You can't make a video about pioneers of the modern forehand and not mention Aaron Krickstein. Kid was a phenom. Massive spin and power. The buggy-whip. The dip drive. Clean winners from behind the baseline. AND, in addition to cracking the mechanics, he was the first player to regularly run around his backhand to hit inside-out and inside-in forehands. Every point. Literally invented this. They ran multi-page tutorials in Tennis Magazine in the 80's trying to understand how he hit the ball so hard. I still remember the title: "Aaron Krickstein: The Kid With The Howitzer Forehand." Look it up.
Aaron was a tremendous player and I analyzed his footage, I just left it out of this video. If Aaron's watching, no harm meant by not putting you in this video. I probably left out 10 others who could have been honorable mention ;) Thanks for sharing your insights. -Jason Frausto
Thanks for the video. I think the best example of a modern forehand , actually it is more a next gen forehand, is from the Swiss player Marc Rosset. He was once number 9 in singles, and won men‘s singles gold medal in 1992 Olympics. Few people know about him today. It would be certainly worth a video about his technique. Big forehand and service and very good at the net. The backhand was weaker. Like Tsonga he used two-handed backhand and sometimes one-handed backhand, although Tsonga did it when defending, and Rosset in normal situations - this is probably the reason why his backhand was not really a weapon. Pro players using two- and one-handed backhand is certainly a good topic for a video, although it will be difficult to find material on this in modern tennis.
Very interesting! I guessed Berasategui (though I didn't know how to spell it) but I wasn't certain. I'm sure you already know this, but Berasategui's grips were so extreme that he always hit with the same face of the racquet on both forehand and backhand. I could never get the hang of hitting with a western or semiwestern grip. I use an eastern grip with my pointer finger running almost parallel to the back bevel. I have a tendency to lay back my wrist too much on the forehand and my contact point is also a little farther back than most and that grip helps me from hitting late for the most part. I definitely don't have a modern ATP forehand. ;)
My 77-year old Dad who still actively plays tennis every day loves this evolutionary breakdown of the modern day forehand. He's been working on developing the Western top spin with the "wag" wrist drop whip windshield wiper forehand for the past decade. Also thanks for pointing out Federer's finish at the waist visually very Samurai-esque sheathing the katana
I'm glad your dad found it helpful. It's possible for players at any age to pick this technique up with the right focus and training. Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto
Thanks, great video! I would like to see your analysis of the first next gen forehand. I can tell you right now my number one: Marc Rosset. His forehand was truly amazing (and his serve, of course). His problem was perhaps that he changed regularly his backhand topspin from both hands to one hand, not like Tsonga (who did it rarely), but very often. Something else. In your analysis you say that Federer bring the racket to the left side. Yes, but this was an inside out. The right perspective for the analysis should be with the camera more to (his) right side, where we would probably not see he braking the plane. But yes, Federer definitely changed his forehand, having a more compact movement, which is more consistent with him taking the ball very early. There is another idea from a video which would be great: the analysis of João Fonseca’s game. A lot of people are interested in his game, but I could not find any professional analysis . Thanks!
Marc Rosset had a very big next gen/ATP style forehand. He was a very good player, but as you said, his backhand was the main problem/issue. It was tough to find proper footage of Roger before he switched to a true ATP forehand and made his big run so I went with the best example I could find. Fonseca certainly has a nice game, his serve is a little "stiff/robotic" but he's young so he has plenty of time to change it if his coaches see fit. I can definitely try to do an analysis of his forehand. Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto
Krajicek, Safin, Philipoussis, Moya, Courier all had elements of this "ATP" style backswing. Meanwhile, players like Sampras and Agassi had more of the classic loop, in which the racket head is dropped before the start of the forward swing.
I don't think the racket necessarily needs to point to the side before the whipping action starts for it to be considered a modern forehand. Taylor Fritz and Djokovic's forehand are just as modern as the others but their racket heads point towards the rear before the whip like action to the front starts.
what Federer brought to the table was combining the modern forehand swing pattern with the old eastern grip....that's why it is so efficient.it creates angles ppl can't even dream of with western grip.to this day nobody has been able to copy it
@@TennisUnleashed Dont miss final also. we want to see how Djokovic made it after 2 low in sets 🙂 I am proud Serbian- i would say he made it as he is born champ😁 but really like to see from your prospective🙂
Fascinating stuff. Remember as a junior I always wanted to emulate Sock’s western grip + massive flip/racket lag. Although now I do think some of the styles these players adopt to cater to their FH can be counterproductive (namely, running around backhands leaving deuce side exposed as well as lacking much penetrating power). Wonder if you’ve done any videos on this subject + have thoughts on how the best modern players find this balance? Thanks!
