Really well refereed in trying circumstances. By the way, I recommended your channel to my ref last Sunday - one of the big guns at the Southern Sunday Football League.
Really well controlled and agree 3 reds the 4th was soft but at the time you gave what you saw - I’ve started refereeing after a few years out and haven’t had a game yet so looking forward to getting back out and your videos have helped thank you very much !
Thank you Luke. Yeah 4th one was very soft, but it did calm the game down massively with those 4 off of the pitch. Good stuff. Welcome back and enjoy it out there
I know you've improved a lot since this as I've just seen your recent videos. You did brilliantly to sort that mass brawl out but I'd have abandoned it myself and sent a report in. I had to abandon an Under 13s game for a mass brawl up here in NW too. BTW,there is no such think as obstruction any more,which I think you likely know by now. Definite push on the blue defender for Reds second goal though.
Holy moly bud that was some shenanigans to deal with. Very well presented your decisions and great control of a very difficult situation. Football needs to learn a bit of respect especially to people like yourself as without your contribution there would be no game. Refreshing to see such an honest self critique of your performance and I've just subscribed and look forward to tuning in from now on.
This is great stuff. My question is during the brawl - what mental notes are you making to yourself to remember who’s done what?? What do you do to make sure you remember the detail in those few seconds?
I was literally just talking to myself the whole time and saying the numbers of the main culprits over and over. I was trying to remember faces as well
It’s almost impossible to get it all, but as long as you get the main culprits and anyone running from distance to needlessly get involved, they’re always easy ones to spot.
@@robbetts712 agreed. I had a mentor/assignor use 'first, worst, last' as an acronym for giving cards: who starts it, who aggravates the confrontation (by running in, any red card offences, etc) and who starts a secondary confrontation after everything settles down ('last').
2nd goal hands were in the back 100% but well handled with the fight. you made all the right calls and saw things I'd have to watch back 3 times to see
I think the FA should make a new rule about players/staff running on to the pitch all getting instant reds. It's hard enough dealing with 22 players fighting, when you get a dozen people charging in from the flanks it turns in to chaos, so they should all get a card and the resulting ban.
Yeah but eventually it may sink in. When I first worked on the pitch with the TV crews I was shocked at how much abuse and aggression is directed at the officials. I'm a big fan of how rugby deals with it, and while football would be reeling for the first few months if anyone who swore at the ref was sent off - as more than half the team would be booked in the first half - it may eventually lead to a bit more of a controlled game. However that's none of my business as I'm strictly an observer, and well above the pay grade and responsibility of any single ref - the powers that be need to address it across the whole country, if not continent, as it would never ever work for single refs in single matches. I'm hugely impressed at how you managed to keep track of what was going on in the melee, I think a lot of people would have given up following the punches and just abandoned the match, it's good that you got the culprits off and managed to get a good game out of it.
@elliottsw I 100% agree with you. Initially the FA thought sin bins would help but there’s still the same amount of abuse in the game, if not more. There’s respect in rugby which is taught from a young age. In football it’s completely different and referees get all the blame
I've just started refereeing and have all on trying to focus on a normal game, it's seriously impressive how you identified the main culprits out of those throwing handbags. Shameful behaviour but you handled it superbly.
Shoulder to shoulder for the reds second goal, good legitimate goal. The blues first goal ruled of for offside, from here he looked on, when it's frozen his foot looks on the line along with the other reds, but you were in a much better position than me behind a screen lol.
Thought you reffed well, really well done on getting the 4 reds as alot going on and easy to miss. Having no club AR's really puts the pressure on you for those OS calls but all looked pretty spot on, do not understand why clubs turn down have club AR's.
