Magazine reviews are not of value? If they don't work on the flat range they won't work in a fight dude. Reviewers protect consumers from bad products.
2:29:15 “get a rifle that runs well.” Man I wish there was somewhere I could go to to find out which rifles run well. Guess I just have to buy one from every manufacturer I come across and figure it out.
Wife , 4 kids , animals, 70 hour work week, lift weights, cardio and sleep. Now let me burn through 500$ a week in ammo and maybe I can give up hanging out with my kids to shoot competitions. I’m in the bring cardboard targets to the woods shoot 100-200 rounds ruck for half a day getting there and enjoy the quiet of the woods . Do cardio and grow food competition boy .
A half an hour of dry fire a day and using the 200 rounds a week wisely, you could do really well competing. Shooting is about identifying problems in live fire and solving it through dry fire. In a lot of ways, it's an IQ test. There's no real excuse for being a bad shooter. In the same way, there is no excuse for being out of shape.
@@JB22636 being in shape is super important. I’m not a Gucci gear guy I’m get the cheapest shit possibly that I can trust and run it until it breaks . I have condor rigs from 2014 that are secured with zipties cause the buckles broke I still take to the woods. Indian not the arrow
As an ex-mil guy who shot a lot every week, I met a guy a number years ago that was amazing. He was about my age(almost 40 at the time). He followed everything. Magazines, mil blogs, different boards, and later TH-cam channels. He threw out the bs and got down to studying the tradecraft of shooting. He wasn’t rich. He said he would shoot every week even if it was minimal rounds. He practiced drawing at home a lot. We were both shooting our 1st comp. He had never even had a class. He out shot a lot of people and he was fast. He was just a dude that studied it. And just a dude was a beast and had a better mindset than a lot of shooters there. He is now one of my best friends.
There’s a certain type of person who defends this kind of rhetoric. Low self worth guys who enjoy being dominated and put down by those in positions of “authority.” They actually like being made out to be less than and becoming a disciple to go out and peddle the nonsense to the rest of us. It’s one thing to say some people have more to bring to the table than others, it’s another to say normal people should stay quiet and do what their overlords say. It’s weird, it’s REALLY weird.
Ironically, even though he was drunk he still made perfect sense with his position on the importance of good/proper training. What is it that you didn’t like, the fact that his stance on gear is that you should have real world experience in what you use/recommend?
@@19840b you don't get it. I am an expert in my field. I have almost 30 years experience and alot of titles, classes, and qualifications to go with it. That doesn't mean someone who isn't cannot recommend the tools of my trade. Or, be good or better than I am at it. That seems to be just the military guys saying that. That's mostly ego, and because they are told they are the best constantly. IMO. In the end though, IDC what someone thinks nor should you.
@@19840b A lot of the things said made sense in a vacuum. His position was just a mix of misguided and incoherent/difficult to pin down. Two things. The first is that nobody was saying that training is not important. The second is that Matt came in taking the stance that gear reviewers exist to the detriment of good training. This is important to keep in mind. In regards to his stance on gear. You don't need to be the fastest man on a course to be able to pick apart problems in gear. Just like you don't have to be on a ladderboard of fastest lap times of a track to be able to review a car. The issue here is that in the gun world buying gear is seen as an attempt at "buying skill" so people have a natural disgust reaction to the thought of someone with no skill trying to buy gear. But if you want a vehicle and drive it you actually have to buy a freaking car. If you look for car reviews there's no Alonzo or Verstappen to stop you and tell you to hit the track and practice more. So if you're looking for belt and holster reviews so you can actually get to the range and train, that's consumerist nonsense. In Matt's mind, if you go looking for hardware to train with, you're actually not going to train and you're just doing a tactical fashion show. So he comes at Hop and Brass Facts, and calling them a bunch of caulk-sockers, because they're not GM ranked shooters and are just influencers. But they're not "influencers" in the sense that they're telling people to focus on buying crap and portraying it as a replacement for training. At some point Brass Facts tried to cross the divide and get Matt to elaborate on how gear reviews should be done and who should do them, but it was like nailing jello to the wall as Matt wouldn't commit to anything.
I'm gonna say something a bit controversial! Within the gun community social dynamics, people will look up to 4, 5, and 6, as the ideal. "prepping" and "2A community" narrows the framework of what a citizen is actively indexing with, the perspective often is limited to things like "are you running a PSA, BCM or Knights upper", "What kind of camo do you have" or "skill achievements." I don't want to disqualify this completely, but I want to caution citizens from being sucked into this to this degree. The #1 preps you can have are things like a stable income, a well adjusted social life, a sizable nest egg, and a side hustles. The demand put on a 1, 2 or 3 in the gun community by people in that upper echelon is to such a heighten degree that it imo, actually harms their preps, turns them into anti-social and poorly adjusted schizophrenics who are not actually prepared. If you have a church, gym community, you have employees, and you are dependable and reliable that is a massive boost to your survivability and stability of your way of life. The best preps are made on golf courses, not shooting ranges. What we need, is to be men of power and influence. But how are we going to do that when we commit our entire being to a few acres in the middle of no where, schizophrenic theories and irresponsible spending. I love Grunt Proof but he is imo, the example of what not to do. He has given up the game and copes with his defeat with kit and training hoping that one day some Deus Ex Machina event will happen where he can retake America. His only power and influence is utilities to get men give up the actual fight and wait for the ultimate defeat: Ruby Ridge 2
@Bullseye and what if I hadn't heard that before hop's video? I would have kept automatically writing off all SFP scopes. Now I got a decent SFP and some FFP's and I can figure out what I like better for each role. Please explain what you mean by "you didn't need to hear that" because I've seen several of your comments over the last weeks but haven't seen your reasoning at all.
Well, if the military picked the best equipment, we wouldn't have the m17/m18 pos320. That sig was too cheap to build a new gun for, and repurposed the p250 frame, with a scary striker system.
45:12 So I bought a plate carrier and wore it "for work" (as Matt mentioned was important in the Pedigree stream). Granted, it was security work not military work, but I still wore it every day and trusted my life to it. After wearing it for a while, and seeing some reviews and discussions of the particular plates I bought, I would choose differently in hindsight. I would have LOVED to watch a review or two that came to the same conclusion before I bought the PC and plates, especially by someone like Brass Facts or similar. That's what purpose a plate carrier/armor review serves to a civilian, and why they need to exist and be done well. Whatever we end up using it for, we should be able to make informed decisions about what we buy.
If real world experience is all that matters for gear opinions, Civdiv has been fighting in Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine off and on for years and he says Chinese chest rigs and duct taped on no-name flashlights are good to go.
Is there a magfed 20 or 12 worth a damn. I only have a couple pistols right now because of storage but am moving soon and will have room for a couple long guns. I'm interested in getting into 3 gun as I enjoy the idea of practical shooting but learning to speedload shells seems like a lot for a skill I'm not liable to use outside competition. I really only have a desire to shoot open divisions since I like bolting shit onto shit, it's why my computer has tubes full of water in it. Thanks bro.
@@hazloner117 I have not experienced one that was worth it. Outside of breaching shotguns. I totally get the reason behind open division, I absolutely do. Lol. But with something like the 1301 Comp, having a beveled shell port and raised lifter exposing the tube, makes dual and quad feeding much easier. And I'm a relatively small guy. And you look way cool. But the mossberg 590m is a good pump action mag fed🙂
@@Persuasian338 yeah I guess I'll just bite the bullet and learn to dual. Thought I could get away with not having anything Italian in the safe but evidently not. Thanks for the free advice homie, one more question though has the mossberg ever worn a helmet for work?
@@hazloner117 up until the 2010s the 500 and 590 were used. Along side the 870 and winchester 1200. I've never personally seen one, but I guess the 870 comes in a mag variant as well.
I was participating in local IDPA matches. I was carrying a gun for a living at the time (sorry, no helmet) and hoped it would make me a better shooter. It did make me better, but the "game" side of it did not match up to real world. The game says I have to be in this position, without cover, while I engage three armed assailants with a reload (with retention) thrown in. The real world tells me that there is a great piece of cover over here that I can get behind, and work from. The real world tells me that the most important thing is to get the gun reloaded as fast as possible to get it back in the fight, retaining the magazine is not a priority. Yeah, I got DQ'd because I did not "play the game." Be wary of those training scars. Take what you can use from each of them. They all provide a net benefit to our "Community". This BS is sadly entertaining and completely unnecessary. The trainers/guntoobers/comp people neeed to view themselves as key components of this machine, each providing a purpose.
That’s the same reason I lost any interest in IDPA. There’s a type of rules lawyer powergamer it attracts that ruins it for everyone. The last straw for me was a stage where I engaged three targets at about 10 yards from behind cover. There was a boundary line I crossed into from a previous part of the stage, then I engaged all three targets. Got DQed for the stage because “technically” I could see one target exposed as I moved to cover, so I was “supposed” to engage that just standing in the open, then take literally one step to the right to be behind cover and engage the other two. Of course this wasn’t explained beforehand.
I recall Jonathan Piccone clowned Lucas botkin in being stomped by a woman, on a video in a shooting competition because lucas couldn't drag a dummy a few yards and that woman dragged the dummy longer then lucas😂
@ nah, their whole family deserves to get clowned. Isaac and his other goofy brother Geoff Jr. are just another Timothy McVeigh 2.0 in his ideology. Just more Christian nationalism than Timothy McVeigh ever had.
1:50:10 "But the average person on TH-cam is not going to have 2 hours to sit there and stare at a video right, probably not." This is almost 2hrs into a 3hr live of him talking about how most people come to TH-cam for entertainment and not necessarily real training. People don't have time to watch a free video release of a $400 2hr training class from Ben Stoeger & Joel Park, but here we are approaching the 2hr mark of his 3 hours long live chat. Irony at it's best.
