First, that was some darn good shooting. Second, your explanation of what you were doing at every stage was very well explained and easy to follow. Finally, I love the fact you did real world distance testing into gel. It gives hunters solid information they can use.
@@larrymitchell3502 Didnt blow up like a ballistic tip inside. Just pushed through with okay size hole about a half dollar diameter. Exit side was little bigger but didnt get that picture. Less than 10 yards and dropped. Saw blood trail on the ground from the back side where it walked and fell over.
I entered your 2600fps muzzle velocity 143gr eld-x bullet with G1 BC of .625 into federals ballistics calculator and according to that the bullet would be traveling at 1825 feet per second at 600 yards. While still having 1057 ft lbs of energy. Impressive performance!
Considering that your average 5.56 out of a 16 inch barrel only carries between 1200 and 1300 ft lb at the muzzle I would say that would still be very effective. At 1100 yards with that load you would still have about the same energy as a 147 grain 9mm at the muzzle. You might not get expansion at 1100 yards but it is most definitely still lethal.
Thumbs up on keeping the first shots on there, when you forgot to adjust the scope. All of us do it from time to time but most people would edit that out. 👍
I love that your wife does this stuff with you and her laughing at your excitement at the end is wholesome. My wife doesn't mind my love of guns but she's not super interested when I nerd out about them. Probably because she knows every time I nerd out a new gun or gun accessory appears in the safe. Which has been over filled since I got it pretty much.
Finally someone shooting gel at range. Always thought people shooting gel at 15 yards and trying to convey the difference between something like a 10.3" and 14.5" AR15 were really not doing the experiment justice.
Best part of the video was your wife commenting on how happy you looked. Great info! Thanks for all the work you did to bring this to us, I'm glad that you enjoyed yourself!
Awesome!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that you and your wife get to do that together! You 2 are awesome! Keep the great content coming! Btw… you have a truck, time to get a trailer and SXS!!!!
I've been looking for videos like this for years!! Do more calibers!! So awesome! I'd love to see this with a 300 wm or a 270 or other common hunting rounds and bullets!!!
Awesome. I just bought a Bergara B14 Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor. Since I'm almost 70 years old, I wanted something that would be my go-to gun and would be easier on my shoulder than the .30-06 that I've had for over 40 years. I think I've found the gun I need. Thank you for putting this together and sharing it with us. God bless, Miles P.S. Chronometer/Chronograph... whatever. We all know what you meant, and most of us, I'll bet, didn't even catch it.
Thank you guys for taking the time and being willing to do these kind of things for the rest of us that may not have the time and resources this gives me a good starting point
Outstanding! Thank you so much for putting out such real world experience. Good shooting Sir! Very impressive. It is wonderful that your wife is out there with you. Family first in the under the sun realm. Good show.
The ELD-X is a decent bullet at lower velocities and will do the job on deer sized game at pretty much any ethical distance. I've even heard of people killing elk with them but I shot a doe in the neck 2 years ago at 75 yards and it didn't come out the other side... I shot an 80lb hog in the front shoulder at under 100 yards the same year and it didn't come out the other side and both were using the 143gr ELD-X in 6.5 Creedmoor. I wanted to like this bullet because it's an extremely accurate one and these could've been very rare results to have but I made the decision that year if it isn't a bonded or an all copper bullet outside of a few exceptions I don't hunt with them. Still a great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
All copper? You mean the entire round or just FMJ? I saw the other day you folks have different laws in each state and all copper was mentioned. Just interested thanks.
The 140gr eldm has a thinner jacket. Exited the whitetail at 300 yards (6.5 creed). Perfect double lung and the deer dropped like a sack of potatoes. Exit hole was small, but the damage to the lungs was like looking at what my 30-06 using 180gr bullets has. Never found much eldx in stock then but I did find a lot of eldm so I was stocked up. Didn’t find any pieces of the jacket or find the bullet so I’m not sure how well it stayed together. 125 grain Winchester deer season didn’t shoot well out of my rifle, but seems good out of a browning a bolt, my sister shot a whitetail with that and it dropped, and had exit so if your rifle likes them that could work for you.
This is a great test! Testing them 15 or 20 yards from the muzzle is useless. Nobody shoots anything that close. Realistic ranges are much more useful information. Thanks.
I am from RSA. Shot many blue wildebeest in my life. They are tough as hell. I once wounded one using my 375 H&H, never to be seen again. Also witnessed one run over 1km after a bad shot from a 460 Wby. Shot placement must be spot on with these animals. Recently shot 3 using 90gr Accubonds in my .243 Win. All head shots between 100m-150m. Local farmers joke that they sell most wildbeest twice, as most hunters only wound them. Happens to ALL of us.
That was a lot of work. Thank you, both of you for doing this testing, filming it, and running to the cameras to make sure we get to see it too. I’m thinking of starting a petition to officially change the name of chronographs to chronometers.
You make the best darn videos. I just love them and learn so much. I live in the California (I know) and I just hate it. I haven't been able to buy primers for reloading for over 2 years. Bass Pro won't stock them because it cuts into the ammo sales and they make you join their "club" if you want to buy more than $100. worth of ammo at a time. Of course joining their club is contingent upon applying for and being granted their own credit card. No credit card, no quantity ammo sales. Total ripoff. Keep up the good work!!!