Thank you. This time I just stood back and was able to see most of what was going on. They just think that they will cheat so would rather put more pressure on the refs and moan when it’s not right
I say i’d rather not do the offsides and some clubs always insist, and I just want the game to go ahead, but it’s frustrating when there close like that. Thank you John
Looking back definitely 3 red cards, 4th one was very soft, probably a yellow. After that though, both teams were warned and to be fair they got on with it
See how the 4th red could be soft but a good decision imo to even up the reds especially when there’s an opportunity to do it, definitely calmed it down
I think for me the 2nd NLR goal could have gone either way on that decision, I don't think its shoulder to shoulder but the defender went down incredibly easy. maybe if he stands his ground a bit more then it would be a more obvious foul. If I were a HGT supporter I'd be annoyed but not outraged, as a neutral it looks like one of those decisions that could go either way depending on the day IMO. you dealt with the fight really well I think. Everything seemed reasonable to me. And yeah I'm aware I'm very late xD thought this was a new video when it popped up xD
From the video, all your decisions appeared correct and justified. A small point, but I don't think you need to repeat your justification for your decisions...good referring.
I like how Blue number 8 cause most of the trouble and didn't get punished. Perfect troll. If you look at the replay he the running into the first foul causing all the other players to confront.
Iam not sure what it's like in other places in Britain for violent players in amateur Sunday league teams,but in Liverpool they take coke before and at half time and the supporters and players have weapons stashed in car's if anyone confronts the home team it's put loads of officials and players off joining certain leagues.
Shame the discussion is on the mass con but hey, who'd be a ref eh? Respect for sorting through it but many would have abandoned and nkt been criticised. Do reds first btw then yellows. It's very hard with each additional potential card so to keep the aggressors number/team for 3rd and 4th in your mind was really good as by then it's usually a big crowd and difficult to see, especially hard without neutrals.
They should be grateful you didnt abandon it. Highgate manager should apologise. The player who is league refs secretary - what did he do? I think you did very well considering
It was certainly on my mind and I said one more bad tackle and the game is done. He was one of the main guys to control his team in all honestly, done well to calm it down. Thank you mate, just annoying as it was over something so minor
@@RefsWorld yeah the players who overreact are the biggest danger to the game. Most people are reasonable and just want to enjoy their football. Credit to you for your firm but fair approach. Would have loved to be reffed by you
so so silly, i know different countries and leagues have different levels of tolerance. The Americans are killing the game lol. In Aus, this level of violence has crossed the line for me - only just, the coaching staff actually came on and assisted (rather than throwing more punches, like i have seen) - I think im blowing full time and abandoning the match here. Well done though (Australia)
It was crazy and I can still remember it like it was yesterday. Everyone on the side was helpful and I think all red cards were worthy. After that, no one put in a bad tackle
The mic is on the camera as wearing a body mic would be an reportable offence and likely result in the referee being fined / suspended or a written warning 👍😉
@@robbetts712 Huh? He isn’t wearing a camera while reffing. Body mic isn’t illegal. Maybe in that country but not in others. The mic is on his body. Don’t answer for someone else. You are clueless if you think the camera is catching his voice from that distance.
Wearing a body mic isn’t allowed in England unless authorised by the county FA - it’s specifically mentioned in the FA laws, I’d send you the link to the laws that states this but I have a feeling it’ll be wasted on you.
@@robbetts712 I was asking the uploader. Doesn’t matter what the law says. Maybe this ref wears one even if he can’t. There is no way that sound is from the camera. Let him reply so I know what mic it is.
Hi guys. In England we aren’t allowed to be mic’d up. I had receivers on the side of the pitch which is why the audio was so good. It’s to expensive to constantly use, hence why video’s are different now. I don’t think any camera alone could pick that up.
The problem with having no club referee assistants to do the line is that you will not get everything right. Where I am all games must have a linespersons or they get a fine from the league. In 18 years I have never refereed a game without someone doing the line. I think you will need to look at the league rules regarding linespersons.
In my country we work without assistant refs for many low divisions. It’s much better than having a person not running and not having the proper education.
No I always ask for them to do the line, but clubs don’t want to do it and I don’t want to be that person who doesn’t let the game go ahead because of it, so I just end up doing it
@@RefsWorld that’s fair enough then, I’ve never had issues with teams doing there fines, strange they don’t want to help you and make one less job for you to worry about
When this happens, do you just take notes on your card about the numbers involved or is it a mental note? Just trying to get the best advice when this sort of nonsense happens. Very well controlled and deserving!!!
