See this is what AC4 did right. They started the game of happily with all the pirates happily plundering ships then out of no where everyone either dies or with betrays you, and it's all very sudden. It shows that piracy doesn't pay.
+GoodwinGhost Unless it's modern "piracy" which is apparently incredibly successful in many cases as long as you don't do it for a very long time or the federal government will kick in your front door.
+Purple Turtle I mean the unemployed forty year olds with their little 95 or XP in their mother's basement. Or the twenty, thirty some year old cubicle worker with ripped CDs all over his house.
+The Devil's Successors I am coming in late for this but yes there are times were modern piracy can be successful ether being a land pirate. A pirate that goes around hijacking tractor trailers carrying very valuable goods even clothing that can be worth over 200,000 dollars because they are made by a certain person. But then there is the Sea Pirate, sailing the seven seas that attack ships and can be found around Africa and around Asia but good chance the military or the coast guard will come for you. And in truth back then its rarely said but there are and were pirates that were very very successful. Its just we do not talk about them just the ones that died.
I still remember that part, I enjoyed the ending of the game as Edward sees all of his dead pirate comrades before meeting his young daughter for the first time. That to me seems to be one of Assassin Creeds best series moments
The only instance I saw of an eyepatch was Stede Bonnet using one when he was Blackbeard's apprentice, but then I think at that point Ubisoft was more parodying modern pirate tropes more than anything because at that point, Stede was way in over his head and was trying to act like a hard ass when he was really as soft as a cushion. You can find buried treasure with treasure maps. And while pretty much all the pirates were depicted as successful, they did eventually die.
Actually, I found them all to be pretty unsuccesful. All the pirates that stayed pirates ended up dead, as in history, and Edward was headed the same way, until he found true meaning in his life. Anne escaped the gallows but had to abandon piracy in the end (as some historians speculate that happened in real life).
***** Ironically enough, Stede was the only one who didn't end up dead in the end without giving up piracy, but mostly because he was more of a merchant pirate than anything.
Suitaloo Stede Bonnet was killed, but in the game he just vanishes. Though you can find his treasure that was around historically in one of the DLCs. Hanged by the neck until dead, and in real life accounts some people were moved to tears in his remorse at the very end
7:58 The most successful pirate in history was both Chinese and a woman. Ching Shih (who lived 1775-1844) was essentially a pirate ADMIRAL, commanding somewhere between 300 and 1,800 ships. Eventually after terrorizing the South Chinese Sea for so long that the Chinese government basically surrendered to her. Ching was allowed to keep her massive loot and peacefully retired.
EuSuntPaul Ratings aren't everything. And compared to following games, no the fighting, controls and realistic gameplay only got better as the games progressed....except maybe for revelations in my opinion. And when it comes to story that tends to be a bit more of a matter of opinion.
A lot of pirates actually did retire with riches and an army of ships under their command. But like most modern professional athletes, they had no idea how to budget themselves and ran out of riches quickly. Since appearing in infomercials wasn't an option back then, they had no choice but to go back to pirating, a choice that got them killed 100% of the time. The few that didn't would get offered pardons by the government and a job in the navy if they came out of hiding. If they showed up to accept the deal, they got led straight to the gallows.
I know one. That Pirates only carried one pistol. Historically that was very inaccurate. Pirates were clever bastards. They'd customize their ships to improve their performance in battle, make stink bombs so effective that the crew on victim ships would actually jump overboard to get away from the stench, Kinda an 16th century tear gas grenade. Oh and Pirates knew reloading flintlocke pistols were a pain in the ass so they'd actually tie several pre loaded pistols around their neck. In short they'd grab a gun dangling by their neck shoot let go grab another gun shoot rinse and repeat. This of course may explain why some Pirates were very good at capturing ships. Also the List is a lil wrong in terms of the buried treasure. Blackbeard actually did bury treasure. You have to remember this is long before the concept of modern money laundering existed. So obviously the more notorious Pirates and Pirate captains would hide their wealth however they could and yes this did include burring it. Captain Kidd did it also as a bargaining chip idea though it did fail. In Blackbeard's cause however he did retire once, but did return to Piracy. Remember back than entertainment and excitement wasn't nearly as obtainable as it was today. And as dangerous and life threatening as Piracy was it was definitely exciting. So When Blackbeard left retirement to return he dug up his treasure. With that inside Blackbeard did actually at one point retire to enjoy his wealth like alot of people fantasize Pirates being successful. Heck the returning of Piracy wasn't due to need of more wealth but just contempt with the boring retirement he had experience. This actually makes Blackbeard more interesting since he'd rather die doing what he loved (Pirating) than just sip drinks at a Mansion. Captain Kidd was most known for the buried treasure. However he wasn't the only Pirate known to have buried treasure. The difference is if you were hoping to dig up Blackbeard's treasure. Sorry Blackbeard beat ya too it.
masterjim23 yea like when you craft the pistol holster, you carry 4 pistols at once and u pressed LB or L2 (depending the console) to reload all of them after you shot your bullets
masterjim23 See, I'd say that was especially clever, except carrying multiple braces of pistols into combat wasn't something they came up with. It was a commonplace strategy.
