As a woman, who likes to play games, I find this add so annoying! I am overweight, but I love looking at attractive characters. They make me want to work out and be healthy.
I am a forth dimensional object. You cannot contain my incomprehensible form and motives in your pathetic human games nor minds! Now excuse my while I go have forth dimensional dinner with my forth dimensional family at forth dimensional Olive Garden.
@@Gengh13 its a lot farther from the reality then it was say 15 years ago since the gaming populace has expanded to include all groups instead of just the nerds and geeks
It's so bizarre that they think gaslighting people and demanding they love them and find them beautiful is the way to go. Just makes them all the more repulsive.
Imagine if they get the relationship they're fighting for. They end up married to a man who actually hates her guts but can't say so, there is no physical component, nor was there ever any affection, and the 'relationship' is just a public show.
@@AntonioCunningham Dude I learned that lesson back in freaking middle school when playing runescape lol. I'd change over to a girl because there were so many dudes willing to give you free shit and crazy handouts just on the off chance you might actually be a girl, plus everyone would be so much more nice and helpful. Every game I've ever played the male gamers werent gatekeepers like "hey a girl, get the fuck outa our game!", if anything it was the exact opposite. A single girl would log into cod or halo and you'd have 5 losers all desperately tripping over themselves backwards trying to be friends/help out the girl. Guys respond with excitement when they find out an attractive girl likes games, they dont get angry. I'm so sick of this stupid narrative getting spread.
If I tell a person that they're fat, I'll get in trouble. Her tone of voice was meant to be demeaning and also a touch of jealousy. It's become a one way street that is filled with cars just honking their horns.
I got real fat and got diabetes. I lost 80lb and am doing better. Didn't go to the gym, just changed my diet. Telling people they're fine being obese isn't doing them any favors.
Evidently, it's NOT possible to NOT be a bigot to these folks so, guess we just need to accept our bigotry. Ok, accepted, now, what was I doing before? Lol
If there is no dragons for them to slay they can’t feel like heroes, and they can’t show off how virtuous they are, so they create dragons to slay, or something like that. :p
@@adrigl3371 If they were in a world with dragons the dragons would slaughter them like ants against a drivable lawnmower then get praised as heroes by all the rest of the small 2 legged folk gain over 5 million reputation XP and there wouldn't be anyone left to pass down the mental illness called "woke." Believe me I know. I am a dragon myself.
This, but unironically. I hate fat people. I hate women. I hate a certain group of people whose slur I can't use without this comment getting deleted, and the only reason I don't just say it anyway is because I want people to see this. They might be able to censor the word, but they can't stop me from expressing the sentiment, and they can't erase the sentiment from my heart. I would put these people in the queue for Mr. Chippy if I could.
Dove is owned by Unilever, which also owns 5 ice cream brands: Ben & Jerrys, Breyers, Klondike, Magnum, and Popsicle. Of course their beauty brand will say it's good, healthy, and beautiful to be as fat as can be. "Fill up on ice cream, you brave beauties!"
I am a female who loved all the original Tomb Raider games as a kid. Lara Croft was gorgeous and inspirational. As a result, I worked out a lot in real life to be like her. (some of her assets never developed on me, but whatever...😆)
I love how Lara in the original game can, if you choose to, pull off an insane pull up, into handstand, then gracefully bend and flip into a regular upright stand when hanging from a ledge with space to stand above. Was this realistic? No, but it looked soo badass to pull off at least once in a while.
As a casual gamer and a woman, when I play female characters I go for the cool athletic and attractive ones, which are almost all for a good reason. I don't see myself represented nor attacked by someone who is more attractive than me, specially fictional ones.
@@bobowon5450 Yep. And yet there's people about whom 99% of people will agree they're beautiful, smart, or whatever it is. Ideals exist for a reason, and they are a good thing. Except for people with no desire whatsoever of working on themselves.
@@Yarblocosifilitico beauty is based in welth and helth. In the 18th century a little chubby was attractive because it signaled the ability to eat well when many could not. But in the same century if you were over 300lbs. That was seen as a sin called gluttony. Today when food is plentiful. We see personal fitness and self control as markers of wisdom. Also for women if thay get to big then thay might have complications in childbirth. People have beauty preferences for lagitament biological and psychological reasons.
@@johnjay370 Agreed but there's also a purely biological aspect of it. Fit man = active man that can hunt and protect. At the end of the day, it's as simple as that, it's in our core because we're very advanced animals, but still animals.
@@Yarblocosifilitico yes but there's more to life then survival. Even the ancients had free time or play time. Almost anything can be deconstructed into a survival component. It up to man to rise up above his programming and become more then the animal.
So wait... when she takes off her armor she's fat? This is catfishing to the extreme. She ought to be ashamed of herself. As if all that would fit under that armor. I bet alot of heavy set women would kill for that armor.
I can actually see armor like that existing in a fantasy setting. We already somehow have armor with lots of external invisible "pocket dimension" storage space for inventory - all you need is to apply that concept to the inside. And maybe take some health risks, but that's a pretty normal price for looks.
@@DanaOtken but the inventory is disconnected from the rest of the world. stuff in the inventory most times is completely halted, so if you shove your body into this dimension it stops working. this probably means a lot of medicinal problems but i'm no medic so all i'm saying is: in an armor like this you can't access your stored fat and therefore never lose weight. you have to take it off for workout.
@@BayWa4eva I would expect that from the perspective of somebody investing in armor like this as opposed to just removing the fat, preservation of the fat would be the point. (Alternatively, it's possible that if this became popular enough it would lead to developing more advanced magitech for storage space to reduce the medical problems. So far that idea hasn't seemed to work out in the real world with various forms of cosmetic surgery, but hope springs eternal.)
I've been on several dating sites for a very long time and one thing I've noticed from the profiles of women who took the time to fill one out is that a majority are very detailed about what they want in the look of a man and that's usually skinny, fit, in shape, etc., no one is asking for bigger guys, and even the plus size women want in shape men who also accept them for their size🤷
If they all think theyre 10's, and women date across and up the hierarchy... theyre all looking only for 10 guys. So even a lizzo thinks she is a 10. As such, you filthy 5-rated looking guy will never get any woman in the lefts ideal world. In a sense, good. Better to have the stronger genes pass into the future. But you are going to have a lot of upset lazy people. I dont mean to rate you a 5. Im saying the average guy, in their estimation, doeant deserve anything except servitude to the system. Bend over, democracy is coming.
Every woman wants a man who’s At least 6’ At least 6 figures At least 6 packs At least 6” But god forbid a man prefer a woman who’s got less than 6 chins.
@@samuelpatton5148 in college I 2015 I actually used that in my bio 666 6 foot 6 pack 6 inches Literally none of those apply to me lol but it worked well getting matches 😂🤣
I saw the ad. Maybe if some of these women went adventuring they’d lose the weight. Pretty sure this character would have to stop every few feet to catch her breath. That would be a vicious challenge level. Not fit enough to battle enemies or run away from them.
@@blacksheep9505 +99 water retention. (For real, though. I've lost 70 pounds in two years, and I can honestly say the work is worth the reward. Why these people prefer delusion to self-improvement, and then try to shame gamers of all people is beyond me.)
I'd love to see the real woman that character is based on try to jump around and do flips like that. Or do any of the physical stuff that would be in that hypothetical game without being completely winded. (By the way, I'm overweight, I couldn't do it either, but I'm not insisting that characters doing athletic things in video games must be my size.)
The whole "plus sized women" vs "fat men" thing is also insulting to women imo. As if the media is implicitly saying that women just cannot handle the same brutally honest terms that men can. That they need to be "protected" from these terms or something.
To be fair... considering how "Men talking shit while gaming" to women is somehow a major oppressive issue while men shit talking to each other has been a thing since...forever (and usually much harsher) and no one has a problem with it....it does feel like you need special gloves when dealing with one of the two genders...based on their own demands.
@@ricardokojin7 When I used to play competitive games with voice chat a lot, and when I'd get shit for being a girl, I'd just fire back at them with equal shit-talk. 9 times out of 10 we'd all end up laughing and everyone would go on with the game. If you have a thin skin and demand to be treated differently, you're going to have a bad time.
Liberals may classify women as a "minority" but that doesn't change the fact that women out number men 30 to 1. And there is nothing unattractive women and bitches who treat men like shit fear more than men finding out that with a straight face and with no heart ach if 1 woman is ugly out of shape or a bitch immediately fleeing from her presence and asking a younger prettier woman if she is interested instead.
Okay, so the characters that run for hours straight, often suffer from lack of food, constantly do acrobatics or heavy parkour, and are under extreme stress suring the entire storyline are supposed to be obese? They want us to give reality based credence to the appearance factor, then explain that to me.
They've been attacking gamers for years on this crap. Oh by the way I'm pretty sure the dove parent company also owns an ice cream company, do what you will with that information
@@Eidolon1andOnly yes thank you I couldn't remember the name. All products that tend to make you overweight if you over indulge in them. Fit people generally don't buy too much of that stuff. How do you save your profit margins? Start a "beautiful at any size" campaign, encourage obesity. Sinister ain't it?
