If you don't have a very early spot in the reservations queue, you don't need to worry about all that at this time. Once they start delivering, early reservation holders will use their production-grade apterae in all sorts of conditions and a year later, a lot of questions will have answers (and likely, there will be also some new questions). Also, in case there are some minor issues, guess they will just improve their future production.
When production starts at the beginning of July 2025, unless you have one ordered, you won’t be able to get one until July 2027. With them being on the street, sales will explode and then see 2029 as the first time you can buy one because of wanting to try it out.
I was driven in one of the most recent prototypes a few weeks ago by Chris McCann. He asked if I wanted to see what it could do? I said sure, we then proceeded to race and screech around very tight turns that would have flipped most cars. With a wide wheel base, low weight, low belly, it does amazingly well. I have no doubt it will do good in poor weather as it handles so well. I was also impressed with the progress they were making as I had been there 6 months before. Sure its taking long, but such is life. I have no doubt I will have my vehicle late spring/sometime in the summer of next year. Then again, I am #23.
These are fantastic questions which we all have, but you're right, the answers are not particularly quantified at this time. There has been rather extensive computer simulation and actual track driving done during development, resulting in a minor design changes and tweaks. Aptera staff have spent time with the Gamma prototype on the highway and in the city as well, and report excellent handling characteristics. All of us eagerly await the P.I. or Production Intent vehicles (being built as we speak) which will be real-world tested for crash results, range, durability, etc. Aptera expects testing to begin in a month or two, with results coming in as the testing takes place. These are exciting times to be following Aptera's progress!! Thanks for another great video.
I really looking forward to more information, if they give me a car I can test it for a bit, I want to do a West coast t east coast drive :) cannot wait.
A few things to remember, the Gamma is over 2 years old. The design has completely changed (even though it looks similar) the delta is pretty much starting over again when it comes to the design. Let's look at the changes. 1. Completely new body. This has never been tested in the real world. It looks pretty buy pretty does not mean it actually works. 2. Completely new frame (which has been changed twice and the original was never made). 3. Completely new method of propulsion. Went from three hub to a single inboard unit. 4. New suspension. The front has changed twice due to point #3. So, they have zero information on how this is going to work in the real world. All previous testing might as well be thrown in the trash. Simulations are one thing but you still need to test in the real world. 5. New cooling system. Skin was ditched to go back to a traditional heat exchanger. No testing on that as of yet. What you see in the Gamma will not be what you see in the Delta. I hope people see that as opposed to looking at the shiny object in the room and ignoring the details. Plus, I will have to do a test drive in the Aptera before I plop down $50K on one. Then see if the company will survive as I don;t want to be like other companies that go under and you are on your own when it comes to fixing it.
Yes there have been several design changes, but why do you presume they are bad because you have not seen them tested? Most, if not all, of these changes are more than likely improvements, but we will have to wait to see. Until that time I will remain positive on the outlook for Aptera.
@@glennzajic7318 I think were all excited to see the Aptera released more than anything and questioning how and where we will spend our money, as we believe in the product. Thank you for your comment though.
@@glennzajic7318 - I'm an engineer and want to see my designs tested. Every other engineer I know and work with does the same thing. If Aptera is exempt from this, then they should go straight to production. Let the customer do the long version million mile testing. They have the right to repair, so it'll be easy. Right?
@@billsmith5960 While I do not have any degrees in engineering, I do have good practical understanding about the field. They did not have a bunch of uneducated dreamers do their development work on this. It was Costamp in coordination with CPC and others, all very experienced in these fields. We did not get to see all the testing of the older designs either, but I was still comfortable with them. If they wanted to move forward with untested technology, they certainly could have and many would have preferred not to wait. I, for one, am glad they did not choose that quicker path to production. I guess time will tell if they produce a high quality product or one that is subject to many failures. I remain positive, but open to all possibilities.