On this occasion I was making a mental note of the numbers which worked well for me. What I would advise it to do what works best for you. So if you need to take out something to write on to make it easier, then do it.
I'm sorry, a red on Red 7 was harsh. He got smoked multiple times and threw his arms up to defend himself. That keeper should be expelled from the league for that. There is absolutely no place in this world for cold cocking someone in the back of the head from behind.
15:37 i would have sent the player or manager off for saying "oi ref get a proper job" because for me that comes under charge code S6 Use of offensive, insulting or abusive language and i think its insulting. but as he has already been sent off i would just add it to the report.
I am from portsmouth and completely neutral but looking back at some of your games when you ref your mates you are so bias it is unreal. In the cup game did you brief them to dive every time they were tapped so you could give a foul? If I was the other team i would have walked 5 minutes before time.
The one you say is your mate and claim that you are unbiased because you booked him. You show all the fouls from one side. If that is not bias then what is. How you reffed that match is bewildering. THAT MATE...
@@RefsWorld I would have hoped you got 2. You would have deserved them. 👍 Hay... You do a good job in difficult circumstances and I am not cool headed or man enough to to do it and I was a Royal marine!
Man. 20 minutes in I'd just say early dinner for me. That's not a match anymore. I don't like adult men's leagues. I'm my experiences, a bunch of had beens living through their fantasies. I like high schools. The schools themselves don't accept the behavior and would have prevented it before me even needing to step in
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alot of refs would have just abandoned this! Disgraceful behavior from both teams! props to you for actually getting this game complete!
Really well refereed in trying circumstances. By the way, I recommended your channel to my ref last Sunday - one of the big guns at the Southern Sunday Football League.
Thank you. Ohhh nice, look forward to some tips 👍🏼
Really well controlled and agree 3 reds the 4th was soft but at the time you gave what you saw - I’ve started refereeing after a few years out and haven’t had a game yet so looking forward to getting back out and your videos have helped thank you very much !
Thank you Luke. Yeah 4th one was very soft, but it did calm the game down massively with those 4 off of the pitch. Good stuff. Welcome back and enjoy it out there
hello, i´m a referee in portugal and i love the job that you are doing. keep doing.
I know you've improved a lot since this as I've just seen your recent videos. You did brilliantly to sort that mass brawl out but I'd have abandoned it myself and sent a report in. I had to abandon an Under 13s game for a mass brawl up here in NW too. BTW,there is no such think as obstruction any more,which I think you likely know by now. Definite push on the blue defender for Reds second goal though.
As a referee I wonder why I am alone on games that have offsides, it is almost impossible to see it, but I think You did a great job!
Very difficult to see offsides by yourself and there’s always one team who won’t agree with you
Holy moly bud that was some shenanigans to deal with. Very well presented your decisions and great control of a very difficult situation. Football needs to learn a bit of respect especially to people like yourself as without your contribution there would be no game. Refreshing to see such an honest self critique of your performance and I've just subscribed and look forward to tuning in from now on.
Should have abandoned the game. Embarrassment of men there, grown adults fighting over football. Grow up.
This is great stuff. My question is during the brawl - what mental notes are you making to yourself to remember who’s done what?? What do you do to make sure you remember the detail in those few seconds?
I was literally just talking to myself the whole time and saying the numbers of the main culprits over and over. I was trying to remember faces as well
It’s almost impossible to get it all, but as long as you get the main culprits and anyone running from distance to needlessly get involved, they’re always easy ones to spot.
@@robbetts712 agreed. I had a mentor/assignor use 'first, worst, last' as an acronym for giving cards: who starts it, who aggravates the confrontation (by running in, any red card offences, etc) and who starts a secondary confrontation after everything settles down ('last').
This is really good to know. Thank you
@@brandonl4914 love that, first worst and last - taking that into my next game, hopefully won’t be needed!
2nd goal hands were in the back 100% but well handled with the fight. you made all the right calls and saw things I'd have to watch back 3 times to see
I think the FA should make a new rule about players/staff running on to the pitch all getting instant reds. It's hard enough dealing with 22 players fighting, when you get a dozen people charging in from the flanks it turns in to chaos, so they should all get a card and the resulting ban.