@@osets2117 Slavs eat tons of mayonnaise, but tend to be very fit. Of course, they wouldn't touch Hellmanns unless there was nothing else available, it is the best of the disgusting crap that the Americans make, but still
I think the depression and body image issues young women feel have nothing to with comics or videogames, and everything to do with looking at more attractive, higher status women on social media. If a teen girl is used to getting 20 likes on her photos, but watches the hottest, most popular girl in school get 1000 likes, she is going to feel depressed about that. The likes almost serve as an objective measure of the chasm between them. Sure the average girl will be attractive to lots of guys, but she will never have the access to the highest status of guy that she dreams of, which the girl who gets 50 times the likes she does will have. And that hurts.
When it seems like your worth as a girl is based only on your looks it sux and it does make you depressed. It often feels like while "ugly" men have other fields they can be successful in, "ugly" women do not. Is it objective? Not always. Often it's not. But this preconception is still strong.
@@desarc6855 that's also a consequence of feminism. Not to say women who want to be mothers don't care about appearance, but it certainly affects them much less when they have the prospects and motivations to be a mother. It certainly isn't for every woman, but it's very obviosu that motherhood has a massive effect on most women's perception of themselves.
@@Memorywholed lol, it's quite opposite, actually. The more conservative a society is the higher is the female beauty standard and the more looks matter. To get married (and have children) you must win a man, for that you must be good looking. And if you are not married and with no kids you are a loser and a leftover woman. No matter your career, your education and overall life. That's why since an early age girls are constantly judged by their appearances and openly shamed for it. The preconception discussed is rooted in this. I'm from quite a conservative country with even more conservative neighbours, so I know how it works. However, western feminism of the last 10-15 years have become some weird thing and their ways of addressing problems are sometimes illogical. Poor Aloy, really.
@@desarc6855 That's because we, as a society, don't usually teach girls to hone their capacities and skills anymore, specially in media. They grow up being told that they are either an accessory to someone else by the Andrew Taters only valued for their looks or on the other extreme they are told that they are perfect and don't need to try and do anything because woman. Both extremes are harmful and don't give incentive for them to learn.
@@williansnobreYep, one bunch treats women like subhumans, the other shouts 'YAS, QUEEN' and insults men. They're two sides of the same coin, you can toss it all you like, but the result is shitty regardless.
what advertising and activists do not take into account is that the physical exertion experienced by the game character is in many ways more intense than the gym
I think the data is even more extreme than you point out. Dating app data reveal that about 80% of men are an automatic "no" for most women, whereas up to 80% of women were a "yes" to most men. See Modern Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson interview with the data scientist from the dating app Hinge. This wasn't too much of a problem before dating apps because physical beauty is relatively less important in determining mate choice for women. Still important, but not as much as it is for men. The thing is that men are also more easily satisfied: if a woman is healthy ( has the typical markers of good genetic baggage: symmetry, proportionality) and younger (the typical markers of fertility or reproductive good health). No particular upper percentile of income, or social standing, no particular low-frequency height. Cheers!
It was mentioned that overweight women who go to the gym are more attractive. I'd say the biggest reason why, is that they are comfortable enough with their flaws that they can acknowledge them, and work to improve. The fat acceptance crowd can't accept their flaws, so they demand everyone else do it for them. Avoid people who need affirmation from others.
The thing is, it's not like you need to attract every single person. You just need to attract one. And no matter what you look like, there are people out there who will be fine with it.
As a male gamer the only issue I have with larger women being in games is the same as bigger men, it’s highly unbelievable that someone who has trouble breathing could do all what we’re shown.
The avatar is definitely slimmer in that side by side photo. They're being hypocritical by still improving the looks of the avatar vs the real model. They'd still be wrong with their overall statement, but they'd be less wrong if they kept her real proportions.
I have a different world view of how women should present themselves (being a Christian and a gamer). I do believe women should take care of themselves; including dressing nicely, watching our weight, etc. I don’t limit this to just women, of course. Men should have similar standards.
it's crazy that something as basic as that is seen as controversial nowadays. If we continue like this, people are going to start shaming scientists because they say you need to drink water in order to survive...
@@Yarblocosifilitico I don't want to make you nervous but somewhere out there are people who believe they only need sunlight as food source. There are even people who starved themselves because of that ideology.
Shad, the data(dating sites)shows based solely on physical looks, over 80% of men are considered highly unattractive. Were as for women its was around 50 50, meaning most are considered average or decent looking. Also the reasons for women going to such lengths to look attractive is to attract the top 20% of men(and that mean competing with every other women for these extreme limited number of men). That and its a means of survival, as being attractive tends to help garner more protection and provisions from men. Men too also do go to such lengths, but are massively limited on what they can do(which is basically just physically fitness, and dress), as female standards for men are much more extreme. For instance you can't just magically grow taller, nor grow an amazing chiseled jawline ect(there are extremely painful, expensive and time consuming surgeries, but even they are limited in what can be achieved). So as a man your either born good looking or your not. PS: for the circus out there, I'm strictly referring to the physical here and not other factors as status, power an capability.
I remember being in a relationship long term and getting visibly and OBVIOUSLY fat due to complacency and going with my then GF to the GP and after being weighed, the GP (female) flat out refused to say I was overweight or that it was a problem. I had to ask her to be direct and she just squirmed with her clip board in her hand and no no you're not big it's fine. Like WTF? Thankfully I didn't need anyone to tell me but it does go to show how bad the issue is.
Makes me miss my childhood doctor. He was brutally honest. I played American Football and was a lineman and every time he saw me he told me I needed to lose 20 lbs, and incidentally he was right. Now I had a lot of muscle on me at the time, but I had a gut too, and I while my doctor told me to lose weight the football coaches wanted me to gain weight. Lol
I have struggled with a condition that makes me gain weight quickly while having major issues with losing weight my whole life, but, already as a child, realized I couldn't just hide behind my condition and began working out hard. I finally got fit and life became much better. I have gained weight again after a major bout of depression, but I'm on my way to becoming fit again, and I would recommend it for everyone. Being fit and healthy makes everything feel and taste better, and it is a great way to break free from depression and bad thoughts. BTW) I make fat characters in video games, but then they're usually either joke characters or tank character, to show that they have a lot of HP (indicated by belly size)
Dove is the brand that should follow bud light into an early grave. This stuff has got to stop and the only way to sto them is to hurt their wallets. Let them make this stuff and then just dont buy it from them. You are not obligated to patronize anyone... yet
False stereo type I think. Most gamers I know shower and clean up a lot simply because sitting your filth is even noticeable to you. It's the non gamers that think they don't stink and walk around without cleaning up themselves.
Take a look into ESG scores. Part of the reason a lot of companies are suddenly doing this more is having a good ESG score is required to be lent money so they can continue to finance their company.
My family and I will be shopping for alternatives to Dove from now on. I'm a guy who's been overweight for most of his life and while I was largely OK with that, I knew it was unhealthy and wouldn't help me in the dating scene but I never begrudged any women that didn't find me attractive as a result. Last year though I finally got the motivation I needed to lose weight. I've lost 40 pounds since then with a goal of losing 60. Don't get to visit the gym or do much physical exercise overall due to a busy schedule but found great weight loss success simply from cutting almost all sugar, eliminating snacks and shrinking my meal portions. It felt immensely satisfying when I had to start wearing an old, smaller belt and noticed certain shirts weren't as snug as before.
@@Arcexey Thanks. I'm trying. Think I've hit a weight-loss plateau through dieting alone so I need to start exercising more to keep going. Probably need to fix my sleep schedule first though as I'm constantly low energy.
@@lordtrinen2249 you sound like you have exactly the right idea to approach this and are not deluding yourself. imo the more people you notify about your schedule and involve in keeping that going is how to win
Listening to you guys talk, I think a thing you are missing (Tyranth in particular) with female beauty vs male attractiveness is fashion, hierarchy, and genetics. Tyranth is placing a lot of weight on attainable attractiveness such as weight management and muscle, which are important factors in male attractiveness (ties to productivity), but for women face symmetry, bone shape, body proportions (boobs, ass, hips...), skin condition, hair condition, and other similar factors are, I think, far more important then they are for men. Some of them like skin and hair can be helped by diet and products (skin condition is a large part of why makeup is so prevalent), but some are not changeable at all (without serious surgery). Factor in female competitiveness and/or conformity with each other, and female hierarchy, and how that ties to fashion, and women can be under a lot of pressure to look a way they just can't, with the ghost of a primordial instinctive axe ready to fall if she can't (far as I understand it, female hierarchy, conformity and competition is about old tribal instincts, conforming to the group to indicate one is part of the group and thus qualifies for it's resources and protection, while seeking to find a good place in the group hierarchy, hence conformity and competition. Historically we mostly did this with clothes and other material presentation, but post WW1 and 2 and the fashion shift from clothes to the body following fabric rationing it's become very toxic as bodies themselves became fashion, bringing genetics into play like never before). Edit: to clarify, I am not opposed to presenting female attractiveness, just pointing out why women are indeed more sensitive, and some of the differences between female beauty and male attractiveness which Tyranth doesn't seem to understand. Also not saying that men are not impacted by pressure to be attractive, but working out can be an easier/healthier/cheaper rout to improving that compared to things like plastic surgery that in some places is so common among women it's normal.
I was commenting this with my wife and we ended talking about your "boobarmour" video and how the bodies are designed for different challenges and as she is pregnant my role in the wild would be protect her while her supports this new life. And that is something only she can do (as a real woman).
The common irony is that as a result of some studies animation and comic artists actually shifted away from the extreme female forms such as the "only achievable with lethal corset" standards to what they were 20ish years ago. The body types then were achievable for women.