Jack, Thanks you. You're definitely right about leaving the deuce side open too much by running around to crank forehands. It's an interesting strategical topic for sure. I don't have a video out on it yet but I'll add it to the list. As I'm sure you know, it could vary player to player based on how good their forehand is and who their opponent is. -Jason Frausto
I looked at Arias, he did not have the ATP/flip style forehand. 1987 Monte Carlo match against Wilander, no flip style forehand for Arias. You can also clearly see Arias here th-cam.com/video/fvBNhgGlrSw/w-d-xo.html breaking the plane on his forehand with no flip of the racket at all. Don't believe everything you read on the Tennis Warehouse forums ;) -Jason Frausto
@@allboutthemojo 100% yes. I released a video on Jannik Sinner's forehand technique a few weeks ago. You can check that out here th-cam.com/video/K2CpgayA3V0/w-d-xo.html I'll add your serve power video to the request list. Looking forward to making more content now that we built a studio space. :) -Jason Frausto
These days unfortunately that style of game/technique probably wouldn’t hold up. The ATP forehand is so widely adopted that you almost have to have it to be successful on tour. There are always exceptions of course. -Jason Frausto
Something else. I noted that a lot of french players have a weird technique, like Paire, Mannarino, and once Fabrice Santoro. Mannarino has perhaps the lowest string tension on tour (11kg!).
Enjoyed a lot all these old footages and analysis with my own remembrances. In the 90's I used to watch the 9 master 1000 (ATP 1000 now) since 1st round. There were a lot of spanish and argentine players I liked to follow: Albert Costa (my favourite along with Lendl in early 90s) Moya, Ferrero, Franco Squillari, Bruguera (Does anybody know that Lendl (N°11)easily beat Bruguera (N°21) in RG 92' in 1st round despite the latter had pretty good results in the clay season? (And Bruguera won RG in 93 (94 too)). But Lendl incredibly lost to Jaime Oncins (N°77) in 5 sets in 2nd round. In RG 93' Lendl (N°7) lost to Stephane Huet (N°297 !!!) in 1st round in 5 sets. That year Lendl ended N°18. In 94' Lendl finally retired after losing in 2nd round to Bernd Karbacher in US Open. Ended N°30 aged 34. Said had cronic back pain. The 1st months of 1994 weren't bad, he reached a final in Sydney vs Sampras; QF in AO vs Sampras again, QF in Dubai, QF in Tokyo, SF in Hong Kong vs Rafter, QF in Madrid vs Muster, RG lost in 1st round, QF in Coral Springs. Didn't play Wimbledon.
You definitely know the game well and followed it keenly during the 90's. Love your insights. So many great players from the past when we truly had different play styles across different surfaces. -Jason Frausto
Before watching, my first guess was Courier then I thought it would be Lendl or a random player I had never heard of. So I guess it was a pretty obscure player! Nice research and analysis
Thank you. You were definitely on the right track. Courier had nice elements in his take back but didn’t have the “flip”. It’s amazing that a guy that was #7 in the world is almost a “forgotten player”, but it was such a different time before the Internet era. I was surprised at who it was as well. Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto
Unfortunately not at the moment. Stroke courses for TennisUnleashed.net will be releasing in the future on TennisUnleashed.net Based on your needs though, I'm definitely open to releasing courses on Udemy as well. Thanks for watching. -Jason Frausto
I'm planning on doing the semi-final analysis but it's been delayed because I got sick. Normally they would be up 2 weeks after the match was played. The semi-final analysis is definitely coming. Thank you. -Jason Frausto
Is demanding to do the atp forehand at this time for the pro players ?? in my opinion no because it still players that does the raquet head back at not at the side like Lehecka and planty others, what's your opinion
I agree with you. Definitely not as demanding to do the ATP forehand. Much easier to get power and spin once you have the technique down. -Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed but you said in a video at this time that the atp forehand that is either call the half loop forehand the hand shouldn't be at the same high that the shoulder in the take back¡! And Casper Ruud takes back is shoulder level or even high. What is your opinion about what Im saying
I had no idea. I'll definitely try to find that Ferrer quote, I kind of wonder if all the Spanish players that followed tried to copy his forehand in some way because it was such a big shot? It sounds like it might have influenced Ferrer.. Great info, thanks for sharing. -Jason Frausto
If we talk at this time one of the best forehands on tour that is Rublev dosent have the atp forehand!¡ So we can said that that flip is not as mandatory as other components on the forehand at this moment on tour!¡
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Thank you for the kind words. It seems pretty unanimous that the semi-final against Nadal is the match everyone wants to see broken down. I've been working on it and it's on the way :) -Jason Frausto
@@TB9991 Sorry, I got very ill on Monday and am still quite ill so I have not been able to work on the video since Sunday. Hopefully in a few more days I can resume working on the analysis. The normal completion time is about 2 weeks after the match ends :) -Jason Frausto
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To be honest, I don´t really like the term "ATP forehand". Some of the best forehands ever: Sampras, Lendl, Borg, Gonzalez, Soderling, aren´t considered ATP forehands, that´s silly.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. All of the players mentioned had great forehands, Sampras consistently hit bullets on the run with his large loop forehand and extremely heavy Wilson Prostaff 85. It was certainly a great forehand as were the others mentioned. Thanks for dropping a comment. -Jason Frausto
