie, than in previous decades.
So, Han Solo being violently tortured in TESB would've been a little premature yet.
@@damonappel Actually, the PG-13 rating was introduced 2 months after Temple of Doom was released, with the aforementioned film cited as a reason for the necessity of the new rating.
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 1987 classic I saw it in third grade.
"Not sure how kids would've reacted to Han's extended torture scene..."
Meanwhile in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom's "Heart" Scene...
I saw a clip from that movie recently. I forgot or didn't realize Harrison Ford punches a woman in the face in the beginning. Boy was Lucas angry at his ex-wife.
That "Heart" scene was cut for the UK theatrical release but later restored.
true but that was rated PG-13.
@@wcoleman5555we didn't have pg-13 then. It was PG. PG-13 was created later that same year because of this and Gremlins.
That freaking scene gave me nightmares as a 5 yo kid 😖
Vader deflecting the blast and snatching the gun from Han gave me chills in the theater as a kid. Still badass
I remember as a kid that brief hope that Han would actually win the whole war right there. And then to see the complete uselessness of Han's efforts ...
@@libertarianesque8645 millennial leftist..
But, to keep its PG rating I’m sure that’s the main reason.
I realize now that he didnt even use the force to block them. He has robotic arms/hands and just didnt give a crap about puny blaster fire.
Vader was like, come at me bro.
I remember that scene. Vader made Han watch The Phantom Menace but only with Jar Jar scenes.
Bots would find this funny
@@anthonygarcia8749 NPCs won't find this funny.
Worse, he made him watch the last jedi
@@Wolf_3125 Last Jedi would've been more merciful, it would just put him to sleep. Try sleeping with Jar Jar's voice.
Rise of Skywalker but only the scenes where Rey and Kylo kiss each other.
I saw Han being tortured in the original theatrical release in '80, and even then it was pretty harsh. His screams were gut-wrenching.
@@jjb2385 lol
Same. I was 13
I have a copy
Me and my brother had the trading cards. The one with Han floating in carbonite, we thought it was a coffin. So when it happened on screen, we cried like babies. Inconsolable! Great time to be 5 and 11 😂
He's still tortured, nothing's been changed. The video's talking about what the scene was *going* to be, originally.
Kids in 1980 were quite prepared to watch a Han Solo torture scene. We had already endured the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Ok thanks, I got a chuckle.
I actually have that on VHS somewhere... got it from a mail in promo off cereal boxes. Not sure who in lucasfilm messed up to let it out into the wild like that.
@@classicalextremism You have the Star Wars Holiday Special on VHS?! I know it's not a home-made version, as no one back then would've wasted a perfectly good VHS tape doing that!! That's gotta be worth a few bucks, just for the nostalgia.
@@erichoffman2243 I had no idea what it was at the time. It took more than two scoops of raisin bran, I tell ya. When it finally showed up I watched it immediately...
The horror. The horror...
@@classicalextremism Yeah it was really REALLY bad. It was so bad it was like they did it on purpose.
Man, even RiffTrax couldn't make that tolerable 😂
Seriously, I don't know why they cut down that torture scene with Han, because if you recall in A New Hope there was the scene with the chard and smoking remains of Luke's aunt and uncle. And hell I saw that in the theater when I was 6.
Yep totally agree
But they didn't show Vader torturing Leia either.
I think you mean charred; chard is a vegetable.
I think by not showing the actual torture made it more impactful. We are left to imagine what happened.
@@geckowizard And charred chard is so meta..
The way Hans went after Vader , makes me certain he prob shot greedo first
Greedo didn't shoot at all. Han was the only one who shot
Han always shoots first.
@@holonet1 I believe that's what Leia said.
I think so too. Han drew, aimed, and shot; with Greedo not knowing this shot as a reaction, being tensed up and firing prematurely and barely missing Han.
@@Mexican_Jedi In the original 1977 version, Han is the only one who shoots, taking Greedo by surprise. Greedo doesn't shoot at all - because he's dead!
The versions where Greedo shoots weren't released until the late 90s, and it's been tweaked several times since.
0:34 Han saying "I'm that ONE!" broke me for the day 😂
Shouldve said “I aint nobody dork!”😂
Then you need a life.
