The Commander Got REWORKED! | IS IT STILL AMAZING? - Tower Defense Simulator (UPDATE)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- The commander, which is one of the most important towers in the game, just got a huge rework, giving it a brand new summoning ability, changing its stats, and more. In this video, I showcase all the stat changes, values, uses, and capabilities of this tower, then give my personal ranking of how good it is. Enjoy!
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Reworking support towers will always have either the biggest backlash or the biggest approval just because of the impact they have on buffing towers or debuffing enemies, ESPECIALLY those that buff other towers
true, i still remember toxic gunner and sledger become dps tower instead of support tower
"Erm commander was so op he needed to get nerfed 🤓"
yeah for me personally they ruined the commander for me and hey if someone likes it good for them yk
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thats tower battles commander bruh
The Voice lines are so MID now 😭🙏
Edit: CAN YALL IN THE REPLIES CALM DOWN ITS AN OPINION + im not glazing john or meat riding him, i think the new ones sound weird
the voice acting is fine. We are just used to hearing mostly john
Actually I think they’re pretty good, sure the John lines are iconic, but the new voice actor sounds more professional
im tired of listening to the same voice actor that also voiced phantom commander😭
@@therandomtransformersanima6236John voice lines were old, I bet John can remake it
@@therandomtransformersanima6236Until u hear the Neko commander
Reworked commander is considered an A-tier instead of a S-tier to me. what would have made the change better is if the caravans had more health as they can get one-shotted by stomps. A good change would either to make the price of the caravan ability lower or increase the health to the caravans. It’s my person opinion but yeah.
i dont care about the caravans i think the cooldown should be back to 30
Commander got nerfed hard...
Just bring back coa chaining, you can nerf the pistol damage to 1 idc
@@GenericName_. that pistol did like 0 impact like yeah you gonna have it shoot for like 10 second i will glad that it kill the normal boss that have like 180 or something idr. i think i have a better way to make it first buff the range that little range is nothing and completely ruined the commander itself my idea for the cooldown is it will have faster cooldown the more you upgrade the tower making each upgrade decrease 5 second each level
Any support tower is instantly S tier because not using it makes all your other towers a lot weaker (excluding medic there isn't THAT much stun abilities in TDS)
I Do actually think this rework was a nerf for the commander, tho the remodel was 100% necessary, the stat changes to be honest weren't very needed (except from the part where the ability gets stronger the more you upgrade commander which really makes sense and i dont understand why wasn't a thing before), expecially the range nerf, commander's base range is smaller than soldier's base range, which is uhh, annoying to say the least.
And the new ability, like corso said, its pretty useless in the late game, the APC's don't even have atleast 1k health, that definetly isn't very helpful in the late game with enemies that have like 3,5k health each
I'm thinking the stat change is to keep commander up to date with how they balance new towers and reworks, like there's probably something about 3 commanders in one map being able to buff almost every single tower by so much that bothered them
@@zawn8221exactly, especially with merc base buff
exactly i dont mind the fire rate buff nerf maybe they couldv nerfed it by 10% instead , but the range and cooldown changes make it so inconvenient and annoying to use making gameplay un fun is rlly not the way to fix a op tower
@@tharushakarunaratne3692 how about the 3 detections from hidden to lead?
@AML665, who uses commander for dps? Rhetorical question nobody does
i would like his rework more if it still leaned more into its supportive capabilities instead of getting a summon and forcing its abilities to be stretched out across the roles that tds has
a fun rework wouldve been that it doesn't have call to arms but it buffs its attack speed buff over the round the more damage it deals so it forces strategic track coverage and justifies that INSANE range nerf
paradoxum games is working on making the game less dependent upon towers such as commander and dj (dj rework soon???). they want people to use more towers rather than just the "meta". i think that this is a good approach since it allows for more "obscure" and unique towers to be utilized and allows players to pick whether or not they should bring the farm, commander, and dj loadout as it takes up 3 of 5 whole slots. 🤓
OK so wheres our rework of commando, archer, toxic gunner, frost blaster, freezer, trapper, soldier, normal cowboy, warden, engineer, slasher, turret, militant, gscout and pyromancer
@@fadez420 we alr got a frost blaster(good) and toxic gunner(good but slowdown should be 50% not 30% jester can fucking turn enemys around) so like thats a thing
@@fadez420Most of them have gotten reworks…
You must be seriously out of the loop to list most of the stuff you did list
@@fadez420 this guy clearly DONT play tds
@@fadez420Freezer already got reworked
Me: I don't wanna play with you anymore.