@@carlosdaniels9515 I "watched" this while meal prepping. It was just on the background. A training video would require my full attention. I can't just leave it on like people leave 24h news channels on their TV.
I get the competitive shooter's point of view, but we gotta remember that we're a REALLY SMALL subset of shooters overall. Like super small. I know so many folks that own firearms. Very few of them shoot with any regularity (even twice per year just to make sure they can hit a target). Even fewer of those folks shoot any type of competition. We need the gear reviews. We need to know how to shoot better and faster. We need a lot of things. Everyone can't be everything to everyone. If you see a hole in the "market", be the change instead of bitching about it.
I get it, these comp guys are super focused on their niche. But, they've crawled so far up their own asses that they can't even imagine any other facet of gun culture. It's frustrating watching this dude and the one from the other night struggle with their thoughts.
What aspect of gun culture allows you to go 100% on the hard skills? None of them except competition shooting. The other aspects are just people waiting to do political violence on people they deem as not really American.
@@felixdewinter3484 What part of competition shooting teaches you how to react to an ambush? Or to perform cover fire? Or moving as a group? Or treating gunshot wounds? Comp shooting just looks like gamer/fudds scoring points for trophies.
@@scherry9198 what ambushes are you getting into in America that you need to train for them? Furthermore, who is ambushing you in this little fantasy of yours? Is it the people you deem as not real Americans or something?
@@scherry9198 furthermore, what group are you in exactly that needs to train on this? Are you in the US Army or just some armed gang of thugs you call your friends acting like you are in a militia but are just a criminal gang committing acts of terror on civilians?
As an eurotrash getting into Rifle IPSC, 95% of rifles being used are US made...I think that is says something regarding the quality of parts...just saying...
@FocusTripp please read. Going to be little long sorry. Why on earth do these guys think that gear reviews do not matter? Are these guys so out of touch of reality of the everyday man’s living expense? Like these guys probably clear 6 figures by a lot, meanwhile I am a man with a family with a wife who does not work and make 98,000 a year I am scraping by, can not just go out and purchase something and find out it doesn’t work very good for me, I do not have that luxury, so in they’re opinion I should just either not shoot? Or by something that may get me killed because I bought something that doesn’t work good but I blew all my money on it and didn’t have extra money to buy something else. I find it very insulting that these guys do not give a shit about their fellow American who also supports the 2a, all because they are not a competition shooter or a military vet. I should just go out and keep buying things that don’t work and keep spending money that I work hard for as a garbage man? With they’er logic they should not drive and only I should since I have a cdl because I am a professional and they are not? Do they not watch reviews on which tv is the best tv or which surround sound system is the best? Do they just blow thousands of dollars on things till they find the one they like? Or is that only allowed in that context and not the gun community? It’s becoming less of a community and more like right vs left in politics. Where if you don’t agree with my opinion you are worthless and wrong. These guys are giving off blue hair girl vibes.
@@FocusTripp they didnt say it was a bad thing. they say it is secondary to training and u shouldnt get caught up just watching gear reviews and get out and train because all of the gear in the world wont matter if u cant use it. they dont say not to get gear but get gear and dont sweat whether its the best get good stuff and train with it. yes do research so u dont get junk, but once u got it go train and dont keep sitting around watching more gear reviews and debating on which gear is better because that doesnt matter in a shtf situation!
There seems to be a crossover between Pranka fans/comp shooters, and shortsighted, elitist dudes who have awful attitudes and suck at communicating ideas. Who would’ve guessed that following a drunk dude with a toxic attitude is gonna rub off on your own, or that said guy would attract dudes with similar toxic attitudes.
The people arguing against “larping” can make any excuse they want, they can spin it however they want, they word it however they want, but the premise of their view is, “You guys are wannabe military, you shouldn’t do that, just get an AR for home defense and shut up.” The resurgence of the militia makes them angry. They offer no encouragement or approval. They’ll come back and say, “That’s not what I’m saying! You’re putting words in my mouth!” All while explicitly stating they wish guntube didn’t exist and no one should run around the woods in camo. Are some people silly about it? Sure, but the guys who are serious also point that out. Guys like the one in the video wish it was 2008 again.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD The issue is that it's pointless to have thousands of dollars in gear and guns. When the majority do not have the skill level on par with a c or b class shooter. It's about assigning value to priorities appropriately. I don't think the majority of shooters know how bad they are. And to be frank, I think they are scared to find out.
This recent trend of gun guys who take themselves too seriously and have an elitist complex speaking in absolutes only to become a walking talking contradiction is absurd.
Thanos? Is that you deciding what everyone needs? Lol. I wonder how he would feel if an elected official decided he didn’t “need” the gear he competes in.
Well seeing that both of the last two presidents, and the one that is becoming it again, banned attachments from the AR15. I wonder if he voted for President Bumpstock.
The dude says verbatim that “that’s a really dirty way to fight guerrilla right now” but also says he has no combat experience so is he just openly talking out of his ass while claiming others do the same or what?
Prior Marine Corps. I have used my gear in much harsher conditions and much more often than i ever did in the military. You could say that for about 95% of people in today's military. Imagine thinking that your credibility to test gear should be based off "wearing a helmet since i was 17!" Absolute clown. People I've met that have never served are far better shooters than me and have put their equipment through an absolute ringer. This same mindset comes from dudes who treated their boots/juniors like shit because they "haven't been there and done that" or are a lower rank.
I feel like Pranka has really impacted the civilian content space the past two weeks. Lots of hurt feelings. Dude has some insane experience. Worth listening to him, even if he has no respect for TH-camrs, IMO.
He might be a good shooter and knowledgeable. But every video ive seen of him, he has such a hard ass douche bag attitude. I think hes drunk in most of the videos ive seen. He contradicts himself constantly and is massively out of touch when it comes to the internet. And hes just an asshole. I would rather not see content from king douche tough fudd.
Hes always got a super tough guy attitude, is really dismissive of others, is drunk a lot, and is generally unpleasant. He contradicts himself a lot, and i dont respect him even if hes a good and knowledgeable shooter. Hes a fudd first and foremost. Hes out of touch with the internet, and id seek training elsewhere like ben stoeger. Hes actually funny, in touch with the internet, pleasant to be around, and doesnt project a better than you attitude.
@@jimziogas8978 i said i dont care if hes knowledge or good at shooting. Hes an unpleasant person and contradicts himself a lot. The world is not lacking for former cool guys trying to sell their coolness, and you are not limited to Captain tough drunk.
Gunfighting is an American martial art. I’ve been carrying a gun professionally for over 34 years and know the difference between a gunfight and a shooting. He’s a target shooter and targets don’t shoot back and has no real concept of reality and It shows in his comments like drones are dirty warfare, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying hard enough.
If the ranges are known, it isn’t in 360 degrees, aren’t properly using cover, isn’t totally blind, and retaining your reload, you are just gaming. Comp can help with drawing and 1st round hits, some movement, and running on rocks. And you are right. In a fight, anything less than the full might of the mil isn’t enough. And using anything that can keep you safe while taking out the enemy is the reason we have a the MOAB. Dang sure I would use a drone. I get a feeling a lot of these guys talk up their mil experiences.
Examining the "need" argument: you don't "need" to be spending your time dryfiring and burning through cases of FMJ improving your hit factor with a handgun in competition gear. That is a sport and a hobby.
Feel like so much of this argument comes down to narcissism - I chose to compete, therefore what I chose to do must be superior to what you chose to do. Dude, how about you go game with guns on a flat range and I'll go larp in my fantasy. No need to shit on others for doing what they believe will better prepare themselves.
Nailed it. People like this are everywhere. They were never punched in the face and it shows. "I am special because I said so, so if I do it it's better, and if I admit I'm not special I may kill myself" sorta deal. But many are so entrenched in their complex that the very idea they may not be special never even occurs.
BCM AR-15, Baretta 1301 tac, or A300up, and Glock 19, or 17. There's your basics. From there, an accurate bolt gun, or AR-10 DPMS pattern, in.308, or 6.5 creedmoor to keep ammo reasonable. If $ isn't a concern, 6.5 PRC, but 6.5 creedmoor, and. 308 are about the same $, and 6.5 creedmoor can take any game inside 300 yards.
No point in preparing for fantasies that will never happen, competitions are actually real, too bad Ukraine didn't get the message. It's also good that we know the future and know nothing bad or unexpected will ever happen. You don't need gear, you just need to train without any, somehow; ignore all the expensive gamer gear I'm using for competitions though.
I ran level 4 plates when i worked as a security contractor, longer then 11 hours a day in the desert in and out of convoys. I just know these gate keepers are annoying af, whos trashing people who dont shoot competition or who never done cool sh** in a Mil, Leo or security capacity.
That's not the point. He's asking what those GunTubers can do right now? Can they shoot better than M class? Can they even run Matt's CQB Assessment? None of those guntubers could answer. They have nothing under their belts. Just opinions.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jwI can come up with a blind, zero know distance course and very few, if any, would clear it. A comp class doesn’t dictate how someone will do in a fight. First rd hit, yep. Draw stroke, definitely helpful. Use of cover? Nope. Odd shooting positions? Maybe some. Or could it be better to do it blind, unknown distance, unknown rounds, could start off sitting, maybe holding a kid? I’ve seen this scenario. A group of guys get together once a month and 1 guy designs a group of scenarios for them to have to figure out. The randomness can be wild. Using junk cars, even a tractor 😂. But you get 1 chance at it and you can’t see it till you shoot.
Rewatching the stream because I was half asleep for the first viewing. It’s so exhausting to hear people polarize topics like this, gear is important just like training is important. The gear is worthless without proper training, and the training is useless without the proper gear.