Hey, we're the generation watched:
1. Watched Artex drown in the Swamp of Sadness (The Neverending Story) - actually, that whole movie is quite intense.
2. A chicken being beheaded (Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.)
3. Danny Laruso being beaten down by the jocks wearing skeleton suits (The Karate Kid.)
4. The warren being destroyed (Watership Down.) - another intense movie
5. The Skeksis (The Dark Crystal.)
6. The death of ET (ET: The Extra Terrestial.)
7. The shoe getting dipped (Who Framed Roger Rabbit.)
8. The drug hallucinations (Young Sherlock Holmes.)
9. The human sacrifice (Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.)
10. The Nazis getting their face melted off, or blown up, and other gruesome deaths (Indiana Jones and the Lost Ark.)
Han getting electrocuted wouldn't be anywhere as bad as those.
Also, Greedo's death in the original movie was hardly a light moment. (I remember when I saw it in 1977 someone in the audience exclaiming, "He shot him, he just shot him.") Good guys never did that.
Thank you!!
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Han wasn't supposed to be a good guy in the beginning. He was supposed to be the selfish "look out for himself" type. It was taking the job that eventually changed him into a hero. Had Obi-Wan and Luke hired a different ship, he might not have ever changed.
When you think it through, Han had yet to meet Vader despite the glance he caught of him in Episode IV fighting Ben Kenobi. The great back story involves Han's time in the Imperial Navy and knowing of Vader's existence as part of the highest end in the chain of command. That's (likely) why he fires his blaster so quickly.
So he wasn't taking out the Rebels' main enemy as much as he was fragging a bastard commander.
@@georgevanhoose6333
The commander that was beating down Chewbacca, yes. The scene that was incorrectly written in "Solo". I thought I was one of fourteen people who knew that. Are you number 5 or 6?
In the Legends continuity Han also catches a glimpse of Vader at the end of _The Hutt Gambit_ , and witnesses his true cruelty.
Umm, Vader was known as the Emperors enforcer through-out the galaxy in the original canon. Its only in Disney's new canon that Vader was supposed to be a boogeyman few knew about.
He would of known about Vader due to him being a smuggler.
If you think this is bad, you should listen to the original radio drama of A New Hope. Leila’s torture scene is brutal.
It was so bad the second L in her name was totally destroyed.
@@finncullen Stupid autocorrect 😂
@@finncullen May the Snark be with you.
Eric Clapton has entered the chat..
Stars Wars. An adaptation for radio in thirteen parts. Based on characters and situations created by George Lucas. Episode One: A Wind to Shake the Stars. Brilliant series. Heard it when first broadcast.
Man, that movie where it would be all about rescuing Han and Boba Fett is the villain sounds awesome. Disney could have made something like that where Boba goes back to bounty hunting with a vengeance but instead they turned him into a crime boss who does not want to commit crimes.
I couldn't agree with you more. I felt very embarrassed that Boba Fett didn't even like get a weird flashback "a-ha moment" scene after he got out of that Sarlacc Pit. Something, anything, really.
I agree. Although after seeing the atrocity Disney committed in episode 7-9 I’ll settle for any half decent plot lines that I can get.
Boba Fett should have just disappeared taking his huge rewards from the Empire and Jabba and going his own way. He didn't have much to add to _Return of the Jedi_ that another of Jabba's lackeys couldn't have done, like roping Luke. Unless you needed it to be a _Revenge of the Jedi_ kind of movie.
Yep, leave it to Disney to destroy yet another legacy character. Pop culture assassins.
Disney destroyed the mystique of Boba Fett. Totally destroyed that character, the dude kept removing his helmet and he wore a robe underneath the armor smfh
The Empire Strikes Back is quite simply one of the finest films ever made. It defied the odds.
Best sequel ever. Runners-up include _The Godfather Part 2, Aliens, Terminator 2,_ and if it doesn't have to be the second movie, _Avengers: Infinity War_ and _Avengers: Endgame._
Oh please…. You guys are worse than trekkies…. Thank god it’s a great sequel…. It sure as heck is a terrible movie on its own…. and I don’t care what anyone says…if RotJ never got made, Empire would be nowhere near the hype it gets still
In the 4 hour Radio reading of ‘New Hope’, you can hear Princess Leia screaming and begging for mercy when Darth Vader tortures her in the Death Star with that droid.
Too violent?
I grew up watching aliens before I was ten..
Gen-X wasn't soft. They wanted to sell toys. We were the slasher movie generation. Anakin getting burned was laughable by our standards. 🤣🤣🤣
Tell ‘em boss! 💪🏼
Facts!
Yeah. The "I hate you!" actually made me chuckle.
We're a funny species. Nobody was traumatized by Alderaan blowing up. I was 6 when I saw that.
Exactly. How many millions or even billions of lives lost there?