I agree but no matter what law there is, as soon as something like this happens, everyone will still run onto the pitch
Yeah but eventually it may sink in. When I first worked on the pitch with the TV crews I was shocked at how much abuse and aggression is directed at the officials. I'm a big fan of how rugby deals with it, and while football would be reeling for the first few months if anyone who swore at the ref was sent off - as more than half the team would be booked in the first half - it may eventually lead to a bit more of a controlled game. However that's none of my business as I'm strictly an observer, and well above the pay grade and responsibility of any single ref - the powers that be need to address it across the whole country, if not continent, as it would never ever work for single refs in single matches.
I'm hugely impressed at how you managed to keep track of what was going on in the melee, I think a lot of people would have given up following the punches and just abandoned the match, it's good that you got the culprits off and managed to get a good game out of it.
@elliottsw I 100% agree with you. Initially the FA thought sin bins would help but there’s still the same amount of abuse in the game, if not more. There’s respect in rugby which is taught from a young age. In football it’s completely different and referees get all the blame
I've just started refereeing and have all on trying to focus on a normal game, it's seriously impressive how you identified the main culprits out of those throwing handbags. Shameful behaviour but you handled it superbly.
Shoulder to shoulder for the reds second goal, good legitimate goal. The blues first goal ruled of for offside, from here he looked on, when it's frozen his foot looks on the line along with the other reds, but you were in a much better position than me behind a screen lol.
Mad game ! The red cards were right. Great insight. Must have been so hard to call the offsides.
Its so refreshing watching this channel
It was crazy! It really is, especially when your not in line, watching the play and then having to watch the line to.
Thank you
Thought you reffed well, really well done on getting the 4 reds as alot going on and easy to miss. Having no club AR's really puts the pressure on you for those OS calls but all looked pretty spot on, do not understand why clubs turn down have club AR's.
Thank you. This time I just stood back and was able to see most of what was going on. They just think that they will cheat so would rather put more pressure on the refs and moan when it’s not right
Yeah i think he got all of them offside calls right.
The only one I wanted to see wasn’t picked up properly but considering how close a lot of them were, I think I had good positioning for a lot of them
@@RefsWorld don't give them the option there is no way the ref can call tight offsides. Thought you dealt with the melee fantastically though.
I say i’d rather not do the offsides and some clubs always insist, and I just want the game to go ahead, but it’s frustrating when there close like that. Thank you John
Ha, love the second Highgate goal where their striker spends the whole passage of play resting in the net.
I think 3 out 4 were red cards, the 4th was probs a yellow for pushing but i think you handled that really well.
Looking back definitely 3 red cards, 4th one was very soft, probably a yellow. After that though, both teams were warned and to be fair they got on with it
See how the 4th red could be soft but a good decision imo to even up the reds especially when there’s an opportunity to do it, definitely calmed it down
I agree and it was the best thing about it. Calmed the game down completely and it was like that for the rest of the match
@@RefsWorld Should have given him two yellows into a red instead of a direct red.
I'd be interested to know your total reds/yellows/son bins for season vs how many games taken.
I haven’t kept count but I wish I did. Next season for sure i’ll be updating my stats weekly
You did an outstanding job with the offside decisions. It's just so tough without linos. I noticed there were no corner flags?
Thank you! Certain pitches you might come across not having corner flags. No teams fault, the ground just doesn’t provide them
I think for me the 2nd NLR goal could have gone either way on that decision, I don't think its shoulder to shoulder but the defender went down incredibly easy. maybe if he stands his ground a bit more then it would be a more obvious foul. If I were a HGT supporter I'd be annoyed but not outraged, as a neutral it looks like one of those decisions that could go either way depending on the day IMO.
you dealt with the fight really well I think. Everything seemed reasonable to me.
And yeah I'm aware I'm very late xD thought this was a new video when it popped up xD
From the video, all your decisions appeared correct and justified. A small point, but I don't think you need to repeat your justification for your decisions...good referring.