I have stopped watching alot of GTube all together. I just don't care what some else tells me I should be doing. IDC what there opinions are about me. IDK why anyone does. Be free my brothers. Jus tshow me how good the product is, and make me laugh every now and then... That's it. Leave your ego at home. And, If you wanna buy tons of kit, do it, if you want to train, do it. If you don't wanna do it don't. It's especially sad comming from ex and current military guys telling me i'm stupid for doing any of it. I guess I know they really don't give AF about freedom. They care about themselves. So dumb man. I'm a commercial carpenter constuction worker. I have titles like journeyman foreman, and other useless crap. That doesn't mean anyone that doesn't isn't aloud to use a impact drill, or layout a floor because it isn't there profession. Wouldn't that make me a D-Bag to say you have no business touching the tools of my trade? Don't you dare try to operate any heavy machinery either. You are larping if you do. Get outta here with these ego inflated maniacs who have never thought about anyone but themselves.
Cus D'amato, arguably the greatest boxing coach of all time, only ever had a brief amateur career, yet he understood the science behind it better than most. Competition is fantastic don't get me wrong, but it simply isn't the be all end all. Obviously its beneficial to train and compete as much your resources and lives allow, but hell man, some of these guys get so damn hyperbolic.
Dude has a weird argument sounds very familiar to a certain “what is your ar-15 going to do against an F-16” Id like to remind anyone who makes this argument war is much more than flat range shooting, we didn’t have to retreat from Afghanistan because the Taliban were all GM USPCA guys. Learning to shoot better is never bad, rucking on the weekend and learning how to use your gear is equally valid. Ukraine was fantasy until it wasn’t, and frankly I enjoy larping with the boys.
When I got into the gun industry, I didn’t realize it was gonna be that much worse than motocross/freestyle motocross. Everyone is wrong and you (subjective) are the right one, and if someone’s opinion doesn’t line up call them gay, and fat without answering why. At least we have an understanding that you can fucking die doing what we do, so there’s understanding with that. Brass, Focus, and Hop, IMO, are the most honest basis for reviews in the entire TH-cam space, and are needed to hold others accountable, for the betterment of the consumers on the market. And just because I want to watch a fucking video on a LPVO deciding if the reticle design is useful doesn’t mean I’m a fucking larper, it means I don’t want to WASTE 2 paychecks worth of construction work on something I hate. Oh, and I shoot comps every week, but just for practice. Cause comp belts are gay.
@@FocusTripp FWIW, I get the sense that Autonomous (and Matt) reckon the competition scene is a better "well regulated militia" to rally around than the other silos that exist in the 2 A community. IMO it's a decent perspective, that not only builds individual skill levels but also potentially builds bridges.
@SunsetOz-nk1br I think there is a real community there, but there is also real community outside of that as well. I would recommend everyone get plugged in with a local group whether it's comp shooters, prep guys, or whatever you can find that's like minded and competent
@@FocusTripp You did/do good vids on budget options to get started, that compliment your retail business. I think Autonomous makes valid points (about the fetishization of gear in general), but he (and others) selectively overlook contributions of some in the gear community to buttress those points.
People should do what gets them excited about the second amendment. When people invest they become more protective over what they invest in. If people invest in second amendment tools, they will become more protective of the second amendment. If everybody took this advice, politicians would’ve rolled over our 2A rights a long time ago.
Comp shooters may be good at certain aspects, but they also get to walk through the stages and do their pre-stage theatrics, to get the best time and hits. However, the see-through walls don't prepare them for an actual real-world self-defense, or SHTF situation, IMO. That's the part about comp shooter's that I can't stand, especially when they think it does for them and try to talk shit about people that don't.
Matches aren't scenarios they are drills. So I see where you are coming from, but your thinking is fundamentally flawed. Practical shooting is about being as skilled as you can be under the clock, that's it. Once you are at an acceptable skill level you can worry about other things like working corners and blind targets. The amount of dudes who I have seen who can do all the tactical stuff but couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat is staggering.
Shooting competitions can help you become a better shooter but it doesn’t all directly translate. No one should set up their defensive rifle/pistol or their “go to war” rifle up like they would a competition rifle. Competition setups are meant for speed and sacrifice a lot to gain it. Putting a comp on your handgun is common in competitive shooting but comps inherently make handguns more unreliable. Muzzle breaks are common on competition rifles but they increase muzzle flash which will give your position away in combat. It will also wash out your natural night vision in low light.
Who needs to pay 500 dollars for a trainer to say use cover. Nearly 100% of gun fights happen within 7 yds. Speed and accuracy are paramount. Taking a 3 man CQB course is pointless for example
All of these comments on what does and doesn’t have value would be true if they ended with “for me”…. Just because NVG content doesn’t have value to you, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have value to the guy getting rid of hogs on his property …..
Seems like a lot of gun guys get tunnel vision based on their very specific skill set, whether it's comp shooting, combat experience in a particular time and place, or prepping for some sort of war scenario in CONUS. Far too many guys making lots of assumptions about other guys doing something different from them. Autonomous Defense gives off "I'm pro 2A, but..." vibes, and clearly thinks very highly of his own opinions. If people want to buy tactical gear for whatever reason, why does he care? It's not like they're spending his money. He spent nearly 40 minutes to say "a lot of guys really need to train more."
I almost never hang out with other competition shooters. Most of them are rich boys very arrogant very rude. It’s also an entirely different discipline so to pretend like being a really great competition shooter prepares you for the real world is honestly very untrue in my opinion.
Experience is the only thing you need in order to teach others. You need experience with the gear being reviewed. But it doesn’t matter if your experience comes from being in the military. In fact, being in the military alone isn’t enough for me to trust an opinion of certain items. Because not every rifle is used by the military. Not every helmet is used by the military and not every optic is used by the military. Being in the military isn’t enough for people to trust your opinion on say, a holosun optic. The military doesn’t issue out holosun optics.
35:00 What the hell is he on about there? What makes a good competition gun does not make a good duty gun. A competition gas system in an AR is going to shit the bed if it's not pampered. Lightweight BCGs have issues feeding if not perfectly paired with the right gas tube, gas port, buffer, etc. Sure, competition gave us free float rails, midlength gas, and LPVOs (which I'm still not bought in to since prisms and dots are lighter and more rugged), but a competition rifle won't make it through a duty centered class, let alone actual duty. Like Ben said, you bring a duty gun to teach a duty class. A duty rifle may have a competition influenced rail, but it's not a competition rail. That's all ignoring that being GM doesn't make or break real world conflict. The GWOT would have gone the exact same way with it without the ACOG and ARM courses, we would have just spent a bit more ammo and had less headshots. The only time training and gear matter in conflict is when they're so bad that you can not apply good tactics. A bunch of slick sleeves who listen to their NCO and have gear that doesn't need to be pampered are going to wreck shop against a larger force of special operators/competition shooters with fragile gear and shitty coms. Would they wreck shop faster with better gear and training? Yes. But tactics beats out everything. That's the big problem with the community. Most gear reviewers are consoomers who push fictional tactics to look cool, competition guys disregard tactics and quality gear, and the small niche that recognizes the importance of tactics/gear/training gets drowned out by midwits who watch too much Shawn Ryan.
Competition shooters are more diverse than you would think on that. I've hosted NV matches and host practical outlaw matches. Don't be so quick to say what Competition is and isn't.
47:45 this dude and Matt constantly contradict themselves it’s really hard to listen to. Demonstrates lack of an actual point or thing to say. Just talking to talk. IMO.
43:55 "another presidential coup". This seems to plant him on the anti-2A side. Are you really uninformed enough to believe there was a 1st presidential coup?
Competition shooters set the standard for manufacturers to produce guns. No cop bolted a dot on their service pistol. Who are the top trainers for civilian, military, and cops? Mostly Competition shooters. Bc they have figured things out more than others bc of the round count. Would you ask a a golfer how to serve in tennis? They both swing. They both hit a ball. Just go train.
many gun guys make videos and give opinions for either A) money / ad revenue , B) fashion statement (oh i just scrathed my gun teee hee oh no) this guns painted so pretty!
I’m pretty Stoeger never won nationals with a stock Glock… he shot berettas then tanfo’s. I’ll stipulate that, but I’m pretty sure that is correct. Also I think dude misspoke… I don’t think he meant glocks weren’t ever used to win… if he meant that. He’s incorrect. But… he is correct on the current stage most folks do not think a Glock is competitive in a world of shadow 2’s, and Brantley did kick ass with a Glock, just cause. He is correct on that.
I dont think this guy doesn't need a hug from hop, he needs to be taught a lesson in a mma gym, to learn to be humble. I'm just sick of people who put down people cause the regular people don't do cool guy things.
Seems like the solution is somewhere in the middle. Both sides had some valid points and both sides said some wild stuff. Just go out and train, compete, make youtube videos, larp, whatever. Who cares what other people think.
This goes back to the Xgay debacle. Unless you consume the content that hop and brassfacts create please shut up because they are the rule not exception lol Lucas is literally a guntuber who creates for merely consumerism marketing that doesn’t really put out anything that’s informative or data driven.
Just something he kept bringing up, and I’ll paraphrase it here, “training for competitions is better than Mil/LE training in a lot of ways”, as a blanket statement, no. If you train for a competition, then you’re going to be good at competing, not necessarily at self defense. A competition is a one-way range, real life is a two-way range. It’s like training Aikido or Tae Kwon Do and going into a street fight, if your opponent is unskilled, those martial arts will certainly give you an edge, but if your opponent knows anything like BJJ, Muay Thai, or boxing, you’re getting your ass kicked. Now that’s not to say training for competition is a bad thing as focus mentioned. There are certainly highly applicable shooting drills competition shooters use, but your foundation for self defense should be built around defensive drills and training, not competition style drills.