*Drops commander*
this is the best comment
say hello to mercenary base
Basically a dj that doesn't buff range or nerf cost
I'll still use it cuz it's the icon of every good loadout
The APC with explosives has flying detection on top of the rest of the things. So even tho it is a bit worse in support the commander is now the first tower that spawns units that directly attack and damage all types of enemies.
@@Hanzo_140they dont attack flying😐
@@Hanzo_140 not all enemy types.
@@timelineencrypted1992 I look on wiki, after 5 April pistol goons can't attack flying anymore, I need to enter game more often 😅
@@Sukuna-109 my bad, after 5 April pistol goons can't attack flying enemies anymore, I need to enter game more often😅
@@Hanzo_140 its fine👍
The missle apc is burst unit(burst of 4) which means its dps is calculated differently
0 views in 18 seconds, Corso is so back
Bro the voice lines sounds like hes going through 14 year old puberty voice cracks 😭💀🙏
Yea the neko skin sounds like little Timmy
@@Urlocaloven7667no way we got yuji in tds
@@Urlocaloven7667for me it sound like micky mouse 💀
I think this update is a good one as i said in a previous video of someone elses channel the new ability(to me) makes up for the lost 5% of firerate and the range as i think it does good dps especially if you spam all commanders ability at once even tho the commanders main ability cooldown got increased just sell it and replace it like seriously also for voice acting its fine johns va was a bit outdated even tho theyre iconic plus neko commander is the best skin because of the trains gg
i feel like this is an amazing change, im sure this change will show its worth once more of the new difficulties planned for the game eventually come out.
the reworked commander is probably gonna be one of the best clutches in hardcore because the caravan total hp for each commander is 900hp and times that by 3 thats 2700 hp and they're gonna be able to shoot before they die to a boss like speedy king they're gonna be able to do 125 dmg thus 3 caravans is a total of 3075 dmg total with ramming dmg and its a bit better than military base in terms of clutching mid enemies that could one shot your base but overall military base is better for clutching the base but the caravan is more reliable due to it being optional to spawn the caravan
nah they gonna be useless
@@pokade3659 but still tho its gon help alot in mid game
@@elord4205 i dont think you want to waste 3K cash in hardcore
If it were free maybe but I prefer an accel or a more effective turret or ranger
3 limit and losing the ability to chain. Overall sucks
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@@CORSOBLOX yo there is a mistake in your video, you put the increased price as a good thing (the text is green)
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This means it’s a spawner/buff/dps unit like it’s what all you can ask for it’s perfect
Didn't even finish watching the video but I already knew it's good
no its ass
ever since john and razuatix left tds, the devs have been slowly getting rid of them. yeah, there's the john militant skin, but now there's no john voice lines for commander. they even removed raz and john statues from rocket arena.
that's great
@@Despacitethat sucks
Edit: dang i didn't expect a ratio
what? they left, of course you're gonna stop seeing their work on the game. are you stupid?
I agree, should bring john commander back
@@baid- idk about john but raz completely sucks
i was just looking at your channel for this video and here it is thanks bro
i think the micro is gonna be harder for new player but easier for good player since in that 10 sec cooldown for cta is good for replacing other tower and the new ability only cost 3k which not that expensive for those who got cheap high dmg and it will be sure spamable with all player equiping comander
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commander? I barely know her!
thanks for the input propellars
I was not expecting a dad joke from you
That's quite unfunny
I don't even get it
@@axoltl2119 commander sounds like command her
commander's range may be small, but we got dj and range flags for this
You use dj more often than range flags and it is still shit
Yeah but I'm not gonna buy consumables
Using flags should not be mandatory and dj could be replaced by better options
it should be higher on all levels. that's my only annoyance.