Yes, much more Muster like. It looks like Rafa changed his forehand takeback at least 2-3 times throughout his career. Always trying to find a way to improve that shot. That mentality of "good is never good enough" is one of the things that makes him who he is. -Jason Frausto
@@jorgeandrescoppiano I would say the current version, he's able to attack so much better than he did when his ranking started to slip a few years back. It looked like he might have been on his way to retirement. He came back from that long "injury layoff" and changed that forehand to what it looks like today. In my opinion he removed all the "excess movement" from his forehand. If you remember when he had the severely tilted forehand back in 2013, guys would hit aggressively to that side and he had all sorts of trouble handling pace to his forehand. He got rid of that problem when he took that big tilt out of it. Kudos to his team for constantly improving and evolving his game. Everyone thought he would be retired by age 30, but here we are....they found a way to keep him winning well beyond 30. Do you think he's playing his best now or do you think he was better in the past? -Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed that’s a nice reply! I like his 2010-2013 fh the best. I do see that big take back and movements taking time from him. But if he had the chance to punish the ball, the shot was deadly put away. I gotta check today’s more detained. But I do recall seeing his shortened take back somewhat clunky at times. Definitely a shorter take back, more swingweight, recoil weight, and flip action, have helped him. And also taking in account he is not on his prime stamina to produce his most power on every shot. Still massive massive stamina and power. But I do wish to see the bigger take back a little more I also see a minor grip change. While always playing on bevel 4, his grip used to be closer to full Western. And today he’s closer to the Eastern. He used to play with two over grips. And now with one only iirc. Which do contribute on the racket path and wrist movement.
Roger made it popular but there were definitely other players who hit a full ATP forehand before Roger did. The difference with Roger was popularity and all the slow motion video that existed on TH-cam of Roger performing the movement. If that type of video existed in the 90’s people would have caught on earlier. -Jason Frausto
Kofi, Each how they were won video takes about 2 weeks to complete (custom stats analysis, filming and editing). There's also been debate on whether to do the semifinals or the finals of Roland Garros. Would you rather see the semifinal or finals analysis? Thank you. -Jason Frausto
Of course. Sergi Bruguera 2 times champion in RG. The guy who made Jim Courier feel his fh and bh had serious flaws against the new hitters. And missed on this. Shame on me!!! Ha ha ha was Berasategui. The guy who had a 2 weeks dream of being the best fh in the world if all courts were converted into red clay. Yeah with that eccentric super hyper western grip that soon proved to be of little use in hard and other courts.
Sergi had great strokes but not a true ATP forehand. Indeed it was the unconventional guy (Berasategui) with the crazy western/Hawaiian grip who posessed what we now call "The ATP Forehand". And what a forehand it was, if he only had a modern style backhand his results would have been even better than a career high of #7 in the world. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I love hearing about players from the past. -Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed Agree totally on that!!. Yeah Berasategui's backhand was far from his fh and remenber very well that Bruguera "seemed" not to do the unit turn, somehow looked like (of course he made some unit turn I guess) he always hit with just the chest facing the net and his ball went spun as high as Rafa's of course at 50% or less of his speed. Also he had a noticeably grip with the racquet facing the ground which I guess (not sure) was innovative at that time (I believe read it on Tennis Magazine from which I loved the 2 pages photos secuence depicting strokes from excellent players...and their explanations too 😃😃)
Andy Roddick, especially when he first made a splash on the pro tour also had a very "ATP" backswing. Keeping the racquet in front of the shoulder plane during the backswing is nothing new. I first noticed it in '97 when I started watching tennis. I also noticed the exceptions, e.g., most female players and some male players like Hewitt and Gonzalez. Why is this characteristic all of a sudden "a thing," a talking point, on so many tennis instructional channels?
Yes great player Berasategui! Very entertaining. But his grip was more extreme than what you are saying. They call it Hawaiian grip right? And I don't know... comparing this to the "ATP forehand" (which I think is put way to much emphasize on. It isn't useful at all in my opinion to talk about it. Not for beginners who want to learn how to play the game - it is actually pretty damaging and counterproductive - nor is it useful for advanced players - most haven't eben heard of the term). Because almost all modern players nowadays take their follow through up over their shoulder. Berasategui took it as you say over his hip. But again no tennis teacher is telling their pupils to do this racket lag or whatever. I've been playing from when I was 5 and starting my teacher education now. And these things just occur naturally.