A Tae Kwon Do youtuber (used to go by kwonkicker) went to thailand to fight and won via spinning back kick to the Thai's liver. The problem isn't Tae Kwon Do, it's not sparring. If you're sparring, that's a two-way fight. In Aikido there's very little sparring and the little sparring they do is done by yielding to the moves (they claim that trying to resist to a throw will break the arms and such). Aikido is a one-way fight in the dojo.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD that’s anecdotal, by and large, MMA fighters don’t use Tae Kwon Do as a central/basal discipline. As I said earlier, if your opponent is unskilled or very bad at their discipline, then a Tae Kwon Do fighter will walk all over them, but if they go up against someone who knows the ground game, the Tae Kwon Do fighter is getting folded. It’s similar with competition vs defensive training, competition doesn’t teach guys to find adequate cover, deescalate, and in most cases, fight through limb loss. Just to reiterate, a strictly competition based shooter (like the Tae Kwon Do practicer) is certainly far more capable than the average low-skilled opponent especially in terms of accuracy, but they would likely get styled on in a gunfight due to not having the self-preservation and tactical fundamentals. This all not to say that training for competition is bad or doesn’t teach you useful skills, it just shouldn’t be a crutch to rely on, train how you fight instead.
@@elterga6224 The reason there's hardly any MMA fighters from a TKD background is that people either give up after getting the black belt or go into Olympic style competition. We've also reached the optimization stage of MMA as kids/teens are now taking MMA classes rather than get into fighting through a singular art like in the 1990s. The problem with TKD is that much like Karate it became a place to drop off kids for 1h-1h30, because if you look up traditional TKD it included elbows and knees. A similar thing happened to Judo due to Olympic influence. The world judo organization has stated they will reintroduce leg grabs for takedowns which the Olympic games removed to make Judo more distinct from wrestling. So Judo is trying to reverse the degradation of the martial art created by Olympic interference. If you train TKD to fight rather than win point matches your skill and strength advantage over the opponent becomes the determining factor, not the martial art. TL;DR shooting competition = hitting the heavy bag = Aikido TKD = playing airsoft/paintball
The only optics im using is my current prescription glasses and running irons, they dont require batteries. Redot optics seem like some magical space sh** to me especially since redots don't interact my eyesight since im in my 40's now.
Dude is a toxic DB with the "if you didn't serve in the military you don't matter" mentality. The only people who agree with him are either the same or are just bootlickers.
@FocusTripp didn't mean it to sound so harsh sorey abiut that, but I have been binging your stuff while driving for about a week now. You always sound super bassie making it hard to understand what your saying, that's after turning the bass all the way down in my car. Your guests sound fine and are easy to understand. So I don't know exactly what the issue is, but I assume it's compression, i would definitely enjoy it much more if you were easier to understand on my driving trips.
Missed a quarter of it because fixated on the ridiculous "TCR" thing at the bottom, what's that and the bad original video quality all about? There's so many things wrong that were not commented on. It's like he has no idea what brasshop is and thinks they just shill for products for money? Or maybe he just think they don't have the necessary... uh... pedigree? Also, here's a crazy thought. Maybe someone just likes going to the mountains and having fun while training and larping, maybe with nods?? Why would it need to be some "fantasy"? I guess that's also just not enough................... pedigree........ to allow them to say anything about what they learned there?
Nah dog, you are missing the point. I'm not going to break down why I agree with Matt, but I'm throwing my downvote on your video. Not doing civilian guntubers any favors by dying on this hill. This is why they have a lot views, and money, but little respect from the people who have been there, done that, and put their money where their mouth is. You guys really missed the point.
🤣damn vets and comp guys speed running being gay asf for no reason. Like chill bro who cares you have a 15 hit factor if you can’t recommend a ruck to sustain myself 🤣🤣
the "industry" needs to be us learning how to make our own weapons and ammo incase of a war where we are called on to defend our nation in a time were maybe our nation wont have a real military any longer. our founding ancestors were mostly White guys that did everything under the cover of darkness and had a vast knowledge base.
@@ghijkl the industry shouldn't be a corporate welfare concern it should be as it was when America was founded. if you cannot understand that then you are lost.
re: the "he just drops the mag" thing because that's as far as I am in the video. to me this shows that you do not understand training. if you have never dropped a magazine in training doing reloads, you are not training hard enough. my guess is that this guy's fundamentals are a lot more squared away than yours, which is maybe why he doesn't care about showing a flubbed reload. people who train for real know that that's a thing. ask ben stoeger about this and just about training in general. L take.
@@FocusTripp personally i don't think it's a credible thing to call out. in training you should be pushing to the point where you make mistakes. that's part of the process. i know hop said this but you seemed to agree, what is the issue with his support hand grip exactly?
Beretta M9, great military gun. Needs substantial modification for competition uses. P320, great competition gun, sub par military use. 1911, great competition, great military use. Chest rigs are great for standing up, if you go dick down in the mud, that chest rig just packed your mags in mud. Same comp dudes say an AR forward assist is useless haven't shot in the snow and had their bolt freeze up on a slick side AR. Reviewers are great because they offer perspective for people looking to solve real world problems. A useless dump pouch is a good place to store a mag that can't collect dust and mud.
"that chest rig just packed your mags in mud" -- This why flapped mag pouches are superior to all those open-top high speed rigs everyone seems to love. I think belt kit is superior to a chest rig anyway. Chest rigs only really caught on due to mechanized operations, because wearing belt kit in a vehicle for longer than a few minutes sucks.
Chest rigs are fine when you’re actually going prone. If you’re down in the mud, it’ll get in anywhere you’re carrying mags. Flap pouches really make the difference.
Pranka will forever be remembered as a stupid drunk with zero knowledge of fighting without government backup. If that counts as living rent free, then sure lol.
Lucas is brought up, directly in a section about him starting a training channel with Brantley. The whole discussion started with Pranka and ADs response to Hop and Brass and reviewers in general.
stream starts at 07:00
@@FocusTripp th-cam.com/users/shorts2jrMNqbnYEI?si=uXk8tVKK8p27ORY5
Fudd Hunters: “You don’t need all that tactical gear Sonny.”
Fudd Comp Shooters: “You don’t need all that tactical gear loser.”
Magazine reviews are not of value? If they don't work on the flat range they won't work in a fight dude. Reviewers protect consumers from bad products.
oh yeah i always wanted to be a consooomer
@@haveacigar5291 youre a consumer regardless because ill bet youve spent thousands of dollars on gun and preparedness bs.
@@haveacigar5291 if you buy things that's exactly what you are.
"Here at USPSA we're better than you, and we know it!"
And collectively, they’re not wrong.
@@jlew6890 can they skin and clean a squirrel though? Haha
@@Jeremy-pi5mz I’d hope so! That’s rather basic in my opinion.
@ squirrel and rabbit are pretty easy and based
Cool, they can shoot a small course where they know all where all the targets are. Uspsa teaches bad habits when it comes to tactics
2:29:15 “get a rifle that runs well.”
Man I wish there was somewhere I could go to to find out which rifles run well. Guess I just have to buy one from every manufacturer I come across and figure it out.
Wife , 4 kids , animals, 70 hour work week, lift weights, cardio and sleep. Now let me burn through 500$ a week in ammo and maybe I can give up hanging out with my kids to shoot competitions. I’m in the bring cardboard targets to the woods shoot 100-200 rounds ruck for half a day getting there and enjoy the quiet of the woods . Do cardio and grow food competition boy .
Sounds like a lot of words for you suck. Sacrifice for anything is well… a sacrifice.
There is only so much time in a week or month.
A half an hour of dry fire a day and using the 200 rounds a week wisely, you could do really well competing. Shooting is about identifying problems in live fire and solving it through dry fire. In a lot of ways, it's an IQ test.
There's no real excuse for being a bad shooter. In the same way, there is no excuse for being out of shape.
@@JB22636 I broke a clear (10) 5.56 Ak mag doing dry fire reloads haha
@@JB22636 being in shape is super important. I’m not a Gucci gear guy I’m get the cheapest shit possibly that I can trust and run it until it breaks . I have condor rigs from 2014 that are secured with zipties cause the buckles broke I still take to the woods. Indian not the arrow
As an ex-mil guy who shot a lot every week, I met a guy a number years ago that was amazing. He was about my age(almost 40 at the time). He followed everything. Magazines, mil blogs, different boards, and later TH-cam channels. He threw out the bs and got down to studying the tradecraft of shooting. He wasn’t rich. He said he would shoot every week even if it was minimal rounds. He practiced drawing at home a lot. We were both shooting our 1st comp. He had never even had a class. He out shot a lot of people and he was fast. He was just a dude that studied it. And just a dude was a beast and had a better mindset than a lot of shooters there. He is now one of my best friends.
There’s a certain type of person who defends this kind of rhetoric. Low self worth guys who enjoy being dominated and put down by those in positions of “authority.” They actually like being made out to be less than and becoming a disciple to go out and peddle the nonsense to the rest of us. It’s one thing to say some people have more to bring to the table than others, it’s another to say normal people should stay quiet and do what their overlords say. It’s weird, it’s REALLY weird.
yes
Ironically, even though he was drunk he still made perfect sense with his position on the importance of good/proper training. What is it that you didn’t like, the fact that his stance on gear is that you should have real world experience in what you use/recommend?
@@19840b you don't get it. I am an expert in my field. I have almost 30 years experience and alot of titles, classes, and qualifications to go with it. That doesn't mean someone who isn't cannot recommend the tools of my trade. Or, be good or better than I am at it. That seems to be just the military guys saying that. That's mostly ego, and because they are told they are the best constantly. IMO. In the end though, IDC what someone thinks nor should you.
"What someone thinks of YOU", I mean.
@@19840b A lot of the things said made sense in a vacuum. His position was just a mix of misguided and incoherent/difficult to pin down.
Two things. The first is that nobody was saying that training is not important. The second is that Matt came in taking the stance that gear reviewers exist to the detriment of good training. This is important to keep in mind.