Actually, Shad reviewing stuff knights have no business reviewing, would be hugely entertaining! Shad investigates effectiveness of big brand panty sheilds, which drain cleaner works best, which body massager from wish is best value etc
In case you don't know already, Dove is a brand owned by the Unilever corporation. Their website has a fully accessible list of all the other products they make and sell under other brand umbrellas. Hellman's, Best Foods, Axe, Knorr, Magnum ice cream, Lipton tea, Vaseline, Pepsident, Pond's and Close-up toothpaste are all brands under the Unilever umbrella.
I think it’s possible to accept yourself as you are while striving for self improvement. Life can get in the way of self care and I think that’s a prominent issue humans face. Being able to balance a healthy lifestyle is a skill that needs to be honed. Without the determination or drive, people let themselves go and choose to cope rather than choosing to take care of themselves. It’s sad. Take care of your mind and body 🙌
The avatar only seems thinner because her stomach is shaped differently. The real model's belly sags such that she has to tuck a decent portion of it into her pants. The avatar's belly is the same size, but firmer, so she doesn't have as much of a gut and seems less fat. Which just goes to show you that everyone has some understanding of attractiveness that they can't help but conform to.
Old Spice is a Proctor & Gamble product, not Unilever. Unilever is also the company called out in Chapter 7 of "Woke, Inc" by Vivek Ramaswamy for virtue signaling with UN Women, while denying to help protect it's Kenyan Tea Plant workers from violence.
I am playing video games and pen & paper for some 30ish years now, more close to 35, and I literally never - N E V E R - even once created a character to look like me. Sometimes I made characters representing my reallife skill set (mostly in pen & paper), but never in my own image. Why? I do not need to roleplay myself. I do not WANT to roleplay myself. I AM me already. I want escapeism, not selfrepresentation. Almost all game characters would die before reaching the age you are playing them at, if they where obese, or wouldn't be doing what the game is about in the first place. Adventuring as an obese person? First enemy you need to run from? Dead. Almost all sports as an obese person? Instant loss. Platforming as an obese person? Not. You literally can't jump. And the list goes on. This is simply absurd.
studies show that about 95% of wemon find 80% of men unattractive so ya lets try to make men like fat wemon like thats going to help anyone great work dove.
The one thing I have noticed is that people who are trumping around with this, are often not noce people at all. Even if they were attractive to me, I still wouldn't want to hang around them. Pure due their bad personality.
Whenever I’ve seen people play fat characters, it’s usually because the player finds the idea of it funny. Because they know how ridiculous it looks for this character to be doing stuff like rock climbing, kung-fu, seducing hot women, etc. They don’t do it because they are as narcissistic as the “75%” that claim we need to see themselves.
As a woman who loves playing games, especially games with character customization, I’ve never wanted to have larger body types as an option. And I remember playing games like Mass Effect Andromeda and Elden Ring, and there were so many girls sharing their specs for their character for how they got their characters to look traditionally pretty. Because what those games gave you as presets made it VERY difficult to achieve that. I think generally women want to look at traditionally beautiful characters in general. This ad is pandering and stupid.
Yeah, my wife has given up on several games because character creations tries its hardest to stop you from making an attractive character. The games that she does get through, she always chooses the most attractive female characters and it always seems to positively motivate her.
I mean, in the KOTOR MMO, it's maybe worth it to play as an obese bounty hunter. They get jetpacks. Nothing is scarier than having a 600 lb half-human, half-hutt hovering 20 ft above your head executing the "Death From Above" attack.
(sigh) This is one of those topics that advertisers so often mess up, usually because their true goal is to sell product. When the messages is “healthy is beautiful at any size” that’s great, because there are individuals who will never match beauty standards no matter what they do but who can strive to be healthy and take some care for their appearance (clean and tidy), which does impart a degree of attractiveness. And being able to accept oneself with a reasonable standard for one’s individual circumstances is necessary for mental health. But when the message is “beautiful at any size, no matter how unhealthy” then it’s parting company with reality and turns just as destructive as “beauty only exists within this limited size range.”
Around 36 minutes, you ask about feeding represented in Tetris. Well, I've been called a square before, and there is a square in the game. So yes. Yes I feel represented in Tetris
Well, that's the big elephant in the room nowadays isn't it? "No, I don't have to except reality, or your preferences! If you prefer this over me, then you are A, B, C, D or even E!" And shame on you for even questioning me! Same time: "Eww, I'm not dating that creepy guy! I deserve more! I deserve Super-Chad aka. six pack, 6ft, net worth at least 600K..." Reasoning: Because patriarchy! This whole narrative that's been creeping up for the last few years is just otherworldly. Like many other "popular viewpoints" nowadays... And at this point, it's not even bothering me. It's just too ridiculous to take serious. As is this Dove campaign. A PR person at a soap company isn't in the position to tell me anything about gaming, or my preferences, be it irl. or in gaming. 🤗
"Attraction isn't a choice. We cannot control who we are attracted to, only what attractions we act upon. People should not be condemned for loving who they love." The biggest sign to me that the Left left me is that I am using the exact same arguments against them that I used for them a decade ago.
"I just want the video game character to represent me!" but this character is a mass murderer, thief, and celebrity hero of the realms? "no that's fine I'm only talking about looks."
@@marcogenovesi8570 they're selling to women, not men. Us men will find the cheapest cleansing product they can. or just use whatever their wife bought and not even think about it.
I actually have a number of thoughts about this whole thing... but I'll limit this to just a few; I'm guessing this will still be long. - I can attest to that concept of how loving a person makes that person seem like the most beautiful person in the world to you. Some years ago, there was a woman whom I became close friends with, and eventually there came a point when I realized I'd fallen in love with her. It took me by surprise, in part because, if I'm being truly honest, I wasn't physically attracted to her. She was kind of heavy --- and even if she weren't, some men might have found her attractive, but I still don't think I would have found her to be "my type." But she was one of the best friends I ever had, she showed me love during times when I desperately needed it, and (I mean this as the highest possible compliment) she was already motherly just by instinct. She just knew when to be firm, and when to be gentle in dealing with people; and the only times you'd see her get truly angry were in situations where she was trying to defend or protect others, especially children. I felt happier when I was with this friend, I felt like it was safe to be my real self around her, we were equally willing to let one another take the lead at different times, and since we both worked at a job taking care of children, I already had some idea of what it was like to work alongside her in a family-like environment. And that's how I developed enough interest to want to see if she and I might have liked being more than friends. I had to temporarily say goodbye to her when I left for school, but when I returned home at the end of that school year, I was eager to reconnect, and maybe see if we could have any further relationship. ...And then the day before I was going to call her and ask to meet up, she was killed by a reckless driver. It's been eight years since then, and even though I've been able to experience other loves and losses with other women... it still hurts. I've needed to move on, yes. But I still love her. And I just want to say, attractive or not, she was and always will be exceedingly beautiful to me. - Story aside, I agree with the vast majority of what you discussed here. Thank you for expressing all of that. Just one thing I wanted to add: yes, in most cases, tackling obesity is a simple matter of eating less, eating better foods, and exercising more. It's as simple (albeit difficult) as that. But in some cases, there are further complications, like hormonal problems, faulty organs, and things that may need to be addressed with surgery, medication, and/or therapy, in addition to those changes in eating and exercise habits. So, I'm not totally on-board with Dove's idea of "treat all people as equally attractive;" I think they're taking their idea too far. But I do try to be sensitive towards people who may have weight problems that stem from more than just overeating/lack of exercise. I just want to make sure to mention them. - 35:47 "Do you feel represented in Tetris?" Ha ha ha! Amazing. But it so happens that yes, I do. Since my real name starts with a "T," every time I drop a T-shaped block, it feels like signing one of my initials into the game. So there. - Surprisingly, there are a few of these "body positivity" ads that Dove has done, which I actually appreciated. Definitely not this one --- goodness no, ABSOLUTELY not this one --- and a number of their other ads leave me just as perplexed, or sometimes even annoyed. But for instance, there was one ad about... what do we tend to call it? "Social media image control?" I mean the concept where people, especially young people, feel pressured to constantly present themselves on social media as dazzlingly pretty, or always impressive, and essentially, "perfect." The ad shows a teenage girl putting on make-up, setting the light in the room just right, using a photo filter, and... I think I remember she even uses photo editing software before uploading the picture. But the ad plays this whole scenario in reverse, and in the end (which is the beginning) you see how sad and lonely this girl is, who is still pretty... but ordinary. When I saw that ad I thought, "Yes, THAT is an issue we really need to address. Even if this PSA came from a cosmetics company, thank you for doing that." But this one? Yeah, as you laid out, representation in video games is not the issue they made it out to be. - On the topic of the brand, and you wanting to stop using it... well, the bad news is, the parent company of Dove is Unilever. If you want, you can look up Unilever's Wikipedia page, and in the margin you can click a link that says "See list of brands." They own a lot of food, drink, home care, and hygiene and beauty products. It might be hard to even remember all the brands they own, let alone avoid all of them. Still... good luck, if you want to try. OK. As I said, this was long. But I'm done now. Thanks again, you guys, and have a good day.