@@titnesovic4522 And Leia took it like a sociopath, too--not a flinch or tear shed for her parents and people. Meanwhile, Luke is overcome with grief on the Falcon after Ben--a guy he's known for less than 24 hours--dies. One of the few glaring character mistakes by Lucas in the original film.
because it doesn´t get shown from the Alderaan Peoples perspective. Maybe back then they cut the Budget to shoot the scene or didn´t want to show to much violence.
Meanwhile years later Episode 3 = Order 66 scene. Ep2 Jango Fett beheading.
RETURN OF THE JEDI was my favorite. My mates uncle took us to see it at the movies. We were only 5 and we were blown away. Everything was Star Wars for the next 7 or so years. Every tree was a spaceship we played in. Every broom was a light saber. Every parent was part of the empire. The list goes on. The good old days..
Right! I truly can't understand the hate ROTJ gets. For every perceived flaw there have to be at least two or three amazing and iconic moments.
I would just be more pleased if the final fight we waited for 6 movies weren't cut by a teddy-bear fight 🙂
@@Don-ol8zethe worst part about it is that cringe CGI musical number in the re-released version, what the actual f#%@ were they on when they added that
@@Don-ol8zeExactly, especially the Fight on the Death Star beetween Luke and Vader and it’s Final conclusion is probably the best moment of the Trilogy. The final Salvation of the Choosen One
02:20 - I know you just didn’t call Gen X soft… cupcake.
Pretty sure there was some sarcasm in his tone.
Honestly I’ve never seen half of this footage - that stuff at the beginning with the bounty hunters is amazing! And what about that bit with Boba and an Ewok on the Death Star - wtf?!?
yes where is that from????????????
@@julesrutty1384 From a mocumentary called “Return of the Ewok” detailing an alternate version of how Warwick Davis got cast as Wicket in Return of the Jedi. Part of the mocumentary is him wandering many of the sets of Return of the Jedi trying to find Endor AKA the Redwood Forest.
@@julesrutty1384 It's from the Classic Trilogy blooper reel found on the Special Features disc of the 2004 DVD edition.
I watched Empire Strikes Back when 6 years old, it was around 87 with VHS. I scared to death with Darth Vader and Luke scene in Dagobah. I cried when Vader cut Luke hand, wait it's not over Vader admitted he is Luke father. I still remember how crazy it was.
Hans true courage is on display when he pulls out and starts blastin on Vader
I imagine Lando told Vader he's never without his blaster and is a fast draw.
"Leave that to me."
That sounds like a different movie. '...when he pulls out and starts blastin on Vader..'
Hans? Hans Gruber?
This is why George's early movies are so much more revered. Sometimes it's more impactful to lead into but not show. This is where modern movies have taken it too far sometimes.
Absolutely agree, David. A lot of times more isn't necessarily better. Lots of film makers out there today - very few story tellers. Lucas knows how to tell a story. Great point.
Gen X is soft? You sure you want to poke that bear?
That bit with the bounty hunters rescuing Han would have been incredible - stretching it all out to more movies would have been even more incredible. Still, I'll always love OT Star Wars. As for those surprised the cut the Han torture scene, all I can say is the world was a much kinder, gentler place back in the early 80s in terms of what parents were willing to expose their kids to.
Parents also exposed their kids to Indiana Jones back in the early 1980s 💀
Then came VHS!
'Rescuing' you mean stealing for Vader.
I remember first watching The Empire Strikes back when I was somewhere between 6-8 years old back in 2009 or 2010 and the scene of Han getting tortured gave me 2nd-hand pain like I never knew before, and seeing Luke's arm get chopped off didn't help. I couldn't sleep for days after watching that! I refused to re-watch The Empire Strikes Back until about eight-ten years later!
Lol. Awesome.
As a kid, Luke getting his hand cut off was more shocking than the "I am your father" reveal that happened after.
EPIC! I do understand why they cut it for the little kiddies, because their imaginations are so fresh and new that they can't tell the difference between what's real and not real, but you're right, Revenge of the Sith was much more gruesome and even as an adult is hard to watch Anakin being burned to a crisp.
It's probably one of the only movies where you actually see someone being burned alive in detail
if you look for the radio drama of star wars on youtube they add a lot of deleted scenes 1 in particular vader's torcher of leia
Yea and now Disney is all about being total soft asses they won't make lightsabers act like lightsabers instead they make them fucking baseball bats and keep toning down the violence for every action scene with a lightsaber in it.
To be fair pg 13 didn’t exist yet.
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Man, we 80's kids watched stuff far more violent than that. We were the first generation to have decent cable TV!
Damn right! We had the good metal bands until people got all whiny in the 90’s.
Gen X turned out to be pretty tough. We are not as grumpy as the boomers, not as whiny as the millennials, and we are a whole lot cooler.