By far the best long distance test of the eldx I've seen. I'm happy it performed as well as it did, now I will have the confidence to make those longer shots if necessary while hunting deer.
Get your wife in more videos. She seems delightful lol. Also, if you remain dubious about the creedmoor, try this with a Paul Harrell-esque 'meat target'... then you can have a cookout afterwords too
We're used to seeing gel get shot at 20m, good to see what happens at range. All those people who say bullets lose energy at longer range, yeah but it'll still do the job.
Man, I love your work and energy you put into these videos. I get so much grief for shooting the 6.5 Creedmoor, but unjust don’t care. I haven’t had an animal walk off on me yet.
Except what have you shot with it? At what distances? See it's not just about 6.5... Everyone acts like it doesn't matter as long as you make a clean impact. The point I make is energy transfer. It passed through you say.. Well of course it did, but did it transfer energy efficiently? That is the truly debatable part. Along with it doesn't carry as what i consider enough energy, especially at the distances people are trying to harvest game.. You can clearly tell even in this video.. If there was bone or anything with heavy flesh you have to pass through.. Would it? I would say possibly but, not being a humane kill probably.. Deer is one thing.. The punchline, The thing that bothers me is people have shot caribou and moose at great distance with it. I have myself witnessed 3 events as they put 4-5 rounds in these animals over 400+ yards. Literally trying to take them down.. Did they die? Yes, eventually.. Was it humane and ethical, I would argue not remotely.. Yet people online are still swearing by it..
@@jarek0737 I have seen and experienced the exact opposite. At the end of say I don’t shoot it pass 500 yards. There is enough energy out to 600 yards. No matter what round anyone uses shot placement is still the key. I have seen game run off with a 300 WM and 7mm REM MAG. Once again shot placement is key.
@@jarek0737 Your post brings up an interesting question which you may be qualified to answer. You comment on the need for "efficient energy transfer" but in what "form" is the energy of the bullet transferred to the game which was shot? With this question answered, how would you measure the amount of energy transferred to compare its efficiency to other similar bullets?
@@mrmatt7210 To understand energy transfer consider the bullet before it's fired. Energy is transferred to the bullet by the pressure exerted on the base. Pressure x Surface area x distance gives you the amount of energy. Larger caliber or longer barrel will = more energy. After leaving the bore, energy is transferred to the air during the bullet's flight. Here you want to minimize energy loss so a smaller caliber and/or shorter flight path are better. When the bullet hits an animal it's the same story. Energy is transferred via surface area, pressure, and distance. A skinny bullet will lose less energy than a fatter bullet. The energy retained upon impact will be converted into 3 main areas: Bullet deformation, tissue damage, and if the bullet exits then the 3rd area is just wasted in the dirt. Frontal area, which varies with bullet diameter squared, is a huge factor in both bullet acceleration and deceleration (tissue damage). Of course "shot placement is key" is the phrase used by people who hunt with small calibers. It has a lot of truth to it. But why would you intentionally handicap yourself by requiring a perfect shot on the animal you're hunting? Larger calibers cause more damage and give you more latitude for acceptable shot placement. Unless you're a child or a very small woman I don't see any reason to carry a gun that's only adequate for taking game with ideal shot placement. The phrase, "Use the biggest gun you can shoot well" is much better advice if you want quick kills.
@@biggs8729 the 127 LRX is capable of reliable expansion out to 700 yards or more @9500 ASL at fall hunting temps. 1800fps still expands well, though obviously less than closer ranges.
The 6.5x55 Swede is used all over the world, and is very popular with Scandanavian moose hunters. The Creedmoor is almost a ballistic twin to the Swede. I'm not sure how it gets the reputation of being only adequate for deer and antelope. It has plenty of horsepower, and has plenty of bullets options with high sectional density. Elk should be absolutely no problem at reasonable distance. But then again, I think the 257 Bob is a fine cartridge as well. lol
The other qualifier with the Swede is that the traditional moose round is a 160 RN, if I recall properly, compared to the 125-150gr spitzers typically used in the Creed. Heavy round nose bullets have more predictable expansion and deeper penetration than typical spitzer bullets, with the trade-off of having the ballistics of a truck...
@@driftertank Exactly. Most of those Scandinavian shots with a 6.5x55 likely inside 200 meters, too. Cross-canyon elk @ 600 Yds I feel way more comfortable with a 175 gr 7 rem mag (minimum) or a 200 gr+. 308 bullet @ 3100+ fps MV. 300 Win mag & up. It ain't what works when everything's perfect but what makes an exit wound when you hit the near shoulder. On purpose.
@@Freezer003people talk about that creedmoor strawman online that thinks he can kill everything at a mile but I’ve never seen it in real life. I have seen a hunter with a 338 lapua claim he can go to 1100 and then midd a bull by 6 feet
@@larrymitchell3502there are tons of photos on rokslide of people killing elk with 143 eldx, 130tmk etc out of creeds and 260s at long range. The punch straight through shoulders. The thread is like 26 pages of kills, worth a read.