I would expect the Aptera to perform similarly to a large and heavy motorcycle or three wheeler. It will most certainly lose traction in the rain, quite a bit more than a four wheeled vehicle. It's low and wide stance should compensate for some of that, but that's just expected of three wheels. It supposedly will have traction control systems, which most motorcycles do not. Since it's going to be front wheel drive at release, though, and not all wheel drive, it will not be able to control slippage as much as it could. I wonder how much traction control it will have at launch, and whether that will be something that improves over the next few years. In short, you will have to drive carefully and be mindful of your conditions. California is known for its good weather and so I expect someone who is from the northeast will have to put more effort into dealing with the weather. The miles gained from solar power will be much less in the winter (although I estimate it would not be less than 20 miles a day) and EV's do lose range in the winter. I'll note that that range isn't lost permanently though, once you warm your battery a lot of that charge comes back. Since Aptera will be able to use the sun to warm the battery, you don't have the problem of your car being unable to start because the battery is too cold. Even on a cloudy day or in a light rain you should get some charge, and it's all about charging your battery over time. If push comes to shove, you can always stop at a Supercharger. The Aptera will also be much better in winter conditions than a motorcycle. It will be larger and heavier, even it it's lighter than an automobile. The power to weight ratio probably isn't going to be that excessive; it is extremely light, yes, but it's also lower powered since it doesn't need as much power to push it around. The battery is extremely light and low voltage , and it doesn't need to hold as much charge to get that range. And the motor is smaller and more efficient. And the 600 mile and 1000 mile options should be even heavier and hold the road better. I wouldn't try to guess how long it will take them to come out, but if you're willing to wait, that's an option you might want to consider. (And if you are concerned about the weight, don't get the 250 mile variant when it comes out) We're hoping the first drivable production intent model comes out in a month or two, but even if it takes until the end of the year there should be four or five models like Gamma out there to show the Aptera around. And they'll be able to confirm it's range and performance under conditions not found in California. I'm looking forward to it too. We have sun down here in Texas, but we also have rain. Lots of rain. 😂
I'll also add that the Aptera uses standard 16 inch tires, so the contact patch is about 3/4 the size of a typical automobile. Slippage from extreme maneuvers will probably be more common than crosswinds, since the Aptera is aerodynamic in all directions. A lot of wind force is just going to slip past.
Your interest in actually being able to experience a vehicle before you purchase suggests an interest in the practical and in value. In short, knowing a vehicle is right for you before you use your money. Aptera has yet to produce a single complete vehicle that substantiates its claims, let alone offer an opportunity for independent review. I don't think you have to go too far with this possibility before you discard it, particularly in the UK. - As you go about your travels, ask yourself how you would fare if you had to drive a vehicle that has low cosmetic fairings that are 330 mm wider than what you're driving. 450 mm wider than the body of a TX-4 hackney carriage. Could you even register it? - Your driving profile. Unless you frequently travel longer distances at higher speeds, the aero advantages would not be seen. How do you drive? - Given your weather, what meaningful contribution would you expect from the solar? - Do you need to carry more than one passenger, or will this be your second vehicle? - Cargo. Do you carry anything of appreciable mass that you would be putting in the rear of a three-wheeled vehicle whose stability depends on you not doing that? - If you fractured a windshield, how long could you wait for a replacement? Just some basics... Additionally, a 3-wheeled aerodynamic solar-assisted EV concept would have been far superior if it had been designed with UK or EU constraints. That's been among its biggest misses. It would have been far better if it were a product of an experienced manufacturer. Aptera has negligable experience at product development (as evidenced by lack of test mules and minimal development over the last 2 years, i.e., since Beta) and no manufacturing expertise (as evidenced by their failed history and the empty building in Carlsbad). Lastly, price/value. Recently, Aptera engaged a company called US Capital Group in an effort to secure operating capital. In this offering, they listed a $30K USD Bill of Materials. That would not include anything beyond parts and subassemblies. They listed substantial needs as to future operating capital and predict substantial losses going forward. All of this suggests an Aptera price far in excess of their current disclosure to customers. At least 2X if they can produce it and if they do, no suggestion it will be for long. Perhaps you should consider you are looking, at best, at an expensive orphan. Just my opinion after 2 years of observing this...
