Second thing worth mentioning: if you have relied on your ISP to handle your coax up until now, your outlets may not be connected at the common point. If you are pulling your hair out troubleshooting why you're not getting a connection, check your "cable box" on the outside of your home where the line comes in and you may find all your other outlets unplugged. This is to prevent problems from splits that Lon discussed in the video. If you only have one device (your internet modem, no TV), your ISP likely opted to bypass everything else and just get that one cable outlet working with a good signal and zero/minimal splits.
Been using moca off and on since 2009. It's been a life saver for numerous dead spots that even new mesh systems have not been able to resolve! Great info and tech!!
One thing worth mentioning is that your existing cable modem from your ISP may already be acting as a MoCA gateway. You could either leverage this and bypass the need for the "main" one by the modem, or consider that if you want to use your own separate MoCA hardware, you may need to put a MoCA filter behind your modem to avoid having two conflicting gateways/networks
Great point! For those reading, be sure to also check what version of MoCA is supported by your gateway if you go that approach. My current XB8 gateway only supports MoCA 2.0 according to the user manual, but at least I know what to expect.
MoCA worked perfectly for me, in an especially demanding situation. We have 2 completely separate houses on the same property, but they share a single cable system. The MoCA boxes I was using were able to send the Internet signal from the modem in the main house through the coax cable to a receiver in the cottage. The MoCA boxes always functioned without a glitch, and they enabled us to save money each month on the bill from our Internet Service Provider. Those savings paid for the purchase price of the MoCA boxes very quickly, and we continued to save money each month for several more years using this system.
I am in the same situation but am a little confused, so I live on my parents property they are getting fiber internet Currently I am getting satellite tv from their house, I ran a coax cable from there house to mine and that’s approximately 150-200 feet away So in theory I should be able to hook the moca up from there router to the coax and hook the coax up to another moca and connect it to my router and have Wi-Fi at both places?
@@100content9 I believe that should work for you. However, when choosing which MoCA boxes to buy you will need to make sure that they are NOT transmitting on the same frequency as your satellite TV system. The MoCA boxes will interfere with your satellite TV system if they are attempting to transmit a signal at the same frequency.
Thank you for your continued coverage of this technology. Some of us--renters in the United States, for instance--just can't re-wire our homes, even if we wanted to. But there's a really good chance there's a coax connection wherever you want an ethernet wire to emerge from the wall. And especially for non-enthusiasts and those who don't even have access to 1 gigabit internet service, 2.5GbE is more than enough. 10GbE internal wiring is excellent to have but absolutely overkill for most home users, especially vs. the expense (and again, that assumes you even have permission to re-wire your home).
I have to thank you for your coverage of this Lon. I wouldn’t know about it if it wasn’t for you and it’s truly been a lifesaver. MoCA is essentially the only thing I’ve ever bought that has been 100% zero compromises. I set it up day one (about 4 years ago) and haven’t touched it even once since. Truly one of the few products that I would gladly pay many times over for.
MoCa has worked fantastically well in my home. Basically, our full gigabit service to the furthest corner of our home. I'd had zero luck with powerline before, even in the same room.
I really appreciate how your channel covers technology that doesn't get as much of a spotlight as it should. You cover the weird stuff that most people ignore, and you've really helped me solve a number of issues over the years.
I've been using the same ActionTek MOCA units since 2017, and they still work perfectly. I love being able to get gigabit ethernet in every room of my house that has a coax cable jack. Looks like ActionTek is now called ScreenBeam (?). I am a bit envious of your internet speed... I'm getting 935Mbps down and 942Mbps up on my AT&T fiber in OKC.
I love moca. Learned about it from you when we moved into our house 2 years ago it allowed me to get the network up and running quickly. Wired back haul to mesh routers, wired connection for tv streaming boxes. Wired connection for work and gaming PCs. And then i could slowly learn how to terminate all the cat5e phone jacks to rj45 and ran ethernet to the entertainment stand myself. Now i have no use for moca but they were critical in not having to rush the wiring work.
I bought the Actiontek kit based on your videos back in ....2017? I've since moved and didn't think I would still need it, but since my mom's Fire TV stick was having a hard time connecting I set it back up and had no issues since.
Before I had a TiVo that could do MoCa natively, I used a set of cheap (less than $20 for a 2 pack!) DECA converters to use a segment of unused coax to connect a TiVo mini to a base model Roamio. I bring this up to highlight that, even if you don't have cable or cable TV service, you can certainly reuse the coax that exists in your house.
The MOCA filter and the compatible splitters are really important. They are also cheap and readily available on Amazon (I use the same brand you demonstrated, manufactured locally). The connection that it gives is REALLY stable, and I have never needed to power cycle the MOCA boxes. I did try powerline adapters, and can tell you they are typically useless unless you like dialup speeds. My home office is at the exact opposite end of the house and on the second floor, and everything just works. Upgraded last year to 2.5 ethernet when the switch prices dropped dramatically, still just as reliable as when I first tried MOCA (100 megabit days). Really, if you have coax already run, don't bother running ethernet cables, you will be happy with MOCA.
I'm so glad I get the chance to be first in the comments on this one. ALL the Gocoax units have a big bug where they disconnect for 10-30 seconds at a time. Messages about this are abundant on their support forum and they've gone unanswered for over 2 years. My entire Moca network is affected. I see this issue with my Steam Link, which completely falls on its face because it can't buffer ahead like streaming video, and also in my office where I need to maintain a VPN connection for remote work. I would love you you to test this and help shine a light on Gocoax and their substandard support.
I've been using a pair of GoCoax adapters for over 3 years now and have never experienced this disconnection bug you're describing. Maybe I've just been lucky, or maybe just you and everyone else who have been experiencing this issue are the ones who've been speaking up while those of us with seemingly non-buggy hardware haven't had a reason to. The fact that people have had an issue like this for years now without a fix does make me suddenly leery about buying more GoCoax adapters should I ever need to add to my own network.
My experience with the 1 GBE version of the gocoax adapters at least has been flawless and they have never gone down. Have you tried updating the firmware on them? I also have my adapters connected directly with no splitters so maybe that's something to look at as well.
@@LonSeidman Hi Lon - I replied to this comment yesterday, but I think it may have been marked as spam since it contained links. I sent you an email with all the details, so please check your spam.
Only one thing to add... MoCA has 2 different devices. 1 is make for cable like what Lon showed and there is one for satellite. If you have that then get the one for the satellite because it will not work if you have the one made for cable. Great job Lon. I watch you a lot. 😊
Most Moca adapters can be configured between different bands. They all default to Extended Band-D which is for what LON is describing but most of them can be configured in the settings to Band-E which runs between 400-700 mhz which will coexist with Satellite on the same coax
I have been researching for a week now and made a lot of rabbit holes of information your video was exactly what I was looking for! You got a like and a subscribe for such high level content. Thank you for sharing the knowledge!
I saw your last video on MoCA and i was looking for something like it, but for some reason both MoCA of Translite and goCoax are extremely expensive in India a single Unit costs 28115 INR, while I got all 4 rooms duplex house connect across Fiber SC/APC LAN , including 10 port Fiber Switch and all Fiber to Ethernet converter for 22082 INR including service charges for installation.
When you showed the coax splitters at 8:40 or so, you said that you could use, "...any splitter that supported up to 2.3GHz". But your 8 port main one only shows going up to 2000Mhz". Does that mean 2.0GHz (and not 2.3GHz) is sufficient? Also, while it's probably not affecting your coax lines, best practice for an unused coax output is to put a 75ohm terminating resistor on it. But useful video!