In regards to his stance on gear. You don't need to be the fastest man on a course to be able to pick apart problems in gear. Just like you don't have to be on a ladderboard of fastest lap times of a track to be able to review a car. The issue here is that in the gun world buying gear is seen as an attempt at "buying skill" so people have a natural disgust reaction to the thought of someone with no skill trying to buy gear. But if you want a vehicle and drive it you actually have to buy a freaking car. If you look for car reviews there's no Alonzo or Verstappen to stop you and tell you to hit the track and practice more. So if you're looking for belt and holster reviews so you can actually get to the range and train, that's consumerist nonsense. In Matt's mind, if you go looking for hardware to train with, you're actually not going to train and you're just doing a tactical fashion show.
So he comes at Hop and Brass Facts, and calling them a bunch of caulk-sockers, because they're not GM ranked shooters and are just influencers. But they're not "influencers" in the sense that they're telling people to focus on buying crap and portraying it as a replacement for training. At some point Brass Facts tried to cross the divide and get Matt to elaborate on how gear reviews should be done and who should do them, but it was like nailing jello to the wall as Matt wouldn't commit to anything.
I'm gonna say something a bit controversial! Within the gun community social dynamics, people will look up to 4, 5, and 6, as the ideal. "prepping" and "2A community" narrows the framework of what a citizen is actively indexing with, the perspective often is limited to things like "are you running a PSA, BCM or Knights upper", "What kind of camo do you have" or "skill achievements." I don't want to disqualify this completely, but I want to caution citizens from being sucked into this to this degree. The #1 preps you can have are things like a stable income, a well adjusted social life, a sizable nest egg, and a side hustles. The demand put on a 1, 2 or 3 in the gun community by people in that upper echelon is to such a heighten degree that it imo, actually harms their preps, turns them into anti-social and poorly adjusted schizophrenics who are not actually prepared.
If you have a church, gym community, you have employees, and you are dependable and reliable that is a massive boost to your survivability and stability of your way of life. The best preps are made on golf courses, not shooting ranges.
What we need, is to be men of power and influence. But how are we going to do that when we commit our entire being to a few acres in the middle of no where, schizophrenic theories and irresponsible spending. I love Grunt Proof but he is imo, the example of what not to do. He has given up the game and copes with his defeat with kit and training hoping that one day some Deus Ex Machina event will happen where he can retake America. His only power and influence is utilities to get men give up the actual fight and wait for the ultimate defeat: Ruby Ridge 2
Well fuck grunt proof, that dude is absolutely the embodiment of a Timothy McVeigh 2.0 waiting to happen.
Military contracts mean inflated MSRP. Civilian cost just jumps 40% because government pricing is required to be 60% of the civilian price.
Yup. That's why an Aimpoint T2 still costs $800 despite being a decade old optic. Same with stuff like ACOGs.
In regards to second focal plane LPVOs, Hop has a video defending SFP optics which goes against the "influencer consumerism" of prioritizing FFP.
What's that video called? I'm a SFP enjoyer, myself.
I didn't need Hop to tell me that. Neither do you.
@Bullseye and what if I hadn't heard that before hop's video? I would have kept automatically writing off all SFP scopes. Now I got a decent SFP and some FFP's and I can figure out what I like better for each role. Please explain what you mean by "you didn't need to hear that" because I've seen several of your comments over the last weeks but haven't seen your reasoning at all.
Well, if the military picked the best equipment, we wouldn't have the m17/m18 pos320. That sig was too cheap to build a new gun for, and repurposed the p250 frame, with a scary striker system.
We also wouldn’t have had the M14, the new Sig rifle, and half the current motor pool.
45:12 So I bought a plate carrier and wore it "for work" (as Matt mentioned was important in the Pedigree stream). Granted, it was security work not military work, but I still wore it every day and trusted my life to it. After wearing it for a while, and seeing some reviews and discussions of the particular plates I bought, I would choose differently in hindsight. I would have LOVED to watch a review or two that came to the same conclusion before I bought the PC and plates, especially by someone like Brass Facts or similar. That's what purpose a plate carrier/armor review serves to a civilian, and why they need to exist and be done well. Whatever we end up using it for, we should be able to make informed decisions about what we buy.
Why does he even have "Defense" in his name, that is fantasy.
Tell me you have NO life experience outside of your bubble without telling me you have NO life experience outside of your bubble.
If real world experience is all that matters for gear opinions, Civdiv has been fighting in Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine off and on for years and he says Chinese chest rigs and duct taped on no-name flashlights are good to go.
Shotgun shooter and instructor here. Gatekeeping knowledge, and only listening to that "pedigree" of person is dumb. Ask me anything. Lol
Is there a magfed 20 or 12 worth a damn. I only have a couple pistols right now because of storage but am moving soon and will have room for a couple long guns. I'm interested in getting into 3 gun as I enjoy the idea of practical shooting but learning to speedload shells seems like a lot for a skill I'm not liable to use outside competition. I really only have a desire to shoot open divisions since I like bolting shit onto shit, it's why my computer has tubes full of water in it. Thanks bro.
@@hazloner117 I have not experienced one that was worth it. Outside of breaching shotguns. I totally get the reason behind open division, I absolutely do. Lol. But with something like the 1301 Comp, having a beveled shell port and raised lifter exposing the tube, makes dual and quad feeding much easier. And I'm a relatively small guy. And you look way cool.
But the mossberg 590m is a good pump action mag fed🙂
@@Persuasian338 yeah I guess I'll just bite the bullet and learn to dual. Thought I could get away with not having anything Italian in the safe but evidently not. Thanks for the free advice homie, one more question though has the mossberg ever worn a helmet for work?
@@hazloner117 up until the 2010s the 500 and 590 were used. Along side the 870 and winchester 1200. I've never personally seen one, but I guess the 870 comes in a mag variant as well.
"foreign rifles are better" i seem to remember ar15s are best and all of the best ar15s are made in the us.
I was participating in local IDPA matches. I was carrying a gun for a living at the time (sorry, no helmet) and hoped it would make me a better shooter. It did make me better, but the "game" side of it did not match up to real world. The game says I have to be in this position, without cover, while I engage three armed assailants with a reload (with retention) thrown in. The real world tells me that there is a great piece of cover over here that I can get behind, and work from. The real world tells me that the most important thing is to get the gun reloaded as fast as possible to get it back in the fight, retaining the magazine is not a priority. Yeah, I got DQ'd because I did not "play the game." Be wary of those training scars.
Take what you can use from each of them. They all provide a net benefit to our "Community". This BS is sadly entertaining and completely unnecessary. The trainers/guntoobers/comp people neeed to view themselves as key components of this machine, each providing a purpose.
That’s the same reason I lost any interest in IDPA. There’s a type of rules lawyer powergamer it attracts that ruins it for everyone.
The last straw for me was a stage where I engaged three targets at about 10 yards from behind cover. There was a boundary line I crossed into from a previous part of the stage, then I engaged all three targets.
Got DQed for the stage because “technically” I could see one target exposed as I moved to cover, so I was “supposed” to engage that just standing in the open, then take literally one step to the right to be behind cover and engage the other two. Of course this wasn’t explained beforehand.
I recall Jonathan Piccone clowned Lucas botkin in being stomped by a woman, on a video in a shooting competition because lucas couldn't drag a dummy a few yards and that woman dragged the dummy longer then lucas😂
Please say there’s a video of this 😂
@Saboteur_91 yes before TH-cam destroyed JPs channel
I mean, the dude deserved to get clowned for not being able to perform when it was time to.
@@felixdewinter3484 I agree another reason why I don't care for Lucas, and I have more respect for Issac.
@ nah, their whole family deserves to get clowned. Isaac and his other goofy brother Geoff Jr. are just another Timothy McVeigh 2.0 in his ideology. Just more Christian nationalism than Timothy McVeigh ever had.
Is this just a circle jerk for guys who served 4 years and then devoted their life to IPSIC?
1:48:30 this dude just wants a pat on the back for all his hard work.
1:50:10 "But the average person on TH-cam is not going to have 2 hours to sit there and stare at a video right, probably not." This is almost 2hrs into a 3hr live of him talking about how most people come to TH-cam for entertainment and not necessarily real training. People don't have time to watch a free video release of a $400 2hr training class from Ben Stoeger & Joel Park, but here we are approaching the 2hr mark of his 3 hours long live chat. Irony at it's best.
@@carlosdaniels9515This is a pod. Most people are going to listen to this in the background while they are going other things.
@@carlosdaniels9515 I "watched" this while meal prepping. It was just on the background.
A training video would require my full attention. I can't just leave it on like people leave 24h news channels on their TV.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADbut you could watch it in parts.
I think this video is giving me secondhand brain damage
I get the competitive shooter's point of view, but we gotta remember that we're a REALLY SMALL subset of shooters overall. Like super small. I know so many folks that own firearms. Very few of them shoot with any regularity (even twice per year just to make sure they can hit a target). Even fewer of those folks shoot any type of competition.
We need the gear reviews. We need to know how to shoot better and faster. We need a lot of things. Everyone can't be everything to everyone. If you see a hole in the "market", be the change instead of bitching about it.
I get it, these comp guys are super focused on their niche. But, they've crawled so far up their own asses that they can't even imagine any other facet of gun culture. It's frustrating watching this dude and the one from the other night struggle with their thoughts.
Literal fart sniffers 😂
What aspect of gun culture allows you to go 100% on the hard skills? None of them except competition shooting. The other aspects are just people waiting to do political violence on people they deem as not really American.
@@felixdewinter3484 What part of competition shooting teaches you how to react to an ambush? Or to perform cover fire? Or moving as a group? Or treating gunshot wounds? Comp shooting just looks like gamer/fudds scoring points for trophies.
@@scherry9198 what ambushes are you getting into in America that you need to train for them? Furthermore, who is ambushing you in this little fantasy of yours? Is it the people you deem as not real Americans or something?