As Accelerator #142, I will be happy to answer your questions beginning this time next year. I have driven Gamma, but was so excited (not to mention that the ever-distracting Audra was riding along,) that I didnt notice anywhere near as much as I should have. Hoping to test drive a PI build when I visit in mid-December, I'll let you know how that goes. Pay no heed to Shrimpy and the Negatones, non-believers sre constantly on pa-TROLL.
great comment, I look forward to the December feedback, I think it so important. I have confidence in the company and hold great hope and faith that once the autocycle becomes readily available, all questions will be answered. Thank you for sharing.
These conserns don't worry me. Financing worries me. Good questions though. Your questions will only be answered after hundreds are on the road. That may not need to be stated but oh well. I can't even buy one until after 20,000 or on the road. So just be patient I don't know what number you are in line.
@@RandyDuerr I think you made a much better point than what I made financing will be an absolute major hurdle to overcome. Excellent point, thanks for sharing.
I totally understand your concerns,but being a front wheel drive just like a lot of front drive cars it shouldn’t be much different and being as most of your braking is done on the front wheels that shouldn’t be much different and,that being said as it will it suppose to have a wight of 70-30 it should be very little difference
If you don't have a very early spot in the reservations queue, you don't need to worry about all that at this time. Once they start delivering, early reservation holders will use their production-grade apterae in all sorts of conditions and a year later, a lot of questions will have answers (and likely, there will be also some new questions). Also, in case there are some minor issues, guess they will just improve their future production.
that is also true, it will probably take years to get my cars :) I appreciate your comment and making a very valid point
When production starts at the beginning of July 2025, unless you have one ordered, you won’t be able to get one until July 2027. With them being on the street, sales will explode and then see 2029 as the first time you can buy one because of wanting to try it out.
excellent comment and I kinda agree with you. Thank you for your comment.
I was driven in one of the most recent prototypes a few weeks ago by Chris McCann. He asked if I wanted to see what it could do? I said sure, we then proceeded to race and screech around very tight turns that would have flipped most cars. With a wide wheel base, low weight, low belly, it does amazingly well. I have no doubt it will do good in poor weather as it handles so well. I was also impressed with the progress they were making as I had been there 6 months before. Sure its taking long, but such is life. I have no doubt I will have my vehicle late spring/sometime in the summer of next year. Then again, I am #23.
nice, you are very fortunate, thank you for sharing.
These are fantastic questions which we all have, but you're right, the answers are not particularly quantified at this time. There has been rather extensive computer simulation and actual track driving done during development, resulting in a minor design changes and tweaks. Aptera staff have spent time with the Gamma prototype on the highway and in the city as well, and report excellent handling characteristics. All of us eagerly await the P.I. or Production Intent vehicles (being built as we speak) which will be real-world tested for crash results, range, durability, etc. Aptera expects testing to begin in a month or two, with results coming in as the testing takes place. These are exciting times to be following Aptera's progress!! Thanks for another great video.
nice comment, these are exciting times indeed, I cannot wait to be honest.
@@BeardyBrits My wife and I sure understand that! We are rabid for Aptera news and dream about delivery day!!
Great point! We need to see winter and rain driving examples. Great video.
You need to see much more than that.
I really looking forward to more information, if they give me a car I can test it for a bit, I want to do a West coast t east coast drive :) cannot wait.
@@BeardyBrits Where did my comment go? If you don't put it up, I will call you out for being a low-life blocker on my channel.
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@@johnreeves7261 I don't do anything you tell me. You are wasting your effort just trying.
A few things to remember, the Gamma is over 2 years old. The design has completely changed (even though it looks similar) the delta is pretty much starting over again when it comes to the design. Let's look at the changes.