@@Soronokeime too
A good change for the game IMO, though it DOES indirectly buff every mode in the entire game because one of your support towers now grants less boosts. Doubt the funny hardcore on triple path map is still possible now, for one.
2:39 in my testing, the ability lasted until the cooldown was 27/28, so chaining is still possible for the most part
This update makes you think before placing the commander now, because before the range would just cover the whole map with DJ
If you have enough gamesense, You can IMMEDIATELY calculate the optimal placement spot for commander, It takes me about half a second as an experienced player to figure out where to place
@@reetusbeetus not everybody has 1000 hours invested into tds, dude.
I agree with everything you said, except for the last words.
The commander now in my opinion is still not a good tower because of the attack radius. Before the rework, players had the choice of taking a DJ or a commander, there was one good option. Take the commander. Since its radius always allowed it to reach all the necessary towers. Because its radius was 20. Now, even under DJ with the value rounded, it will have 19 and Polluted Wastlelands is a good example for this.
3 commanders reached 3 key points where players set up their defenses. Now it won’t be possible to do this; one of the commanders will not reach the towers with his radius. 2 The commander's ability does not help him and does not balance his price.
If the ability were free or if these armored vehicles had a thousand HP each but were paid to summon, I would take it as a balance, although it still makes the commander weaker, but it at least somehow balances him out, because at the moment these cars are useful up to a maximum of 29-30. On the boss wave they are generally useless, because the Fallen King dies with one stunning blow.
That's why I don't think the commander is still a good tower. His nerf does not allow him to be in the S+ tier.
I would put the commander in S or A+ tier. This is my personal opinion.
a big point of the commander rework is that they want you to time your coa ability instead of mindlessly spamming it. Yes, they somewhat accomplished this with the cd increase, but a range nerf also accomplishes this. If you want to cover all of your towers with commanders, you need to spread them out now, making it so you actually have to think when to use coa and on what commander. This is a perfect rework and if you think the commander is bad now you’re delusional
@@MrStick-nz5zh Yes. You are right here.
The developers have made it so that now you need to think when to use it, good. You also reduced the radius of this, but what in return??
The commander began to speed up the attack on the towers even more?
No.
Has the tower become cheaper?
No. It even went up in price.
So what's the trade-off here?
He's gone. He was simply nerfed.
I make this conclusion because I judge everything from the point of view of solo gaming.
In TDS there is always a gathering in which even the most difficult Modes can win or be very close to it, and everywhere in all these assemblies the commander uses it, but now it is becoming much more difficult.
I judge everything from the point of view of a Hardcore player who would like not Impossible Challenges that are never possible to complete, but Challenges have an insane complexity, but at the same time doable.
And solo gaming is the only place where you can get this, and each Tower plays an important role here, and even more so the Commander, who for a moment is the most important support in the game and such a nerf is reflected not only in all previously built tactics but also in heplay.
If some tower is going to be nerfed or buffed, then something should go as compensation for this.
Let's take an accelerator as an example.
His damage was reduced. And what did we receive as compensation?
Longer charge. 5 damage in exchange for 600 duration.
The same goes for the shotgunner.
Its damage has decreased, but it has become cheaper.
Do you understand the logic?
If they take something from him, they give him something.
And now the question.
What compensation does the commander receive by reducing his attack radius and tower buff, for increasing the cost and time to recharge the ability. What does the commander get in return?
Increased damage on pistol and and 2 abilities for 3000 bucks?
Don't you think this is an unequal exchange, considering that you can only place 3 commanders?
@@littlefire8787 I aint readin allat + commander needed a nerf quit yapping
@@MrStick-nz5zhDumb ahh kid lmao
You need a summary website for his 3 paragraphs? You need us to water it down for your little brain?
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I think a good buff for this new rework is to remove the cost for using it's unit ability. Sure, Mercenary Base has a similar ability, but it costs less, and at the point at where you max it out, it's pretty guaranteed you'll have a ton of money, especially if you're playing a special gamemode like polluted wastelands.