Benjamin Fargason Sure it was a commonplace strategy but it did give them an edge over merchant ships. Trading ships were specialized in hauling as much Cargo as possible. Trading ship crews simply bought Goods at Port A where it was low then sail and sell to Port B. As the focus of most merchant ships of the time was to keep costs low to maximize profits in trades it was uncommon for merchants ships to be well armed in way of either cannon or firearms in the hands of the crew. The Smarter navy ship crews likely utilized the same strategy. My point was the common mental image of a pirate with a Cutlass and a single pistol is highly inaccurate. The actual pirates as I explained did everything they could to improve their ability and gain every edge in battle they could. Pirates Made money three basic ways. First they robbed ships for Cargo they can use/sell. Since Pirates didn't actually buy their goods the offer price when they reach a port was of lil concern. The second method pirate's earned money was through the sale of captured ships. Well fleets of Pirates did happen they were typically small fleets. Most the time a Pirate ship fleet did exist it consisted of a flag primary ship. While some if not all the secondary ships are merely captured vessels to carry excess Cargo or might be the Cargo in the form of captured ships they would sell. The third method of income was mercenary work. Pirates were a bit more then just thieves. Yes they stole but they did a bit more then that. Pirates often had to fight hostiles rather it was a Navy, other Pirates or stubborn merchant ship crews. Pirates on a ship to ship comparison were comparable to navy ships in some cases superior for a while. That means they made for excellent Mercenary Navy forces. In the Revolutionary war the Patriot's Naval force consisted almost entirely of Pirates working as mercenaries. Hell the very first ships of the US Navy were actually captured British ships that were either stolen from colonial ports or captured at sea by Pirates under the employ of the continental navy.
masterjim23 I thought it was total bullshit that the game limited you to 4 pistols. COME ON GAME, I expect at LEAST 6 IF NOT MORE. They even say that a pirate MUST be judged by how many pistols of what quality he has strapped to his chest.
That's not really true. If you recall the Pirate Lords of The Pirates of The Carribean, the Pirate Lord of the Pacific Ocean Mistress Ching is based from the most successful pirate Zheng Shi. She was a prostitute who then married a pirate and after her husband died, she took over his fleet. She had about 1,800 ships and her crew consisted of 80,000 people. The Chinese Navy tried to capture her but they failed so many times they gave up. In the end she retired, kept her loot, and opened a gambling house.
I think the main point was the Pirates during the golden age of piracy and in the Caribbean and Zheng Li was slightly after the golden age and was located in asia.
There's also Henry Morgan, the guy Captain Morgan rum is named after. He was pretty successful and died a governor. Although he was around a century before AC4 took place.
One pirate punishment I heard of is that, they would put you on a deserted island with no animals and no trees for shade. As they put you on the island, they gave you a bottle of rum and a loaded pistol. You had two choices, die from starvation or take yourself out. I heard that this was true and pirates actually did this.
If you include "privateers" Captain Morgan seems to have had a long life capturing pretty much everything and looting the crap out of and lived to a ripe old age of 53 before dying of some kind of disease.
And, that quite literally was a ripe old age, unless you were a surprisingly healthy scholarly type who managed to stay out of trouble and plagues for more than 60 years. I say scholarly because since Socrates (over 80, 2,500 years ago), they always seemed to live longer as a demographic than labourers, while the aristocracy tended towards heart and liver issues, gout, STDs, and complications from inbreeding. 50+ for a pirate? Hell, that was ancient.
This is the only Assassin's Creed game I've ever played and it was awesome, with me doing many explorations and destroying ships left and right...until everything went to shit with poor Blackbeard and then after what happened to Mary it was suddenly really sad and angry which ended up with me saying "Fuck exploring!" and finishing the game quite fast and enjoying every time I killed a soldier.
NightStar787 Both being real pirates actually had incredibly accurate deaths. Mary Reed, or James Kidd died in prison from a fever after pregnancy, and Blackbeard died from a ship ambush. I was really impressed how they incorporated it into the game.
NightStar787 hehe same here, I loved the game at the start, sailing around plundering and pirating until everything went to shit in the story and pretty much everyone died... Black Flag was an awesome pirate game, but the assassin thing was kinda boring (maybe I'm just tired of assassins :p), so when Edward joined the assassin order it kinda felt like the game didn't make sense anymore, and that Edward had become such a civilized British noble... Especially with the ending where he sails away to England with a bloody daugter, then taking young Haytham to a theatre... WTF, why did you make Edward into a woozy English lord??? Also, the ending doesn't make sense as after the credits and after Edward goes to England, you're suddenly back in the West Indies for completionist sandbox purposes... And finally, I miss Adéwalé :(
The-Kris555 I know right? But if you think about it the ending did kind of make sense. I mean, everything went to shit and he made that promise to Mary that he'd change and also with no one that he loved supporting him he kind of just went blah so joining the Assassin's did make sense seeing as he finally decided to change and stop being so obsessed with being greedy. Plus he couldn't exactly be a good father to his daughter if he stayed a pirate so it made sense to change and return to being a citizen. Although yeah, unless you were paying attention to the game telling you what year it was when you started some missions it seemed like everything went really fast when in fact it took a number of years for all that shit to happen.