1. Completely new body. This has never been tested in the real world. It looks pretty buy pretty does not mean it actually works.
2. Completely new frame (which has been changed twice and the original was never made).
3. Completely new method of propulsion. Went from three hub to a single inboard unit.
4. New suspension. The front has changed twice due to point #3. So, they have zero information on how this is going to work in the real world. All previous testing might as well be thrown in the trash. Simulations are one thing but you still need to test in the real world.
5. New cooling system. Skin was ditched to go back to a traditional heat exchanger. No testing on that as of yet.
What you see in the Gamma will not be what you see in the Delta. I hope people see that as opposed to looking at the shiny object in the room and ignoring the details. Plus, I will have to do a test drive in the Aptera before I plop down $50K on one. Then see if the company will survive as I don;t want to be like other companies that go under and you are on your own when it comes to fixing it.
very valuable comment, thanks for sharing.
Yes there have been several design changes, but why do you presume they are bad because you have not seen them tested? Most, if not all, of these changes are more than likely improvements, but we will have to wait to see. Until that time I will remain positive on the outlook for Aptera.
@@glennzajic7318 I think were all excited to see the Aptera released more than anything and questioning how and where we will spend our money, as we believe in the product. Thank you for your comment though.
@@glennzajic7318 - I'm an engineer and want to see my designs tested. Every other engineer I know and work with does the same thing. If Aptera is exempt from this, then they should go straight to production. Let the customer do the long version million mile testing. They have the right to repair, so it'll be easy. Right?
@@billsmith5960 While I do not have any degrees in engineering, I do have good practical understanding about the field. They did not have a bunch of uneducated dreamers do their development work on this. It was Costamp in coordination with CPC and others, all very experienced in these fields. We did not get to see all the testing of the older designs either, but I was still comfortable with them. If they wanted to move forward with untested technology, they certainly could have and many would have preferred not to wait. I, for one, am glad they did not choose that quicker path to production. I guess time will tell if they produce a high quality product or one that is subject to many failures. I remain positive, but open to all possibilities.
I would expect the Aptera to perform similarly to a large and heavy motorcycle or three wheeler. It will most certainly lose traction in the rain, quite a bit more than a four wheeled vehicle. It's low and wide stance should compensate for some of that, but that's just expected of three wheels.
It supposedly will have traction control systems, which most motorcycles do not. Since it's going to be front wheel drive at release, though, and not all wheel drive, it will not be able to control slippage as much as it could. I wonder how much traction control it will have at launch, and whether that will be something that improves over the next few years.
In short, you will have to drive carefully and be mindful of your conditions. California is known for its good weather and so I expect someone who is from the northeast will have to put more effort into dealing with the weather. The miles gained from solar power will be much less in the winter (although I estimate it would not be less than 20 miles a day) and EV's do lose range in the winter. I'll note that that range isn't lost permanently though, once you warm your battery a lot of that charge comes back. Since Aptera will be able to use the sun to warm the battery, you don't have the problem of your car being unable to start because the battery is too cold. Even on a cloudy day or in a light rain you should get some charge, and it's all about charging your battery over time. If push comes to shove, you can always stop at a Supercharger.
The Aptera will also be much better in winter conditions than a motorcycle. It will be larger and heavier, even it it's lighter than an automobile. The power to weight ratio probably isn't going to be that excessive; it is extremely light, yes, but it's also lower powered since it doesn't need as much power to push it around. The battery is extremely light and low voltage , and it doesn't need to hold as much charge to get that range. And the motor is smaller and more efficient.