I don’t think anyone is going to guess it was him, he was a clay court specialist with a career high ranking of #7. I was surprised he beat Federer to the punch....by a decade. -Jason Frausto
the new technology combination of strings & rackets, has led to some of the ugliest forehands ever. Sock, Khachanov & Tiafoe to name a few. the game now favors baseline offense & incredible defense, men's tennis has become very one dimentional playing mostly from the backcourt. Imagine if the players of the past with extreme grips like Courier, Berasategui & Bruguera had rackets like this today. We would be talking about them instead of Sampras, Becker & Agassi. The modern game is all clay court tennis, you don't see big changes in the results of any of the Grand Slams like the past. The lack of variety in game styles will ultimately lead to lackluster rivalries. Sampras vs Agassi, Federer vs Nadal, Evert vs Navratalova, Graf vs Seles. Contrast in styles leads to the most compelling match ups and rivalries. Will that ever happen again? Djokovic vs Nadal, Murray vs Nadal, Serena vs Venus, Serena vs Clisters ? We watched because we're tennis fans but the similarity in styles takes something away these contests
That's a great and insightful comment Mike. I agree, I love tennis, but when I started playing, synthetic strings were still the standard, racket head sizes were considerably smaller, and poly strings weren't used or thought to be "poor strings". I couldn't name a single player who played with poly and I think the first time I tried poly was around 1998, Big Banger original I believe. We no longer have contrasting styles, poly strings have made technique almost universal across strokes in many respects. The stroke that hasn't benefitted at all from poly string dominance? Volleys, volleys haven't improved at all during the polyester string era. I would love to see today's pros play completely with synthetic strings or gut as their only option, and to cap the maximum racket head size to 97 square inches at the most. Possibly even cap beam width sizes to a maximum width of 22mm. Now that the "cat is out of the bag" on optimal stroke technique, I think the baseline would still be where most pros would play, but I bet taking away all poly string usage would bring back the net game in a big way. Love your comment, thanks for sharing your thoughts. -Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed How could I forget Borg & McEnroe too. We didn't touch on the fact that there was a movement to slow down the courts to prevent the big servers from dominating. I understand slowing the surface down to promote more interesting and fan friendly viewing but with the advancement in the rackets/strings they might have overdone it. When they made the court surface at the 2017 Aussie Open faster it helped the attacking player and provided a higher quality of tennis with more balanced points. Definitely one of the more entertaining Slams in recent memory. Thanks and Keep up the good work Jason!
You can't make a video about pioneers of the modern forehand and not mention Aaron Krickstein. Kid was a phenom. Massive spin and power. The buggy-whip. The dip drive. Clean winners from behind the baseline. AND, in addition to cracking the mechanics, he was the first player to regularly run around his backhand to hit inside-out and inside-in forehands. Every point. Literally invented this. They ran multi-page tutorials in Tennis Magazine in the 80's trying to understand how he hit the ball so hard. I still remember the title: "Aaron Krickstein: The Kid With The Howitzer Forehand."
Look it up.
Aaron was a tremendous player and I analyzed his footage, I just left it out of this video. If Aaron's watching, no harm meant by not putting you in this video. I probably left out 10 others who could have been honorable mention ;) Thanks for sharing your insights.
-Jason Frausto
Thanks for the video. I think the best example of a modern forehand , actually it is more a next gen forehand, is from the Swiss player Marc Rosset. He was once number 9 in singles, and won men‘s singles gold medal in 1992 Olympics. Few people know about him today. It would be certainly worth a video about his technique. Big forehand and service and very good at the net. The backhand was weaker. Like Tsonga he used two-handed backhand and sometimes one-handed backhand, although Tsonga did it when defending, and Rosset in normal situations - this is probably the reason why his backhand was not really a weapon.
Pro players using two- and one-handed backhand is certainly a good topic for a video, although it will be difficult to find material on this in modern tennis.
Very interesting! I guessed Berasategui (though I didn't know how to spell it) but I wasn't certain. I'm sure you already know this, but Berasategui's grips were so extreme that he always hit with the same face of the racquet on both forehand and backhand. I could never get the hang of hitting with a western or semiwestern grip. I use an eastern grip with my pointer finger running almost parallel to the back bevel. I have a tendency to lay back my wrist too much on the forehand and my contact point is also a little farther back than most and that grip helps me from hitting late for the most part. I definitely don't have a modern ATP forehand. ;)
Lendl used an eastern grip , and it was great Federer used an eastern grip
My 77-year old Dad who still actively plays tennis every day loves this evolutionary breakdown of the modern day forehand. He's been working on developing the Western top spin with the "wag" wrist drop whip windshield wiper forehand for the past decade.