Thanks for the video. This is great tech and a good refresher before i setup in my home. At about the 4:51 mark when showing your splitter, i realized that you can probably improve your internet connection. Look into picking up an offset splitter or mix and match as needed to send more of the signal to your modem and Host cable box. And cap off that un-used out port (you might be getting ingress there). IF your using a cable modem that is. Sorry if i missed that if so.
There are also coax splitters that have a MoCA filter built in, my splitter provided by the cable company, comes with one. Usually it says on the splitter that it is MoCA compliant and has the filter. if it doesn't then just look up the model manual or the site for the provider of the splitter. just as an aside Xfinity, at least in the eastern PA region, their cable/dvr boxes i believe run on MoCA. i think this because i see them when i look at the MoCA diag on my modem, i still don't understand how the tv doesn't go out when we have a service outage for the internet though :shrug: probably black magic
We have been using MoCo for a few years now and it has worked great! I did us a Klein Tools VDV512-101 Explorer 2 Coax Tester Kit that I purchased from Amazon to assist with the setup.
@lon, can you also please touch on moca network security. It’s my understanding that all moca devices on the network must have security enabled, otherwise none of them will work. This is an important concept to understand because lots of cable operators (and others, TiVo, etc) are also using moca to distribute their TV service through out your house. For example, in my home, we have Comcast (like you, for limited TV service as we mostly stream, but X1 TV is included) and this means we also have two X1 TV boxes on the coax. I’m also using three gocoax moca adapters… one 2.5g adapter (M2500C) along side my router (UDM SE) and two gigabit adapters (older WM-803s) in the attic and a bedroom. I’m not able to enable “moca network security” on the gocoax adapters because they also pick up the X1 TV boxes on the coax which I of course have zero control over and Comcast does not use any moca security. This makes it all the more important to have that moca filter on Comcast’s ingress into my home, which I do have. I think this is an important thing to point out because a lot of people will be tempted to enable the network security on the moca adapters, but then they may find that they don’t get a moca link at all without knowing why (hint: it’s probably because your TV service is using moca on the same coax without any security). Also, I now have a question which maybe you (or a knowledgeable viewer) can help me understand. In a couple months Comcast is upgrading our service (both internet and TV) to being delivered over fiber (EPON NOT RFoG). They’re going to be pulling FIBER into our home and connecting it to an ONT and then into one of their XB7 (or XB8) gateways. This will get our internet, but they also use this same gateway to BACKFEED X1 TV service onto the existing coax in our home so the X1 TV boxes will continue to work. Obviously with this setup I have no way to “install a moca filter” on Comcast’s ingress since it’s coming in via fiber. Do I need to be concerned about my moca network leaking back out over Comcast’s network via their gateway and fiber?
They don't need to have security enabled but if you have one with it the others need it to communicate. I covered security in the individual reviews of the products.
@@LonSeidman I’ll have to go back and watch your other video, but what I was trying to express is that if anything aside from moca adapters is sharing the coaxial network… all of the devices (both moca adapters and potentially cable boxes, etc) also have to have security enabled… otherwise the moca adapters (at least gocoax) will not link.
I have gocoax MoCa adapters and they are stable. Mine have been running for over two years without reboot. They work in Europe with a plug adapter. The adapters are way better than good enough!
Lon, thanks for the info. I just bought and installed a pair of Hitron MOCA 2.5 adapters as the backbone/backhaul of a Google Mesh set up. The speed at my weak spot went from 3 Mbps to 50-70 Mbps. The coax has inaccessible splitters in the walls so thankfully it worked!
@@LonSeidmanYes it is. I still need to do some tweaking. It's a 400 Mbps service, so somewhere I'm losing speed. Might be splitters in the wall which I can't access, or the Mesh WiFi is just not that good.
Love using moca to extend my network, though I could never get 2.5g home networking functioning between and my PC and NAS. A little over a month of back and forth with goCoax, they ended up refunding the adapters for me. Back to regular gigabit moca until I get fiber or Cat7 run thru the attic.
@@brettbecker8087 Yeah as long as all the coax cables are connected to one of these with a splitter, i really recommend using a bit more then gigabit then
I have the latest 2.5Gb ones but the latency is about 9ms. 2ms would be much preferable but not my experience. I have a 2Gb internet connection but have never seen anything close to that at the receiving end, maybe 1.3Gb at best.
Great video. Just a bit confused and here it goes... Coax coming into house gets filter and plugs into a splitter IN side. Then on the splitter OUT side, I connect one Coax to my modem and the Ethernet OUT on my Modem goes into the WAN on my Router? Then the other Coax on the splitter OUT connects to a MOCA box which then I take the Ethernet port on the Moca and plug that into my LAN port on my Router? And essentially I can use more MOCA devices where Coax comes to other parts of the house and then use the Ethernet out and plug into my Xbox, Smart TVs, etc?? Am I missing something??
Not sure how the ISP signal gets processed with the MOCA box. Do you have just a coax from the street to the MOCA box? Or is there a ISP cable modem needed in between. Need more info...
It doesn’t. As stated the cable modem operates on different frequencies so they can co- exist on the same wire. So signal is processed by the cable modem as usual, goes to Ethernet and then back out on moca frequencies.
I'm rather lucky, looking into this, insofar that I have cable throughout my apartment, but the entire country has been updated to fiber and the cable infrastructure is now being turned off by the company which owns it... Means in my home, I'm about to have an entire network of dark coax wiring. Just disconnect the cable coming from the street and I have an entirely closed loop for home networking already. Love it.
I don't have fiber. I have the ISP's cable modem/router connected to the coax entering my home. There may be a filter on the cable input as well, not sure. Question: do I need to split the incoming coax between the coax input on the cable modem and the MoCA box?
Question: If we want to connect significant distances it is more profitable to use antenna cable with moca technology? Or is it better to use ethernet or fiber optic cable? What is the maximum range of moca one one cable without a splitter along the way ?
Great interesting video, but I recently switched to a T-Mobile fixed 5G connection, along with a TP-Link Deco 4 base mesh WiFi setup that gives me 2 1 Gigabit ethernet ports at each base(I lose one on the main base connecting to my T-Mobile gateway), and I honestly could not be happier, as it cut my internet bill in 1/2 from Atlantic Broadband cable, while still giving me plenty of speed, even over the internal mesh setup.
Question: I have Cox panoramic and the connection coming from outside is coax. I only have internet (no tv)1G and trying to add a moca adapter to each room and have Internet in other rooms using the existing coax. Do I plug internet coax coming from cox into the gocoax adapter and then Ethernet from my gocoax to my cox panoramic? And ignore (not use) the coax in- connection of the cox panoramic?
One thing you should do is get them from a place with a good return policy. The thing you want to do is test them while you can still return them. Sadly many stores have a 14 day return policy so that might not be enough time to have a problem show up.
Glad i found this video, was planning on re-wire the house i knew this channel will have the solution. Will everything be in the same network (wifi and wired) of my router after connecting to moca?
Gday Lon one mistake in ur wiring of the moca device in ur comms closet..... U should be using a 2 port Diplexer for the incoming street cable and the Moca cable device and the output of the diplexer goes into the input of ur splitter and yes make sure the diplexer goes up to 2300Mhz.