I don't have time to watch the video at this point but I read your comment. I'm sorry for what happened. I had a huge crush on a girl when we were about 12-14 after which it stopped. Turns out she had bad trauma and mental problems and she ended her life when she was 15. I don't want to lie and say it affects me anywhere near where it seems your trauma affects you. But it's this and other things in my life that prove to me how difficult it is to move on. So yeah I feel you. I find that I've become kind of desensitized to things like this which is interesting cause I'm just 20, so it wouldn't feel genuine if I told you something like "don't give up" cause I think the reason people say this is typically emotional, whereas I'm sure you've heard this before so I don't really feel like it's even appropriate for me to repeat it. What I was thinking instead is that maybe there is some good in that you still feel it, that you feel something. If I was in your place I would probably not feel as bad because like I said I'm kinda desensitized, but I'm wondering whether that's ultimately a good thing or not. I was recently (and kind of still am) in a situation where I found some new friends who I think are really cool people, but funnily enough I don't feel like either is my type physically either. This really got me thinking about how much do looks matter and stuff. I'm aware of the idea that love makes someone more attractive. But here I am wondering if I can even develop a level of love that is sufficient for that, cause what I really mean by desensitized is there seems to be a barrier against all emotions in my mind, even good ones. And I can't even hazard a guess about what would happen to me if this barrier would be hypothetically lifted. Cause I'm just not used to feeling things very vividly anymore. Only with that all being said do I feel like I could say to you don't give up, and keep struggling. Whether it will be better or not is not certain. But here are some of my reasons to believe that an alternative such as closing emotions off with this barrier isn't any better than what it's trying to solve, even if they're coming from a kid.
There's no way she was able to squeeze into that armour. On a side note Nioh 2 has a good character creator, if you're one of those "bigots" who likes attractive characters. lol
Just wanted to mention that losing weight actually isn't always that easy. There are many factors that can lead to becoming overweight, and a person can be eating healthy, exercising, and doing all the normal recommendations but still be unable to lose weight. I do believe that becoming overweight is unhealthy, and slimming down is better, but don't assume just because someone has weight to lose that they're eating chips and chocolate all day. My sister has struggled with her weight for years in spite of eating healthy and trying to exercise regularly, and had to try nearly a dozen different weight-loss diets before finding one that a) had any effect and b) she could sustain. Her working theory is that something happened with her liver while she was in the navy. So here's my hot take on this: we shouldn't be shaming anyone for their body type. We should be supportive of the person, and help them achieve healthy goals, but never try to shame them into changing.
5:43 Yes, more value is placed on women's appearance, but but there is higher standards for MALE attractiveness than female attrctiveness. Men have to be supermodels to be attractive, women can be curvy or skinny or fit, it doesn't matter. The difference is male attractiveness has very little value, only gay men care about attractive men.
Games are supposed to be about losing yourself in a fantasy and having fun not being yourself for a time. For instance I’m having loads of fun playing Tears of the Kingdom. Am I hylian or a man? No. Can I relate to the emotions the characters feel in this game? Yes because it’s well written and well done. Only thing I have in common with link is that we’re both small in height. 😂
I agree. I never understood this constant need for people to "see themselves" in games and cinema. I can only speak for me, but I've never watched a show or movie or played a game because the character "looked like me" and if I have the option to create my own character, invariably I usually make an attractive female character, 'cos I like the fantasy of it. (I'm a guy)
The body positivety movement was, and always will be doomed to fail. You can't force people to find a certain bodytype beautiful. And yes fit and attractive bodies inspired me to do better. Since I got into He-Man, I've been going to the gym big time to build myself. Because I want to cosplay as him.
Ah, yes. Promoting disease. Daddy Nurgle approves! Discriminating against people with health issues is wrong. Glorifying health issues is ALSO wrong. Obesity reduces life expectancy and can be crippling even before that; it's not something to be proud of, and absolutely not attracted to. As an unathletic male, I've never seen buff heroes as something worth emulating. Rather, I find them annoying to look at, possibly because I value brain over brawns and barbarians clearly aren't good spellcasters. That said, I do care for my health and that of people around me, and when I make a self-insert character I go for an elvish look. Do I feel represented in games? Why the snuff would I want to be represented in games? I'm a boring real-life human, if I want representation I'll play Real Life!
19:59 What sucks is that Dove actually did an ad about a month or so ago called the "Self-Esteem Project" about the pressures that teenage girls face from social media that I thought was pretty well done. It was not nearly as tone deaf as this one was. One step forward, two steps back.
I know in the ad it was more focused on the fact that she has more “real” proportions compared to the fictional character. (Which I find that in general ironic since I have more in common with the “fake” body only by the fact that I’m skinny but I digress). However what I keep seeing more of in female characters that really annoys me is the fact that their proportions are made to resemble men. Or that their designs just look more masculine- all in the attempt to “desexualize” said character… by making them less like a female… that’s what truly pisses me of about this whole damn movement on removing good looking female characters- it’s just yet another way of just erasing what makes us different from men. I mean the only acceptable “fit woman” in woke things is a buff masculine one, even if arguably that’s a more unrealistic body for women to conform to compared to just being thin.
Weight and beauty standards has varied greatly over centuries and continents and culture and will continue to do so. I would love to see a video exploring the topic.
I’m 24 and male, I’m not only in the gym because of these strong masculine characters but they also helped guide me to be a better person. I had amazing parents and they obviously get 90% of the credit but role models are important. Not what they look like but how they act. I’m also the kind of gamer that will spend hours making my character and a lot of the time I do want them to look like me, just more muscular, maybe slightly handsomer.
As a woman, who likes to play games, I find this add so annoying! I am overweight, but I love looking at attractive characters. They make me want to work out and be healthy.
You get motivated to be better and healthier? Well we can't have that
@@als3022so it seems, at least according to twitter :'D
Aspiration is bigotry!
Cuz you are normal girl. Not idiot.
Fatphobia REEEEEE!! Lol! Me too,I really want to lose weight and have been working on it 😄
If Dove likes them so much, they can date them.
I've never seen doves CEO, but if you look up a picture of his wife I can almost guaranty she's not fat
It I s a well known fact in the marketing industry that Unilever uses Dove to help push their food products. That’s why this is happening.
@PL-D2 More fat. More soap
@PL-D2 more fat, more sweat, more deodorant
@bigbird4481 Dove's CEO is Suzy Sammons, and she is a thin blonde woman
Shad: “Do you feel represented in Tetris?”
Me: “No, cause I identify as a circle.” 😂
Me im a fucking square.
I am a forth dimensional object. You cannot contain my incomprehensible form and motives in your pathetic human games nor minds! Now excuse my while I go have forth dimensional dinner with my forth dimensional family at forth dimensional Olive Garden.
This is the best comment.lmao
@@theMyouknowI first read this as "Me im fucking a square"
Dove just told us that 75% of women gamers are chunky. If I was a woman I’d be pissed….unless corpos want all gamers fat
Well in the US that's not that far from reality.
if they count women who only play on their phones I'd be inclined to believe that statistic.
@@Gengh13 its a lot farther from the reality then it was say 15 years ago since the gaming populace has expanded to include all groups instead of just the nerds and geeks
@@Angelic_Hero you are forgetting that in the US more than 50% of the population is at least overweight.
@@Gengh13Is it because their pizza is more fat than in Italia?
Your informal survey concluding that 99% of men like swords is probably more accurate than Dove's survey.
I like swords. They're comfy and easy to wear!
Wait shit-
@@KopperNeoman I like swords, they're swingy and easy to hold!
Wait, Dammit they got me too
I like swords! It's fun to stabby stabby..
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It's so bizarre that they think gaslighting people and demanding they love them and find them beautiful is the way to go. Just makes them all the more repulsive.
Imagine if they get the relationship they're fighting for. They end up married to a man who actually hates her guts but can't say so, there is no physical component, nor was there ever any affection, and the 'relationship' is just a public show.
"74% of girls feel underrepresented in video games"
me, a female who happens to game: _looks at all my buff, hot male characters_
And a ton of guys play as hot female characters as well, myself included.
@@SteamS01dierThat's why I stopped treating female characters better than male ones.
Men using female characters in games cured me from my sexism.
@@AntonioCunningham Dude I learned that lesson back in freaking middle school when playing runescape lol. I'd change over to a girl because there were so many dudes willing to give you free shit and crazy handouts just on the off chance you might actually be a girl, plus everyone would be so much more nice and helpful. Every game I've ever played the male gamers werent gatekeepers like "hey a girl, get the fuck outa our game!", if anything it was the exact opposite. A single girl would log into cod or halo and you'd have 5 losers all desperately tripping over themselves backwards trying to be friends/help out the girl. Guys respond with excitement when they find out an attractive girl likes games, they dont get angry. I'm so sick of this stupid narrative getting spread.
I too am a "cross player". I just prefer making female characters.
Hell yea sister
Fun fact: Dove is owned by Unilever, which also owns several ice cream brands, so body positivity is a self preservation tactic on their part.
SUS
Some people also comment Dove want their customer have larger body so they can sell more soaps. Yeah, I don't think they like small sized people
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@@geremypolancoperez362 THEIR
As a 50yo balding male w Dad Bod and no stamina, I feel unrepresented in video games
Go play valheim you'll need to make food all the time and still have no stamina 😂
And no one should be allowed to read Twilight until they rewrite it with fat vampires!
Granddad bod according to your avatar
@@Sasukex1337 That would Great grandpa nursing home bod
I've been 'thin shamed' before by a morbidly obese person. She said 'must be nice to be thin' I just said 'yes it is' and walked away.
They hate you for what they're not
how is that shaming?
Based
@@bobowon5450 she was jealous and tried to guilt someone to affirm the bad habit
If I tell a person that they're fat, I'll get in trouble. Her tone of voice was meant to be demeaning and also a touch of jealousy. It's become a one way street that is filled with cars just honking their horns.