Overall, a pretty good rework. A lot of people were complaining on twitter that it was killing the commander overall. But, even if the firerate bonus was only 50% instead of 55%, any firerate buff that isn't a conaumable will always be S tier.
The problem is the masive range he lost idk how this affext hardcore
I dont mind the buffing nerf i mind the part where U CAN NO LONGER CHAIN COMMANDER and in pw2 and hc YOU NEED the comm buff at all times. A good buff i think is making the placement limit 4 or 5
14range for support bruh.it the only thing that bothers.
if they do that it'll be less of a 1:1 copy of the tower battles one!
Why are we buffing a rework? Commander has been way too op for to long. Don’t buff it.
The ability for the army vehicles may not be the best, but the spawner tower challenge got an add-on.
Dang I can see all of the strats like Lucille and stuff imploding because commander was such a big part of it.
Fr they just decided to fuck up everything rip the people who spent all that time just for it to be ruined by a single update
I only use commander for the buffs and now it’s like they want to make it a normal tower
yeah, it was super op and needed a nerf for a long time. imagine a tower that's so op that you cant replace it with anything else. that's too much
@@PosterityIslesNews point is, there is nothing else to replace it with, which at that point you should just sub it out for something else, which just kills the tower entirely
They pumping out updates make me wanna come back and play tds again
dont, they are making the game worse
@@pokade3659 are you stupid? remember when half the towers weren’t usable?
Eh is a fine change. I do like the support caravan that changes from skins.
For me, this is the first tower to get a nerf rework instead of the tower back then that got buff rework
This rework is honestly, pretty nice. I think it's well needed, making you think much more using the tower now
How
Are mental? This rework is ass
Honestly I'd say the rework kinda made it mid ngl
@@Nubbins_Sawyerno it ain’t? He was so broken he needed to be nerfed, especially his cooldown.
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its about A+ tier for me now.that 5% can make a diference on polluted wastelands or smth like that so uhh yeah A+
I feel like this is going to effect a lot of strats, especially hardcore strats
LITERALLY THE TB COMMANDER ABILITY...
Fr bro
Cry harder
Tennis ball beefydie
@@Empty_Head666 go back to playing toilet td you absolute fetus...
tds meatriding spawners now 💀
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Yeah and it isnt even their own idea the ability is stolen from tb
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Honestly the skins make up for the nerf that it got, and commander is still great so all good imo
im a dj main,but neko commander skin is finally cool now
real
the only minus is the voice acting
@@user-ny8zh9dh9qliterally mickey mouse commander
Exactly he'd be so hot if he didn't sound like mickey mouse ☹️@user-ny8zh9dh9q
Yes, also please show every apc im to lazy :(
I think my main issue with the commander nerf is that its late game range was overnerfed, and its ability is just not worth it at all. For the same price you can get a tank which can do the job of all 3 but better, alongside being free and having slightly less recharge time. If the ability was on the 2nd to last upgrade and then the last upgrade made them better it would actually have a place in the game, but as of right now the summon ability is entirely useless.
Voice lines and new ability makes me fine with it
wait till u hear neko commanders voice lines
@@PocoMain im sacred
yea hate this update no joke..
Same man
People when game balance:
@@Sol_Aureus commander was balanced, and they killed every strat in existance with this update
@@Sol_Aureus Nah why did commander get a spawn ability now it's just tds meatriding spawn towers now
I think might need to be in a consideration when bring it to Hardcore mode, with the stats change like this the available strat that exist now will need huge rework regarding placement and stuff. My opinion is that this count as nerf because the stat change is massive and it's one and only support tower that give necessary buff for dps.
Merc base does as well, although its not that significant
The Lucile strat might have to make a work around for this new rework
I’m still bored of tds even if they change anything
"Ok bro"😕😕😕😕
True
Ight cool
same
Okay??