And that was when they still used practical effects and animatronics that looked more real than CGI does with everything today (that’s why Hayden on fire was’t really that shocking in the early 2000s or even now)
@@slappywag7210Yep. When they got all whiny and stopped wearing makeup and assless pants and started writing good lyrics that weren't just about partying and scoring with groupies. It's alright, though, rap brought that mentality back.
Gotta say Boba this is one beauty of a ship! Not crazy about the NAME tho... 😂👏🏾
EST is a very polished film. Beautiful lighting and set design makes it for me.
The Han Solo being tortured scene was in the original theatrical release in 1980. I remember it well, more so because it hasn't been seen since.
The power of imagination, my friend.
So what did it show then, if you remember it so well?
Must be an inverted mandela effect..
Call the law offices of Porkins, Ozzel, Boba, & Fett
0:10 Boba and Bossk doing the high five from Predator was something I never knew I needed to see
I need more.
Where is that footage from?
@@basrur either Bossk: The Score keeper or Boba Fett:No Disintegrations. Both fan films from Creative Force Films. th-cam.com/video/yoooOIrSyCM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zuGNLJqnsJ6kf-rV
th-cam.com/video/Bgf3ptQ8eqQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PtZk-39vdGU4jXDH
Bruh.... That is not a high five... You must be five...
@@nuclearfish010 Handshake, high five, who cares? Doesn’t make me five years old.
What happened to Lobot is very similar to what happened to Echo.
Yeah I thought that too
I've wondered if Echo is Lobot.
I wanna see Echos transformation as they recover his body.
I’m guessing that the extra Dengar scene and Boba/Bossk scene are from a fan film. Boba has maroon gauntlets, which don’t appear until RotJ. In TESB, they were green.
All the potential in lost dialogue, and you're worried about how he accessorizes? 😂
@@argonwheatbelly637 No worries here, just pointing out a fact. There’s no lost dialogue when it’s not a scene from a Star Wars movie.
Hi Timmerred5, yes you are correct! They are scenes from the fan film No Disintegrations - located on our channel here on TH-cam. Go give it a watch if that interests you. Also - great eye on the gauntlets!
@@CreativeForceFilms Thank you! I will have to check it out. I’m in the 501st Legion and one of the costumes I’ve made is Boba Fett TESB.
@@argonwheatbelly637costume design is a pretty big deal. Boba Fett’s costume goes through several changes between ESB and ROTJ. In the Special Editions, they use his original helmet (better metallic weathering detail) with his rubbery looking ROTJ costume.
The bounty hunters should have atleast had like a hour episode showing how badass they were, especially boba back then
Really cool book (in case you never read it) is Tales of the Bounty Hunters. It's 5 different stories, really good stuff, especially the stories involving IG-88 and Bossk.👍👍
@@karlepaul6632 Yes! The Tales trilogy in general is excellent. The IG-88 story is just plain bonkers in TotBH though :D; agree that Bossk's is cool and I actually also liked the Zuckuss/4-LOM story.
Funnily enough, I actually think the best bounty hunter story is 'a Barve like that' in Tales from Jabba's Palace.
The Marvel comic series 'Shadows of the Empire', not the novel of the same name, takes place between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Boba Fett had a hell of a hard time getting Han Solo to Jabba the Hutt. The other Bounty Hunters kept intercepting him, trying to kill him and take the carbonite form of Solo to Jabba so they could get the reward instead.
Boba Fett is the coolest badass useless character ever
Especially Dengar with his toilet themed aesthetic
1:15 vadar wanted to question han for dating his daughter. You know typical dad and daughter's bf
0:10 I love that Boba and Bossk shared a bro handshake, considering they have been partners in the past. If Book of Boba Fett gets a season 2, I'm hoping Bossk makes an appearance.
It's funny considering their rivalry in Legends.
That handshake definitely gave me Predator vibes where Arnold Schwarzenegger's Dutch character gave the manliest bro hand clasp with Carl Weather's Dillon (aka High Magistrate Greef Karga from The Mandalorian). Maybe it was too hokey in the end and I think I like how otherwise serious it was in ESB with the bounty hunters all out for number one.
"Dillon! You son of a bitch." First thing I thought of.
Indeed. And yes I got that Predator vibes too.
lol that isn't original footage - that's some fan fiction video, not bad for costuming though...
It makes sense that Hans instinct was to protect and shield Leia as soon as he saw Vader. The whole plot from the previous film is him and Luke rescuing her from Vader drugging her, physically and mentally torturing her, and then deciding to kill her. Now that Han loves her, even more of a reason to instinctively protect her.