I got real fat and got diabetes. I lost 80lb and am doing better. Didn't go to the gym, just changed my diet. Telling people they're fine being obese isn't doing them any favors.
Evidently, it's NOT possible to NOT be a bigot to these folks so, guess we just need to accept our bigotry. Ok, accepted, now, what was I doing before? Lol
If there is no dragons for them to slay they can’t feel like heroes, and they can’t show off how virtuous they are, so they create dragons to slay, or something like that. :p
Dont worry, im a bigot, racist, sexist and fascist. Now what they gonna do
i just checked definition and it says UNREASONABLE. My discrimination in this case is not unreasonable, therefore i (we) are not bigots.
@@adrigl3371 If they were in a world with dragons the dragons would slaughter them like ants against a drivable lawnmower then get praised as heroes by all the rest of the small 2 legged folk gain over 5 million reputation XP and there wouldn't be anyone left to pass down the mental illness called "woke."
Believe me I know. I am a dragon myself.
This, but unironically.
I hate fat people. I hate women. I hate a certain group of people whose slur I can't use without this comment getting deleted, and the only reason I don't just say it anyway is because I want people to see this. They might be able to censor the word, but they can't stop me from expressing the sentiment, and they can't erase the sentiment from my heart.
I would put these people in the queue for Mr. Chippy if I could.
Dove is owned by Unilever, which also owns 5 ice cream brands: Ben & Jerrys, Breyers, Klondike, Magnum, and Popsicle.
Of course their beauty brand will say it's good, healthy, and beautiful to be as fat as can be. "Fill up on ice cream, you brave beauties!"
Also, Dove sells soap. More skin = more soap.
Beauty at all sizes! . . . . . . unless you're attractive.
The
people who make and promote this are just angry and jealous 🤣
LoGiC🤣
And lazy can't forget about that little detail.
I am a female who loved all the original Tomb Raider games as a kid. Lara Croft was gorgeous and inspirational. As a result, I worked out a lot in real life to be like her. (some of her assets never developed on me, but whatever...😆)
I love how Lara in the original game can, if you choose to, pull off an insane pull up, into handstand, then gracefully bend and flip into a regular upright stand when hanging from a ledge with space to stand above. Was this realistic? No, but it looked soo badass to pull off at least once in a while.
As a casual gamer and a woman, when I play female characters I go for the cool athletic and attractive ones, which are almost all for a good reason. I don't see myself represented nor attacked by someone who is more attractive than me, specially fictional ones.
"So many men are simps."
Yes and that's a huge problem.
Steven Crowder made an excellent point concerning this. “There is a wide range of what is objectively beautiful, but there is objective beauty.”
its hard to say what is objectively beautiful but it is fairly easy to say what is objectively ugly
@@bobowon5450 Yep. And yet there's people about whom 99% of people will agree they're beautiful, smart, or whatever it is. Ideals exist for a reason, and they are a good thing. Except for people with no desire whatsoever of working on themselves.
@@Yarblocosifilitico beauty is based in welth and helth. In the 18th century a little chubby was attractive because it signaled the ability to eat well when many could not. But in the same century if you were over 300lbs. That was seen as a sin called gluttony. Today when food is plentiful. We see personal fitness and self control as markers of wisdom. Also for women if thay get to big then thay might have complications in childbirth.
People have beauty preferences for lagitament biological and psychological reasons.
@@johnjay370 Agreed but there's also a purely biological aspect of it. Fit man = active man that can hunt and protect. At the end of the day, it's as simple as that, it's in our core because we're very advanced animals, but still animals.
@@Yarblocosifilitico yes but there's more to life then survival. Even the ancients had free time or play time. Almost anything can be deconstructed into a survival component. It up to man to rise up above his programming and become more then the animal.
On Dove's channel comments have been disabled while the like dislike ratio is at 80 to 1.8K. Says it all really.
So wait... when she takes off her armor she's fat? This is catfishing to the extreme. She ought to be ashamed of herself. As if all that would fit under that armor. I bet alot of heavy set women would kill for that armor.
I can actually see armor like that existing in a fantasy setting. We already somehow have armor with lots of external invisible "pocket dimension" storage space for inventory - all you need is to apply that concept to the inside. And maybe take some health risks, but that's a pretty normal price for looks.
My Spanx could never 😂
@@DanaOtken but the inventory is disconnected from the rest of the world. stuff in the inventory most times is completely halted, so if you shove your body into this dimension it stops working. this probably means a lot of medicinal problems but i'm no medic so all i'm saying is: in an armor like this you can't access your stored fat and therefore never lose weight. you have to take it off for workout.
@@BayWa4eva I would expect that from the perspective of somebody investing in armor like this as opposed to just removing the fat, preservation of the fat would be the point. (Alternatively, it's possible that if this became popular enough it would lead to developing more advanced magitech for storage space to reduce the medical problems. So far that idea hasn't seemed to work out in the real world with various forms of cosmetic surgery, but hope springs eternal.)
I've been on several dating sites for a very long time and one thing I've noticed from the profiles of women who took the time to fill one out is that a majority are very detailed about what they want in the look of a man and that's usually skinny, fit, in shape, etc., no one is asking for bigger guys, and even the plus size women want in shape men who also accept them for their size🤷
If they all think theyre 10's, and women date across and up the hierarchy... theyre all looking only for 10 guys. So even a lizzo thinks she is a 10. As such, you filthy 5-rated looking guy will never get any woman in the lefts ideal world.
In a sense, good. Better to have the stronger genes pass into the future. But you are going to have a lot of upset lazy people.
I dont mean to rate you a 5. Im saying the average guy, in their estimation, doeant deserve anything except servitude to the system. Bend over, democracy is coming.
@@LTNetjak you must not be from america. This is like 20% of our population if not more...
Every woman wants a man who’s
At least 6’
At least 6 figures
At least 6 packs
At least 6”
But god forbid a man prefer a woman who’s got less than 6 chins.
@@samuelpatton5148 so women want a guy rated 666, 6 figure income, 6 feet, 6 pack... 👹
@@samuelpatton5148 in college I 2015 I actually used that in my bio
666
6 foot
6 pack
6 inches
Literally none of those apply to me lol but it worked well getting matches 😂🤣
I saw the ad. Maybe if some of these women went adventuring they’d lose the weight. Pretty sure this character would have to stop every few feet to catch her breath. That would be a vicious challenge level. Not fit enough to battle enemies or run away from them.
@Alexis Leskinen I find it hysterical to make the most disgusting and disfigured characters possible
They would have to invest heavily in stamina
-99 stamina rating +99 agro retention.
@@blacksheep9505 +99 water retention. (For real, though. I've lost 70 pounds in two years, and I can honestly say the work is worth the reward. Why these people prefer delusion to self-improvement, and then try to shame gamers of all people is beyond me.)
I'd love to see the real woman that character is based on try to jump around and do flips like that. Or do any of the physical stuff that would be in that hypothetical game without being completely winded. (By the way, I'm overweight, I couldn't do it either, but I'm not insisting that characters doing athletic things in video games must be my size.)
The whole "plus sized women" vs "fat men" thing is also insulting to women imo. As if the media is implicitly saying that women just cannot handle the same brutally honest terms that men can. That they need to be "protected" from these terms or something.
To be fair... considering how "Men talking shit while gaming" to women is somehow a major oppressive issue while men shit talking to each other has been a thing since...forever (and usually much harsher) and no one has a problem with it....it does feel like you need special gloves when dealing with one of the two genders...based on their own demands.
Yes
@@ricardokojin7 bully hunters 🤣
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When I used to play competitive games with voice chat a lot, and when I'd get shit for being a girl, I'd just fire back at them with equal shit-talk. 9 times out of 10 we'd all end up laughing and everyone would go on with the game. If you have a thin skin and demand to be treated differently, you're going to have a bad time.
Liberals may classify women as a "minority" but that doesn't change the fact that women out number men 30 to 1. And there is nothing unattractive women and bitches who treat men like shit fear more than men finding out that with a straight face and with no heart ach if 1 woman is ugly out of shape or a bitch immediately fleeing from her presence and asking a younger prettier woman if she is interested instead.
Okay, so the characters that run for hours straight, often suffer from lack of food, constantly do acrobatics or heavy parkour, and are under extreme stress suring the entire storyline are supposed to be obese?
They want us to give reality based credence to the appearance factor, then explain that to me.
They've been attacking gamers for years on this crap.
Oh by the way I'm pretty sure the dove parent company also owns an ice cream company, do what you will with that information
@@Eidolon1andOnly yes thank you I couldn't remember the name.
All products that tend to make you overweight if you over indulge in them.
Fit people generally don't buy too much of that stuff.
How do you save your profit margins? Start a "beautiful at any size" campaign, encourage obesity. Sinister ain't it?
@@osets2117 Slavs eat tons of mayonnaise, but tend to be very fit. Of course, they wouldn't touch Hellmanns unless there was nothing else available, it is the best of the disgusting crap that the Americans make, but still
That's called synergy. Increase the customer marked by inflating the current customer base. More area per person = more profit!
I think the depression and body image issues young women feel have nothing to with comics or videogames, and everything to do with looking at more attractive, higher status women on social media. If a teen girl is used to getting 20 likes on her photos, but watches the hottest, most popular girl in school get 1000 likes, she is going to feel depressed about that. The likes almost serve as an objective measure of the chasm between them. Sure the average girl will be attractive to lots of guys, but she will never have the access to the highest status of guy that she dreams of, which the girl who gets 50 times the likes she does will have. And that hurts.