@@scherry9198 furthermore, what group are you in exactly that needs to train on this? Are you in the US Army or just some armed gang of thugs you call your friends acting like you are in a militia but are just a criminal gang committing acts of terror on civilians?
As an eurotrash getting into Rifle IPSC, 95% of rifles being used are US made...I think that is says something regarding the quality of parts...just saying...
@FocusTripp please read. Going to be little long sorry.
Why on earth do these guys think that gear reviews do not matter? Are these guys so out of touch of reality of the everyday man’s living expense? Like these guys probably clear 6 figures by a lot, meanwhile I am a man with a family with a wife who does not work and make 98,000 a year I am scraping by, can not just go out and purchase something and find out it doesn’t work very good for me, I do not have that luxury, so in they’re opinion I should just either not shoot? Or by something that may get me killed because I bought something that doesn’t work good but I blew all my money on it and didn’t have extra money to buy something else. I find it very insulting that these guys do not give a shit about their fellow American who also supports the 2a, all because they are not a competition shooter or a military vet. I should just go out and keep buying things that don’t work and keep spending money that I work hard for as a garbage man? With they’er logic they should not drive and only I should since I have a cdl because I am a professional and they are not? Do they not watch reviews on which tv is the best tv or which surround sound system is the best? Do they just blow thousands of dollars on things till they find the one they like? Or is that only allowed in that context and not the gun community? It’s becoming less of a community and more like right vs left in politics. Where if you don’t agree with my opinion you are worthless and wrong. These guys are giving off blue hair girl vibes.
It is very strange. I try to give people good info and protect their wallets. I don't know how that could be construed as a bad thing.
@@FocusTripp they didnt say it was a bad thing. they say it is secondary to training and u shouldnt get caught up just watching gear reviews and get out and train because all of the gear in the world wont matter if u cant use it. they dont say not to get gear but get gear and dont sweat whether its the best get good stuff and train with it. yes do research so u dont get junk, but once u got it go train and dont keep sitting around watching more gear reviews and debating on which gear is better because that doesnt matter in a shtf situation!
@@FocusTrippand we appreciate it
@@shaunzimmerman661 Dude...these jokers don't want to hear that.
There seems to be a crossover between Pranka fans/comp shooters, and shortsighted, elitist dudes who have awful attitudes and suck at communicating ideas. Who would’ve guessed that following a drunk dude with a toxic attitude is gonna rub off on your own, or that said guy would attract dudes with similar toxic attitudes.
That Venn Diagram is just a circle.
Hops fan bois are the most toxic. Unwilling to hear the truth.
Looks like your comment attracted one of those toxic DBs
@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw if you'd "hop" off of Pranka's cock for 10 seconds youd see the problem is communication skills
Well...... Jesus.....
That was bad lol
I think he took some criticism to heart, which is why I like these public discussions.
@FocusTripp Very true, it was a solid steam.
If I was still a drinker tho...
@Regular_Guy_Training_LLC that would have made it a riot
@FocusTripp heard you earlier in the steam tho. Depending on what and when it is, I'm not against coming on btw.
@@Regular_Guy_Training_LLC do you have an ig or email I can message you?
The people arguing against “larping” can make any excuse they want, they can spin it however they want, they word it however they want, but the premise of their view is, “You guys are wannabe military, you shouldn’t do that, just get an AR for home defense and shut up.” The resurgence of the militia makes them angry. They offer no encouragement or approval. They’ll come back and say, “That’s not what I’m saying! You’re putting words in my mouth!” All while explicitly stating they wish guntube didn’t exist and no one should run around the woods in camo. Are some people silly about it? Sure, but the guys who are serious also point that out. Guys like the one in the video wish it was 2008 again.
That's a strawman - the point is buying a ton of gear and running around in the woods while being a terrible shooter is silly.
@@JB22636 And literally nobody advocates for that. So they're swinging at air.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD The issue is that it's pointless to have thousands of dollars in gear and guns. When the majority do not have the skill level on par with a c or b class shooter. It's about assigning value to priorities appropriately.
I don't think the majority of shooters know how bad they are. And to be frank, I think they are scared to find out.
Got myself a nice bowl of Pedigree for this
Did you bring your gear you have no clue how to use?
Another great stream! Thank you.
This recent trend of gun guys who take themselves too seriously and have an elitist complex speaking in absolutes only to become a walking talking contradiction is absurd.
Thanos? Is that you deciding what everyone needs? Lol. I wonder how he would feel if an elected official decided he didn’t “need” the gear he competes in.
Well seeing that both of the last two presidents, and the one that is becoming it again, banned attachments from the AR15.
I wonder if he voted for President Bumpstock.
The dude says verbatim that “that’s a really dirty way to fight guerrilla right now” but also says he has no combat experience so is he just openly talking out of his ass while claiming others do the same or what?
Prior Marine Corps. I have used my gear in much harsher conditions and much more often than i ever did in the military. You could say that for about 95% of people in today's military. Imagine thinking that your credibility to test gear should be based off "wearing a helmet since i was 17!" Absolute clown. People I've met that have never served are far better shooters than me and have put their equipment through an absolute ringer. This same mindset comes from dudes who treated their boots/juniors like shit because they "haven't been there and done that" or are a lower rank.
I feel like Pranka has really impacted the civilian content space the past two weeks. Lots of hurt feelings. Dude has some insane experience. Worth listening to him, even if he has no respect for TH-camrs, IMO.
Which is why I’m so irritated with how dumb he acted. Absolutely shot his whole argument in the foot by being ignorant and lashing out needlessly
He might be a good shooter and knowledgeable. But every video ive seen of him, he has such a hard ass douche bag attitude. I think hes drunk in most of the videos ive seen. He contradicts himself constantly and is massively out of touch when it comes to the internet. And hes just an asshole. I would rather not see content from king douche tough fudd.
Hes always got a super tough guy attitude, is really dismissive of others, is drunk a lot, and is generally unpleasant. He contradicts himself a lot, and i dont respect him even if hes a good and knowledgeable shooter. Hes a fudd first and foremost. Hes out of touch with the internet, and id seek training elsewhere like ben stoeger. Hes actually funny, in touch with the internet, pleasant to be around, and doesnt project a better than you attitude.
@ still, experienced dude
@@jimziogas8978 i said i dont care if hes knowledge or good at shooting. Hes an unpleasant person and contradicts himself a lot. The world is not lacking for former cool guys trying to sell their coolness, and you are not limited to Captain tough drunk.
Oh man, I need that countdown music! I'm gonna keep coming back here to replay the intro to listen to it
Gunfighting is an American martial art. I’ve been carrying a gun professionally for over 34 years and know the difference between a gunfight and a shooting. He’s a target shooter and targets don’t shoot back and has no real concept of reality and It shows in his comments like drones are dirty warfare, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying hard enough.
If the ranges are known, it isn’t in 360 degrees, aren’t properly using cover, isn’t totally blind, and retaining your reload, you are just gaming. Comp can help with drawing and 1st round hits, some movement, and running on rocks. And you are right. In a fight, anything less than the full might of the mil isn’t enough. And using anything that can keep you safe while taking out the enemy is the reason we have a the MOAB. Dang sure I would use a drone. I get a feeling a lot of these guys talk up their mil experiences.
Examining the "need" argument: you don't "need" to be spending your time dryfiring and burning through cases of FMJ improving your hit factor with a handgun in competition gear. That is a sport and a hobby.
Feel like so much of this argument comes down to narcissism - I chose to compete, therefore what I chose to do must be superior to what you chose to do. Dude, how about you go game with guns on a flat range and I'll go larp in my fantasy. No need to shit on others for doing what they believe will better prepare themselves.
Nailed it. People like this are everywhere. They were never punched in the face and it shows. "I am special because I said so, so if I do it it's better, and if I admit I'm not special I may kill myself" sorta deal. But many are so entrenched in their complex that the very idea they may not be special never even occurs.
BCM AR-15, Baretta 1301 tac, or A300up, and Glock 19, or 17. There's your basics. From there, an accurate bolt gun, or AR-10 DPMS pattern, in.308, or 6.5 creedmoor to keep ammo reasonable. If $ isn't a concern, 6.5 PRC, but 6.5 creedmoor, and. 308 are about the same $, and 6.5 creedmoor can take any game inside 300 yards.
Add .22 and your basics are covered for just about anything
@eriklambert3809 : Thank you, I knew I was forgetting something, just couldn't remember what it was. Of course .22lr!
No point in preparing for fantasies that will never happen, competitions are actually real, too bad Ukraine didn't get the message. It's also good that we know the future and know nothing bad or unexpected will ever happen.
You don't need gear, you just need to train without any, somehow; ignore all the expensive gamer gear I'm using for competitions though.
Hey now....I am the drunk uncle.
Godspeed
@FocusTripp Hey you little crotch goblins... let me tell you bout Operation Paperclip.
I ran level 4 plates when i worked as a security contractor, longer then 11 hours a day in the desert in and out of convoys. I just know these gate keepers are annoying af, whos trashing people who dont shoot competition or who never done cool sh** in a Mil, Leo or security capacity.
That's not the point. He's asking what those GunTubers can do right now? Can they shoot better than M class? Can they even run Matt's CQB Assessment? None of those guntubers could answer. They have nothing under their belts. Just opinions.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Do you need to score competitive lap times at the Nürburgring to be able to tell if a car is worth buying?
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jwI can come up with a blind, zero know distance course and very few, if any, would clear it. A comp class doesn’t dictate how someone will do in a fight. First rd hit, yep. Draw stroke, definitely helpful. Use of cover? Nope. Odd shooting positions? Maybe some. Or could it be better to do it blind, unknown distance, unknown rounds, could start off sitting, maybe holding a kid? I’ve seen this scenario. A group of guys get together once a month and 1 guy designs a group of scenarios for them to have to figure out. The randomness can be wild. Using junk cars, even a tractor 😂. But you get 1 chance at it and you can’t see it till you shoot.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD DO you go to TH-cam to see if you have cancer? Or the doctor?