@@pcm1ke YOU have no clue on how MATV networks are constructed by that reply, a splitter has 1 input not 2, u can NOT use an output on a splitter as an Input. WAKE UP! A diplexer is required to do the job properly and gain back the db's lost.
great video. Quick question. I have an xFinity modem in the house but also have a Coaxile line going from the cable box (Demarc) to an inlaw suite in a separate building on the property. Can I just put the MoCA device on teh Coaxile drop in the inlaw suite and then plug an Ethernet WIFI mesh to it or do I need to also out a MoCA device at the cable box?
The first year I used MoCA was great until lightning hit the coax cable wires (I guess?) and fried anything attached with ethernet and HDMI. MoCA adapters, multiple computers, game consoles, and TVs, all destroyed. Surge protectors in the house and other electronics were fine. Also when Spectrum came to the house to investigate the suspected lightning hit (which they deny) they pulled out my MoCA filter and splitters and said the MoCA box isn't allowed on their wiring. I had to argue with the guy and made him call home office to verify they are legal to use on their existing lines and he put back the MoCA filter. Though the BAMF splitters he claimed were 'cheap trash' and replaced them all with Spectrum authorized ones.
Just fyi for the future Some big battery backup UPS devices have ports for ethernet and coax cables to hopefully prevent lightning from destroying everything in your home.
@@ananamusly I was looking into that (after the fact) and I read on a forum not to add something like that onto the coax because it could introduce line noise which would mess with MoCA. But good info, I'll continue reading up about that.
I'm a cable tech (not with Spectrum) and they don't wanna confirm the lightning strike because your coax connection to your home should have been grounded and this should not have happened, making them financially liable for replacing all that stuff that was damaged. Get on 'em about it!
@@foxglove9 Yes, it could introduce noise. May or may not be enough noise to cause problems. But per my other comment, it shouldn't actually be necessary because your main connection to the house from the pole was supposed to be grounded specifically to prevent what happened to you
@@kusucks991 Good advice. Unfortunately it's been almost a year already since it happened. I sent a rep from the company a photo of the lousy wiring on the side of the house with loose wires and boxes just dangling a foot away from the house. I'm sure that contributed to the lightning jumping to the coax. I don't own the house or am the main account holder, so it would be tricky at this point to take further action. But I'll look into it, thanks!
MoCa worked great for me when I was using a TiVo Roamio with 4 TiVo Mini boxes, I ran the coaxial myself to the five locations with no splits except for the one at the modem. Though I'm not currently using it, I can imagine that with more and more ATSC 3.0 devices coming to the market, someone will incorporate MoCa at some point into a device.
Hi Lon. Thanks for your introduction to MOCA (at least to me)., It would help if you provide a connection graph . I do have coax running al over home and would like to extend internet to places I currently cant. Also, do these work for 10, 2.5 Gb networking?. Thanks again
I don’t have a router. My ONT plugs right into my mesh router. How would I set up MoCA in this case? Also, what ever happened to the upcoming MoCA 3.0?
dude... wait, 2Gbps internet speeds??? what? Germany is far behind those speeds. Oh and by the way, excellent video, you explained things clearly and with good examples too, very very well done :)
great video. I'm think about doing this. My one concern is I like to have my router (a Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro) manage IPs for all my ethernet devices. You said the main MOCA box at the line in acts as a bridge. So lets say I have 2 MOCA outlets to 2 PCs and I want my router to assign a fixed IP to each one can I do that trhough my own router? Or is the MOCA bridge doing it's own IP assingment?
I have a question about @0:13 as it says it works exceptionally close to ethernet. From my new install and testing, the latency seems not close at all (0.4ms ethernet vs 3.5ms MoCA) and it's a 900% increase in latency. This matches up to the MoCA specs, right? How is this close to ethernet?
Thanks so much for this video! MOCA is new to me and figuring out the whole setup was confusing to me. This video definitely helped provide some clarity. One question - my router (gigabit internet hub) has MOCA built-in and there is a coaxial input in the back. Am I correct in saying that I only need one moca adapter then as I don’t need another to serve as a bridge since the router is acting as one? If so, would I just need to run a coax cable to the coax input on the back of the router and then the other end of the cable to the “out” of the splitter? Thanks so much for your help!
What’s the procedure for when you have a coaxial male cable coming up from the floor instead of a port? This is an old house built in the 50s with old cable running downstairs to a splitter, then out to a junction box. In theory would you just connect the coax directly into the MoCA upstairs? Assuming the splitter is enough to handle higher frequencies. This one is pretty old with no MhZ indicated and was most likely for TV.
Hello. I’m a PC gamer and I currently have “ 1gig “ internet service via coax to a router with a Ethernet cable from the router to my PC and with my speed test I’m only getting around 600-750mbps. Not even close to what I’m paying for!! If I use one of these and directly wire my PC from the wall plate through this device and a splitter to my router so the rest of the house can still have wifi will my speed increase and help my in game ping?
My internet provider installed a WiFi modem. It has a coax port on the back labelled "MOCA". I'm thinking this is a modem/MOCA adapter. Can i just plug this into a coax port on the wall and then connect all the coax lines in the house with a splitter? In this case, do I need to buy a MOCA adapter at all?
Very helpful video. I have TiVo and am trying to connect a TiVo mini that is in my media room to my system and I need a MoCA connection so it sees my primary TiVo unit in my master bedroom. My question pertains to the first goCoax box you show that's connected to your main cable input box. It has a red ethernet line running from that box. To where does that red line go? To your cable modem??
For clarification, I cut my cable several years ago. The only thing I now have is an over the air HDTV antenna that connects to a main powered splitter box in my basement. From there, I split off to cable connectors in every bedroom. I also have high speed wifi (1000 Mbps), powered by AT&T Fiber. I purchased a TiVo Bridge unit as well as a MoCA POE fliter, but the directions on how to connect everything was just too confusing, and I'm not one intimidated by technology.
Why do other instructions show it hooked up from in, then to the filter and a splitter and back into another coax outlet. (2) in one room obviously in this case. And then into the modem? What is the point of having it run back into the second one? Also, if you’re doing this the outside hookup way are you changing the splitter so you can put the filter there instead of in the room? Every video shows options but they are ALL vague or too broad.
I have no experience with MoCA, but generally speaking allcoax splitter should have terminators on any unused outputs. I'm terminated outfits will cause a mismatch and also eakage. Mismatches cause signals be reflected. If the signal strong enough to get by with it but you shouldn't have unterminated splitter outputs.
One thing that's alluded to but not expressly mentioned or made clear: can you have more than a pair of MoCA boxes? Do I need a pair on every coax run or can I just have multiple working through one coax splitter without the need for a switch/hub? Are there any limitations?
Sorry, I left this comment on the older thread. I want to use a Translite 2.5 on the device side for TV/PS5 and is it okay to use a different manufacturer on the router side or should I use the same manufacturer for both sides?
I wonder if MOCA could be used to get the LAN output from an HDHomeRun (HDHR) tuner to the house network? If you have a typical HDHR tuner setup, the HDHR unit is located near (hopefully) where the roof antenna coax comes in. It also needs to be hardwired to your router LAN Port which may not be anywhere near where the HDHR unit is located. Could one use MOCA as a bridge to get the HDHR communications to/from one's router?
Yes I was experimenting with this when I was playing with an attic antenna. I had a splitter up there and was using that to bridge the HDHomerun to the rest of the network.
Yes. They work as a Ethernet to MoCA bridge. So you'll need one at the HDHR and one at the router. But, if you already have coax running from where your antenna is to where your router is, then just move the HDHR to the router.