Vader actually kept finding excuses to NOT kill her. It was Tarkin that ordered her death.
Does anyone ever wonder how awkward that dinner with Darth Vader must have been? Pass the peas. Darth Vader slurping a drink through his mask.
Who has two thumbs and betrayed his best friend this guy
"Well, it's been a time and a half but...looootta torturin to do!"
So what's the point of Darth Vader sitting at a table to eat? Very awkward trying to push food through that helmet.
Vader was obviously being sarcastic when he had the table set. I wonder what he would have done if Han and Leia walked in sat down and pretended to be happy to see him.
Right? Maybe he wouldn't have tortured Han if he hadn't shot first? 🤔
Man, this looks great Darth. Would you pass the Gray Poupon?
Really? I honestly thought the whole point of the scene was to imply they had a very awkward dinner before moving on to torture.
It’s just another normal dinner with the in-laws. This was where Vader was gonna give Han the talk abt dating his daughter. Nothing wrong with being a concerned parent
@@joeu.3624I think he would've tortured Han anyways. Vader had him tortured in the knowledge that Luke would sense, through the Force, than Han, Leia, Chewbacca and C-3PO were in trouble and would depart for Cloud City to help them, thus luring him into Vader's trap.
After Star Wars, Lucas revealed that his idea was for three trilogies. After Return of the Jedi, that talk stopped. But then with episodes 1 through 3, it was obvious they revived the idea. And with episodes 7-9 it seemed all they did was unravel the universe that Lucas had built. I wondered if the story arc was Lucas' original idea. Thanks to you, I see that his original 9 movie plot was used up after Episode 6. It makes greater sense now.
It was only ever just Lucas talking, he never wrote scripts or big outlines. He then couldn't back away to enjoy life and save his marriage so wanted it to be over with with _Return of the Jedi._ Maybe if his producer on _Empire_ had been honest about the delays and cost overruns, he could have trusted them to do it right. Then he got the wrong director for _Jedi_ who may have lost confidence with Lucas hovering over him. They say he filmed Luke angry the whole movie, so someone had to come in and use softer takes and cutaways so Luke seemed normal.
I think someone figured out Lucas's treatment he gave to Disney for 7-9 and it might not have been much different from what was filmed, but he wanted Darth Maul to be the bad guy in the background. Sigh.
@@sandal_thong8631 I'm in favor of a fanmade overhaul of the entire thing to work out the flaws.
@@sandal_thong8631 Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand were really just hired because they were good with actors/character development, with Lucas taking more of a "Golden Age of Hollywood" producer role, ie. directing the director(s).
@@sandal_thong8631 Lucas always regretted killed Darth Maul so early in Episode 1
1:33 --- I never knew that. When Han said, "They never even asked me any questions" I always thought that Darth Vader was being a classic, brutal villain; now it makes sense.
There's a difference between graphic torture of a hero and a Sith burning alive due to his own downfall.
I am certain there were a lot of scenes that were cut for a good reason, it would’ve made the film much darker than it turned out to be!
Still pretty dark. Hell of a shock for 10 year old me in 1980..
If Star Wars was realistic, it would be too much even for adults.
Hon getting the worst form of shock treatment was a quite intense enough. Luke's bloodless Hand decapitation was also pretty brutal for a PG movie at the time. i surprising that they got away with it.
The stroke against the guy in the cantina in _Star Wars_ wasn't clean, as there was his bloody arm on the floor.
@@sandal_thong8631yeah, I think it looks fake enough to give a pass. also, Luke chopping off vader's head in the cage was almost close too. then park of the mask explodes and revealing Lukes face gave the scene more depth that is was more of a vision however, watch that scene now kind of gives me highlander vibe LOL.
Naw, we weren’t soft. The MPAA was on a tear during the 80’s, in which practically everything was cut(even R rated films). Spielberg and Paramount threw a wrench into their plans, hence PG-13
The Marvel comics adaptation of ESB has that one shot of Han agonizing in pain, Marvel comics was probably working from an earlier cut before the scene was removed.
Yep, it was too violent for us 80's kids. Didn't really wave our fingers and bob our heads when arguing over a small issue either. Had sugary food and yummy pizza at lunch. And I don't remember ever having "lockdown drills". Man I was deprived! My pronouns were - life is good.
Lol I hate my generation 😔
@@StarWarsAnalyst All gens have good and bad. Me? I just opt of most of the modern stuff lol.