Also thanks for pointing out Federer's finish at the waist visually very Samurai-esque sheathing the katana
I'm glad your dad found it helpful. It's possible for players at any age to pick this technique up with the right focus and training. Thanks for watching.
-Jason Frausto
Good luck to him. Top forehands even now can use the Eastern grip.
What differentiates modern forehand is the separation between hip forward movement and racket lag.
Thanks, great video!
I would like to see your analysis of the first next gen forehand. I can tell you right now my number one: Marc Rosset. His forehand was truly amazing (and his serve, of course). His problem was perhaps that he changed regularly his backhand topspin from both hands to one hand, not like Tsonga (who did it rarely), but very often.
Something else. In your analysis you say that Federer bring the racket to the left side. Yes, but this was an inside out. The right perspective for the analysis should be with the camera more to (his) right side, where we would probably not see he braking the plane. But yes, Federer definitely changed his forehand, having a more compact movement, which is more consistent with him taking the ball very early.
There is another idea from a video which would be great: the analysis of João Fonseca’s game. A lot of people are interested in his game, but I could not find any professional analysis .
Thanks!
Marc Rosset had a very big next gen/ATP style forehand. He was a very good player, but as you said, his backhand was the main problem/issue. It was tough to find proper footage of Roger before he switched to a true ATP forehand and made his big run so I went with the best example I could find.
Fonseca certainly has a nice game, his serve is a little "stiff/robotic" but he's young so he has plenty of time to change it if his coaches see fit. I can definitely try to do an analysis of his forehand. Thanks for watching.
-Jason Frausto
Krajicek, Safin, Philipoussis, Moya, Courier all had elements of this "ATP" style backswing. Meanwhile, players like Sampras and Agassi had more of the classic loop, in which the racket head is dropped before the start of the forward swing.
I don't think the racket necessarily needs to point to the side before the whipping action starts for it to be considered a modern forehand. Taylor Fritz and Djokovic's forehand are just as modern as the others but their racket heads point towards the rear before the whip like action to the front starts.
what Federer brought to the table was combining the modern forehand swing pattern with the old eastern grip....that's why it is so efficient.it creates angles ppl can't even dream of with western grip.to this day nobody has been able to copy it
Alberto berasategi! I used to watch him in awe as a junior and would try to unsuccessfully imitate him…
Heck of a player. Glad you were a fan. I enjoyed watching Berasategui as well. Incredible racket head speed.
-Jason Frausto
Bera also did not change his grip to hit a back-hand, as his forehand grip was an extreme western grip .
looking forward for your analysis of rolland Garros Djokovic-Nadal 🙂
Thank you. I'm starting my work on that match tomorrow. I hope to have the analysis videos up 1-2 weeks after I start my initial work.
-Jason Frausto
Of course.. I‘m waiting like crazy for it🥲😄
@@TennisUnleashed Dont miss final also. we want to see how Djokovic made it after 2 low in sets 🙂 I am proud Serbian- i would say he made it as he is born champ😁 but really like to see from your prospective🙂
Wow just discovered this channel and love this detailed analysis, its a great help to improve my game, Thanks a lot!
@@LaSalviaBodysurf Thanks for the kind words and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. More to come.
-Jason Frausto
Fascinating stuff. Remember as a junior I always wanted to emulate Sock’s western grip + massive flip/racket lag. Although now I do think some of the styles these players adopt to cater to their FH can be counterproductive (namely, running around backhands leaving deuce side exposed as well as lacking much penetrating power). Wonder if you’ve done any videos on this subject + have thoughts on how the best modern players find this balance? Thanks!
Jack,
Thanks you. You're definitely right about leaving the deuce side open too much by running around to crank forehands. It's an interesting strategical topic for sure. I don't have a video out on it yet but I'll add it to the list. As I'm sure you know, it could vary player to player based on how good their forehand is and who their opponent is.
-Jason Frausto
Always thought it was Jimmy Arias. Played ATP from 1980 to 94. Ranking peak was #5 in ‘84.
I looked at Arias, he did not have the ATP/flip style forehand. 1987 Monte Carlo match against Wilander, no flip style forehand for Arias.
You can also clearly see Arias here th-cam.com/video/fvBNhgGlrSw/w-d-xo.html
breaking the plane on his forehand with no flip of the racket at all. Don't believe everything you read on the Tennis Warehouse forums ;)
-Jason Frausto
great video. tennis is such a technical game and you really understand it and transfer your knowledge to your audience
Thank you for the kind words. You’re 100% correct. Technique, tactics, movement and the mind/mental game. More to come.