I fully understand the groaning while laying prone n getting up. The struggle is real 🤣 I just turned 37 and I'm in decent shape and it is just a part of life 🙃
Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Wow, who knew the Creed still hits that hard at long range? You see the numbers but jeez to see it penetrate and make a wound cavity like that and exit again, wow Hard to argue with those results and fantastic marksmanship btw, that group at 600 is fire.
A little tip to try. Configure a small shade canopy over your camera to keep the sun off. Could also even rig up a small solar powered electronics fan. Awesome video!
I just now seen your video posted 4 months ago good work please make more videos like this you were the only one I ever seen the long range ballistics jail testing
A 143 gr 6.5 bullet has excellent sectional density so it makes sense you get decent penetration from it. If the bullet exhibits good penetration at high velocity, then it will probably penetrate farther at longer range because lower velocity gives it less expansion, and less expansion equates to less drag slowing the bullet down as it penetrates. That was some good shooting!
Hello from Nashville. My aunt is LDS and I lived in Fredonia, AZ just south of Kanab, UT. I spent 3 months out there. Dude you remind me of the kind folks out there.
I completely understand that not every box of bullets is going to have the same level of quality but I still shake my head when people knock the ELD-X's. I dropped a big bull elk in his tracks at 650 yards and rolled him down the hill with my 7mm STW shooting the 162gr's. One and done. Again I've heard some complaints about quality control, but I have yet to shoot an ELD-X that didn't fly like a laser beam and absolutely hammer an animal...phenomenal round in my opinion. I've converted all of my hunting rifles to those bullets and those bullets only. Haven't been let down by them yet.
That's actually super impressive . I didnt think it was going through the full block . Cross is only 18" Barrel which is equally more impressive to have those results . Nice video bro and nice freaking shooting
I gotta apologize to Backfire. I've been watching your vids for months now and am an infinitely more competent rifle shooter as a result but I never subscribed. That fixed, thank you for the excellent content and passion
love your videos and how excited you get:) it's somewhere inspirational! why don't you have same test with different calibers? 308, 300, 30-06, 5.56; you get the point. youtube will probably hate you, but "we are the people" would love you 👍
ELD-x 143 grains performs great on whitetails and contrary to the bashers it does not fragment or blow-up at shorter ranges. Since I started using my 6.5CM with the Eld-X ammo 4 seasons ago I have taken 8 mature northern whitetails at rangers from 60 to 120 yards and the bullet has performed flawlessly resulting in 1 to 2 inch exit holes all shot through the chest and a 25 to 50 yard death run with a great blood trails (with the bonus of no noticeable recoil).
Good shooting! Like you always wondered how a bullet expands at long distance. That you for showing us. And show's that speed is not factor if have the right bullet and hit the vitals. In other words you don't need every bullet screaming at 3000 fps. I always go for shoot ability and accuracy over speed. Grate video.
I had a hunter shoot an elk at 12 yds in the shoulder, I told him to shoot it again, he did. I told him to shoot it again and he responded "I hit him both times!" shoot again I ordered and he did whereupon the 6 pt dropped. The first bullet to the shoulder exploded and did not go into the ribcage. The second was further back and hit just ribs before going into the lungs but did not exit. The third shot was high and hit the spine but did not exit. 7mm STW with Sierra ballistic tips at 150 grains. Had the bull been 300 yds rather than 12, I think the first shot would have been effective. Bullet performance over a wide range of yardage is where all copper, a frame and partition bullets shine. Good test. Thank you.
You are the only person I know that actually shoots a ballistic gel at long range finally I get to see some actual testing in my opinion. I would however like to see the same test, with a standard setup AR-15 16" barrel chambered in 5.56/223 but with both cartridges and M193 & M855 this I need to see besides the fact I don't think it has been done
I took a antelope last year with 6.5 creedmoor and a 140 ELD-M at 562yrds. In behind the left shoulder, out through the right shoulder. 2inch exit wound. No bullet fragments in the meat. If you go on the Hornaday mil/le web page it says the ELD-Ms have excellent terminal ballistic performance. From my experience this is quite accurate. There is just a stigma on the civilian side of using match bullets for hunting. When shot placement is key why wouldn't you want to shoot a more accurate projectile?
@@thomasford2946 Thomas, as a Marine sniper how effective do you think the Creedmoor would have in a combat/sniper system? I know they've tested the .260 Remington and have some Creedmoor rifles. I was a bit surprised when they recommended a round like they ended up with considering the well known penetration/sectional density of the 6.5 bullet. Thank you for your service.
This is prob rhetorical, and common knowledge but I'll put it out here. The eld-x has a slightly thicker jacket and Is a great performer at closer ranges. Tougher, and can handle the higher velocities at closer ranges. On the other hand the m's with a thinner jacket act like the eld-x at the longer ranges and are amazing. We hunt bear in eastern NC and the eld-x shines out to 400 yards. Past that out to 900 the eld-m is the projectile of choice. That's on thick bear hide, and dense muscle. Not trying to hit any bone except ribs or skull. Using 6.5 prc and 6.5 swede.... which is basically o.g. Creedmoor
This may be the best and most useful video you have done. I have been wanting to see some real longer distances shot at the gel for some time now. My max hunting distance I will shoot is 600, so this was perfect. Although I will not be shooting something that lacking in energy at that distance. Would love to see a 145Gr LRX shot at 600 at 32” of gel to compare out of a 28 Nosler or near equivalent.