NightStar787 Yeah, I mean Edward probably made the right choice - realizing his wrongs and how many people had died because of him, especially now that he had a daughter - so story-wise it was pretty good, I just think it's a shame that he stopped pirating :P
I always thought the idea of pirates burying their treasure was moronic. First Mate- "Hey Captain! What are we gonna spend all this gold and Jewels on?" Captain- "Well lads, let's use it to buy a really expensive hole in the ground." First Mate- "Why not just dig the hole ourselves and throw the gold in to save us the effort?" It's just a shame that the first mate was being sarcastic and no one caught on. Presumably because he was suffering a bad case of walking the plank or keelhauling or parrot syndrome or some other stupid pirate myth nonsense, I dunno. But I sincerely doubt they were doing anything with their chests of gold other then spending it or dumping it in a big pile and rolling around in it.
***** Yeah I get that. Gotta protect your booty after all but I mean come on, how big is a treasure chest in comparison to a ship hull? So I doubt it happened as often as people think. I'd say it's more that they dumped it, then got rid of their crap then came back and got it instead of the stereotypical "Let's go bury our treasure and leave it at that!" strawman pirate fantasy that Hollywood has concocted.
Sometimes loot was buried accidentally, not by pirates but by the weather. I mean, if a ship went down close to land, some of its cargo could easily wash up onshore and gradually get covered by sand.
What about Ching Shih ? She had a huge fleet with a practical hierarchy, established her own code and made sure it was respected, successfuly faced the navy of various countries numerous times, successfully negotiated with authorities. She did piracy for about 40 years before retiring and opening her own gambling hosue and died of old age. She might not be the most famous but in my book she's definitly the most successful
Unfortunately Edward was killed by templar assassins sent by reginald birch after he retired in his own home. It's not a spoiler since the game doesn't even show it and ubisoft made it up before black flag released
I disagree with the last point. There were many successful pirates (long term) such as those who aided certain nations in their pillaging. The welsh pirate Henry Morgan for example raided Spanish settlements and was rewarded with a knighthood by the English crown.
He was indeed both, plundered whatever he pleased and took credit for killing the king's enemies when he could. He retired as the Governor of Jamaica and died of drinking too much rum. I'm sure that's the perfect ending for any aspiring pirate.
I've seen the Captain Morgan brought up a LOT in the comments. To answer the question "Wasn't Captain Morgan successful?" Yes, yes he was. But calling him a successful pirate perhaps isn't the best labeling as he was a privateer for his entire career. The distinction between pirate and privateer is an important one as privateers have the backing of a crown power where as pirates do not.
Most pirates called themselves privateers, and for Henry, he was the one, that got away, when he retired from privateering, he became the governor of Jamaica.
You're not a privateer without a letter of marquee. The point is, he fought for one side, that side rewarded him. That said there were probably a decent amount of successful lesser known pirates who took pardons. But for the most part he most successful pirates were caught or killed. I don't consider Morgan part of that because he was always working for the British.
BoredDan except for when he wasn't. he violated a 1670 peace treaty between england and spain when he sacked panama in order to cover the cost of his debts to the crown, openly causing an international incident. he was brought up on piracy charges but SOMEHOW managed to claim he had no knowledge of the treaty, and england's relations with spain were collapsing at the time, so they just didn't care. after relations tanked he was knighted. regardless, though, if he worked for england spain and france would have hanged him as a pirate, the difference was only a piece of paper, and that paper only mattered to one Country, to everyone else, you were still a pirate.
They might be hung, they might be treated as prisoners of war, depending who captures them :p The point is he was successful not as a pirate, but as a privateer. The panama incident was interesting, but at the end of the day the crown decided he was "innocent" and so in their eyes he was never a pirate. For him to have a safe place to successfully retire, that is important and that's why the distinction is important.
Seal Over the flying dutchman ghost story is a myth but the ship did really excist they just sailed of and never returned and other sailers told people they saw the ghost ship who was returned from the dead or something
While not really the golden age of piracy, Henry Morgan can really be called the most successful pirate/privateer of all time, since he actually did retire, and became governor of Jamaica. And was rich. And was also Welsh like Kenway, which is pretty cool.
dIRECT0R Well if you asked the French and Spanish fleets at the time I think they'd have called him a pirate, if either of them had won the major conflicts of the time I think history would have remembered him as a pirate instead of a privateer. The victors write history my friend, if you take history as a whole into account he was both. Besides, privateer was just a pirate on a payroll, though I do see your point.