E.R.A. failed, we had the Radical Right, War on Drugs, Recession, threat of nuclear war with USSR, and attacks on rock and rap lyrics by Al Gore's wife. Generation X didn't agree to stand for or against anything other than boycotting South Africa's apartheid. At least we had a common view of most of the news before alt-right media.
02:49 - Lando, being who he is, obviously returned with Luke in order to find those flares and winkle-pickers. What an outfit !
Return of the Jedi is my favorite one.
"The cave?? Remember your failure in the cave?"
In this same movie Luke decapitated Vader in the cave on Dagobah.
"Your weapons, you will not need them." -Yoda
"What are we supposed to use, harsh language?" -Frost
"I like to keep this handy, for close encounters." -Hicks
"I heard that." -Frost in Aliens.
I'm still wondering how it was supposed to go down, talking it out? If the tree/temple is strong with the Dark Side, then why would it help a Jedi find enlightenment? And Luke didn't talk to Vader until the end, he just started fighting, which is what he did in the tree.
You could still hear Han from the hallway as if Vader was torturing him personally.
The darkness is important. Some of the best Sci fi movies in their franchises are the best precisely because these violent, uncomfortable, or frightening parts amp up the stakes. My skin still crawls to see Han slowly lowered onto the torture device or to hear his screams, or to see the remains of the slaughtered scientists in Wrath of Khan - but that only makes the villain that much more intimidating and their defeat all the more paramount.
Do you have to diss Return in the process? It's the favorite of many fans. Not me, but many. It really has nothing to do with the torture scene in Empire. I find it curious that electrocution is over the top when lopping off hands, arms, legs, heads, and slaughtering younglings is ok to include. I'd love to see the focus group they ran that by.
I said it’s a masterpiece and that we all have our own reasons for loving it
@@StarWarsAnalyst True enough. And thanks for the time you put into it and the upload.
@@StarWarsAnalyst Now, now, c'mon man. Don't treat us like we're dumb. We do have working ears. The onscreen text said "masterpiece" but your voiceover said "MESSterpiece".
Look, you clearly weren't wild about Return of the Jedi, and you have every right to your opinion. But don't diss the movie and then pretend that you didn't. We're not children.
@@briantrash Ok fine it’s a mess-terpiece… there’s a lot of beauty within the garbage
Wrong. Return of the Jedi is not a favorite. Its the least liked of the original trilogy. Most people prefer Empire Strikes Back and A NEW Hope.
"Just as everything else in this movie this quickly gets turned upside down" 👏
I didn't realize until someone explained it to me that the whole movie turned _Star Wars_ upside-down with the big battle near the beginning, the Rebels not winning, and Luke literally upside-down on three planets (as they show here). However, if you consider _Return of the Jedi_ to be _The Empire Strikes Back: Part 2_ then they're a repeat of _Star Wars:_ Someone's captured, we meet a Jedi Master, they go to the rescue, the Jedi Master dies, then they destroy the Death Star.
To me the character of Echo has always reminded a lot of that of Lobo, above all for the head implant and also Echo was connected with many cables to the brain in The Clone Wars, just as seen in the comic album you mentioned.
Yeah, I immediately thought of Echo from episodes 2 and 3 of S7 when I saw that comic picture
@@DrAndyShick yeah.
I thought for years that Vader was just being nasty. I didn’t know he was summoning Luke with his pain.
If it wasn't for Han, Darth wouldn't have been grounded over that whole first Death Star thing.
Is the scenes with Boba Fett & Dengar fighting Rebels from a fan film? Also the scene with Boba Fett and Bossok shaking hands from a fan film?
I'm wondering the same exact thing. Whatever they are, I'd love to see more...
I’m guessing yes, because Boba’s gauntlets are maroon, like in RotJ, not green like in TESB.
I’m curious as well to find out what that’s from.
yes and yes - those are absolutely not deleted scenes from Lucas lol, people are tripping if they thought those real. The REAL scene is the extension of Vader's intro on the Star Destroyer bridge and the slow pan of Boba looking over at him with IG-88 and Dengar.
@@ia5662 Well, these days fan films trump a lot of Disney-fied subpar Star Wars content, so give us the fan films!😁
Hey everyone! These are in fact scenes from two fan films we have made - check out our channel if you’d like to see more 😊
I watched this scene as a kid. My initial thought was, "What? Is he afraid of needles?"
I saw the torture scene and I was not afraid. I think it was more about parents reaction you know the same parents who reacted to Grogu eating frog eggs.b
Leila: I love you.
Solo: I know.
That made me crack up
I would like to say a lot of what i have seen on YT are things that were in the original theatrical releases but no one remembers what they saw in the theater. I do remember a lot of these things and shame on Lucas for discounting the ppl who do as simple 'stupids".