How much difference does it make to the MOCA signal if it goes through RG59 versus RG6? The cheap essobee that wired my new house for cable when we built in 94 used RG59. I didn't notice he did it because I was busy making them reset crooked windows and regrade poorly graded lawns and that's what he was counting on-the joys of home contruction. It's been alright I guess for cable all these years but we all know RG6 would have been even better. I now have no cable TV and only have internet to a modem/router and I stream to all of the TVs via WIFI to Roku and the RG59 is just in the wall being obsolete. I need a new router and was thinking of using the coax to backhaul the internet signal to mesh routers around the house.
In a 2.5 moca setup for mesh wired backhaul, does the main router (xe75pro), cable modem, and moca adapter have to be directly connected in the same room? I have only one moca plus amplifier in the home.
I am about to get Windstream Kinetic fiber optic intenet in my home but I don't want to rent their Actiontec T3200 hub. What type of modems should I be looking to purchase to pair with my TP-Link AX3000 router? A Windstream rep suggested the Arris Surfboard but it's a cable modem and since the Actiontec T3200 does not have a coax port, I'm assuming it won't work. This led to the MoCa adapters but I don't know if that is the right answer either.
Do i still need a modem if I connect the moca directly to the coax cable coming out of my wall then connect the ethernet cable from the moca to the router? In other words, can I replace my router with Moca?
I am hoping you can help me out. I purchased Hitron moca adapters so I can extend my network and backfeed my Google WiFi pods. I have tried several configurations, yet I have not been successful in connecting. Even though the moca adapters have all the lights lit which means they are speaking to each other, my Google Wifi doesn't seem to work nor am I able to connect if I try using an ethernet connection. Can you provide some suggestions for setting my situation which includes a Netgear modem (no wifi) and separate Google WiFi pods. Thanks for your help in advance.
Now the only moca stanard that works with direct regular is 1.1 direct adapters or the motorolla ones direct has there own moca adapters they use that are in spec standard adapters interfere with the direct system because they operator from band 2-10017 I do use those only 100 meg though sad part
Hello I have a router in the basement with coax going up to the 2nd floor to a tv .can I just add 1 of the translite boxes there or do I need 1 at each end (Comcast ISP)
Not totally sure if this will work once high split comes along with DOCSIS 4.0. Symmetrical speeds are coming within the next 3 years to the majority of cable ISPs.
Comcast is doing FDX for DOCSIS 4.0 and claims that everything will be kept under the 1 Ghz umbrella. (At least to start) Spectrum is doing ESD- Extended Spectrum DOCSIS up to 1.8 Ghz, so I can MoCA adapters interfering in that case.
Lon, I hope you can help me solve an issue I’m having. I am trying to utilize MoCA devices in my home network involving a unique situation. The MoCA devices work great for part of my home use-case. I have succeeded with the one MoCA connection to my bedroom. The family room connection works also, but here is my issue… I am looking for a MoCA device in this room that also has PoE (Power over Ethernet) feature built into the Ethernet output of the MoCA box that will also provide power to two smart home, ethernet enabled Hub devices. This would enable me to remove the need for separate power cords on the Hubs. My goal is take advantage of MoCA tech to achieve this goal. Can you provide any tip as to whether such a device exists? Thanks in advance.
Let's say I have the internet from the router of the internet company and installed this MOCA system. Will the second router (any brand) extend the same SSID?
MoCA does not work over the coax in my home when it the MoCA and cable ISP frequencies share the cable runs, with or without a MoCa filter at the cable drop. I have gotten around it by physically separating the coax cables I use for MoCa from the one cable that feeds my cable modem. My ISP is Spectrum Cable using a Docsis 3.1 cable modem supplied by Spectrum. It’s taken me over a month of trial and error to get to this working solution. It almost wasn’t worth it.
Will MoCA help my wireless Orbi satellites? Have 3 satellites plus the main Orbi router struggling with wireless. Really hurting in a 4-floor townhouse and need good speeds on floors one and 4. Floor 1 is OK as the modem and router are there, but floor 4 is a challenge. Can the satellites be connected and boosted via MoCA?
Yes absolutely just imagine the coax port in any room as an ethernet cable you never knew you had. It works fantastic. Watch a few more videos on how to set it up and get cracking!
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I have learned more about Moca from this video than my 4 hours of internet research on the topic.
Second thing worth mentioning: if you have relied on your ISP to handle your coax up until now, your outlets may not be connected at the common point. If you are pulling your hair out troubleshooting why you're not getting a connection, check your "cable box" on the outside of your home where the line comes in and you may find all your other outlets unplugged. This is to prevent problems from splits that Lon discussed in the video. If you only have one device (your internet modem, no TV), your ISP likely opted to bypass everything else and just get that one cable outlet working with a good signal and zero/minimal splits.
Been using moca off and on since 2009. It's been a life saver for numerous dead spots that even new mesh systems have not been able to resolve! Great info and tech!!
One thing worth mentioning is that your existing cable modem from your ISP may already be acting as a MoCA gateway. You could either leverage this and bypass the need for the "main" one by the modem, or consider that if you want to use your own separate MoCA hardware, you may need to put a MoCA filter behind your modem to avoid having two conflicting gateways/networks
Great point! For those reading, be sure to also check what version of MoCA is supported by your gateway if you go that approach. My current XB8 gateway only supports MoCA 2.0 according to the user manual, but at least I know what to expect.
I wish I could just get a diagram somewhere to show all of these connections. I'm so much more of a visual learner.
So if my cable router from Comcast has moca I don’t need and extra one of these boxes just the box for the room I need it at ?
@@cryptocollector2967Correct. I think you need to go into the router and turn it on though.
@@cryptocollector2967you do since these boxes make their own internet if you do that, wich means you cant connect to devices connected on your network
MoCA worked perfectly for me, in an especially demanding situation. We have 2 completely separate houses on the same property, but they share a single cable system. The MoCA boxes I was using were able to send the Internet signal from the modem in the main house through the coax cable to a receiver in the cottage. The MoCA boxes always functioned without a glitch, and they enabled us to save money each month on the bill from our Internet Service Provider. Those savings paid for the purchase price of the MoCA boxes very quickly, and we continued to save money each month for several more years using this system.
I am in the same situation but am a little confused, so I live on my parents property they are getting fiber internet
Currently I am getting satellite tv from their house, I ran a coax cable from there house to mine and that’s approximately 150-200 feet away
So in theory I should be able to hook the moca up from there router to the coax and hook the coax up to another moca and connect it to my router and have Wi-Fi at both places?
@@100content9 I believe that should work for you. However, when choosing which MoCA boxes to buy you will need to make sure that they are NOT transmitting on the same frequency as your satellite TV system. The MoCA boxes will interfere with your satellite TV system if they are attempting to transmit a signal at the same frequency.
Thank you for your continued coverage of this technology.
Some of us--renters in the United States, for instance--just can't re-wire our homes, even if we wanted to. But there's a really good chance there's a coax connection wherever you want an ethernet wire to emerge from the wall.
And especially for non-enthusiasts and those who don't even have access to 1 gigabit internet service, 2.5GbE is more than enough. 10GbE internal wiring is excellent to have but absolutely overkill for most home users, especially vs. the expense (and again, that assumes you even have permission to re-wire your home).
I have to thank you for your coverage of this Lon. I wouldn’t know about it if it wasn’t for you and it’s truly been a lifesaver. MoCA is essentially the only thing I’ve ever bought that has been 100% zero compromises. I set it up day one (about 4 years ago) and haven’t touched it even once since. Truly one of the few products that I would gladly pay many times over for.