SalvageB292 I always found privateers worse than pirates. They're essentially pirates with a kingdom (whether it be the British, French, etc.) backing them up. That's the cheatiest cheating I've ever heard!
dIRECT0R Actually, your interpretation of the golden age pirates isn't entirely accurate. History is determined by the victor is easily applied here. Piracy was actually a revolution, pirates, like the famous Ed "Blackbeard" Thatch, and many others, simply wanted free trade, to buy and sell goods without tax from the crown. While it is true innocent people died, they were simply a victim of circumstance, and Pirates normally boarded ships, killed those who stood their ground, and gave quarter to those who asked for it. Normally the only time all men died, was when a ship continued to fight until it's final sinking, in which case, the sinking of the ship would create a downward force dragging anyone on board the ship down with it. While sunk ships were often, Pirates preferred to avoid sinking a ship because spices, like sugar, were worthless if they were wet, and it was much easier to transfer cargo from two ships still floating, then sending men down to the bottom of the ocean just to get a few hundred reals(Have no idea how to spell it). Pirates gave quarter because it gave them fame, fame gave them more influence, especially when you were as feared as Blackbeard was. Fear and intimidation caused merchant ships to surrender when famous ships, like the Queen Anne's revenge, sailed within cannon range. Why kill a witness, when they can make you out to be a demonic force of nature. People were very superstitious at this time, and to even sell his devilish reputation, Blackbeard would mix Gunpowder in his rum, and stick lit fuses in his beard. Think about how much stronger a reputation is, than a weapon. It's considerably more effective than just cold steel, and Cannon balls. Besides, passengers were rarely carried on cargo ships, if you could afford to sail without actually working, why put yourself in the cross hairs of a Pirate by sailing with valuable cargo.
Actually the damaged eye covered with a patch was really common. Pirates were punished or injured in battle in their eye area. Patches fixed the unsightly factor of a eye socket. And the peg leg was a true thing too. Pirates needed to stay fit to be sucessful. A "bum" leg was very bad. So mostly they sawed off and replaced the bad leg, sometimes with wood.
Also, it was fairly common to use a "peg" as a splint in necessary times of attack/defend. This would go BESIDE the leg, instead of swapping a leg FOR it.
Some pirates, especially of the highly religious golden age, would have cared very much about committing murder. Many were completely content to avoid a fight when pure intimidation would do, and surrender was often met with honorable terms. Regular sailors were often offered the chance to join the pirate crew (and many happily accepted). Officers and gentlemen were often ransomed back to their families. Later pirates became increasingly cruel and vicious, but it was not always necessarily the case.
Pirates would care about committing murder, they have stolen things, and yes killed people for it involving there own crew members but it's harder to be hung if there's no evidence you killed someone on your ship, walking the plank is less messy and its technically suicide
they do have buried treasure in the game but its not a major part of the story. just a little side collectable you could do, since the game has a lot but it was fun going out and finding buried treasures. makes you feel like a pirate, even if it is a bit cliche
anthony welch To be honest most of the pirate's wealth was counted not only in gold, but also in food, cattle, ships and other things, so it is hard to bury and not lose it's value.
Their version of success is different than my version of success lol.... If you leave legacy, legend, an live well that's a damned successful pirate life. Old age doesn't mean success lol.
+Nikolai More or less how Black Bart saw it, at least in the game. Not entirely sure how the real him saw it though. And if this were the case, well then Blackbeard is the most successful pirate in history given he's the one pirate almost everyone knows about, despite the vast majority of what is "known" about him was pure fabrication on his part.
It is worth mentioning that there was actually a recorded instance of a pirate losing an eye and wearing an eye patch, but he was a Barbary Pirate by the name of Rahmah ibn Jabir al-Jalahimah.
Ever heard of Francois l'Olonnais? This game's intro says Kenway is fearsome as hell... look up that guy. He chewed on a guys heart to intimidate his comrades into showing him an escape route. Fucked up dude...
***** Chinese have a full cook book for human flesh (human meat was called "2 leg goat"), and human meat was also commonly used as army ration in the age of war and chaos. And Chinese bandits are still performing such action until 1930s (human liver soup as a cure for hangover)... Chewed on 1 man's heart? That is like kids play =_="
Joel Walden Embellishing? Which part of this topic can be made to "look good"? One of the punishment set by ancient Chinese lawmaker Gao Yao was to have the criminal roasted and served as food. And this is just a tiny bit of it, cannibalism have long been used as a mean of punishment for crime in China, and bandits also use it as a way to show off their power. Those are things that you will need to do it repeatedly to build up fear, and if everyone get their pants wet because someone ate "1" man's heart... What a bunch of wimpssy!!
***** Cannibals? They better pray that I don't get them first... I do got a medicine balm recipe that require bones and fat from tribesman, and it is good for joint pain.