When it seems like your worth as a girl is based only on your looks it sux and it does make you depressed. It often feels like while "ugly" men have other fields they can be successful in, "ugly" women do not. Is it objective? Not always. Often it's not. But this preconception is still strong.
@@desarc6855 that's also a consequence of feminism. Not to say women who want to be mothers don't care about appearance, but it certainly affects them much less when they have the prospects and motivations to be a mother. It certainly isn't for every woman, but it's very obviosu that motherhood has a massive effect on most women's perception of themselves.
@@Memorywholed lol, it's quite opposite, actually. The more conservative a society is the higher is the female beauty standard and the more looks matter. To get married (and have children) you must win a man, for that you must be good looking. And if you are not married and with no kids you are a loser and a leftover woman. No matter your career, your education and overall life. That's why since an early age girls are constantly judged by their appearances and openly shamed for it. The preconception discussed is rooted in this. I'm from quite a conservative country with even more conservative neighbours, so I know how it works. However, western feminism of the last 10-15 years have become some weird thing and their ways of addressing problems are sometimes illogical. Poor Aloy, really.
@@desarc6855 That's because we, as a society, don't usually teach girls to hone their capacities and skills anymore, specially in media. They grow up being told that they are either an accessory to someone else by the Andrew Taters only valued for their looks or on the other extreme they are told that they are perfect and don't need to try and do anything because woman. Both extremes are harmful and don't give incentive for them to learn.
@@williansnobreYep, one bunch treats women like subhumans, the other shouts 'YAS, QUEEN' and insults men. They're two sides of the same coin, you can toss it all you like, but the result is shitty regardless.
There's a word for people who feel entitled to relationships they don't earn: Narcissists
as a plus sized, big boned, husky, fluffy, big old boy. I fucking hate the promotion of obesity.
You can lose the weight. We're all gonna make it, brah
@Patrick Bateman I had lost s lot of weight and then came down with crohns disease and basically became allergic to vegetables :(
@@bobowon5450 Keto diet seems to have good effects for chrohns disease and also losing weight
@@bobowon5450 how about meat? You okay with that?
@@patrickbateman3146 so long as its not super fatty it seems fine. Chicken and fish seem ideal but can be fairly pricey.
Video games have long been a punching bag for people like this.
I'm not buying it, show me the 1% that doesn't like swords!
Shad it is a well known fact in the marketing industry that Unilever uses Dove to help push their food products. That’s why this is happening.
Most of these people who demand more fat representation are just trying to validate their life decisions and feel better about their laziness.
what advertising and activists do not take into account is that the physical exertion experienced by the game character is in many ways more intense than the gym
I think the data is even more extreme than you point out. Dating app data reveal that about 80% of men are an automatic "no" for most women, whereas up to 80% of women were a "yes" to most men. See Modern Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson interview with the data scientist from the dating app Hinge. This wasn't too much of a problem before dating apps because physical beauty is relatively less important in determining mate choice for women. Still important, but not as much as it is for men. The thing is that men are also more easily satisfied: if a woman is healthy ( has the typical markers of good genetic baggage: symmetry, proportionality) and younger (the typical markers of fertility or reproductive good health). No particular upper percentile of income, or social standing, no particular low-frequency height. Cheers!
You can always be thinner, look better.
Let's see Paul Allen's soap commercial
Or, like certain women in games, bulk up. The world needs more muscle mommies. 💪
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy : "Oh my god. It even has a watermark."
"99% of men like swords"
What about the stick!?
A sword is in its essence just a fancy stick
It was mentioned that overweight women who go to the gym are more attractive. I'd say the biggest reason why, is that they are comfortable enough with their flaws that they can acknowledge them, and work to improve. The fat acceptance crowd can't accept their flaws, so they demand everyone else do it for them. Avoid people who need affirmation from others.
Fat man: jesus maybe I should go to the gym sometime.
Fat woman: iam perfect I'll just eat till I explode
The thing is, it's not like you need to attract every single person. You just need to attract one. And no matter what you look like, there are people out there who will be fine with it.
As an enjoyer of attractive women I can confirm I am in fact a bigot
Violet profile pic, respect for you
Gasping and clutching pearls 😂
As a male gamer the only issue I have with larger women being in games is the same as bigger men, it’s highly unbelievable that someone who has trouble breathing could do all what we’re shown.
The avatar is definitely slimmer in that side by side photo. They're being hypocritical by still improving the looks of the avatar vs the real model. They'd still be wrong with their overall statement, but they'd be less wrong if they kept her real proportions.
I have a different world view of how women should present themselves (being a Christian and a gamer). I do believe women should take care of themselves; including dressing nicely, watching our weight, etc. I don’t limit this to just women, of course. Men should have similar standards.
As someone who struggled with his weight before, I definitly agree.
it's crazy that something as basic as that is seen as controversial nowadays. If we continue like this, people are going to start shaming scientists because they say you need to drink water in order to survive...
@@Yarblocosifilitico I don't want to make you nervous but somewhere out there are people who believe they only need sunlight as food source. There are even people who starved themselves because of that ideology.
Everyone should take care of themselves, for their health if nothing else.
@@t34r 'Reality surpasses fiction'. I keep learning that saying and I keep forgetting how true it is haha
Shad, the data(dating sites)shows based solely on physical looks, over 80% of men are considered highly unattractive. Were as for women its was around 50 50, meaning most are considered average or decent looking.
Also the reasons for women going to such lengths to look attractive is to attract the top 20% of men(and that mean competing with every other women for these extreme limited number of men). That and its a means of survival, as being attractive tends to help garner more protection and provisions from men. Men too also do go to such lengths, but are massively limited on what they can do(which is basically just physically fitness, and dress), as female standards for men are much more extreme. For instance you can't just magically grow taller, nor grow an amazing chiseled jawline ect(there are extremely painful, expensive and time consuming surgeries, but even they are limited in what can be achieved). So as a man your either born good looking or your not.
PS: for the circus out there, I'm strictly referring to the physical here and not other factors as status, power an capability.
4:00 Well, I'm never gonna be able to unsee that, thanks Shad.
I remember being in a relationship long term and getting visibly and OBVIOUSLY fat due to complacency and going with my then GF to the GP and after being weighed, the GP (female) flat out refused to say I was overweight or that it was a problem. I had to ask her to be direct and she just squirmed with her clip board in her hand and no no you're not big it's fine. Like WTF? Thankfully I didn't need anyone to tell me but it does go to show how bad the issue is.
Makes me miss my childhood doctor. He was brutally honest. I played American Football and was a lineman and every time he saw me he told me I needed to lose 20 lbs, and incidentally he was right. Now I had a lot of muscle on me at the time, but I had a gut too, and I while my doctor told me to lose weight the football coaches wanted me to gain weight. Lol
I have struggled with a condition that makes me gain weight quickly while having major issues with losing weight my whole life, but, already as a child, realized I couldn't just hide behind my condition and began working out hard. I finally got fit and life became much better.
I have gained weight again after a major bout of depression, but I'm on my way to becoming fit again, and I would recommend it for everyone. Being fit and healthy makes everything feel and taste better, and it is a great way to break free from depression and bad thoughts.
BTW) I make fat characters in video games, but then they're usually either joke characters or tank character, to show that they have a lot of HP (indicated by belly size)
Aren’t gamers notorious for not bathing and now a soap company is attacking them are they trying to mane the problem worse.
Dove isn’t the brand gamers would go for I think.
Dove is the brand that should follow bud light into an early grave. This stuff has got to stop and the only way to sto them is to hurt their wallets. Let them make this stuff and then just dont buy it from them. You are not obligated to patronize anyone... yet
False stereo type I think. Most gamers I know shower and clean up a lot simply because sitting your filth is even noticeable to you. It's the non gamers that think they don't stink and walk around without cleaning up themselves.
Take a look into ESG scores. Part of the reason a lot of companies are suddenly doing this more is having a good ESG score is required to be lent money so they can continue to finance their company.
Part of what makes a woman attractive to me is her not demanding stuff like that
It's so crazy.
I've never been jealous of another man's physique; only ever inspired.
My family and I will be shopping for alternatives to Dove from now on. I'm a guy who's been overweight for most of his life and while I was largely OK with that, I knew it was unhealthy and wouldn't help me in the dating scene but I never begrudged any women that didn't find me attractive as a result. Last year though I finally got the motivation I needed to lose weight. I've lost 40 pounds since then with a goal of losing 60. Don't get to visit the gym or do much physical exercise overall due to a busy schedule but found great weight loss success simply from cutting almost all sugar, eliminating snacks and shrinking my meal portions. It felt immensely satisfying when I had to start wearing an old, smaller belt and noticed certain shirts weren't as snug as before.
Lord Trinen gets those gains BOY!! keep going with your success. fuck being fat.
@@Arcexey Thanks. I'm trying. Think I've hit a weight-loss plateau through dieting alone so I need to start exercising more to keep going. Probably need to fix my sleep schedule first though as I'm constantly low energy.
@@lordtrinen2249 you sound like you have exactly the right idea to approach this and are not deluding yourself. imo the more people you notify about your schedule and involve in keeping that going is how to win
Shoutout to the boys in the comments section, let's GOOOO! Gettin' jacked
What we need to stop pushing under the rug is that female beauty standards are primarily pushed by other women not by men.