There are few technologies that work as well as this one does!
MoCa has worked fantastically well in my home. Basically, our full gigabit service to the furthest corner of our home. I'd had zero luck with powerline before, even in the same room.
I really appreciate how your channel covers technology that doesn't get as much of a spotlight as it should. You cover the weird stuff that most people ignore, and you've really helped me solve a number of issues over the years.
I've been using the same ActionTek MOCA units since 2017, and they still work perfectly. I love being able to get gigabit ethernet in every room of my house that has a coax cable jack. Looks like ActionTek is now called ScreenBeam (?). I am a bit envious of your internet speed... I'm getting 935Mbps down and 942Mbps up on my AT&T fiber in OKC.
I love moca. Learned about it from you when we moved into our house 2 years ago it allowed me to get the network up and running quickly. Wired back haul to mesh routers, wired connection for tv streaming boxes. Wired connection for work and gaming PCs. And then i could slowly learn how to terminate all the cat5e phone jacks to rj45 and ran ethernet to the entertainment stand myself. Now i have no use for moca but they were critical in not having to rush the wiring work.
I bought the Actiontek kit based on your videos back in ....2017? I've since moved and didn't think I would still need it, but since my mom's Fire TV stick was having a hard time connecting I set it back up and had no issues since.
I finally understood what Moca is and set it up thanks to you! This totally transformed my downstairs internet access. Im so happy!
Glad I could help! It's really great technology.
Before I had a TiVo that could do MoCa natively, I used a set of cheap (less than $20 for a 2 pack!) DECA converters to use a segment of unused coax to connect a TiVo mini to a base model Roamio. I bring this up to highlight that, even if you don't have cable or cable TV service, you can certainly reuse the coax that exists in your house.
Have had great luck with MoCA! The only thing I have noticed is that the latency is much longer than CAT 6. I still get great bandwidth, though!
The MOCA filter and the compatible splitters are really important. They are also cheap and readily available on Amazon (I use the same brand you demonstrated, manufactured locally). The connection that it gives is REALLY stable, and I have never needed to power cycle the MOCA boxes. I did try powerline adapters, and can tell you they are typically useless unless you like dialup speeds. My home office is at the exact opposite end of the house and on the second floor, and everything just works. Upgraded last year to 2.5 ethernet when the switch prices dropped dramatically, still just as reliable as when I first tried MOCA (100 megabit days). Really, if you have coax already run, don't bother running ethernet cables, you will be happy with MOCA.
I'm so glad I get the chance to be first in the comments on this one. ALL the Gocoax units have a big bug where they disconnect for 10-30 seconds at a time. Messages about this are abundant on their support forum and they've gone unanswered for over 2 years. My entire Moca network is affected. I see this issue with my Steam Link, which completely falls on its face because it can't buffer ahead like streaming video, and also in my office where I need to maintain a VPN connection for remote work.
I would love you you to test this and help shine a light on Gocoax and their substandard support.
Can you send me some links to the support forum for reference?
I've been using a pair of GoCoax adapters for over 3 years now and have never experienced this disconnection bug you're describing. Maybe I've just been lucky, or maybe just you and everyone else who have been experiencing this issue are the ones who've been speaking up while those of us with seemingly non-buggy hardware haven't had a reason to. The fact that people have had an issue like this for years now without a fix does make me suddenly leery about buying more GoCoax adapters should I ever need to add to my own network.
I have 5 of these gocoax devices in my house, no problems what so ever.
My experience with the 1 GBE version of the gocoax adapters at least has been flawless and they have never gone down. Have you tried updating the firmware on them? I also have my adapters connected directly with no splitters so maybe that's something to look at as well.
@@LonSeidman Hi Lon - I replied to this comment yesterday, but I think it may have been marked as spam since it contained links. I sent you an email with all the details, so please check your spam.
Only one thing to add... MoCA has 2 different devices. 1 is make for cable like what Lon showed and there is one for satellite. If you have that then get the one for the satellite because it will not work if you have the one made for cable. Great job Lon. I watch you a lot. 😊
Most Moca adapters can be configured between different bands. They all default to Extended Band-D which is for what LON is describing but most of them can be configured in the settings to Band-E which runs between 400-700 mhz which will coexist with Satellite on the same coax
The satellite specific one is called DECA. I think it tops out at 100 Mbps.
@pulpfxn Yes the early version were DECA, I had those years ago. But MOCA Band E is much better.
Thank you for covering this. I was just going to upgrade my current home setup so every mesh router can be plugged in hard wired backhaul.
I have been researching for a week now and made a lot of rabbit holes of information your video was exactly what I was looking for! You got a like and a subscribe for such high level content. Thank you for sharing the knowledge!
I saw your last video on MoCA and i was looking for something like it, but for some reason both MoCA of Translite and goCoax are extremely expensive in India a single Unit costs 28115 INR, while I got all 4 rooms duplex house connect across Fiber SC/APC LAN , including 10 port Fiber Switch and all Fiber to Ethernet converter for 22082 INR including service charges for installation.
Thank you for the effort in putting this together. Really helped me understand it. I have no experience with coax cables.
When you showed the coax splitters at 8:40 or so, you said that you could use, "...any splitter that supported up to 2.3GHz". But your 8 port main one only shows going up to 2000Mhz". Does that mean 2.0GHz (and not 2.3GHz) is sufficient?
Also, while it's probably not affecting your coax lines, best practice for an unused coax output is to put a 75ohm terminating resistor on it.
But useful video!
Thanks for the video. This is great tech and a good refresher before i setup in my home. At about the 4:51 mark when showing your splitter, i realized that you can probably improve your internet connection. Look into picking up an offset splitter or mix and match as needed to send more of the signal to your modem and Host cable box. And cap off that un-used out port (you might be getting ingress there). IF your using a cable modem that is. Sorry if i missed that if so.
Glad to see people are still using this tech! it's handy for some uses
There are also coax splitters that have a MoCA filter built in, my splitter provided by the cable company, comes with one. Usually it says on the splitter that it is MoCA compliant and has the filter. if it doesn't then just look up the model manual or the site for the provider of the splitter.
just as an aside Xfinity, at least in the eastern PA region, their cable/dvr boxes i believe run on MoCA. i think this because i see them when i look at the MoCA diag on my modem, i still don't understand how the tv doesn't go out when we have a service outage for the internet though :shrug: probably black magic
Neat topic! Unfortunately I've capped off and covered most of the cable outlets in my home.
Why
Drywall or a blank faceplate? The cable is still there, it's still usable.
We have been using MoCo for a few years now and it has worked great! I did us a Klein Tools VDV512-101 Explorer 2 Coax Tester Kit that I purchased from Amazon to assist with the setup.
No one cares what tool you used or where you purchased said tool from.
@@Gearrion Well, I am gathering data on how to set this up, and *do* care about what tools people use, and where they get them.
Glad to hear this - I’m looking at doing this to my house, and have yet to acquire the tools to do the job. Thanks!
@mipendorf Personally, I wung it. Screenshared the wired connection status to my phone over discord, then trial and error until it said connected.
great info as always. I plan to use as wired backhaul for Deco X20 around the house, to boost my WiFi and get other PC wired as well
Great detailed install Lon. Thanks!