SPOILER: Edward Kenway had a pretty stupid death. He was killed by mercenaries...So after killing ace combat skilled british, templars etc. He was killed by a band of mercenaries. So you're telling me a bunch of mercenaries sent by templars is harder then fleets of ships, countless armed guards, templars etc? It makes no sense to me? But he had to die someway or Haythem would have never became a templar mucking up the intended story.
Jamie41963 That's not true. It's the life expectancy that was around 40 years but that's due to the extremely poor healthcare and very high infant mortality rate. Basically, if you made it till the age of 10, you were very likely to live up to 70 years. Unless, of course, you got killed. In that case you'd die younger.
Jan Polaczek ",,,,due to the extremely poor healthcare..." You also need to understand that back then, doctors didn't understand the role stress played on the human body... Both physical and psychological stress. Someone who'd been through what Edward had wouldn't have a long life span. And the scars and old injuries alone would make him a cripple by age 50. Take it from someone who's made it more than a half a century, and still can't be helped by modern medicine... you WILL pay for what you do in your youth. Folks back then lived hard and died hard. And usually quite early. Of course, most of you reading this won't do jack shit in your youth, past sit in front of a computer. So you'll probably live to be 100., even though you've never really lived at all.
He would of died lots of time in the game anyway like jumping on veiwpoints (because a bale of hay would not save your life) and getting shot and stabbed by soldiers.
Raptor Gawd Well thats good,because AC4 wasnt much of an Assassins Creed Game. Yes it does have the AC logo but its like putting A coke into a pepsi bottle, just because it has the skin of pepsi doesnt make it pepsi.
Actually after beating it, I really liked it. You didn't just become an assassin instantly, you earned the respect of the order and slowly gained their trust and then was welcomed in.
No mention of the best pirate ever, Henry Morgan? He not only was successful at piracy, but got knighted and was granted a government job in Jamaica as well.
Morgan was more privateer than pirate, and had been dead for about thirty years at the beginning of Black Flag. But yes, he is a rare exception; one of the few men in his line of work who died in his bed.
Basically privateers had letters of marque from one or more countries, giving them dispensation to attack the enemies of that country. Since Europe was involved in a great many conflicts during the seventeenth century, they didn't have a lot of manpower to spare in the Caribbean. So they'd hire local captains to attack their enemies for them. Pirates just attacked whoever they wanted.
Well Edward did have his Edward the Legend outfit which had a some-what version of an eyepatch and one of the cheats makes Edward talk in cliches phrases.
Fun fact: In real life, Bart Robert died from a piece of grape shot to the throat immediately after getting changed into fine clothing to fight in a battle that could only end in defeat. (grape shot was used to clear the decks of ships, it was a collection of small sharp objects such as broken glass and jagged metal fired from a cannon.)
Someone already mentioned this, but you all forgot Henry Morgan, who technically fell under privateer, but let's face it, privateer's were basically just the mercenary version of pirates, who worked for one government in particular. But in 1680, he led a massive force of 1,700 pirates against the Spanish City of Panama. Due to this, he was knighted, and died peacefully in his plantation in Jamaica, surrounded by loved ones. There's also Sir Francis Drake, the English Privateer who circumnavigated the globe just to escape a Spanish Fleet chasing him, before returning to England. He also was knighted and led England's rather successful defense against the Spanish Armada. And of course, Mary Read and Anne Bonny, the two infamous female pirates who sailed under Calico Jack's command. These were two of the fiercest pirates you'd ever face on the open seas, but were spared execution due to being pregnant when Calico Jack and his crew were captured. Sadly Mary Read died of fever/complications giving birth to her child, while Anne Bonny simply disappears from the history books.
Michael Gankin Not necessarily true. Privateers are basically men who are not part of a countries navy, but they are fighting the enemies of that country for them. They loot and pillage and such like pirates, but they never target the ships of their patron country, and give a percentage of the riches they earn back to whoever they're working for. Pirates work for no one but themselves. They attack anyone they want, take whatever they want, and answer to no one but themselves. You can say all Privateers are Pirates, but not all Pirates are Privateers.
Pirates attack trade ships, most of the were spanish at the time due to Spains immense power, and therefore a big target. When I said one mans pirate is another mans privateer i meant that it doesnt matter who the pirates raid, its that who they raid might make that country think they're pirates, but a country that is at war with the one that the Pirates attack aknowledge them and think the pirates helped them
Michael Gankin But then those same countries would still go after Pirates willingly. Even if a pirate attacks ships belonging to their enemies, they would go after that pirate because they were criminals, and it was their job to hunt them down. Hence why saying that one man's pirate is another man's privateer isn't entirely true.
TechLeafRanger They wouldn't go after pirates unless they attacked them or their allies. If they go after their enemies then the Royal Navy of the enemy country would help hunt them down unless they attacked them as well
Number 7 is way too true... :'( This may count as a spoiler, but be warned that Edward Kenway is one of a select few who end AC4 in a better state than when the game started
Mike Hofilena XBrossive Aggro You guys know they only told that she's a woman at the middle of the game? You found her hot back there when 'she was a man' too?