"HUGE REWORK" 💀
They kill it 🗣️🔥‼️ (i don like no more chain, they could set in 40s but limit of 4, you waste more and need more places, but keeping the chain)
What i dont like about support towers is that any tower that debuffs enemies does not work against bosses which makes every stun tower etc totally redundant last wave against the biggest threat
L rework, the John voice lines were better than anything they could make and iconic too. At this point they’re just letting TDX get better
TDS totally not having over double players then tdx
@@byoun257 So What's your point this makes no sense
@@Coolest-Daniel tds has more players than tdx so how are the developers letting tdx get better
i’m sorry tdx is mid asl. it is just boring, dry, and honestly disappointing
pros:
Looks cool
Cons:
They removed John's voice
It is more expensive
the best mechanic in the game is screwed up, commander chain
They turned a tower that is Suport into a DPS tower (nonsense)
result: dogshit
He still a support like literally
not completely dogshit it needed a nerf anyway 😂
@@rvtnq NO IT DIDNT CUZ NOW HC AND PW2 IS ALMOST IMPPOSIBLE
Dude, the thing is balancing changes, you cant let a thing be broken like in a way to make too easy the game, reworking a tower will be mean a big change, nerfs and buffs, so this is a way to perfectly balance this tower@@martindobrin8200
@@martindobrin8200 pw2 isnt impossible and hc ehh idk about it but the cooldown and range is the main issue i have with commander tbh
good to see tds devs doing some wild changes and additions to the game
Its funny because his max level speed boost is a 50% which is pretty much still the same to the old one
BEFORE YOU CRY AT MY OPINION AND SAY NOBODY CARES AT MY REPLIES I DONT CARE BOZO
Hi I'm Elec, I am a TDS player I sometimes do some stuff that help some people. (former strategiest of a hardcore strategy from April 2022)
Commander overall, feels like a DPS tower rather than a support tower. It can deal about 20k damage in total in a Fallen Match.
The current Pros and Cons I can find is:
Pros:
Commander now does 60k dmg (3 of it) in a Fallen Game.
DPS buffed from 6 > 12.5
APC spawning, very cost-eff for 3k it does about 150 dps with high range.
Cons:
Loss of 30-45% of the range.
Literally lost of level 2 on 1/3 of it's ability.
Level 2-3 now sucks. (for the most part)
Placement limit of 4
Lucille the most used hardcore strategy had to make the strategy literally use ACCELERATOR making it ST, that's how bad the Commanders nerf is.
This makes Commander somewhat trash in about solo games. I tested this with a loadout purely dependent on Commander (fully buffed). The loadout was Farm, Militant, Turret, Ranger, Commander. I'm telling you. How long it took me to kill the Fallen King. Commander just feels like, it's not a support. It's not like the Commander I feel before. The lower range makes it feel like a Tower Battles copy. This just truly ruins many strategies, making some more RnG or even impossible. As DJ is somewhat better for solos just because it fully buffs towers to it's range and discount and not Commander only buffing by about 45% (average). It's still an amazing tower required for literally every gamemode, it just don't feel the buffs it feel before.
Rating:
Solos: S+ > S-
Duos/Trios/Quads: S+ > S
Overall Ranking: S
It is still, the best tower but it's now like nerfed. The support it gives is less which I give it a lower grade, for solos DJ gives a better buff which I am not happy about.
After some considerations from the replies earlier that don't agree on my opinion or saying I'm a nerd or I yapped, they're you go I realised you will still use it regardless.
Feel free to disagree in the replies cause I honestly don't care about your opinion and you can't change it!
I’d say A+ it’s still good but the thought of not being able to chain gives a lot less dps potential, and the range nerf and stuff. I just hate it being like inclined on damage more than support.. it’s literally just supposed to be that. No need to cram abilities
And yes i was level 350.
I couldn't agree more...
Not reading allat
shut up
Bro is a nerd
L update bro
Fr
FR
Reason because commander got nerfed now i hate it
True
@@amalsabaah6570 probably cause you suck at the game
best thing:
the two towers that got reworked (mil base, cmd) i own since 2022, since i’m pretty bad at tds in the modern time
The new ability makes a lot of sense considering the original tower battles commander also had the same ability to spawn trucks.