@lon, can you also please touch on moca network security. It’s my understanding that all moca devices on the network must have security enabled, otherwise none of them will work. This is an important concept to understand because lots of cable operators (and others, TiVo, etc) are also using moca to distribute their TV service through out your house. For example, in my home, we have Comcast (like you, for limited TV service as we mostly stream, but X1 TV is included) and this means we also have two X1 TV boxes on the coax. I’m also using three gocoax moca adapters… one 2.5g adapter (M2500C) along side my router (UDM SE) and two gigabit adapters (older WM-803s) in the attic and a bedroom. I’m not able to enable “moca network security” on the gocoax adapters because they also pick up the X1 TV boxes on the coax which I of course have zero control over and Comcast does not use any moca security. This makes it all the more important to have that moca filter on Comcast’s ingress into my home, which I do have. I think this is an important thing to point out because a lot of people will be tempted to enable the network security on the moca adapters, but then they may find that they don’t get a moca link at all without knowing why (hint: it’s probably because your TV service is using moca on the same coax without any security).
Also, I now have a question which maybe you (or a knowledgeable viewer) can help me understand. In a couple months Comcast is upgrading our service (both internet and TV) to being delivered over fiber (EPON NOT RFoG). They’re going to be pulling FIBER into our home and connecting it to an ONT and then into one of their XB7 (or XB8) gateways. This will get our internet, but they also use this same gateway to BACKFEED X1 TV service onto the existing coax in our home so the X1 TV boxes will continue to work. Obviously with this setup I have no way to “install a moca filter” on Comcast’s ingress since it’s coming in via fiber. Do I need to be concerned about my moca network leaking back out over Comcast’s network via their gateway and fiber?
They don't need to have security enabled but if you have one with it the others need it to communicate. I covered security in the individual reviews of the products.
@@LonSeidman I’ll have to go back and watch your other video, but what I was trying to express is that if anything aside from moca adapters is sharing the coaxial network… all of the devices (both moca adapters and potentially cable boxes, etc) also have to have security enabled… otherwise the moca adapters (at least gocoax) will not link.
I first got Verizon FIOS installed in 2008 and their Gateways have always supported MoCA. Makes it dead simple to add WiFi extenders.
I've been getting old G1100 routers off of FB marketplace and craigslist and putting them into bridge mode to make them wifi extenders in my house.
I have gocoax MoCa adapters and they are stable. Mine have been running for over two years without reboot. They work in Europe with a plug adapter. The adapters are way better than good enough!
Agreed, rock solid stability but a 9ms latency penalty.
Lon, thanks for the info. I just bought and installed a pair of Hitron MOCA 2.5 adapters as the backbone/backhaul of a Google Mesh set up. The speed at my weak spot went from 3 Mbps to 50-70 Mbps. The coax has inaccessible splitters in the walls so thankfully it worked!
MOCA is amazingly effective isn't it?
@@LonSeidmanYes it is. I still need to do some tweaking. It's a 400 Mbps service, so somewhere I'm losing speed. Might be splitters in the wall which I can't access, or the Mesh WiFi is just not that good.
Bummer.... I vote old / weak hidden splitters as you mentioned.....
MoCA compatible splitters are not likely to have been originally installed
Love using moca to extend my network, though I could never get 2.5g home networking functioning between and my PC and NAS. A little over a month of back and forth with goCoax, they ended up refunding the adapters for me. Back to regular gigabit moca until I get fiber or Cat7 run thru the attic.
MoCA is a really great solution for apartments, to avoid all of the wireless interference.
Will this work for a 35 room apartment?
@@brettbecker8087 Yeah as long as all the coax cables are connected to one of these with a splitter, i really recommend using a bit more then gigabit then
I have the latest 2.5Gb ones but the latency is about 9ms. 2ms would be much preferable but not my experience. I have a 2Gb internet connection but have never seen anything close to that at the receiving end, maybe 1.3Gb at best.
Great video. Just a bit confused and here it goes...
Coax coming into house gets filter and plugs into a splitter IN side. Then on the splitter OUT side, I connect one Coax to my modem and the Ethernet OUT on my Modem goes into the WAN on my Router? Then the other Coax on the splitter OUT connects to a MOCA box which then I take the Ethernet port on the Moca and plug that into my LAN port on my Router? And essentially I can use more MOCA devices where Coax comes to other parts of the house and then use the Ethernet out and plug into my Xbox, Smart TVs, etc?? Am I missing something??
Not sure how the ISP signal gets processed with the MOCA box. Do you have just a coax from the street to the MOCA box? Or is there a ISP cable modem needed in between. Need more info...
It doesn’t. As stated the cable modem operates on different frequencies so they can co- exist on the same wire. So signal is processed by the cable modem as usual, goes to Ethernet and then back out on moca frequencies.
I'm rather lucky, looking into this, insofar that I have cable throughout my apartment, but the entire country has been updated to fiber and the cable infrastructure is now being turned off by the company which owns it...
Means in my home, I'm about to have an entire network of dark coax wiring. Just disconnect the cable coming from the street and I have an entirely closed loop for home networking already. Love it.
I don't have fiber. I have the ISP's cable modem/router connected to the coax entering my home. There may be a filter on the cable input as well, not sure. Question: do I need to split the incoming coax between the coax input on the cable modem and the MoCA box?
I used a MoCA compatible splitter because my MoCA adapters did not have the passthru
Question: If we want to connect significant distances it is more profitable to use antenna cable with moca technology? Or is it better to use ethernet or fiber optic cable? What is the maximum range of moca one one cable without a splitter along the way ?
Great interesting video, but I recently switched to a T-Mobile fixed 5G connection, along with a TP-Link Deco 4 base mesh WiFi setup that gives me 2 1 Gigabit ethernet ports at each base(I lose one on the main base connecting to my T-Mobile gateway), and I honestly could not be happier, as it cut my internet bill in 1/2 from Atlantic Broadband cable, while still giving me plenty of speed, even over the internal mesh setup.
This will work even if your cable service is disconnected as noted in the video.
very detailed info on the MOCA. Thanks for the video and review.
Question: I have Cox panoramic and the connection coming from outside is coax. I only have internet (no tv)1G and trying to add a moca adapter to each room and have Internet in other rooms using the existing coax. Do I plug internet coax coming from cox into the gocoax adapter and then Ethernet from my gocoax to my cox panoramic? And ignore (not use) the coax in- connection of the cox panoramic?
One thing you should do is get them from a place with a good return policy. The thing you want to do is test them while you can still return them. Sadly many stores have a 14 day return policy so that might not be enough time to have a problem show up.
Could you also go over Deca and Moca encryption?
Would you recommend using a powered splitter ??
If you need it (depending on distance, etc). Just make sure it's MOCA compatible.
Glad i found this video, was planning on re-wire the house i knew this channel will have the solution. Will everything be in the same network (wifi and wired) of my router after connecting to moca?
Yes it’ll function just like Ethernet
Gday Lon one mistake in ur wiring of the moca device in ur comms closet..... U should be using a 2 port Diplexer for the incoming street cable and the Moca cable device and the output of the diplexer goes into the input of ur splitter and yes make sure the diplexer goes up to 2300Mhz.
Why would you ever want to do that? The idea is for everything to coexist on a single coaxial network, not segment further.
@@pcm1ke YOU have no clue on how MATV networks are constructed by that reply, a splitter has 1 input not 2, u can NOT use an output on a splitter as an Input. WAKE UP! A diplexer is required to do the job properly and gain back the db's lost.
So this will also work with an Antenna system as well? I hope so as I cut the cord and have a few computers in my home.