Excellent refereeing.
I like how Blue number 8 cause most of the trouble and didn't get punished. Perfect troll. If you look at the replay he the running into the first foul causing all the other players to confront.
The sucker-punching goal-keeper - along with his deserved red I hope he got a lengthy ban !. A despicable, cowardly act - on a par with spitting !
Iam not sure what it's like in other places in Britain for violent players in amateur Sunday league teams,but in Liverpool they take coke before and at half time and the supporters and players have weapons stashed in car's if anyone confronts the home team it's put loads of officials and players off joining certain leagues.
This sounds crazy!
@@RefsWorld it's true,bad the way some amateur leagues have gone, people want to enjoy the game but the lunatics are killing it off.👍
Shame the discussion is on the mass con but hey, who'd be a ref eh? Respect for sorting through it but many would have abandoned and nkt been criticised. Do reds first btw then yellows. It's very hard with each additional potential card so to keep the aggressors number/team for 3rd and 4th in your mind was really good as by then it's usually a big crowd and difficult to see, especially hard without neutrals.
Haha exactly! Yeah this one was crazy and it would’ve been easier to abandon it. Okay, that’s noted for next time. Thank you
'5 red cars' the description says, but there's only 4?
Manager get sent off as well
They should be grateful you didnt abandon it. Highgate manager should apologise. The player who is league refs secretary - what did he do? I think you did very well considering
It was certainly on my mind and I said one more bad tackle and the game is done. He was one of the main guys to control his team in all honestly, done well to calm it down. Thank you mate, just annoying as it was over something so minor
@@RefsWorld yeah the players who overreact are the biggest danger to the game. Most people are reasonable and just want to enjoy their football.
Credit to you for your firm but fair approach. Would have loved to be reffed by you
How did you manage to remember all the incidents?
I was repeating the numbers on the back of the offenders in my head over and over. I was super focused this game so managed to see it all luckily
Bit of a shame that they can't hire 2 proper ARs for a quarterfinal. That's what you get I guess? Or is it due to ref shortage?
It’s just always been that way. AR’s come into the competition at the semi final stage
Excellent calls ref
Thank you
so so silly, i know different countries and leagues have different levels of tolerance. The Americans are killing the game lol. In Aus, this level of violence has crossed the line for me - only just, the coaching staff actually came on and assisted (rather than throwing more punches, like i have seen) - I think im blowing full time and abandoning the match here. Well done though (Australia)
It was crazy and I can still remember it like it was yesterday. Everyone on the side was helpful and I think all red cards were worthy. After that, no one put in a bad tackle
Well done for finishing the game - Its funny how players behave after an incident like that @@RefsWorld
Fantastic video and very well reffed all deserving of a red card they should just count themselves lucky you didn’t just walk off and abandon the game
Thank you! It could’ve easily have been done.
What mic are you using?
The mic is on the camera as wearing a body mic would be an reportable offence and likely result in the referee being fined / suspended or a written warning 👍😉
@@robbetts712 Huh? He isn’t wearing a camera while reffing. Body mic isn’t illegal. Maybe in that country but not in others. The mic is on his body. Don’t answer for someone else. You are clueless if you think the camera is catching his voice from that distance.
Wearing a body mic isn’t allowed in England unless authorised by the county FA - it’s specifically mentioned in the FA laws, I’d send you the link to the laws that states this but I have a feeling it’ll be wasted on you.
@@robbetts712 I was asking the uploader. Doesn’t matter what the law says. Maybe this ref wears one even if he can’t. There is no way that sound is from the camera. Let him reply so I know what mic it is.
Hi guys. In England we aren’t allowed to be mic’d up. I had receivers on the side of the pitch which is why the audio was so good. It’s to expensive to constantly use, hence why video’s are different now. I don’t think any camera alone could pick that up.
Nightmare. Did you write down the offending players during the fight? I would have missed who started it and threw the punches.