Absolute facts. Women and gay men, straight dudes control almost 0% of fashion
But women are want a 6 foot, muscle bound, billionaire when they’re a 4 😂
if they are a 2 they can settle for a fit man that work as a doctor or lawyer
Listening to you guys talk, I think a thing you are missing (Tyranth in particular) with female beauty vs male attractiveness is fashion, hierarchy, and genetics. Tyranth is placing a lot of weight on attainable attractiveness such as weight management and muscle, which are important factors in male attractiveness (ties to productivity), but for women face symmetry, bone shape, body proportions (boobs, ass, hips...), skin condition, hair condition, and other similar factors are, I think, far more important then they are for men. Some of them like skin and hair can be helped by diet and products (skin condition is a large part of why makeup is so prevalent), but some are not changeable at all (without serious surgery). Factor in female competitiveness and/or conformity with each other, and female hierarchy, and how that ties to fashion, and women can be under a lot of pressure to look a way they just can't, with the ghost of a primordial instinctive axe ready to fall if she can't (far as I understand it, female hierarchy, conformity and competition is about old tribal instincts, conforming to the group to indicate one is part of the group and thus qualifies for it's resources and protection, while seeking to find a good place in the group hierarchy, hence conformity and competition. Historically we mostly did this with clothes and other material presentation, but post WW1 and 2 and the fashion shift from clothes to the body following fabric rationing it's become very toxic as bodies themselves became fashion, bringing genetics into play like never before).
Edit: to clarify, I am not opposed to presenting female attractiveness, just pointing out why women are indeed more sensitive, and some of the differences between female beauty and male attractiveness which Tyranth doesn't seem to understand. Also not saying that men are not impacted by pressure to be attractive, but working out can be an easier/healthier/cheaper rout to improving that compared to things like plastic surgery that in some places is so common among women it's normal.
They will never change the mind of man.
I was commenting this with my wife and we ended talking about your "boobarmour" video and how the bodies are designed for different challenges and as she is pregnant my role in the wild would be protect her while her supports this new life. And that is something only she can do (as a real woman).
I was literally playing tetris on my phone while watching this. I feel totally represented.
The common irony is that as a result of some studies animation and comic artists actually shifted away from the extreme female forms such as the "only achievable with lethal corset" standards to what they were 20ish years ago.
The body types then were achievable for women.
Actually, Shad reviewing stuff knights have no business reviewing, would be hugely entertaining! Shad investigates effectiveness of big brand panty sheilds, which drain cleaner works best, which body massager from wish is best value etc
now that'd be a good idea for an April fools video
In case you don't know already, Dove is a brand owned by the Unilever corporation. Their website has a fully accessible list of all the other products they make and sell under other brand umbrellas.
Hellman's, Best Foods, Axe, Knorr, Magnum ice cream, Lipton tea, Vaseline, Pepsident, Pond's and Close-up toothpaste are all brands under the Unilever umbrella.
I think it’s possible to accept yourself as you are while striving for self improvement. Life can get in the way of self care and I think that’s a prominent issue humans face. Being able to balance a healthy lifestyle is a skill that needs to be honed. Without the determination or drive, people let themselves go and choose to cope rather than choosing to take care of themselves. It’s sad. Take care of your mind and body 🙌
"Let's make virtual beauty, real"? Fit attractive women are real too, they do exist believe it or not.
The avatar only seems thinner because her stomach is shaped differently. The real model's belly sags such that she has to tuck a decent portion of it into her pants. The avatar's belly is the same size, but firmer, so she doesn't have as much of a gut and seems less fat. Which just goes to show you that everyone has some understanding of attractiveness that they can't help but conform to.
Old Spice is a Proctor & Gamble product, not Unilever. Unilever is also the company called out in Chapter 7 of "Woke, Inc" by Vivek Ramaswamy for virtue signaling with UN Women, while denying to help protect it's Kenyan Tea Plant workers from violence.
The follow-up video to that Dove one should be the game studio she's working for closing down because no one's buying the next game where she's fat. 😉
I am playing video games and pen & paper for some 30ish years now, more close to 35, and I literally never - N E V E R - even once created a character to look like me. Sometimes I made characters representing my reallife skill set (mostly in pen & paper), but never in my own image. Why? I do not need to roleplay myself. I do not WANT to roleplay myself. I AM me already. I want escapeism, not selfrepresentation. Almost all game characters would die before reaching the age you are playing them at, if they where obese, or wouldn't be doing what the game is about in the first place. Adventuring as an obese person? First enemy you need to run from? Dead. Almost all sports as an obese person? Instant loss. Platforming as an obese person? Not. You literally can't jump. And the list goes on. This is simply absurd.
studies show that about 95% of wemon find 80% of men unattractive so ya lets try to make men like fat wemon like thats going to help anyone great work dove.
Yeah. Most guys are invisible to women. It's why you see the news reporting that men would rather play videogames than try to date.
The plan is to convince the good looking guys to like fat chics so even the solid 3/10 girls can get a 10/10 guy. Might or might not work
I thonk you meant "women"
@@kittyhatmeow actually no i ment wemon because thats how all the woke thots on podcast say it.
The one thing I have noticed is that people who are trumping around with this, are often not noce people at all. Even if they were attractive to me, I still wouldn't want to hang around them. Pure due their bad personality.
Whenever I’ve seen people play fat characters, it’s usually because the player finds the idea of it funny. Because they know how ridiculous it looks for this character to be doing stuff like rock climbing, kung-fu, seducing hot women, etc.
They don’t do it because they are as narcissistic as the “75%” that claim we need to see themselves.
These marketing people are very strange. They clearly don't understand gamers or arguably even any other people outside of their own peer group.
As a woman who loves playing games, especially games with character customization, I’ve never wanted to have larger body types as an option. And I remember playing games like Mass Effect Andromeda and Elden Ring, and there were so many girls sharing their specs for their character for how they got their characters to look traditionally pretty. Because what those games gave you as presets made it VERY difficult to achieve that. I think generally women want to look at traditionally beautiful characters in general. This ad is pandering and stupid.
Yeah, my wife has given up on several games because character creations tries its hardest to stop you from making an attractive character. The games that she does get through, she always chooses the most attractive female characters and it always seems to positively motivate her.
I mean, in the KOTOR MMO, it's maybe worth it to play as an obese bounty hunter. They get jetpacks. Nothing is scarier than having a 600 lb half-human, half-hutt hovering 20 ft above your head executing the "Death From Above" attack.
(sigh) This is one of those topics that advertisers so often mess up, usually because their true goal is to sell product. When the messages is “healthy is beautiful at any size” that’s great, because there are individuals who will never match beauty standards no matter what they do but who can strive to be healthy and take some care for their appearance (clean and tidy), which does impart a degree of attractiveness. And being able to accept oneself with a reasonable standard for one’s individual circumstances is necessary for mental health. But when the message is “beautiful at any size, no matter how unhealthy” then it’s parting company with reality and turns just as destructive as “beauty only exists within this limited size range.”
Around 36 minutes, you ask about feeding represented in Tetris. Well, I've been called a square before, and there is a square in the game. So yes. Yes I feel represented in Tetris
Well, that's the big elephant in the room nowadays isn't it?
"No, I don't have to except reality, or your preferences! If you prefer this over me, then you are A, B, C, D or even E!" And shame on you for even questioning me!
Same time: "Eww, I'm not dating that creepy guy! I deserve more! I deserve Super-Chad aka. six pack, 6ft, net worth at least 600K..." Reasoning: Because patriarchy!
This whole narrative that's been creeping up for the last few years is just otherworldly. Like many other "popular viewpoints" nowadays...
And at this point, it's not even bothering me. It's just too ridiculous to take serious. As is this Dove campaign.
A PR person at a soap company isn't in the position to tell me anything about gaming, or my preferences, be it irl. or in gaming. 🤗
"Attraction isn't a choice. We cannot control who we are attracted to, only what attractions we act upon. People should not be condemned for loving who they love."
The biggest sign to me that the Left left me is that I am using the exact same arguments against them that I used for them a decade ago.
I wonder how many more the left will lose when they literally legalize pe doph ilia. I feel not that many unfortunately.
"History" uses people and then *discards* them. Don't be on "the right side of History."
"I just want the video game character to represent me!"
but this character is a mass murderer, thief, and celebrity hero of the realms?
"no that's fine I'm only talking about looks."
It seems they’re trying to push people to the point where they just say ‘ok then I guess I am a X’
You dont have to take this bullstuff. Just stop buying dove
@@faytleingod9592 jokes on them I never have
I take each of those "X"s as a badge of honor.
@@marcogenovesi8570 they're selling to women, not men. Us men will find the cheapest cleansing product they can. or just use whatever their wife bought and not even think about it.
Wait attack someone for what he likes to see on another person? You cant even control what you are attrackted to....so how can i be guilty for that
This is all just a way for Dove to tell gamers that they need to bathe more.
She's doubling her hit box, stupid decision.
When men see Cratos: I want to BE that!
When women see Lara Croft: I want to BAN that!
I've never seen that avocado comparison with the horizon girl before Lol
had me dying 😂
I actually have a number of thoughts about this whole thing... but I'll limit this to just a few; I'm guessing this will still be long.