I don't believe it'll play well with antenna broadcasts if they're on the same wire.
Have you found these MoCA devices cause RFI for Amateur Radio 1.8-148MHz ?
great video. Quick question. I have an xFinity modem in the house but also have a Coaxile line going from the cable box (Demarc) to an inlaw suite in a separate building on the property. Can I just put the MoCA device on teh Coaxile drop in the inlaw suite and then plug an Ethernet WIFI mesh to it or do I need to also out a MoCA device at the cable box?
The first year I used MoCA was great until lightning hit the coax cable wires (I guess?) and fried anything attached with ethernet and HDMI. MoCA adapters, multiple computers, game consoles, and TVs, all destroyed. Surge protectors in the house and other electronics were fine.
Also when Spectrum came to the house to investigate the suspected lightning hit (which they deny) they pulled out my MoCA filter and splitters and said the MoCA box isn't allowed on their wiring. I had to argue with the guy and made him call home office to verify they are legal to use on their existing lines and he put back the MoCA filter. Though the BAMF splitters he claimed were 'cheap trash' and replaced them all with Spectrum authorized ones.
Just fyi for the future Some big battery backup UPS devices have ports for ethernet and coax cables to hopefully prevent lightning from destroying everything in your home.
@@ananamusly I was looking into that (after the fact) and I read on a forum not to add something like that onto the coax because it could introduce line noise which would mess with MoCA. But good info, I'll continue reading up about that.
I'm a cable tech (not with Spectrum) and they don't wanna confirm the lightning strike because your coax connection to your home should have been grounded and this should not have happened, making them financially liable for replacing all that stuff that was damaged. Get on 'em about it!
@@foxglove9 Yes, it could introduce noise. May or may not be enough noise to cause problems. But per my other comment, it shouldn't actually be necessary because your main connection to the house from the pole was supposed to be grounded specifically to prevent what happened to you
@@kusucks991 Good advice. Unfortunately it's been almost a year already since it happened. I sent a rep from the company a photo of the lousy wiring on the side of the house with loose wires and boxes just dangling a foot away from the house. I'm sure that contributed to the lightning jumping to the coax. I don't own the house or am the main account holder, so it would be tricky at this point to take further action. But I'll look into it, thanks!
MoCa worked great for me when I was using a TiVo Roamio with 4 TiVo Mini boxes, I ran the coaxial myself to the five locations with no splits except for the one at the modem. Though I'm not currently using it, I can imagine that with more and more ATSC 3.0 devices coming to the market, someone will incorporate MoCa at some point into a device.
Thank you, you answered all of my questions.
Hi Lon. Thanks for your introduction to MOCA (at least to me)., It would help if you provide a connection graph . I do have coax running al over home and would like to extend internet to places I currently cant. Also, do these work for 10, 2.5 Gb networking?. Thanks again
asus has a 2.5 gig one might wanna check that out
Does this work with fiber? Like could I use some adapters and plug my fiber internet into coax cables
I don’t have a router. My ONT plugs right into my mesh router.
How would I set up MoCA in this case?
Also, what ever happened to the upcoming MoCA 3.0?
dude... wait, 2Gbps internet speeds??? what? Germany is far behind those speeds. Oh and by the way, excellent video, you explained things clearly and with good examples too, very very well done :)
great video. I'm think about doing this. My one concern is I like to have my router (a Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro) manage IPs for all my ethernet devices. You said the main MOCA box at the line in acts as a bridge. So lets say I have 2 MOCA outlets to 2 PCs and I want my router to assign a fixed IP to each one can I do that trhough my own router? Or is the MOCA bridge doing it's own IP assingment?
I have a question about @0:13 as it says it works exceptionally close to ethernet. From my new install and testing, the latency seems not close at all (0.4ms ethernet vs 3.5ms MoCA) and it's a 900% increase in latency. This matches up to the MoCA specs, right? How is this close to ethernet?
Did you run ethernet throughout your house?
Thanks so much for this video! MOCA is new to me and figuring out the whole setup was confusing to me. This video definitely helped provide some clarity.
One question - my router (gigabit internet hub) has MOCA built-in and there is a coaxial input in the back. Am I correct in saying that I only need one moca adapter then as I don’t need another to serve as a bridge since the router is acting as one?
If so, would I just need to run a coax cable to the coax input on the back of the router and then the other end of the cable to the “out” of the splitter?
Thanks so much for your help!
Yes if it has a moca port it may not need a second unit. But some carriers don’t enable it
Should MoCA be able of going thru 500ft of coax? What is the length limit for the coax?
What’s the procedure for when you have a coaxial male cable coming up from the floor instead of a port? This is an old house built in the 50s with old cable running downstairs to a splitter, then out to a junction box. In theory would you just connect the coax directly into the MoCA upstairs? Assuming the splitter is enough to handle higher frequencies. This one is pretty old with no MhZ indicated and was most likely for TV.
You could plug it directly in or attach another splitter to the wire coming up from the floor.
Hello. I’m a PC gamer and I currently have “ 1gig “ internet service via coax to a router with a Ethernet cable from the router to my PC and with my speed test I’m only getting around 600-750mbps. Not even close to what I’m paying for!! If I use one of these and directly wire my PC from the wall plate through this device and a splitter to my router so the rest of the house can still have wifi will my speed increase and help my in game ping?
My internet provider installed a WiFi modem. It has a coax port on the back labelled "MOCA". I'm thinking this is a modem/MOCA adapter. Can i just plug this into a coax port on the wall and then connect all the coax lines in the house with a splitter? In this case, do I need to buy a MOCA adapter at all?
What moca filter to use? Any recommendations??
Very helpful video. I have TiVo and am trying to connect a TiVo mini that is in my media room to my system and I need a MoCA connection so it sees my primary TiVo unit in my master bedroom. My question pertains to the first goCoax box you show that's connected to your main cable input box. It has a red ethernet line running from that box. To where does that red line go? To your cable modem??
For clarification, I cut my cable several years ago. The only thing I now have is an over the air HDTV antenna that connects to a main powered splitter box in my basement. From there, I split off to cable connectors in every bedroom. I also have high speed wifi (1000 Mbps), powered by AT&T Fiber. I purchased a TiVo Bridge unit as well as a MoCA POE fliter, but the directions on how to connect everything was just too confusing, and I'm not one intimidated by technology.
It's a bridge so to the router or another ethernet port on the network.
Why do other instructions show it hooked up from in, then to the filter and a splitter and back into another coax outlet. (2) in one room obviously in this case. And then into the modem? What is the point of having it run back into the second one? Also, if you’re doing this the outside hookup way are you changing the splitter so you can put the filter there instead of in the room? Every video shows options but they are ALL vague or too broad.
I have no experience with MoCA, but generally speaking allcoax splitter should have terminators on any unused outputs. I'm terminated outfits will cause a mismatch and also eakage. Mismatches cause signals be reflected. If the signal strong enough to get by with it but you shouldn't have unterminated splitter outputs.
One thing that's alluded to but not expressly mentioned or made clear: can you have more than a pair of MoCA boxes? Do I need a pair on every coax run or can I just have multiple working through one coax splitter without the need for a switch/hub? Are there any limitations?
you can have up to 16 on a single loop of coax - you just need one acting as the bridge.
Sorry, I left this comment on the older thread. I want to use a Translite 2.5 on the device side for TV/PS5 and is it okay to use a different manufacturer on the router side or should I use the same manufacturer for both sides?