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed awesome. You are back! It's been years!
@@allboutthemojo Guess who's back.....back again.....Jason's back.....tell a friend ;)
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed 👍can we expect more content now? Especially on hitting big serves?
@@allboutthemojo 100% yes. I released a video on Jannik Sinner's forehand technique a few weeks ago. You can check that out here th-cam.com/video/K2CpgayA3V0/w-d-xo.html
I'll add your serve power video to the request list. Looking forward to making more content now that we built a studio space. :)
-Jason Frausto
What is your opinion about the classic forehand as connors or others doing with a western grip¿? Can work in the pro circuit
These days unfortunately that style of game/technique probably wouldn’t hold up. The ATP forehand is so widely adopted that you almost have to have it to be successful on tour. There are always exceptions of course.
-Jason Frausto
Something else. I noted that a lot of french players have a weird technique, like Paire, Mannarino, and once Fabrice Santoro. Mannarino has perhaps the lowest string tension on tour (11kg!).
Enjoyed a lot all these old footages and analysis with my own remembrances. In the 90's I used to watch the 9 master 1000 (ATP 1000 now) since 1st round. There were a lot of spanish and argentine players I liked to follow: Albert Costa (my favourite along with Lendl in early 90s) Moya, Ferrero, Franco Squillari, Bruguera (Does anybody know that Lendl (N°11)easily beat Bruguera (N°21) in RG 92' in 1st round despite the latter had pretty good results in the clay season? (And Bruguera won RG in 93 (94 too)). But Lendl incredibly lost to Jaime Oncins (N°77) in 5 sets in 2nd round.
In RG 93' Lendl (N°7) lost to Stephane Huet (N°297 !!!) in 1st round in 5 sets.
That year Lendl ended N°18.
In 94' Lendl finally retired after losing in 2nd round to Bernd Karbacher in US Open. Ended N°30 aged 34. Said had cronic back pain.
The 1st months of 1994 weren't bad, he reached a final in Sydney vs Sampras; QF in AO vs Sampras again, QF in Dubai, QF in Tokyo, SF in Hong Kong vs Rafter, QF in Madrid vs Muster, RG lost in 1st round, QF in Coral Springs. Didn't play Wimbledon.
You definitely know the game well and followed it keenly during the 90's. Love your insights. So many great players from the past when we truly had different play styles across different surfaces.
-Jason Frausto
I thought that last guy was Pete Sampras bc of the haircut lol. Anyway great video as always!
Good old Pete Sampras ;) Thanks for the kind words. More to come.
-Jason Frausto
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Before watching, my first guess was Courier then I thought it would be Lendl or a random player I had never heard of. So I guess it was a pretty obscure player! Nice research and analysis
Thank you. You were definitely on the right track. Courier had nice elements in his take back but didn’t have the “flip”. It’s amazing that a guy that was #7 in the world is almost a “forgotten player”, but it was such a different time before the Internet era. I was surprised at who it was as well. Thanks for watching.
-Jason Frausto
Jason do you have a Udemy course on tennis strokes? I'm struggling to watch all your tutorials in the right sequence.
Unfortunately not at the moment. Stroke courses for TennisUnleashed.net will be releasing in the future on TennisUnleashed.net
Based on your needs though, I'm definitely open to releasing courses on Udemy as well. Thanks for watching.
-Jason Frausto
When will the FO SF and Final analysis come?
I'm planning on doing the semi-final analysis but it's been delayed because I got sick. Normally they would be up 2 weeks after the match was played. The semi-final analysis is definitely coming. Thank you.
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed - oh get well soon mate !
Is demanding to do the atp forehand at this time for the pro players ?? in my opinion no because it still players that does the raquet head back at not at the side like Lehecka and planty others, what's your opinion
I agree with you. Definitely not as demanding to do the ATP forehand. Much easier to get power and spin once you have the technique down.
-Jason Frausto
Didn’t Sergi Brugera have a huge lag and flip also??? Same era as Berasategui….
Good question. I looked at Brugera as well but he did not have the “flip” he laid his wrist back on the forehead during the take back.
-Jason Frausto
Does Casper Ruud has the atp forehand¿?
Ruud does 100%.
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed but you said in a video at this time that the atp forehand that is either call the half loop forehand the hand shouldn't be at the same high that the shoulder in the take back¡! And Casper Ruud takes back is shoulder level or even high. What is your opinion about what Im saying
What's the stutter at the beginning deliberate!? Lol
LOL. Mission accomplished......it got your attention.
-Jason Frausto
Great and interesting stuff!
Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. More to come soon.