Edward Kenway himself didn't exist, he's a video game character. But incorporating Templars and Assassin's is itself inaccurate because they stopped existing after the crusades. Adding Pirates as a 3rd faction was quite a brilliant idea though.
There's a myth that Freemasons claim Templar lineage but it's not true. They borrowed Templar symbols but that's about it. The Freemasons and Templars are separated by 400 years.
Haha I didn't know about that one. I'll keep that in mind but I won't take it as actual proof because this is TH-cam. Adding Templars to AC2 and AC brotherhood was a good idea too because the pope called the crusaders to fight. The knights templar are much more popular in history, the assassins were talking about were very obscure. It was the sultunate that pushed the crusaders away from the holy lands after their only succesful crusade.
Corvo Attano I was just making note that the idea that the Templars are gone isn't universal - though the AC version of the Templars are too far removed from reality.
wait... I thought the knights templar still DID exist. (correct me if I'm wrong) It was renamed to the freemasons. And another thing, didn't Hitler and some of the nazis actually WEAR a knight's templar pin?
Assassin's Creed isn't all that historically accurate. The Assassins died off in the 13th Century and the Templars disbanded long before the Enlightenment. Oh, and Blackbeard's name is Teach, not Thatch. I don't know why they changed his name.
actually blackbeards name is not factually known, only a few records have been found and these show many different names, also, the assassins vs templars part is just a good story to incorporate into many historical parts, secret societies and all, and they never meant it to be based on fact, just a fun abridgment of history
Well it is a video game, it has to have video-game elements. Like obviously the Templar's aren't using a modern-day business to carry out their work even into the modern era, hidden blades didn't exist, and one man isn't going to win a one-vs-100 man fight.
And don't get me wrong, I love Assassin's Creed. It's one of my favorite series. But I sort of chuckled when they emphasized that the games are great on historical accuracy. For one thing, they made Machiavelli older than Ezio when, factually, Machiavelli was born in 1469 which would make him 10 years younger than Ezio. Obviously this was just an age mix up and it really wasn't a problem for me. Also, Rodrigo Borgia died of natural causes. He was not murdered by his son. And Mary Read's male name probably wasn't James Kidd. We don't have any information on her male name, actually. But she did die in prison.
they dont claim the battle between templars and assassins was happening at the time. its has to have some unrealistic features, just like an apple that can kill multiple people at a time and there's a machine that records the past through your dna and there's juno and what ever you call the other one.
Myth: Pirates used grand ships. Fact: Pirates used small sloop's because of their speed. That Blackbeard took the Concord, a slaveship was at the time unheard of. This was the ship he renamed Queen Anne's Revenge. Myth: Pirates had grand fights on sea shooting with cannon's at their victims. Fact: Most of the fight was the chase, where the victim tried to escape. The better seaman would decide if the pirates caught up or not. And we're not talking about just a few hours of chase here ;)
thats why they should make a Assassin's Creed about Vikings. so you wouldn't have to feel bad when you slay everyone :) if anyone has watched the TV series "Vikings", give Ragnar Lothbrok a hidden blade and a hoodie.. there we have the next great Assassin...
Marcus Tjernström vikings are probably least likely to be featured in assassins creed as they have never been known for the practice of assassination as they preferred mortal combat nd moreover assassins have to be stealthy nd yet mix in with the crowd if the viking was in a foreign land he would stick out like a sore thumb nd lets face it if he was in his homeland assassinations would be impossible as 1 not possible to be stealthy while covered in kilos of cumbersome pelts 2 no roofs or proper architecture to use as is customary for assassins creed games
MrBloodlust97 Vikings weren't all in Scandinavia, you know. In fact one of the biggest and most widespread traders at the time were vikings. Plus you have the Varangian guard in Byzantium, The Nordic invasions of England, the creation of Novgorod, etc. Also: vikings weren't "covered in kilos of cumbersome pelts" any more than someone else who lived in a cold area. Vikings were all over the world, and if anything they would stick out less than Connor does.
Andro Nom while i agree that the vikings spread greatly however they became more civilised in the regions they travelled to and often assimilated into native culture so seamlessly that u couldnt tell one from the other thus making the whole theme effectively redundant as the whole point would be to have a character that stands true to stereotypical viking behaviour. plus the pelts were used by early vikings to protect from storms which prevented them from performing the agility centered moves of an assassins and since its coustomary for ubisoft to have a historically accurate setting even if the story takes liberties its highly improbable if not impossible for there to a viking assassin although it would be awesome to have a an independent viking game
The blackbeard bit is a little misleading, He was very much successful, the issue was that he also spent money like a king, and had to keep returning to piracy after spending all of his riches. If he had been a little more savvy with his spending, he could have lived out his days in north carolina if he wanted to, where the governor was willing to ignore his piracy in exchange for a bit of grease on his palms. As far as pirates go, its easy to admire Teach, its just a shame that his wisdom failed him in such a way it got him killed. Also there is a long history of female pirates retiring without incident. Sometimes with riches, sometimes not, but its not surprising they were able to get away with it considering their ability to essentially transform into different people.