Rewatching the stream because I was half asleep for the first viewing. It’s so exhausting to hear people polarize topics like this, gear is important just like training is important. The gear is worthless without proper training, and the training is useless without the proper gear.
I have stopped watching alot of GTube all together. I just don't care what some else tells me I should be doing. IDC what there opinions are about me. IDK why anyone does. Be free my brothers. Jus tshow me how good the product is, and make me laugh every now and then... That's it. Leave your ego at home. And, If you wanna buy tons of kit, do it, if you want to train, do it. If you don't wanna do it don't. It's especially sad comming from ex and current military guys telling me i'm stupid for doing any of it. I guess I know they really don't give AF about freedom. They care about themselves. So dumb man. I'm a commercial carpenter constuction worker. I have titles like journeyman foreman, and other useless crap. That doesn't mean anyone that doesn't isn't aloud to use a impact drill, or layout a floor because it isn't there profession. Wouldn't that make me a D-Bag to say you have no business touching the tools of my trade? Don't you dare try to operate any heavy machinery either. You are larping if you do. Get outta here with these ego inflated maniacs who have never thought about anyone but themselves.
I rather attend a thunder ranch course, then participate in competition matches.
Cus D'amato, arguably the greatest boxing coach of all time, only ever had a brief amateur career, yet he understood the science behind it better than most.
Competition is fantastic don't get me wrong, but it simply isn't the be all end all. Obviously its beneficial to train and compete as much your resources and lives allow, but hell man, some of these guys get so damn hyperbolic.
Dude has a weird argument sounds very familiar to a certain “what is your ar-15 going to do against an F-16” Id like to remind anyone who makes this argument war is much more than flat range shooting, we didn’t have to retreat from Afghanistan because the Taliban were all GM USPCA guys. Learning to shoot better is never bad, rucking on the weekend and learning how to use your gear is equally valid. Ukraine was fantasy until it wasn’t, and frankly I enjoy larping with the boys.
When I got into the gun industry, I didn’t realize it was gonna be that much worse than motocross/freestyle motocross. Everyone is wrong and you (subjective) are the right one, and if someone’s opinion doesn’t line up call them gay, and fat without answering why. At least we have an understanding that you can fucking die doing what we do, so there’s understanding with that.
Brass, Focus, and Hop, IMO, are the most honest basis for reviews in the entire TH-cam space, and are needed to hold others accountable, for the betterment of the consumers on the market.
And just because I want to watch a fucking video on a LPVO deciding if the reticle design is useful doesn’t mean I’m a fucking larper, it means I don’t want to WASTE 2 paychecks worth of construction work on something I hate.
Oh, and I shoot comps every week, but just for practice. Cause comp belts are gay.
is a well regulated militia considered a gatekeeper?
No, it's what we should normalize.
@@FocusTripp FWIW, I get the sense that Autonomous (and Matt) reckon the competition scene is a better "well regulated militia" to rally around than the other silos that exist in the 2 A community. IMO it's a decent perspective, that not only builds individual skill levels but also potentially builds bridges.
@SunsetOz-nk1br I think there is a real community there, but there is also real community outside of that as well. I would recommend everyone get plugged in with a local group whether it's comp shooters, prep guys, or whatever you can find that's like minded and competent
@@FocusTripp You did/do good vids on budget options to get started, that compliment your retail business. I think Autonomous makes valid points (about the fetishization of gear in general), but he (and others) selectively overlook contributions of some in the gear community to buttress those points.
@@FocusTripp I just hooked up with my local guys out here in Waco they are going by the Davidian’s .
People should do what gets them excited about the second amendment. When people invest they become more protective over what they invest in. If people invest in second amendment tools, they will become more protective of the second amendment. If everybody took this advice, politicians would’ve rolled over our 2A rights a long time ago.
Missed _your_ Thanksgiving Special...
RIP Mr. Harrell
Comp shooters may be good at certain aspects, but they also get to walk through the stages and do their pre-stage theatrics, to get the best time and hits.
However, the see-through walls don't prepare them for an actual real-world self-defense, or SHTF situation, IMO.
That's the part about comp shooter's that I can't stand, especially when they think it does for them and try to talk shit about people that don't.
Matches aren't scenarios they are drills. So I see where you are coming from, but your thinking is fundamentally flawed. Practical shooting is about being as skilled as you can be under the clock, that's it. Once you are at an acceptable skill level you can worry about other things like working corners and blind targets. The amount of dudes who I have seen who can do all the tactical stuff but couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat is staggering.
"2nd Amendment? I only train ZOG-bots!" -Matt Pranka
I like turtles
Shooting competitions can help you become a better shooter but it doesn’t all directly translate. No one should set up their defensive rifle/pistol or their “go to war” rifle up like they would a competition rifle. Competition setups are meant for speed and sacrifice a lot to gain it. Putting a comp on your handgun is common in competitive shooting but comps inherently make handguns more unreliable. Muzzle breaks are common on competition rifles but they increase muzzle flash which will give your position away in combat. It will also wash out your natural night vision in low light.
Comps are competitive guns aren't common. The most popular division is carry optics. Open is the only division that allows comps or.ports.
@ I said that they are common. Not most common or most popular.
@@Front-Toward-Enemy No hard feelings.
Who needs to pay 500 dollars for a trainer to say use cover. Nearly 100% of gun fights happen within 7 yds. Speed and accuracy are paramount. Taking a 3 man CQB course is pointless for example
"nearly"
If I am going to plan and train for the likely, I am not going to bother carrying a gun.
All of these comments on what does and doesn’t have value would be true if they ended with “for me”…. Just because NVG content doesn’t have value to you, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have value to the guy getting rid of hogs on his property …..
Seems like a lot of gun guys get tunnel vision based on their very specific skill set, whether it's comp shooting, combat experience in a particular time and place, or prepping for some sort of war scenario in CONUS. Far too many guys making lots of assumptions about other guys doing something different from them.
Autonomous Defense gives off "I'm pro 2A, but..." vibes, and clearly thinks very highly of his own opinions. If people want to buy tactical gear for whatever reason, why does he care? It's not like they're spending his money. He spent nearly 40 minutes to say "a lot of guys really need to train more."
I almost never hang out with other competition shooters. Most of them are rich boys very arrogant very rude. It’s also an entirely different discipline so to pretend like being a really great competition shooter prepares you for the real world is honestly very untrue in my opinion.
Experience is the only thing you need in order to teach others. You need experience with the gear being reviewed. But it doesn’t matter if your experience comes from being in the military. In fact, being in the military alone isn’t enough for me to trust an opinion of certain items. Because not every rifle is used by the military. Not every helmet is used by the military and not every optic is used by the military. Being in the military isn’t enough for people to trust your opinion on say, a holosun optic. The military doesn’t issue out holosun optics.
35:00 What the hell is he on about there? What makes a good competition gun does not make a good duty gun. A competition gas system in an AR is going to shit the bed if it's not pampered. Lightweight BCGs have issues feeding if not perfectly paired with the right gas tube, gas port, buffer, etc. Sure, competition gave us free float rails, midlength gas, and LPVOs (which I'm still not bought in to since prisms and dots are lighter and more rugged), but a competition rifle won't make it through a duty centered class, let alone actual duty. Like Ben said, you bring a duty gun to teach a duty class. A duty rifle may have a competition influenced rail, but it's not a competition rail. That's all ignoring that being GM doesn't make or break real world conflict. The GWOT would have gone the exact same way with it without the ACOG and ARM courses, we would have just spent a bit more ammo and had less headshots. The only time training and gear matter in conflict is when they're so bad that you can not apply good tactics. A bunch of slick sleeves who listen to their NCO and have gear that doesn't need to be pampered are going to wreck shop against a larger force of special operators/competition shooters with fragile gear and shitty coms. Would they wreck shop faster with better gear and training? Yes. But tactics beats out everything. That's the big problem with the community. Most gear reviewers are consoomers who push fictional tactics to look cool, competition guys disregard tactics and quality gear, and the small niche that recognizes the importance of tactics/gear/training gets drowned out by midwits who watch too much Shawn Ryan.
Holy ads good sir. ❤
@@mikebrown4433 sorry, I will manually remove them
Go figure this guy is an aspiring RSO.. lol
Did the chat get nuked for the VOD?
If it did, blame TFB TVs music copyright.
@FocusTripp Lame. This is why copyright should be abolished. Chat is the best.
I don’t need his opinion. Even if he is fortunate teller and what the future holds. He does need to make his stance on the 2A clear.
That @autonomousdefense guy seems to contradict himself at every sentence
Competitors know everything. But if someone comes up with a competition that incorporates NV and other gear they don't know sh*t.
Competition shooters are more diverse than you would think on that. I've hosted NV matches and host practical outlaw matches. Don't be so quick to say what Competition is and isn't.
What is it with the Botkin-build guys always being arrogant and stupid? I'm pretty convinced it's a phenotype by this point.
47:45 this dude and Matt constantly contradict themselves it’s really hard to listen to. Demonstrates lack of an actual point or thing to say. Just talking to talk. IMO.
That TFB video…kinda feels like AI wrote the script and edited the video together. 😅
43:55 "another presidential coup". This seems to plant him on the anti-2A side. Are you really uninformed enough to believe there was a 1st presidential coup?
Yo am I gonna see you at the zombies shoot in nebraska?!?! That would be sweet!!!
When is it?
@FocusTripp last year it was end of May beginning if june. Hornady hasn't released the dates yet. It's at their range in grand island.