6.5 caliber in general is no joke! I will admit I was skeptical of its ability when I first bought mine. For my wife and kids... he he. Seriously though I have had great success with mine so far. The sectional density and modest velocity of the creedmoor for example makes a round capable of brilliant penetration. Which is what history has taught with other rounds such as the 7x57, 6.5x55, 30-40, and of course the 30-06. All shooting heavy for caliber bullets such as the 175 grain in the 7mm, 160 in 6.5x55, 220s in the 30s mentioned. Obviously you would have to adjust your range at game taken. But above said bullets I would dare even say that they are all legendary, along with a proven time tested track record. All the creedmoor is, is a round built off the shoulders of giants. The 6.5 PRC and creedmoor just being 21st century rounds. 6.5x55 Swedish(creedmoor) 264 Winchester magnum(6.5 PRC) All 4 being good rounds. Good job and good shooting. God bless and take care. Just my humble 2 cents.
THANK YOU! Your efforts are greatly appreciated B/C I use 6.5 PRC Hornady ELD-X ammo for hunting. I have a 6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle for long range (to 1,100 yards) competition and a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro for hunting here in Nevada. This year I've got a Nevada antelope tag and I'm using the 6.5 PRC because I may have to shoot out to 800+ yards on those very wary critters. My scope is a Bushnell Elite LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44 with a G3 illuminated "small Xmas tree" reticle so I don't have to dial. I use a larger H-59 Xmas tree reticle in my competition scope so I'm used to holding on the hash marks instead of dialing. (Did I mention I DON'T DIAL?;o) BTW. I will use my hiking poles with the Quick stiX bipod joint which I have found greatly helps with accuracy. Weisner Industries makes this great mechanism which weighs only about 3 or 4 ounces. What an innovative piece of hunting gear!
I’ve taken half a dozen bull elk and 4 bear with my 6.5 CM most with 1 shot. Usually don’t get a full pass through but it dumps all the energy into the animal with devastating results. 6.5CM is highly underrated.
Lol. No idea why I said “chronometer” three times. Obviously, I meant “chronograph.”
I think the audience will know what you meant.
Nice shootin'!
Clearly you are new to this whole rifle thing!😂
@@thomasford2946 🤣
Were you using the 143 gr?
Wow, epic shooting man! Nobody else ever shoots gel at long range. This video delivered!
only a gun nerd would understand the excitement!!! great shots!
Mega dittos!!
First, that was some darn good shooting.
Second, your explanation of what you were doing at every stage was very well explained and easy to follow.
Finally, I love the fact you did real world distance testing into gel. It gives hunters solid information they can use.
I had a pass through on my cow hunt at 500 yards through the lungs shooting up at an angle. Didnt hit bone. 6.5 creedmoor eldx 143gr.
@@nsaechao84nsCow elk?
Surprised you didn't hit a rib, just by chance. What kinda damage / how far did she go?
@gsh341 Second this. Real data @,considerable effort. Thank you.
@@larrymitchell3502 Didnt blow up like a ballistic tip inside. Just pushed through with okay size hole about a half dollar diameter. Exit side was little bigger but didnt get that picture. Less than 10 yards and dropped. Saw blood trail on the ground from the back side where it walked and fell over.
Your wife is a great woman for putting up with this stuff.
Yeah, my wife would do it once, and then she'd take the keys, and drive home in the car...leaving me out there!
I entered your 2600fps muzzle velocity 143gr eld-x bullet with G1 BC of .625 into federals ballistics calculator and according to that the bullet would be traveling at 1825 feet per second at 600 yards. While still having 1057 ft lbs of energy. Impressive performance!
Considering that your average 5.56 out of a 16 inch barrel only carries between 1200 and 1300 ft lb at the muzzle I would say that would still be very effective. At 1100 yards with that load you would still have about the same energy as a 147 grain 9mm at the muzzle. You might not get expansion at 1100 yards but it is most definitely still lethal.
Yes it is! But I still wouldn't shoot at game at that distance.
Thumbs up on keeping the first shots on there, when you forgot to adjust the scope. All of us do it from time to time but most people would edit that out. 👍
I love that your wife does this stuff with you and her laughing at your excitement at the end is wholesome.
My wife doesn't mind my love of guns but she's not super interested when I nerd out about them.
Probably because she knows every time I nerd out a new gun or gun accessory appears in the safe. Which has been over filled since I got it pretty much.
Your channel is my absolute favorite! Great information. Great narrator! Love your attitude & integrity!
Finally someone shooting gel at range. Always thought people shooting gel at 15 yards and trying to convey the difference between something like a 10.3" and 14.5" AR15 were really not doing the experiment justice.
And hitting it at that range!
Best part of the video was your wife commenting on how happy you looked. Great info! Thanks for all the work you did to bring this to us, I'm glad that you enjoyed yourself!
Awesome!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that you and your wife get to do that together! You 2 are awesome! Keep the great content coming!
Btw… you have a truck, time to get a trailer and SXS!!!!
More of a boat guy 😀
@@backfire por que no los dos?
@@backfire do you ever go fishing 🎣
Fantastic footage! Really hope to see this explored with other common calibres.