Same, I remember them as well.... I think this is a bunch of made of crap lol Lucas himself didnt plan much for Boba Fett and even said he didnt see the big deal about him when he killed him off.
@@Xirmak I've heard them try to say that boba fett was in the original jabba scene.... that is total BS - he was edited in in the 1990's version.
Some would argue kids are too soft now. Growing up in the 80s I was used to torture lol - neighborhood bullies, bullies at school - falling out of trees etc
It's adorable to hear a millenial refer to gen x as soft.
Han getting tortured but not giving up his friends would of been awesome.
Oh back when movie directors cared about the viewers. the good times.
Before the dark time...
Lucas cared about the box office and merchandising. As he told Harrison Ford when they were making Return of the Jedi, a dead Han isn't going to sell toys.
As an actual 80's kid I have to say we could have handled it just fine.
Sometimes it's better to imagine it. Also, we need Lando's reactions to the situation to believe he's really going to side with them, and is not going to betray the Rebel fleet later, too.
0:55 I don't get it.
Well you see
The ship name, or things getting turned upside down?
@@OpinionParade The things getting turned upside down.
(Which was, of course, a joke)
The name of the ship is the
"Slave 1"
@@AllOfTheHallows No, I was doing a joke about the "upside down" part.
Dethklok torturing Rockso the Clown was the most accurate portrayal was funny AF.
Thank you for your interesting and informative post. I can well imagine that some scenes seem too brutal. when you consider that it was only in the 70's that scenes in films became more brutal. Today children play computer games that are very brutal. unfortunately.👩🚀
My brothers always told me that there were more to this scene in the cinema.
People may not be aware or remember that it took 30+ years for Lucasfilm to finally release Star Wars deleted scenes back in 2011 on the SW Saga BluRay box set....before that we only got little scraps, short clips, still photos (exception being some Star Wars deleted scenes included on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM).
Where are you getting all these amazing deleted/alternate scenes from ?
As far as I'm aware they've never been released in any official way.
One deleted scene that has yet to see the light of day is the scene on Jabba's sail barge where C3PO is translating an argument between 2 aliens (Ree-Yees and Yak-Face ?) with Salicious Crumb heckling them on.
The scene is included in the ROJ novelization as well as a color still frame of the scene.
If you can obtain that scene you will have satisfied a lifetime desire to see it released from the Lucasfilm vault.
Thanks and keep up the great work!
Was also hoping the scene would turn up on the 2011 BD set. Bummer.
Ree-Yees, is drunk and tries to punch Yak-Face but misses and hits '3-P0 instead.
1:57 interesting deleted footage.
how forget when Darth Vader forced Han Solo to hear early 2000s covers xd
Really wish that we got that initial bounty hunter scene as it played out here with Boba turning his head with a slow pan across IG-88 and Dengar. What an excellent introduction - it would have just added to all the other brief parts the ensued immediately following those shots. I really wish a few more of the bounty hunters had made contact either with the Falcon in space or initially on Cloud City, even the meteor. Would have added 5-10 minutes more to the movie but would have really upped the ante as far as showcasing the Empire's resources in finding fugitives like Han and crew.
I also highly disagree that the prior generation is soft, that is not even close to the truth - they just didn't need gratuitous violence and blood to get the point across. Irvin made the fantastic decision to show less of the torture - hearing Han's voice screaming is WAY more effective than actually seeing it. Showing less and allowing an intelligent audience to use their imaginations is always far scarier and a great way to maintain class and subtlety as a filmmaker. I always felt like Anakin's near death was so much hokier than I imagined it to be and so farfetched - in the 80s, we all knew he fell into a lava pit while fighting Obi-Wan, which left him deformed. It wasn't some ridiculous circus flip that got his preposterous 3 limbs lopped off - I mean, I don't care how good of a Jedi Obi-Wan was, that was so comical. I'd get one or maybe 2, but 3 limbs all at once while a dude is flipping over your head is just too pulpy and isn't grounded in realism.
That generation being soft was just a joke because I despise my snowflake generation
@ianA Bro, did you just include the world "realism" (as in lack thereof) in describing something linked with things involving stuff like the Force, lightsabers, and a world made up primarily of lava? So your suspension of disbelief was definitely intact the whole time, but only up until THAT specific part of action had occurred? After that your feelings became "Naw, this is totally unbelievable now. I was along for the ride, but that just totally killed it."