-Jason Frausto
I think David Ferrer chose this guys forehand when he was constructing his perfect player about 7 years ago, might be wrong
I had no idea. I'll definitely try to find that Ferrer quote, I kind of wonder if all the Spanish players that followed tried to copy his forehand in some way because it was such a big shot? It sounds like it might have influenced Ferrer.. Great info, thanks for sharing.
-Jason Frausto
If we talk at this time one of the best forehands on tour that is Rublev dosent have the atp forehand!¡ So we can said that that flip is not as mandatory as other components on the forehand at this moment on tour!¡
Berasetregi…. Did I spell that correct????
I really like your analysis, they are awesome‼️🔝✨🤓💪🏼
Can you do a analysis of
the french open 21 semi ( djokovic bs. nadal)!?
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Pls do more🤓❤️
Thank you for the kind words. It seems pretty unanimous that the semi-final against Nadal is the match everyone wants to see broken down. I've been working on it and it's on the way :)
-Jason Frausto
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Thank You sooo much Bro‼️🙏✨❤️🏆🔝
When is it done, the analyzis ? Dont want stressing you; so sry for the question🥲
@@TB9991 Sorry, I got very ill on Monday and am still quite ill so I have not been able to work on the video since Sunday. Hopefully in a few more days I can resume working on the analysis. The normal completion time is about 2 weeks after the match ends :)
-Jason Frausto
Oh, I‘m really sorry for You. Hope you feel better soon. 😕
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Give you manny probs and respect for it👍🏼💪🏼
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To be honest, I don´t really like the term "ATP forehand". Some of the best forehands ever: Sampras, Lendl, Borg, Gonzalez, Soderling, aren´t considered ATP forehands, that´s silly.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. All of the players mentioned had great forehands, Sampras consistently hit bullets on the run with his large loop forehand and extremely heavy Wilson Prostaff 85. It was certainly a great forehand as were the others mentioned. Thanks for dropping a comment.
-Jason Frausto
Rafa in 2013 had the Muster take back
Yes, much more Muster like. It looks like Rafa changed his forehand takeback at least 2-3 times throughout his career. Always trying to find a way to improve that shot. That mentality of "good is never good enough" is one of the things that makes him who he is.
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed which is your favorite version of Rafa’s fh?
@@jorgeandrescoppiano I would say the current version, he's able to attack so much better than he did when his ranking started to slip a few years back. It looked like he might have been on his way to retirement. He came back from that long "injury layoff" and changed that forehand to what it looks like today.
In my opinion he removed all the "excess movement" from his forehand. If you remember when he had the severely tilted forehand back in 2013, guys would hit aggressively to that side and he had all sorts of trouble handling pace to his forehand. He got rid of that problem when he took that big tilt out of it.
Kudos to his team for constantly improving and evolving his game. Everyone thought he would be retired by age 30, but here we are....they found a way to keep him winning well beyond 30.
Do you think he's playing his best now or do you think he was better in the past?
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed that’s a nice reply! I like his 2010-2013 fh the best. I do see that big take back and movements taking time from him. But if he had the chance to punish the ball, the shot was deadly put away.
I gotta check today’s more detained. But I do recall seeing his shortened take back somewhat clunky at times. Definitely a shorter take back, more swingweight, recoil weight, and flip action, have helped him. And also taking in account he is not on his prime stamina to produce his most power on every shot. Still massive massive stamina and power. But I do wish to see the bigger take back a little more
I also see a minor grip change. While always playing on bevel 4, his grip used to be closer to full Western. And today he’s closer to the Eastern. He used to play with two over grips. And now with one only iirc. Which do contribute on the racket path and wrist movement.
Check Jimmy Arias. he had modern technique.
Jimmy almost had it but not quite. Appreciate you dropping a comment.
-Jason Frausto
Only young people think Federer invented the modern forehand. It is ridiculous. There were so many modern forehands before he came on stage.
Roger made it popular but there were definitely other players who hit a full ATP forehand before Roger did. The difference with Roger was popularity and all the slow motion video that existed on TH-cam of Roger performing the movement. If that type of video existed in the 90’s people would have caught on earlier.
-Jason Frausto
Where is how RG2021 was won?
Kofi,
Each how they were won video takes about 2 weeks to complete (custom stats analysis, filming and editing). There's also been debate on whether to do the semifinals or the finals of Roland Garros. Would you rather see the semifinal or finals analysis? Thank you.
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed Semi-Final please..the accomplishment of the most difficult task in sport..
@@gmnboss Sounds good. Thank you.
-Jason Frausto
Of course. Sergi Bruguera 2 times champion in RG. The guy who made Jim Courier feel his fh and bh had serious flaws against the new hitters.