I've been looking for videos like this for years!! Do more calibers!! So awesome! I'd love to see this with a 300 wm or a 270 or other common hunting rounds and bullets!!!
Thanks for this and great job doing it! I appreciate how difficult testing, let alone filming this can be.
Awesome. I just bought a Bergara B14 Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor. Since I'm almost 70 years old, I wanted something that would be my go-to gun and would be easier on my shoulder than the .30-06 that I've had for over 40 years. I think I've found the gun I need. Thank you for putting this together and sharing it with us. God bless, Miles P.S. Chronometer/Chronograph... whatever. We all know what you meant, and most of us, I'll bet, didn't even catch it.
Thank you guys for taking the time and being willing to do these kind of things for the rest of us that may not have the time and resources this gives me a good starting point
Impressive test with some serious results.
Always wanted to see gel in further distances and now I can. Thanks. Good stuff.
Awesome!! We need more of these test. I would love to see 308 same test!!
Outstanding! Thank you so much for putting out such real world experience. Good shooting Sir! Very impressive. It is wonderful that your wife is out there with you. Family first in the under the sun realm. Good show.
The ELD-X is a decent bullet at lower velocities and will do the job on deer sized game at pretty much any ethical distance. I've even heard of people killing elk with them but I shot a doe in the neck 2 years ago at 75 yards and it didn't come out the other side... I shot an 80lb hog in the front shoulder at under 100 yards the same year and it didn't come out the other side and both were using the 143gr ELD-X in 6.5 Creedmoor. I wanted to like this bullet because it's an extremely accurate one and these could've been very rare results to have but I made the decision that year if it isn't a bonded or an all copper bullet outside of a few exceptions I don't hunt with them. Still a great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
All copper? You mean the entire round or just FMJ? I saw the other day you folks have different laws in each state and all copper was mentioned. Just interested thanks.
The 140gr eldm has a thinner jacket. Exited the whitetail at 300 yards (6.5 creed). Perfect double lung and the deer dropped like a sack of potatoes. Exit hole was small, but the damage to the lungs was like looking at what my 30-06 using 180gr bullets has. Never found much eldx in stock then but I did find a lot of eldm so I was stocked up. Didn’t find any pieces of the jacket or find the bullet so I’m not sure how well it stayed together. 125 grain Winchester deer season didn’t shoot well out of my rifle, but seems good out of a browning a bolt, my sister shot a whitetail with that and it dropped, and had exit so if your rifle likes them that could work for you.
Finally....someone shot gel at a realistic range....well done!
Keep up the good work. Side note...well done on keeping the kids shooting.
This is a great test! Testing them 15 or 20 yards from the muzzle is useless. Nobody shoots anything that close. Realistic ranges are much more useful information. Thanks.
Whatever it is, at 15 or 20 yards it's getting the side arm. 🙌
I am from RSA.
Shot many blue wildebeest in my life.
They are tough as hell. I once wounded one using my 375 H&H, never to be seen again. Also witnessed one run over 1km after a bad shot from a 460 Wby.
Shot placement must be spot on with these animals.
Recently shot 3 using 90gr Accubonds in my .243 Win. All head shots between 100m-150m.
Local farmers joke that they sell most wildbeest twice, as most hunters only wound them.
Happens to ALL of us.
.243 is KING in the Midwest in the USA.
Great for varmints on up to the corn fed, white tail deer we have here
@@M240D I got a Winchester model 70 in 243. I love it but haven't gotten anything with it yet.
Baie mooi Gert, daai goed is superhero bokke.
Dankie Joe!
That was a lot of work. Thank you, both of you for doing this testing, filming it, and running to the cameras to make sure we get to see it too. I’m thinking of starting a petition to officially change the name of chronographs to chronometers.
Well done, Sir. The shooting, the footage, the test, everything.
You make the best darn videos. I just love them and learn so much. I live in the California (I know) and I just hate it. I haven't been able to buy primers for reloading for over 2 years. Bass Pro won't stock them because it cuts into the ammo sales and they make you join their "club" if you want to buy more than $100. worth of ammo at a time. Of course joining their club is contingent upon applying for and being granted their own credit card. No credit card, no quantity ammo sales. Total ripoff. Keep up the good work!!!
Lucky guy. Nice rifle and great support team. Excellent video, thanks.
By far the best long distance test of the eldx I've seen. I'm happy it performed as well as it did, now I will have the confidence to make those longer shots if necessary while hunting deer.
The wife's commentary was a nice addition to the entertainment value!
Hornady has a big smile on their face with those ELD-Xs opening up and then passing right through the gel....
I love both of these calibers. They do not disappoint.
Get your wife in more videos. She seems delightful lol. Also, if you remain dubious about the creedmoor, try this with a Paul Harrell-esque 'meat target'... then you can have a cookout afterwords too
We're used to seeing gel get shot at 20m, good to see what happens at range. All those people who say bullets lose energy at longer range, yeah but it'll still do the job.
I gave my daughter a 6.5 savage precision, not to hunt but for over watch if SHTF. Your video proves I made the right choice!
I’m glad to see this I hear a lot about the 6.5 not being enough to hunt with but this definitely shows that it’s capable.
Man, I love your work and energy you put into these videos. I get so much grief for shooting the 6.5 Creedmoor, but unjust don’t care. I haven’t had an animal walk off on me yet.