+mike mikeson The reason that Blackbeard is easy to admire for a pirate is actually because of his conviction to the cause... while he did it for the gold, what was really attractive about piracy was the freedom. Gold was the primary tangible benefit while freedom (also heart-stopping action) was the intangible benefit... And if not freedom, then a legacy associated to a name to be known forever
It is really awesome how you go deeper than just playing and enjoying games, you actually analyze and go into science and history and compare and all. That is why you guys are so awesome.:D
+Jack Percival It all has to do with the history and geography of the time. Bristol was a more important city than London on account of it's role as England's largest port city. Due to a pretty shit economy many young west-country men were drawn to Bristol to seek out maritime employment and some were drawn to piracy. The Welsh were also very inclined to a maritime career as the Welsh economy has never been great due to the English invasions and control. A lot of pirates were from Cornwall, Dorset, Devon, Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucester and Wales mostly due to the home economy and proximity to sea ports.
You forgot to mention Henry Morgan, possibly the most successful privateer/pirate in the history of the world. Raided the largest Spanish settlements at the time, including panama, and retired as a wealthy man living peacefully in Jamaica until his death.
Historical accuracy? I love the games but that's just not true. They use historical events as set pieces for their stories but they take major liberties. If you are going into Assassins Creed looking for Historical accuracy, then you are going to be disappointed. I'm pretty sure there was never a point in the American Revolution where a single man swam out to sea and brought three ships filled with trained soldiers down without any back up what so ever.
VChuckShunA Yeah. It was the second battle of the game. Conner had to swim out to three ships, take down all the soldiers on board and then pull down the enemy flags to show that he was successful.
VChuckShunA I actually enjoy it. It's a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, but it is definitely my second least favorite Assassins Creed game next to AC1.
AC4 is definitely romanticized we can't get close to historical accuracy, not least because of shifts in language and dialogue, the time scale of sailing voyages. Then there is the brutality of that era, for example the violence of sea battles (imagine decks littered with human remains, lots of people torn up by shrapnel and splinters, blunt force injuries and traumatic amputations) and the inevitable slow agonized deaths of those wounded sailors from necrosis, gangrene and other infections. Add to that the horror of shipboard punishments, disease, lice, malnutrition, starvation and privation and the level of crime and violence in ports and the shitty lives of children of that time who are completely missing from the game. All the gibbets are empty in the ports and the gallows too, in reality bodies would be left hanging for days, or in some cases coated in pitch and left to hang around for years, Kidd was left hanging for 3 years, and there were cases of bodies left hanging so long they ended up being used as navigational aids by sailors.
divitu I am fun at parties I get shitfaced climb up onto a wardrobe and make eagle noises then leap down on the host, loot them for beer and money then chase a scrap of paper around the party, before seizing it in a rolling tackle, so when someone calls me a taxi I can teach the cabbie a new shanty...
i believe calico jack rackham ended up as one of those navigational aids. in fact i think the place they hung his pitch covered corpse is now called rackham's cay
1. one of the outfits has an eye patch but hey it is more cloth than anything And Stede Bonnet has one, although he is still the worst pirate in all history (by that I mean crappiest) 1b. no peg legs as far as I could tell 2. You do not get a pet parrot, but you do see a caged parrot 3. Blackbeard is justified and there is an unlockable cheat that allows this but I assume it is for humor 4. You find 22 of them but most chests are above ground and many are not so hidden but those 22 are justified in a way. 5. didn't see any plank walking but I did see hangings and firing squads that said Blackbeard prefered peaceful surrender over killing. 6. didn't see any keelhauling 7. It is kind of obvious that Edward survives. The other pirates in the game? Not so much XD
As someone who is writing about a fictional crew of pirates and plays Black Flag pretty frequently, this was a very fun and informative video to watch! I knew a good deal about the seven myths you guys discussed, and even then you brought up things I didn't know-- for example, the fact that the royal navy used keel hauling more than pirates. It would be cool if you guys had done a tidbit about female pirates and how common (or not) they were, given the presence of a couple in the game and their prevalence in popular pirate culture elsewhere, but maybe you covered that in another video and I haven't come across it yet!
I like how Edward fly's the jolly roger at all times when pirates would never do that. Being a death wish telling everybody that you are a pirate. "Historical Accuracy"
Unfortunately captain Henry Avery/Every was swindled out of most of his treasure when he tried fencing it to three English or Irish merchants referred to him by a former acquaintance. Sad story. The wealthiest pirate ever was a Chinese lady, I forget her name. She actually retired and lived a full life after the Chinese government offered to give her a life of ease and luxury if she would only stop being a pirate!