- I can attest to that concept of how loving a person makes that person seem like the most beautiful person in the world to you. Some years ago, there was a woman whom I became close friends with, and eventually there came a point when I realized I'd fallen in love with her. It took me by surprise, in part because, if I'm being truly honest, I wasn't physically attracted to her. She was kind of heavy --- and even if she weren't, some men might have found her attractive, but I still don't think I would have found her to be "my type." But she was one of the best friends I ever had, she showed me love during times when I desperately needed it, and (I mean this as the highest possible compliment) she was already motherly just by instinct. She just knew when to be firm, and when to be gentle in dealing with people; and the only times you'd see her get truly angry were in situations where she was trying to defend or protect others, especially children.
I felt happier when I was with this friend, I felt like it was safe to be my real self around her, we were equally willing to let one another take the lead at different times, and since we both worked at a job taking care of children, I already had some idea of what it was like to work alongside her in a family-like environment. And that's how I developed enough interest to want to see if she and I might have liked being more than friends.
I had to temporarily say goodbye to her when I left for school, but when I returned home at the end of that school year, I was eager to reconnect, and maybe see if we could have any further relationship.
...And then the day before I was going to call her and ask to meet up, she was killed by a reckless driver. It's been eight years since then, and even though I've been able to experience other loves and losses with other women... it still hurts. I've needed to move on, yes. But I still love her. And I just want to say, attractive or not, she was and always will be exceedingly beautiful to me.
- Story aside, I agree with the vast majority of what you discussed here. Thank you for expressing all of that.
Just one thing I wanted to add: yes, in most cases, tackling obesity is a simple matter of eating less, eating better foods, and exercising more. It's as simple (albeit difficult) as that.
But in some cases, there are further complications, like hormonal problems, faulty organs, and things that may need to be addressed with surgery, medication, and/or therapy, in addition to those changes in eating and exercise habits. So, I'm not totally on-board with Dove's idea of "treat all people as equally attractive;" I think they're taking their idea too far. But I do try to be sensitive towards people who may have weight problems that stem from more than just overeating/lack of exercise. I just want to make sure to mention them.
- 35:47 "Do you feel represented in Tetris?" Ha ha ha! Amazing. But it so happens that yes, I do. Since my real name starts with a "T," every time I drop a T-shaped block, it feels like signing one of my initials into the game. So there.
- Surprisingly, there are a few of these "body positivity" ads that Dove has done, which I actually appreciated. Definitely not this one --- goodness no, ABSOLUTELY not this one --- and a number of their other ads leave me just as perplexed, or sometimes even annoyed.
But for instance, there was one ad about... what do we tend to call it? "Social media image control?" I mean the concept where people, especially young people, feel pressured to constantly present themselves on social media as dazzlingly pretty, or always impressive, and essentially, "perfect." The ad shows a teenage girl putting on make-up, setting the light in the room just right, using a photo filter, and... I think I remember she even uses photo editing software before uploading the picture. But the ad plays this whole scenario in reverse, and in the end (which is the beginning) you see how sad and lonely this girl is, who is still pretty... but ordinary.
When I saw that ad I thought, "Yes, THAT is an issue we really need to address. Even if this PSA came from a cosmetics company, thank you for doing that."
But this one? Yeah, as you laid out, representation in video games is not the issue they made it out to be.
- On the topic of the brand, and you wanting to stop using it... well, the bad news is, the parent company of Dove is Unilever. If you want, you can look up Unilever's Wikipedia page, and in the margin you can click a link that says "See list of brands." They own a lot of food, drink, home care, and hygiene and beauty products. It might be hard to even remember all the brands they own, let alone avoid all of them. Still... good luck, if you want to try.
OK. As I said, this was long. But I'm done now. Thanks again, you guys, and have a good day.
I don't have time to watch the video at this point but I read your comment. I'm sorry for what happened. I had a huge crush on a girl when we were about 12-14 after which it stopped. Turns out she had bad trauma and mental problems and she ended her life when she was 15. I don't want to lie and say it affects me anywhere near where it seems your trauma affects you. But it's this and other things in my life that prove to me how difficult it is to move on. So yeah I feel you.
I find that I've become kind of desensitized to things like this which is interesting cause I'm just 20, so it wouldn't feel genuine if I told you something like "don't give up" cause I think the reason people say this is typically emotional, whereas I'm sure you've heard this before so I don't really feel like it's even appropriate for me to repeat it. What I was thinking instead is that maybe there is some good in that you still feel it, that you feel something. If I was in your place I would probably not feel as bad because like I said I'm kinda desensitized, but I'm wondering whether that's ultimately a good thing or not.
I was recently (and kind of still am) in a situation where I found some new friends who I think are really cool people, but funnily enough I don't feel like either is my type physically either. This really got me thinking about how much do looks matter and stuff. I'm aware of the idea that love makes someone more attractive. But here I am wondering if I can even develop a level of love that is sufficient for that, cause what I really mean by desensitized is there seems to be a barrier against all emotions in my mind, even good ones. And I can't even hazard a guess about what would happen to me if this barrier would be hypothetically lifted. Cause I'm just not used to feeling things very vividly anymore.
Only with that all being said do I feel like I could say to you don't give up, and keep struggling. Whether it will be better or not is not certain. But here are some of my reasons to believe that an alternative such as closing emotions off with this barrier isn't any better than what it's trying to solve, even if they're coming from a kid.
There's no way she was able to squeeze into that armour. On a side note Nioh 2 has a good character creator, if you're one of those "bigots" who likes attractive characters. lol
Just wanted to mention that losing weight actually isn't always that easy. There are many factors that can lead to becoming overweight, and a person can be eating healthy, exercising, and doing all the normal recommendations but still be unable to lose weight. I do believe that becoming overweight is unhealthy, and slimming down is better, but don't assume just because someone has weight to lose that they're eating chips and chocolate all day. My sister has struggled with her weight for years in spite of eating healthy and trying to exercise regularly, and had to try nearly a dozen different weight-loss diets before finding one that a) had any effect and b) she could sustain. Her working theory is that something happened with her liver while she was in the navy.
So here's my hot take on this: we shouldn't be shaming anyone for their body type. We should be supportive of the person, and help them achieve healthy goals, but never try to shame them into changing.
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5:43 Yes, more value is placed on women's appearance, but but there is higher standards for MALE attractiveness than female attrctiveness. Men have to be supermodels to be attractive, women can be curvy or skinny or fit, it doesn't matter. The difference is male attractiveness has very little value, only gay men care about attractive men.
Games are supposed to be about losing yourself in a fantasy and having fun not being yourself for a time. For instance I’m having loads of fun playing Tears of the Kingdom. Am I hylian or a man? No. Can I relate to the emotions the characters feel in this game? Yes because it’s well written and well done.
Only thing I have in common with link is that we’re both small in height. 😂
I agree. I never understood this constant need for people to "see themselves" in games and cinema. I can only speak for me, but I've never watched a show or movie or played a game because the character "looked like me" and if I have the option to create my own character, invariably I usually make an attractive female character, 'cos I like the fantasy of it. (I'm a guy)
I want to get off this ride. NINE Years!!!!
The body positivety movement was, and always will be doomed to fail. You can't force people to find a certain bodytype beautiful. And yes fit and attractive bodies inspired me to do better. Since I got into He-Man, I've been going to the gym big time to build myself. Because I want to cosplay as him.
Ah, yes. Promoting disease. Daddy Nurgle approves!
Discriminating against people with health issues is wrong. Glorifying health issues is ALSO wrong. Obesity reduces life expectancy and can be crippling even before that; it's not something to be proud of, and absolutely not attracted to.
As an unathletic male, I've never seen buff heroes as something worth emulating. Rather, I find them annoying to look at, possibly because I value brain over brawns and barbarians clearly aren't good spellcasters. That said, I do care for my health and that of people around me, and when I make a self-insert character I go for an elvish look. Do I feel represented in games? Why the snuff would I want to be represented in games? I'm a boring real-life human, if I want representation I'll play Real Life!
I’ve officially lost all faith in Western society. I truly have.
it will be 100 years till we have any hope of establishing something worth protecting.
It's a direct attack on motivation and aspiration itself.
19:59 What sucks is that Dove actually did an ad about a month or so ago called the "Self-Esteem Project" about the pressures that teenage girls face from social media that I thought was pretty well done. It was not nearly as tone deaf as this one was. One step forward, two steps back.
They're claiming that being fit and healthy is "overly sexualized".😑
I know in the ad it was more focused on the fact that she has more “real” proportions compared to the fictional character. (Which I find that in general ironic since I have more in common with the “fake” body only by the fact that I’m skinny but I digress). However what I keep seeing more of in female characters that really annoys me is the fact that their proportions are made to resemble men. Or that their designs just look more masculine- all in the attempt to “desexualize” said character… by making them less like a female… that’s what truly pisses me of about this whole damn movement on removing good looking female characters- it’s just yet another way of just erasing what makes us different from men. I mean the only acceptable “fit woman” in woke things is a buff masculine one, even if arguably that’s a more unrealistic body for women to conform to compared to just being thin.
Shad, you show them how to "back dat thang up"! Knight's Watch...after dark
Weight and beauty standards has varied greatly over centuries and continents and culture and will continue to do so. I would love to see a video exploring the topic.
I cured my obesity by avoiding carbs. No gym or exercise. Sedentary.
Is it 2014 again?
I’m 24 and male, I’m not only in the gym because of these strong masculine characters but they also helped guide me to be a better person. I had amazing parents and they obviously get 90% of the credit but role models are important. Not what they look like but how they act. I’m also the kind of gamer that will spend hours making my character and a lot of the time I do want them to look like me, just more muscular, maybe slightly handsomer.