Except what have you shot with it? At what distances? See it's not just about 6.5...
Everyone acts like it doesn't matter as long as you make a clean impact. The point I make is energy transfer. It passed through you say.. Well of course it did, but did it transfer energy efficiently? That is the truly debatable part. Along with it doesn't carry as what i consider enough energy, especially at the distances people are trying to harvest game..
You can clearly tell even in this video.. If there was bone or anything with heavy flesh you have to pass through.. Would it? I would say possibly but, not being a humane kill probably.. Deer is one thing..
The punchline, The thing that bothers me is people have shot caribou and moose at great distance with it. I have myself witnessed 3 events as they put 4-5 rounds in these animals over 400+ yards. Literally trying to take them down.. Did they die? Yes, eventually.. Was it humane and ethical, I would argue not remotely.. Yet people online are still swearing by it..
@@jarek0737 I have seen and experienced the exact opposite. At the end of say I don’t shoot it pass 500 yards. There is enough energy out to 600 yards. No matter what round anyone uses shot placement is still the key. I have seen game run off with a 300 WM and 7mm REM MAG. Once again shot placement is key.
@@jarek0737 Your post brings up an interesting question which you may be qualified to answer. You comment on the need for "efficient energy transfer" but in what "form" is the energy of the bullet transferred to the game which was shot? With this question answered, how would you measure the amount of energy transferred to compare its efficiency to other similar bullets?
@@mrmatt7210 To understand energy transfer consider the bullet before it's fired. Energy is transferred to the bullet by the pressure exerted on the base. Pressure x Surface area x distance gives you the amount of energy. Larger caliber or longer barrel will = more energy. After leaving the bore, energy is transferred to the air during the bullet's flight. Here you want to minimize energy loss so a smaller caliber and/or shorter flight path are better. When the bullet hits an animal it's the same story. Energy is transferred via surface area, pressure, and distance. A skinny bullet will lose less energy than a fatter bullet. The energy retained upon impact will be converted into 3 main areas: Bullet deformation, tissue damage, and if the bullet exits then the 3rd area is just wasted in the dirt. Frontal area, which varies with bullet diameter squared, is a huge factor in both bullet acceleration and deceleration (tissue damage). Of course "shot placement is key" is the phrase used by people who hunt with small calibers. It has a lot of truth to it. But why would you intentionally handicap yourself by requiring a perfect shot on the animal you're hunting? Larger calibers cause more damage and give you more latitude for acceptable shot placement. Unless you're a child or a very small woman I don't see any reason to carry a gun that's only adequate for taking game with ideal shot placement. The phrase, "Use the biggest gun you can shoot well" is much better advice if you want quick kills.
I would love to see this test with the 127 LRX at 400 yards. Also maybe some catch block or a backer so we can see the bullets. Great content!
Second this one. For my 6.5 CM, 127 LRX and at my elevation, 9000-12,000 ft, 500 yards is the outer limit I think for good expansion.
Or just use 20% gel instead of 10%
@@biggs8729 the 127 LRX is capable of reliable expansion out to 700 yards or more @9500 ASL at fall hunting temps. 1800fps still expands well, though obviously less than closer ranges.
A lot of work went into making that vid, thank you for it, I really enjoyed it.
The 6.5x55 Swede is used all over the world, and is very popular with Scandanavian moose hunters. The Creedmoor is almost a ballistic twin to the Swede. I'm not sure how it gets the reputation of being only adequate for deer and antelope. It has plenty of horsepower, and has plenty of bullets options with high sectional density. Elk should be absolutely no problem at reasonable distance. But then again, I think the 257 Bob is a fine cartridge as well. lol
Your catch is 'at reasonable distance." Seems everyone nowadays wants to blast an elk at 1200 yards and have everything go perfect.
The other qualifier with the Swede is that the traditional moose round is a 160 RN, if I recall properly, compared to the 125-150gr spitzers typically used in the Creed.
Heavy round nose bullets have more predictable expansion and deeper penetration than typical spitzer bullets, with the trade-off of having the ballistics of a truck...
@@driftertank Exactly. Most of those Scandinavian shots with a 6.5x55 likely inside 200 meters, too. Cross-canyon elk @ 600 Yds I feel way more comfortable with a 175 gr 7 rem mag (minimum) or a 200 gr+. 308 bullet @ 3100+ fps MV. 300 Win mag & up.
It ain't what works when everything's perfect but what makes an exit wound when you hit the near shoulder. On purpose.
@@Freezer003people talk about that creedmoor strawman online that thinks he can kill everything at a mile but I’ve never seen it in real life. I have seen a hunter with a 338 lapua claim he can go to 1100 and then midd a bull by 6 feet
@@larrymitchell3502there are tons of photos on rokslide of people killing elk with 143 eldx, 130tmk etc out of creeds and 260s at long range. The punch straight through shoulders. The thread is like 26 pages of kills, worth a read.
Way cool video. Thanks for all the work you did to make it. Its so great to have real world data we can point to and make comparisons.
Ive came back ad watched this several times. Thanks for posting, and great marksmanship.