I wonder if MOCA could be used to get the LAN output from an HDHomeRun (HDHR) tuner to the house network? If you have a typical HDHR tuner setup, the HDHR unit is located near (hopefully) where the roof antenna coax comes in. It also needs to be hardwired to your router LAN Port which may not be anywhere near where the HDHR unit is located. Could one use MOCA as a bridge to get the HDHR communications to/from one's router?
Yes I was experimenting with this when I was playing with an attic antenna. I had a splitter up there and was using that to bridge the HDHomerun to the rest of the network.
Yes. They work as a Ethernet to MoCA bridge. So you'll need one at the HDHR and one at the router.
But, if you already have coax running from where your antenna is to where your router is, then just move the HDHR to the router.
Yep that'll work great
How much difference does it make to the MOCA signal if it goes through RG59 versus RG6? The cheap essobee that wired my new house for cable when we built in 94 used RG59. I didn't notice he did it because I was busy making them reset crooked windows and regrade poorly graded lawns and that's what he was counting on-the joys of home contruction. It's been alright I guess for cable all these years but we all know RG6 would have been even better. I now have no cable TV and only have internet to a modem/router and I stream to all of the TVs via WIFI to Roku and the RG59 is just in the wall being obsolete. I need a new router and was thinking of using the coax to backhaul the internet signal to mesh routers around the house.
In a 2.5 moca setup for mesh wired backhaul, does the main router (xe75pro), cable modem, and moca adapter have to be directly connected in the same room? I have only one moca plus amplifier in the home.
Where did you get the Moca filter at?
Amazon
I am about to get Windstream Kinetic fiber optic intenet in my home but I don't want to rent their Actiontec T3200 hub. What type of modems should I be looking to purchase to pair with my TP-Link AX3000 router? A Windstream rep suggested the Arris Surfboard but it's a cable modem and since the Actiontec T3200 does not have a coax port, I'm assuming it won't work. This led to the MoCa adapters but I don't know if that is the right answer either.
Do i still need a modem if I connect the moca directly to the coax cable coming out of my wall then connect the ethernet cable from the moca to the router? In other words, can I replace my router with Moca?
I am hoping you can help me out. I purchased Hitron moca adapters so I can extend my network and backfeed my Google WiFi pods. I have tried several configurations, yet I have not been successful in connecting. Even though the moca adapters have all the lights lit which means they are speaking to each other, my Google Wifi doesn't seem to work nor am I able to connect if I try using an ethernet connection. Can you provide some suggestions for setting my situation which includes a Netgear modem (no wifi) and separate Google WiFi pods. Thanks for your help in advance.
Now the only moca stanard that works with direct regular is 1.1 direct adapters or the motorolla ones direct has there own moca adapters they use that are in spec standard adapters interfere with the direct system because they operator from band 2-10017 I do use those only 100 meg though sad part
Would it matter if I have a amplifer running to a tv antenna in part of the loop?
Hello I have a router in the basement with coax going up to the 2nd floor to a tv .can I just add 1 of the translite boxes there or do I need 1 at each end (Comcast ISP)
New net for my House MoCa !
what is the max length of coax cable between units?
Not totally sure if this will work once high split comes along with DOCSIS 4.0. Symmetrical speeds are coming within the next 3 years to the majority of cable ISPs.
Comcast is doing FDX for DOCSIS 4.0 and claims that everything will be kept under the 1 Ghz umbrella. (At least to start) Spectrum is doing ESD- Extended Spectrum DOCSIS up to 1.8 Ghz, so I can MoCA adapters interfering in that case.
@@Channel-iu7rn Comcast is mid split which is why I mentioned high.
Lon,
I hope you can help me solve an issue I’m having.
I am trying to utilize MoCA devices in my home network involving a unique situation.
The MoCA devices work great for part of my home use-case.
I have succeeded with the one MoCA connection to my bedroom. The family room connection works also, but here is my issue…
I am looking for a MoCA device in this room that also has PoE (Power over Ethernet) feature built into the Ethernet output of the MoCA box that will also provide power to two smart home, ethernet enabled Hub devices. This would enable me to remove the need for separate power cords on the Hubs.
My goal is take advantage of MoCA tech to achieve this goal.
Can you provide any tip as to whether such a device exists?
Thanks in advance.
You will probably need to get a POE injector that you can attach to the moca's ethernet. I don't think there is a POE MOCA adapter out there..
Let's say I have the internet from the router of the internet company and installed this MOCA system. Will the second router (any brand) extend the same SSID?
Why would you need a second router? This will bridge the network over Coax.
He might use a network switch at the far end and then a Wireless Access Point set to use the same SSID
Do these things work with Eero routers ?
2ms seems like a lot of latency for networking equipment. Not a problem for most users but I figured it would be microseconds not milliseconds.
could this be used with POE video camers?
Yes but you just need to use POE injector. Router/switch -> MOCA -> coax -> MOCA -> POE injector -> POE camera.
@@sheeeeeeeeeeseshh Yes, you'd need power for not only the MOCA boxes but also the POE injectors.
Which brand should I go with? Only looking to put it in one room and wire a PS5 and Apple TV while also using a cable box.
They are all mostly using the same guts. GoCoax, translite, and actiontec are all pretty good
@@LonSeidman would it be better to go translite to get the two Ethernet ports and cable out?
@@Kung_Fu_Kenny I think it really depends on what you need. The translites are pretty solid and it's nice to have the two ports.
@@LonSeidman I got translite and just set everything up. The wired connections to my PS5 and ATV work perfectly, but my cable box won’t. Any idea?
Just to follow up, I got them working.
I did coax from line outside->moca->coax in/out->in wall cable->moca
MoCA does not work over the coax in my home when it the MoCA and cable ISP frequencies share the cable runs, with or without a MoCa filter at the cable drop. I have gotten around it by physically separating the coax cables I use for MoCa from the one cable that feeds my cable modem. My ISP is Spectrum Cable using a Docsis 3.1 cable modem supplied by Spectrum. It’s taken me over a month of trial and error to get to this working solution. It almost wasn’t worth it.
We’re you trying to use network security on your moca adapters?
What if you no longer have cable? I switched to fiber but the cable coax is still there. Will I be able to use these for my fiber?
You would need a fiber to coax adapter as others have stated
Will MoCA help my wireless Orbi satellites? Have 3 satellites plus the main Orbi router struggling with wireless. Really hurting in a 4-floor townhouse and need good speeds on floors one and 4. Floor 1 is OK as the modem and router are there, but floor 4 is a challenge. Can the satellites be connected and boosted via MoCA?
If the Orbi satellites have an ethernet port for wired backhaul, it'll work fantastic.
Yes absolutely just imagine the coax port in any room as an ethernet cable you never knew you had. It works fantastic. Watch a few more videos on how to set it up and get cracking!
I've heard people say they like moca but I want good old Ethernet. It was a pain to run but worth it for me.
Ethernet is definitely the best. MoCA is really for if you positively cannot run Ethernet.
@@igeekone I'm probably more passionate about wiring then the average person. The wiring I'd do if I could start with a blank slate. 🤣
MoCA is great for renters...
So if I plug the coax from my wall that goes into the modem into this thing then how does the coax go into the modem?
MoCA compatible splitter is what I used.... BAMF brand on Amazon is what I got
Save some money if you have Verizon Fios + their TV box services, by replacing Verizon router with coax port with your own router and a moca box.
Which is better Moca or Powerline?
Moca by far