10 tower battels out of 10 ( darn i liked so much getting lvl 2 comander early )
i think new commander having a 10% or 5% dmg buff could make up for its firerate debuff
The reworked commander seems pretty good. The only thing i would improve on is the APC units having a lot more health as they get destroyed in later waves easily. Also, reducing the cooldown may be beneficial as chaining is no longer fully possible. Overall however, they made a tower that was once pretty boring and felt forced to use in loadouts to a cool tower with a pretty nice gimmick.
Also neko commander my beloved
its cooler but they need to revert the call to arms abbilty and give the apc a little buff
Commander is now abit better with the 50% fire rate buff and the cooldown of 30 seconds of CoA returning and the Caravan ability is now 2k(idk if it returns the changes for the abilities from this video after PVP testing ends or the devs just decides to buff it on the Brawler Update
The most crucial changes i just can't really ignore is the range nerf and the new voicelines. I'm really gonna miss the og one by john.
The placement limit really changes alot of strats.
the firerate buff can be fixed with firerate flag so it does 70% on ability
but i dont wanna waste my cd flag, its joeover
That just gets more people to gamble bruh. It's not a good thing
@@infxnite4431 I dont gamble... I open the crate and am happy what I get... if its two nukes in a row then am going to fly out my window
If the new commander had 10%-5% dmg buff then it might make up for it's firerate debuff
You forgot that calling the caravan is like making à call of arms, making this ability useful as you can chain it in the late game (idk if i'm right or no)
I think the missile APC has more DPS because it shoots 3 rockets with 50 splash each so the dps is higher
I love the new commander and all the skins but I feel like if they made it a max of 4 placement limit chaining would be alot easier and because of the way smaller range how are strats like lucille going to work?
it isn't the creators will have to make new hc strats, and they limited it at 3 to make sure you couldn't have constant ability spam because they want the game to be more strategic.
They’ll simply make strats that are a bit harder, the concept of strats depending on 1 troop isn’t a good idea anyway and this would instead serve as a well deserved difficulty increase for the game
@@ManImSad they are just making the already unfun game modes even less fun, i want a fun challenge, not pain
@@pokade3659 then that’s a fault with the game modes not the troop. Maybe they could’ve nerfed the modes before commander
1:21 the max level look of the commander have slight similar look to commander tower battles the eye patch and his gun
This reminds me of when the shotgunner use to have swat cars
Atleast we can still chain! (It probably Will turn into 1 and we cant win on commander based strats)
final level got the tower battles vibe huh? (but different types)
Now it will be harder for players that have the commander mission to do 40 call to arms boost
Next commander rework they are adding an airstrike ability mark my works
(Tds def aint copying tb)
i havent kept up with this games updates for like a year and now everything is reworked😭
a support tower and a spawner tower.... feel like I heard this one before
Happy 100k subs!!!
The only reason they added vehicles is because tdx did a collab with tb and they are doing tb commander collab tower
At least there are still SOME good things about the commander
The explosion APC launches 4 missiles with 50 dmg so the dps is 100
im honestly all for towers being reigned in and overall less efficient as it encourages diversity in play style instead of just spam certain towers and ez win
i think that summon ability is cool for tower that only buff firerate
Commander is now a mid-high A tier. I feel the nerf to the fr buff is pretty significant and the time between the ability is quite bad but it makes up with the units it can spawn at max. Still pretty good though.
LOOK HOW THEY MASSACERRED MY BOY! NOW I NEED TO MAKE UP ANOTHER STRAT TO SOLO FALLEN
He became commander from tower battles
Truly it's not 10 seconds of use of his ability its around 12 so it will be 4 seconds waiting. Strange that almost no one saw that.
I'm calling it, DJ is next.
All I like about this commander is the new model, the design looks clean ngl 🔥, however... the firerate nerf was just devastating, I feel like it was a little bit unnecessary, a range decrease and a placement limit would have been good enough. Still, this rework isn't the worst in the world but stuff like this is why I barely play TDS anymore (or any TD games in general).
I knew that we were inevitably going to get a redesign, but I didn't expect them to rework him... and nerf him like this in the process. Like, will he still be heavily used, yes, is he flat out worse now though... also yes. At least his redesign is nice I guess.
Also commander level 2: lead dedection,hidden and fly dedection have O_O