I love that hornady app - take the time to input every single data point - it is amazing
I fully understand the groaning while laying prone n getting up. The struggle is real 🤣 I just turned 37 and I'm in decent shape and it is just a part of life 🙃
Finally someone shooting gel at long range!
Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Wow, who knew the Creed still hits that hard at long range? You see the numbers but jeez to see it penetrate and make a wound cavity like that and exit again, wow
Hard to argue with those results and fantastic marksmanship btw, that group at 600 is fire.
That was a seriously interesting video. I really enjoyed it. Congratulations.
A little tip to try. Configure a small shade canopy over your camera to keep the sun off. Could also even rig up a small solar powered electronics fan. Awesome video!
Best gel video for rifles yet! Shows real world results
Awesome work. That smile is well deserved. Thanks for your creativity and hard work.
I just now seen your video posted 4 months ago good work please make more videos like this you were the only one I ever seen the long range ballistics jail testing
ELDXs have failed on me every time. I won't use them on anything but paper. I'm glad you've had good luck with them. Thanks for the vid.
A 143 gr 6.5 bullet has excellent sectional density so it makes sense you get decent penetration from it. If the bullet exhibits good penetration at high velocity, then it will probably penetrate farther at longer range because lower velocity gives it less expansion, and less expansion equates to less drag slowing the bullet down as it penetrates. That was some good shooting!
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I never seen nobody done anything like this before..
good job.
Hello from Nashville. My aunt is LDS and I lived in Fredonia, AZ just south of Kanab, UT. I spent 3 months out there. Dude you remind me of the kind folks out there.
Great video! Finally someone shooting gel at longer distances.
I completely understand that not every box of bullets is going to have the same level of quality but I still shake my head when people knock the ELD-X's. I dropped a big bull elk in his tracks at 650 yards and rolled him down the hill with my 7mm STW shooting the 162gr's. One and done. Again I've heard some complaints about quality control, but I have yet to shoot an ELD-X that didn't fly like a laser beam and absolutely hammer an animal...phenomenal round in my opinion. I've converted all of my hunting rifles to those bullets and those bullets only. Haven't been let down by them yet.
Also, great shooting and amazing results! Love it! 🤘🏻
Very impressive, also this channel is the best you guys do some great stuff
man admiring his ballistic gel
life doesn't get much better than that
Thats some good shooting, man.
Great job. You're really coming into your own with added skill and knowledge.
That's actually super impressive . I didnt think it was going through the full block . Cross is only 18" Barrel which is equally more impressive to have those results .
Nice video bro and nice freaking shooting
Great video!!! Even better footage!!! Just incredible!!
I really enjoy the videos you and your wife post, makes me happy. God bless you guys and your marriage.
I gotta apologize to Backfire. I've been watching your vids for months now and am an infinitely more competent rifle shooter as a result but I never subscribed. That fixed, thank you for the excellent content and passion
Thanks for the support!
Great video. Takes theory and puts it into application. Very, very well done.
Thanks, for the video!
The power of Mr. 6.5 is awesome.
Fantastic shooting and amazing results
thanks for posting this video,
this is real info that all us long rang hunter's like to see.
Excellent shooting man, good work! That's a solid effort for 600.
love your videos and how excited you get:) it's somewhere inspirational!
why don't you have same test with different calibers? 308, 300, 30-06, 5.56; you get the point. youtube will probably hate you, but "we are the people" would love you 👍
Great shooting! Being able to trust your ammo is extremely important.
Excellent testing over long ranges matching hunting distances
ELD-x 143 grains performs great on whitetails and contrary to the bashers it does not fragment or blow-up at shorter ranges. Since I started using my 6.5CM with the Eld-X ammo 4 seasons ago I have taken 8 mature northern whitetails at rangers from 60 to 120 yards and the bullet has performed flawlessly resulting in 1 to 2 inch exit holes all shot through the chest and a 25 to 50 yard death run with a great blood trails (with the bonus of no noticeable recoil).
Finally a ballistic gel test that actually simulates hunting distances [and farther].
Good shooting! Like you always wondered how a bullet expands at long distance. That you for showing us. And show's that speed is not factor if have the right bullet and hit the vitals. In other words you don't need every bullet screaming at 3000 fps. I always go for shoot ability and accuracy over speed. Grate video.
That was fun. It has been known for years that a slower, heavy for caliber bullet will penetrate exceptionally well. You've just re-affirmed that.
I had a hunter shoot an elk at 12 yds in the shoulder, I told him to shoot it again, he did. I told him to shoot it again and he responded "I hit him both times!" shoot again I ordered and he did whereupon the 6 pt dropped. The first bullet to the shoulder exploded and did not go into the ribcage. The second was further back and hit just ribs before going into the lungs but did not exit. The third shot was high and hit the spine but did not exit. 7mm STW with Sierra ballistic tips at 150 grains. Had the bull been 300 yds rather than 12, I think the first shot would have been effective. Bullet performance over a wide range of yardage is where all copper, a frame and partition bullets shine. Good test. Thank you.
What would a shotgun do at 12 yards?
You are the only person I know that actually shoots a ballistic gel at long range finally I get to see some actual testing in my opinion. I would however like to see the same test, with a standard setup AR-15 16" barrel chambered in 5.56/223 but with both cartridges and M193 & M855 this I need to see besides the fact I don't think it has been done
Point very well proven 🥂👍❣️ love this thought & efforts to share great bullet behavior. 👍👍😊
Thanks for this video I wish more channels would do the same with gel test. Nice shooting
Now that's stuff hardly any one shows so cool!!