I wrote down the names after but got all the suspects! I remembered the faces of the culprits so was able to tell by that
The problem with having no club referee assistants to do the line is that you will not get everything right. Where I am all games must have a linespersons or they get a fine from the league. In 18 years I have never refereed a game without someone doing the line. I think you will need to look at the league rules regarding linespersons.
I just learned recently they if I ask(which I always do) they have to provide a lines person. A few teams prefer not to have one though in this league
In my country we work without assistant refs for many low divisions. It’s much better than having a person not running and not having the proper education.
That keeper is a massive bellend for that
Impossible to call offsides as a ref. Did well.
Reds keeper would be criminal charges and possible prison time in Australia. They don't like coward punches down here
Some of these punches should get a red card for cowardice. The keeper should be embarrassed
This was an awful scenario to be a referee in. All over nothing as well
Are these grown men ? I wouldn’t be a referee and thats one of the reasons we have so few refereees out there that will.
Are u choosing to not use club lino? Can never understand why your always forced to manage it yourself from the middle, just causes more problems
No I always ask for them to do the line, but clubs don’t want to do it and I don’t want to be that person who doesn’t let the game go ahead because of it, so I just end up doing it
@@RefsWorld that’s fair enough then, I’ve never had issues with teams doing there fines, strange they don’t want to help you and make one less job for you to worry about
@@RefsWorld what do the league rules state on clubs supplying linesmen? And what guidance does your county give on use of club linesman for offsides?
Just found out that if I ask they have to supply them. Thanks for actually bringing that up
When this happens, do you just take notes on your card about the numbers involved or is it a mental note? Just trying to get the best advice when this sort of nonsense happens. Very well controlled and deserving!!!
On this occasion I was making a mental note of the numbers which worked well for me. What I would advise it to do what works best for you. So if you need to take out something to write on to make it easier, then do it.
Well managed that. All 4 are red cards in the brawl.
Arm in the back I think, it's not shoulder to shoulder
Awesome
I'm sorry, a red on Red 7 was harsh. He got smoked multiple times and threw his arms up to defend himself. That keeper should be expelled from the league for that. There is absolutely no place in this world for cold cocking someone in the back of the head from behind.
It is but he did instigate this whole brawl and done his part in fighting. Yeah that goalkeeper got a big ban at the time
15:37 i would have sent the player or manager off for saying "oi ref get a proper job" because for me that comes under charge code S6 Use of offensive, insulting or abusive language and i think its insulting. but as he has already been sent off i would just add it to the report.
He was a nightmare that game. Got sent off and still continued. I remember it going on the report
bro really slapped him smh
Silly billies : little willies.
I am from portsmouth and completely neutral but looking back at some of your games when you ref your mates you are so bias it is unreal. In the cup game did you brief them to dive every time they were tapped so you could give a foul? If I was the other team i would have walked 5 minutes before time.
Who are my “mates”?
The one you say is your mate and claim that you are unbiased because you booked him. You show all the fouls from one side. If that is not bias then what is. How you reffed that match is bewildering. THAT MATE...
@stevep9221 I forgot I get a winners medal if they won 👍🏽
@@RefsWorld I would have hoped you got 2. You would have deserved them. 👍 Hay... You do a good job in difficult circumstances and I am not cool headed or man enough to to do it and I was a Royal marine!
@stevep9221 3 actually (MOTM) 😂
Thank you
A yellow card for that last tackle, lol.
Are you not cautioning there?
@@RefsWorld : Mate, I would have given him a straight feckin red for that leg breaker, last minute or not.
That's why I was laughing.
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t that bad looking back at the players reactions. Could’ve been 6 red cards 😂
Man. 20 minutes in I'd just say early dinner for me. That's not a match anymore. I don't like adult men's leagues. I'm my experiences, a bunch of had beens living through their fantasies. I like high schools. The schools themselves don't accept the behavior and would have prevented it before me even needing to step in
The ref should of abandoned the game it’s not going to get any better
Great advert for the game.... you should have abandoned the match at that point
I agree. I was so inexperienced and probably slightly hesitant to abandon the match
Game should’ve been abandoned. End of,
You did crap, game should have been abandoned, you lost control
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Anyone can clearly see that happened at random and before or after was controlled