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@@karlepaul6632 in a film of fantasy, Lucas' approach absolutely grounded the script in as much realism as possible - what you are failing to understand that is space sci-fi to that point had either been schlocky Flash Gordon B-movie level pomp or completely sterile and pristine space like 2001: A Space Odyssey. George brought the gritty realism of the 70s into his movie, but injected it with heart and optimism not seen in other films of those days. Instead of Dirty Harry, he had Han Solo (who shot first), but still had the capacity for redemption from his greed in the closing scenes and comes through as a loyal friend. You're far too focused on the tapestry and backdrop to not see that the prequels jumped the shark in many places, even for a fantasy film.
@@StarWarsAnalyst haha I feel that sometimes, but I will always give ROTJ more credit than a lot of younger people do. It's really an epic movie and the Emperor scenes alone just sell the entire trilogy's scope and scale. Totally agree on Justice 4 Lobot!
We had Murphey becoming Robocop and the death of Optomis Prime... we were fine with it.
A millennial talks about us born in the 70s and 80s as soft. The irony
RotJ is the best Star Wars film (come at me bro)
Luke is a Jedi.
Death of Jaba.
Death of Yoda.
Death of Boba Fett.
Revelation of Lukes twin.
Best lightsaber fight (ever).
Force lightning introduced.
Vader's redemption.
Palpatine's death.
Vader's death.
End of the Empire.
Good guys win.
Trilogy is perfectly wrapped up (forget those sequels... 😬)
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You lost me at "kids were so sensitive back then" Seriously?
There is a no more "Pussified" Generation than Millennials.
As a millennial, I agree.
Put me in carbon-freeze until the reign of stupid is over.
He was obviously joking. Are you to sensitive to take a joke?
Headcanon: Han was tortured by watching Alden Ehrenreich's performance
Lol this actually made me laugh but I didn’t mind the solo movie compared to episode 8
Nice try in attempting to be funny. There was nothing wrong with his performance. He actually did a good job but by all means keep on hating hater.
If you think that generation was to soft then this generation is a bunch of melted marshmallows
I literally despise my current generation
@@StarWarsAnalyst Off topic, can you help me try to figure out how the Wampa Deleted scene in ESB would've played out if it were in the film? In the future, I'd love to make a cheesey fan edit and put the deleted scenes back in the film or at least watch them where they would've happened, but the timing of the scenes feels off to me? When does the Stormtroopers and Vader arrive at the Wampa door? Before or after Han and Leia reach the Falcon?
Even funnier when you realize the torture device was a toy that existed…we also had a droid kit that burned the feet of droids….ah pulling the limbs off 3peo was the day.
Sad they cut out so much content. I’d have loved this as a kid.
I heard once that Boba Fett was going to be reveal as the Younger brother of Vader, and I think somethings were keep, like Vader warning Boba no Desintegration!! The way Vader moves and threat Boba is like "dude you messed up!!! My boss gonna have your head if you keep killing them"
In 1977 at 5 years old I was terrified by the black interrogation droid with the needle.
I wonder if the scene with Lobot unconscious and connected to all those wires was the inspiration for Echo being used by the Separatists in The Clone Wars.
I'm pretty sure the scariest thing in ESB by far is Luke's hand getting cut off.
I can remember filming it like it was yesterday. It was the better part of a day getting setup and the shot right. It took a real toll on Harrison and I had to practically stop him from storming off set more than once. Then after all that, they more or less cut it all out. Just movie business I suppose.
If Lobot didn't want the Empire to stick cables in his head maybe they shouldn't have put sockets in his headgear?
Them: It’s too violent for kids.
80’s kids:
Pfffff.....please dude! Kids of the 70s and 80s are 10000000000x tougher than kids in the prequel era.
Would have been awesome! But instead we got a lot of scenes with Ewoks, just so they could cash in on the toy sales.
And to think ... for 40 years I've just been calling him "Headphones Guy."
It wasn't 80's kids so much as it was 90's kids. My parents have one of the og VHS releases of Star Wars and this scene was in it, I grew up knowing this was there (along with the bit of Owen and Beru) and skipped it. The scene was dropped in the DVD release entire, as far as the family SW collection goes.
According to the Han Solo Trilogy, "No disintegrations" is something you've got to specify when posting any bounty, not just Boba's.
Actually ROTJ is one of my favorites and it may be sacrilegious to say but I enjoyed it more than empire, sure the Ewoks were a bit corny but I loved the way there was so much going on, with the space battle, Endor battle and Luke with Vader, all at the same time and all hinged on the other.
I distinctly remember when the teaser-trailer first dropped, and we saw a quick-cut of Luke and Vader beside each other, not fighting (when Luke surrenders to Vader and they are on the lift), and that feeling of "I HAVE TO SEE THIS!"