I took a antelope last year with 6.5 creedmoor and a 140 ELD-M at 562yrds. In behind the left shoulder, out through the right shoulder. 2inch exit wound. No bullet fragments in the meat. If you go on the Hornaday mil/le web page it says the ELD-Ms have excellent terminal ballistic performance. From my experience this is quite accurate. There is just a stigma on the civilian side of using match bullets for hunting. When shot placement is key why wouldn't you want to shoot a more accurate projectile?
This. In a Marine Sniper platoon and all we’d shoot is BTHP. It works great. I hunt with 6.5 cm 147gr ELD-M.
@@thomasford2946 Thomas, as a Marine sniper how effective do you think the Creedmoor would have in a combat/sniper system? I know they've tested the .260 Remington and have some Creedmoor rifles. I was a bit surprised when they recommended a round like they ended up with considering the well known penetration/sectional density of the 6.5 bullet. Thank you for your service.
Yes, ive seen a video comparing the eldm and eldx, and there was little difference on gel
This is prob rhetorical, and common knowledge but I'll put it out here. The eld-x has a slightly thicker jacket and Is a great performer at closer ranges. Tougher, and can handle the higher velocities at closer ranges. On the other hand the m's with a thinner jacket act like the eld-x at the longer ranges and are amazing.
We hunt bear in eastern NC and the eld-x shines out to 400 yards. Past that out to 900 the eld-m is the projectile of choice. That's on thick bear hide, and dense muscle. Not trying to hit any bone except ribs or skull. Using 6.5 prc and 6.5 swede.... which is basically o.g. Creedmoor
“If it don’t got a picture of a deer on the box then it ain’t gonna kill a deer!”- Fudd logic 😂
Awesome shooting. Cool idea for a video also. I think there’s a reason no one else does long range ballistic tests on gel! Not easy
Amazing results!!! Wow
Finally someone doing real world testing!
The best part of this whole video is how supportive your wife is of you. Most would be like “ok….cool. You shot hello who cares.”
Awsome video 6.5 creed is Awsome, and you shoot really well,thanks for all the info,and hard work
This may be the best and most useful video you have done. I have been wanting to see some real longer distances shot at the gel for some time now. My max hunting distance I will shoot is 600, so this was perfect. Although I will not be shooting something that lacking in energy at that distance. Would love to see a 145Gr LRX shot at 600 at 32” of gel to compare out of a 28 Nosler or near equivalent.
For hunting I can’t warm up to anything smaller than a 7mm
Great video all the way around 👍👍👍
Amazing shooting. Can't wait to get the 6.5 prc. Doubt I'll ever hit 3 -600 yard shots in a row. Great job. Amazed at penetration .
6.5 caliber in general is no joke! I will admit I was skeptical of its ability when I first bought mine. For my wife and kids... he he. Seriously though I have had great success with mine so far. The sectional density and modest velocity of the creedmoor for example makes a round capable of brilliant penetration. Which is what history has taught with other rounds such as the 7x57, 6.5x55, 30-40, and of course the 30-06. All shooting heavy for caliber bullets such as the 175 grain in the 7mm, 160 in 6.5x55, 220s in the 30s mentioned. Obviously you would have to adjust your range at game taken. But above said bullets I would dare even say that they are all legendary, along with a proven time tested track record. All the creedmoor is, is a round built off the shoulders of giants. The 6.5 PRC and creedmoor just being 21st century rounds. 6.5x55 Swedish(creedmoor) 264 Winchester magnum(6.5 PRC) All 4 being good rounds. Good job and good shooting. God bless and take care. Just my humble 2 cents.
New subscriber here. Great content. Videos aren't forever long of pointless lip smacking. Great enthusiasm and very relevant. Keep up the good work!
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Awesome test. I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video testing bullets at long range for a while
THANK YOU! Your efforts are greatly appreciated B/C I use 6.5 PRC Hornady ELD-X ammo for hunting. I have a 6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle for long range (to 1,100 yards) competition and a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro for hunting here in Nevada. This year I've got a Nevada antelope tag and I'm using the 6.5 PRC because I may have to shoot out to 800+ yards on those very wary critters. My scope is a Bushnell Elite LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44 with a G3 illuminated "small Xmas tree" reticle so I don't have to dial. I use a larger H-59 Xmas tree reticle in my competition scope so I'm used to holding on the hash marks instead of dialing. (Did I mention I DON'T DIAL?;o)
BTW. I will use my hiking poles with the Quick stiX bipod joint which I have found greatly helps with accuracy. Weisner Industries makes this great mechanism which weighs only about 3 or 4 ounces. What an innovative piece of hunting gear!
I know ethical hunting generally takes place inside of 400 yards but this guy just show a 3 1/2” group at 600 and showed great expansion.
I’ve taken half a dozen bull elk and 4 bear with my 6.5 CM most with 1 shot. Usually don’t get a full pass through but it dumps all the energy into the animal with devastating results. 6.5CM is highly underrated.
Great video, can't wait to see the same test with different calibers