And the 600 mile and 1000 mile options should be even heavier and hold the road better. I wouldn't try to guess how long it will take them to come out, but if you're willing to wait, that's an option you might want to consider. (And if you are concerned about the weight, don't get the 250 mile variant when it comes out)
We're hoping the first drivable production intent model comes out in a month or two, but even if it takes until the end of the year there should be four or five models like Gamma out there to show the Aptera around. And they'll be able to confirm it's range and performance under conditions not found in California. I'm looking forward to it too. We have sun down here in Texas, but we also have rain. Lots of rain. 😂
I'll also add that the Aptera uses standard 16 inch tires, so the contact patch is about 3/4 the size of a typical automobile. Slippage from extreme maneuvers will probably be more common than crosswinds, since the Aptera is aerodynamic in all directions. A lot of wind force is just going to slip past.
valid, I look forward, these are exciting times.
nice thanks for sharing
Your questions will be answered with the PI builds that they are putting together now.
@@madmotorcyclist I look forward to it. Thank you for sharing.
Your interest in actually being able to experience a vehicle before you purchase suggests an interest in the practical and in value.
In short, knowing a vehicle is right for you before you use your money.
Aptera has yet to produce a single complete vehicle that substantiates its claims, let alone offer an opportunity for independent review.
I don't think you have to go too far with this possibility before you discard it, particularly in the UK.
- As you go about your travels, ask yourself how you would fare if you had to drive a vehicle that has low cosmetic fairings that are 330 mm wider than what you're driving. 450 mm wider than the body of a TX-4 hackney carriage. Could you even register it?
- Your driving profile. Unless you frequently travel longer distances at higher speeds, the aero advantages would not be seen. How do you drive?
- Given your weather, what meaningful contribution would you expect from the solar?
- Do you need to carry more than one passenger, or will this be your second vehicle?
- Cargo. Do you carry anything of appreciable mass that you would be putting in the rear of a three-wheeled vehicle whose stability depends on you not doing that?
- If you fractured a windshield, how long could you wait for a replacement?
Just some basics...
Additionally, a 3-wheeled aerodynamic solar-assisted EV concept would have been far superior if it had been designed with UK or EU constraints. That's been among its biggest misses. It would have been far better if it were a product of an experienced manufacturer. Aptera has negligable experience at product development (as evidenced by lack of test mules and minimal development over the last 2 years, i.e., since Beta) and no manufacturing expertise (as evidenced by their failed history and the empty building in Carlsbad).
Lastly, price/value. Recently, Aptera engaged a company called US Capital Group in an effort to secure operating capital. In this offering, they listed a $30K USD Bill of Materials. That would not include anything beyond parts and subassemblies. They listed substantial needs as to future operating capital and predict substantial losses going forward. All of this suggests an Aptera price far in excess of their current disclosure to customers. At least 2X if they can produce it and if they do, no suggestion it will be for long. Perhaps you should consider you are looking, at best, at an expensive orphan.
Just my opinion after 2 years of observing this...
all valid questions
As Accelerator #142, I will be happy to answer your questions beginning this time next year. I have driven Gamma, but was so excited (not to mention that the ever-distracting Audra was riding along,) that I didnt notice anywhere near as much as I should have. Hoping to test drive a PI build when I visit in mid-December, I'll let you know how that goes. Pay no heed to Shrimpy and the Negatones, non-believers sre constantly on pa-TROLL.
great comment, I look forward to the December feedback, I think it so important. I have confidence in the company and hold great hope and faith that once the autocycle becomes readily available, all questions will be answered. Thank you for sharing.
These conserns don't worry me. Financing worries me. Good questions though. Your questions will only be answered after hundreds are on the road. That may not need to be stated but oh well. I can't even buy one until after 20,000 or on the road. So just be patient I don't know what number you are in line.
@@RandyDuerr I think you made a much better point than what I made financing will be an absolute major hurdle to overcome. Excellent point, thanks for sharing.
I totally understand your concerns,but being a front wheel drive just like a lot of front drive cars it shouldn’t be much different and being as most of your braking is done on the front wheels that shouldn’t be much different and,that being said as it will it suppose to have a wight of 70-30 it should be very little difference
Thanks for your comment.
On the 1th of January they will say production will come next year, just like the year before, all the the way to 2019
I hear you, I hope they start releasing some vehicles. thanks for your comment
You have a shrimp lisp.