And missed on this. Shame on me!!! Ha ha ha was Berasategui. The guy who had a 2 weeks dream of being the best fh in the world if all courts were converted into red clay. Yeah with that eccentric super hyper western grip that soon proved to be of little use in hard and other courts.
Sergi had great strokes but not a true ATP forehand. Indeed it was the unconventional guy (Berasategui) with the crazy western/Hawaiian grip who posessed what we now call "The ATP Forehand". And what a forehand it was, if he only had a modern style backhand his results would have been even better than a career high of #7 in the world. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I love hearing about players from the past.
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed Agree totally on that!!. Yeah Berasategui's backhand was far from his fh and remenber very well that Bruguera "seemed" not to do the unit turn, somehow looked like (of course he made some unit turn I guess) he always hit with just the chest facing the net and his ball went spun as high as Rafa's of course at 50% or less of his speed.
Also he had a noticeably grip with the racquet facing the ground which I guess (not sure) was innovative at that time (I believe read it on Tennis Magazine from which I loved the 2 pages photos secuence depicting strokes from excellent players...and their explanations too 😃😃)
Andy Roddick, especially when he first made a splash on the pro tour also had a very "ATP" backswing. Keeping the racquet in front of the shoulder plane during the backswing is nothing new. I first noticed it in '97 when I started watching tennis. I also noticed the exceptions, e.g., most female players and some male players like Hewitt and Gonzalez. Why is this characteristic all of a sudden "a thing," a talking point, on so many tennis instructional channels?
Yes great player Berasategui! Very entertaining. But his grip was more extreme than what you are saying. They call it Hawaiian grip right? And I don't know... comparing this to the "ATP forehand" (which I think is put way to much emphasize on. It isn't useful at all in my opinion to talk about it. Not for beginners who want to learn how to play the game - it is actually pretty damaging and counterproductive - nor is it useful for advanced players - most haven't eben heard of the term). Because almost all modern players nowadays take their follow through up over their shoulder. Berasategui took it as you say over his hip.
But again no tennis teacher is telling their pupils to do this racket lag or whatever. I've been playing from when I was 5 and starting my teacher education now. And these things just occur naturally.
Guessing before I've seen the whole vid: Philapoussis?
Excellent guess. Not the guy though, but excellent guess.
-Jason Frausto
oops. I followed tennis pretty closely in the 90s and do not remember this guy.
I don’t think anyone is going to guess it was him, he was a clay court specialist with a career high ranking of #7. I was surprised he beat Federer to the punch....by a decade.
-Jason Frausto
the new technology combination of strings & rackets, has led to some of the ugliest forehands ever. Sock, Khachanov & Tiafoe to name a few. the game now favors baseline offense & incredible defense, men's tennis has become very one dimentional playing mostly from the backcourt. Imagine if the players of the past with extreme grips like Courier, Berasategui & Bruguera had rackets like this today. We would be talking about them instead of Sampras, Becker & Agassi. The modern game is all clay court tennis, you don't see big changes in the results of any of the Grand Slams like the past. The lack of variety in game styles will ultimately lead to lackluster rivalries. Sampras vs Agassi, Federer vs Nadal, Evert vs Navratalova, Graf vs Seles. Contrast in styles leads to the most compelling match ups and rivalries. Will that ever happen again? Djokovic vs Nadal, Murray vs Nadal, Serena vs Venus, Serena vs Clisters ? We watched because we're tennis fans but the similarity in styles takes something away these contests
That's a great and insightful comment Mike. I agree, I love tennis, but when I started playing, synthetic strings were still the standard, racket head sizes were considerably smaller, and poly strings weren't used or thought to be "poor strings". I couldn't name a single player who played with poly and I think the first time I tried poly was around 1998, Big Banger original I believe.
We no longer have contrasting styles, poly strings have made technique almost universal across strokes in many respects. The stroke that hasn't benefitted at all from poly string dominance? Volleys, volleys haven't improved at all during the polyester string era. I would love to see today's pros play completely with synthetic strings or gut as their only option, and to cap the maximum racket head size to 97 square inches at the most. Possibly even cap beam width sizes to a maximum width of 22mm.
Now that the "cat is out of the bag" on optimal stroke technique, I think the baseline would still be where most pros would play, but I bet taking away all poly string usage would bring back the net game in a big way.
Love your comment, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
-Jason Frausto
@@TennisUnleashed How could I forget Borg & McEnroe too. We didn't touch on the fact that there was a movement to slow down the courts to prevent the big servers from dominating. I understand slowing the surface down to promote more interesting and fan friendly viewing but with the advancement in the rackets/strings they might have overdone it. When they made the court surface at the 2017 Aussie Open faster it helped the attacking player and provided a higher quality of tennis with more balanced points. Definitely one of the more entertaining Slams in recent memory. Thanks and Keep up the good work Jason!