@@perhapsyes5745 if you get the dates feel free to email or DM and I will try to get out to it
Competition shooters set the standard for manufacturers to produce guns. No cop bolted a dot on their service pistol. Who are the top trainers for civilian, military, and cops? Mostly Competition shooters. Bc they have figured things out more than others bc of the round count. Would you ask a a golfer how to serve in tennis? They both swing. They both hit a ball. Just go train.
many gun guys make videos and give opinions for either A) money / ad revenue , B) fashion statement (oh i just scrathed my gun teee hee oh no) this guns painted so pretty!
I agree, that is the bad content I want to call out/discuss.
I’m pretty Stoeger never won nationals with a stock Glock… he shot berettas then tanfo’s. I’ll stipulate that, but I’m pretty sure that is correct.
Also I think dude misspoke… I don’t think he meant glocks weren’t ever used to win… if he meant that. He’s incorrect. But… he is correct on the current stage most folks do not think a Glock is competitive in a world of shadow 2’s, and Brantley did kick ass with a Glock, just cause. He is correct on that.
Careful who you call a drunk uncle, Ben might just pull a competition move on you
I dont think this guy doesn't need a hug from hop, he needs to be taught a lesson in a mma gym, to learn to be humble. I'm just sick of people who put down people cause the regular people don't do cool guy things.
Could you imagine Hop in an MMA gym? 😂😂😂
I can see it, id run pads for him and coach him@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw
Seems like the solution is somewhere in the middle. Both sides had some valid points and both sides said some wild stuff. Just go out and train, compete, make youtube videos, larp, whatever. Who cares what other people think.
This goes back to the Xgay debacle. Unless you consume the content that hop and brassfacts create please shut up because they are the rule not exception lol Lucas is literally a guntuber who creates for merely consumerism marketing that doesn’t really put out anything that’s informative or data driven.
Just something he kept bringing up, and I’ll paraphrase it here, “training for competitions is better than Mil/LE training in a lot of ways”, as a blanket statement, no. If you train for a competition, then you’re going to be good at competing, not necessarily at self defense.
A competition is a one-way range, real life is a two-way range. It’s like training Aikido or Tae Kwon Do and going into a street fight, if your opponent is unskilled, those martial arts will certainly give you an edge, but if your opponent knows anything like BJJ, Muay Thai, or boxing, you’re getting your ass kicked.
Now that’s not to say training for competition is a bad thing as focus mentioned. There are certainly highly applicable shooting drills competition shooters use, but your foundation for self defense should be built around defensive drills and training, not competition style drills.
This long ass opinion sounds like it came from a person with high opinion and low commitment.
A Tae Kwon Do youtuber (used to go by kwonkicker) went to thailand to fight and won via spinning back kick to the Thai's liver.
The problem isn't Tae Kwon Do, it's not sparring. If you're sparring, that's a two-way fight. In Aikido there's very little sparring and the little sparring they do is done by yielding to the moves (they claim that trying to resist to a throw will break the arms and such). Aikido is a one-way fight in the dojo.
@@CA.0verview am I wrong?
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD that’s anecdotal, by and large, MMA fighters don’t use Tae Kwon Do as a central/basal discipline. As I said earlier, if your opponent is unskilled or very bad at their discipline, then a Tae Kwon Do fighter will walk all over them, but if they go up against someone who knows the ground game, the Tae Kwon Do fighter is getting folded.
It’s similar with competition vs defensive training, competition doesn’t teach guys to find adequate cover, deescalate, and in most cases, fight through limb loss. Just to reiterate, a strictly competition based shooter (like the Tae Kwon Do practicer) is certainly far more capable than the average low-skilled opponent especially in terms of accuracy, but they would likely get styled on in a gunfight due to not having the self-preservation and tactical fundamentals.
This all not to say that training for competition is bad or doesn’t teach you useful skills, it just shouldn’t be a crutch to rely on, train how you fight instead.
@@elterga6224 The reason there's hardly any MMA fighters from a TKD background is that people either give up after getting the black belt or go into Olympic style competition. We've also reached the optimization stage of MMA as kids/teens are now taking MMA classes rather than get into fighting through a singular art like in the 1990s.
The problem with TKD is that much like Karate it became a place to drop off kids for 1h-1h30, because if you look up traditional TKD it included elbows and knees.
A similar thing happened to Judo due to Olympic influence. The world judo organization has stated they will reintroduce leg grabs for takedowns which the Olympic games removed to make Judo more distinct from wrestling. So Judo is trying to reverse the degradation of the martial art created by Olympic interference. If you train TKD to fight rather than win point matches your skill and strength advantage over the opponent becomes the determining factor, not the martial art.
TL;DR shooting competition = hitting the heavy bag = Aikido
TKD = playing airsoft/paintball
The only optics im using is my current prescription glasses and running irons, they dont require batteries. Redot optics seem like some magical space sh** to me especially since redots don't interact my eyesight since im in my 40's now.
I agree with both sides of this argument, but people really are ass mad that someone told them having nods isn't necessary.
Pranka = rent free
Dude is a toxic DB with the "if you didn't serve in the military you don't matter" mentality. The only people who agree with him are either the same or are just bootlickers.
You have way to much compression on your mic, have for a long time. Almost unlistenable in the car.
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@FocusTripp didn't mean it to sound so harsh sorey abiut that, but I have been binging your stuff while driving for about a week now. You always sound super bassie making it hard to understand what your saying, that's after turning the bass all the way down in my car. Your guests sound fine and are easy to understand. So I don't know exactly what the issue is, but I assume it's compression, i would definitely enjoy it much more if you were easier to understand on my driving trips.
But AI implies intelligence. 😂😂😂 My bad. 😂😂😂
Missed a quarter of it because fixated on the ridiculous "TCR" thing at the bottom, what's that and the bad original video quality all about?
There's so many things wrong that were not commented on. It's like he has no idea what brasshop is and thinks they just shill for products for money? Or maybe he just think they don't have the necessary... uh... pedigree?
Also, here's a crazy thought. Maybe someone just likes going to the mountains and having fun while training and larping, maybe with nods?? Why would it need to be some "fantasy"? I guess that's also just not enough................... pedigree........ to allow them to say anything about what they learned there?
Guns on a livestream is tricky, so I edit the footage to be more difficult to tell what it is.
@@FocusTripp Ah, I see you explained it but I didn't think that's what you meant. OK.
If u wanna piss everyone off....get paul howe on the stream...LMFAO
Nah dog, you are missing the point. I'm not going to break down why I agree with Matt, but I'm throwing my downvote on your video. Not doing civilian guntubers any favors by dying on this hill. This is why they have a lot views, and money, but little respect from the people who have been there, done that, and put their money where their mouth is. You guys really missed the point.
🤣damn vets and comp guys speed running being gay asf for no reason. Like chill bro who cares you have a 15 hit factor if you can’t recommend a ruck to sustain myself 🤣🤣
the "industry" needs to be us learning how to make our own weapons and ammo incase of a war where we are called on to defend our nation in a time were maybe our nation wont have a real military any longer. our founding ancestors were mostly White guys that did everything under the cover of darkness and had a vast knowledge base.
R u ok
@@ghijkl the industry shouldn't be a corporate welfare concern it should be as it was when America was founded. if you cannot understand that then you are lost.
@@haveacigar5291 you can just say no
@@ghijkl it's not that I am ok or not, you just have a problem with he point being raised for whatever reason. you want to manipulate others opinions.
@@haveacigar5291 how long have you been divorced
I'm inviting drauncle Xray to the TG dinner now.
@@kooldoor69 honestly a good time
Dude is a child whining about some other kid's toys
1:40:40 more detail to alllll that? No thanks.
re: the "he just drops the mag" thing because that's as far as I am in the video. to me this shows that you do not understand training. if you have never dropped a magazine in training doing reloads, you are not training hard enough. my guess is that this guy's fundamentals are a lot more squared away than yours, which is maybe why he doesn't care about showing a flubbed reload. people who train for real know that that's a thing. ask ben stoeger about this and just about training in general. L take.
Sure, everyone makes mistakes in training. But it's funny juxtaposition that's he's talking about why everyone else's opinions don't matter.
@@FocusTripp personally i don't think it's a credible thing to call out. in training you should be pushing to the point where you make mistakes. that's part of the process.
i know hop said this but you seemed to agree, what is the issue with his support hand grip exactly?
Beretta M9, great military gun. Needs substantial modification for competition uses. P320, great competition gun, sub par military use. 1911, great competition, great military use. Chest rigs are great for standing up, if you go dick down in the mud, that chest rig just packed your mags in mud. Same comp dudes say an AR forward assist is useless haven't shot in the snow and had their bolt freeze up on a slick side AR. Reviewers are great because they offer perspective for people looking to solve real world problems. A useless dump pouch is a good place to store a mag that can't collect dust and mud.
"that chest rig just packed your mags in mud" -- This why flapped mag pouches are superior to all those open-top high speed rigs everyone seems to love. I think belt kit is superior to a chest rig anyway. Chest rigs only really caught on due to mechanized operations, because wearing belt kit in a vehicle for longer than a few minutes sucks.
Chest rigs are fine when you’re actually going prone. If you’re down in the mud, it’ll get in anywhere you’re carrying mags. Flap pouches really make the difference.
Pranka will live rent free in their heads forever 😂
Pranka will forever be remembered as a stupid drunk with zero knowledge of fighting without government backup. If that counts as living rent free, then sure lol.
@@tiger_sochihow much knowledge do you have in combat without "government backup"
"Live rent free", or just a lazy way to say I don't care about facts and just bootsuck the person in question.
Glimmer gang button --->
Why dose the thumbnail imagine have Matt Pranka And Luas Bobkin and no clips of them in the stream ? This person you’re analyzing looks like a L.
Lucas is brought up, directly in a section about him starting a training channel with Brantley. The whole discussion started with Pranka and ADs response to Hop and Brass and reviewers in general.