Samuel Lacey I have several pirate books, rather historical reference books on pirates and obviously she is mentioned. I just couldn't think if her name when I wrote that. My research is for a series of kid's books I am creating. See more at PirateCaptainSmew.com Cheers!!
Blackbeard may have died in battle but have you read about how much it took to kill him? He semi-retired but a crooked governor got him back into the business. He was later cornered by the navy and in the battle he was SHOT FIVE TIMES AND STABBED AND SLASHED AT LEAST TWENTY TIMES. Say what you will but he was a fucking badass
Spanking Everything nope if I remember correctly birch, first guy haythm talks too in the theatre in ac3, kills Edward and corrupts haythm telling him it was the assassin's. if I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
Well 39 back then wasn't really short I guess, turns out rather average overall. "17th-century English life expectancy was only about 35 years, largely because infant and child mortality remained high. Life expectancy was under 25 years in the early Colony of Virginia, and in seventeenth-century New England, about 40 per cent died before reaching adulthood."
You misunderstand how "averages" work, the part you quoted even disproves what you said before it; due to infant and child mortality being high, life expectancy averaged 35. That doesn't mean the average person lived to 35, that just means, that counting everyone who died before 1, 2, 3, etc. it brings the actual life expectancy down to 35. In reality, even in medieval times and earlier, people lives well into their 60's and above, so long as they survived until they were adults in the first place.
You people are forgetting Peter Easton. Easton was so powerful no one could stand against him. Easton eventually retired with two million pounds of gold
Missed Ching Shih 1775-1844 (arguably the most successful pirate) commanded over 300 ships manned by 20,000 to 40,000 pirates. She eventually retired, kept her loot, and opened a gambling house. died in 1844, at the age of 69.
I'm currently playing through Assassins Creed II (Got it free through MS' Games with Gold). I'm very much enjoying it, and I am curious if I should get this one to play. Any thoughts?
Andrew Miller I ended up getting it and AC: Brotherhood + Revelations :). I'm quite enjoying Brotherhood right now. I do not currently own a Current Gen console, but I will be getting one soon and plan on buying Unity!
+TobiSaysHi i started a new game once i was not happy with my progress so i started a new game again and did alot more... great game here here.haaaaaarrr matey.
then Edward cried out to blackbeard and cried his eyes out saying black beard your the biggest fattest most hideous pirate I have ever seen there is none like you blackbeard.
Pirates wore eye patches quite regularly. but not to hide missing eyes, they used it for low light vision below deck. By shielding one eye from light while in sunlight they simply moved the patch to the other eye t see perfectly in a dark environment, a ships hull for instance. Eye patches are very accurate.
well its a given that you have treasure chests or something because it IS a video game and you do have to have a way to get money sooo what do you expect
YES! THANK YOU! SOMEONE DID THIER HOMEWORK! And I love how you included the eyepatch method. It is true and I'm pretty sure some sailor or ship person still does that. Also,if you own a boat big enough to have a hull,why not have lights? And I love how you included the ridiculous amount of chests and how they hold so much loot. REALLY? WHO PUTS A CHEST IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE? And yes,there is buried treasure in Assassin's Creed 4:Black Flag. There was this island with a shipwreck,and next to a skeleton was a conveniently placed shovel. Hmm,I wonder what that sword is doing in the ground? Dig under it with the shovel. Boom. 150 gold. Not worth finding that tiny island.
ugh, Pirates did bury their treasure to keep it safer than on their ships and if they didn't die they go back to the co-ordinates of the map to claim their treasure to buy
Just so you know, Stede Bonnet was one of the few pirates who actually made poeple walk the plank and you do meet him in the game, so there would have been a chance that somebody could have walked the plank. Though, of what i know, nobody actually walked the plank in AC4 (Please correct me if i'm wrong)
but. but. You just admitted virtually everything in your list has happened at least once. Even the parrot thing… who says a couple pirates in history didn't have parrots? Isn't the Assassin's Creed franchise known for showing "history how it was, not how we were taught"? So the writers could write off almost every "debunk" in this list as instances that happened that weren't recorded. Peg legs DID happen. They may have been rare, but they certainly weren't unheard of. So why is this even on the list? At all? All you said was "it's rare." If one man in 100 lost a leg, and every 1 in 10 survived, that means you have at least a few pirates with peg legs. Gah, you guys annoy me.
Whatever. I think they're just being buzzkills. I haven't gotten too far into the game but so far I haven't seen a whole lot of parrots and peg legs. I'm guessing maybe 1 or 2 characters? And a parrot on the shoulder could be quite the status symbol of wealth.
The stereotypical pirate accent is pretty spot on, except Blackbeard was known for that accent of his due to the very high likelihood he was born and raised in Bristol where the accent had originated from. Still though, the way it was popularized and blown out of proportions in Treasure Island is very true, but it was still a real thing, just more isolated than people realize.
PotC at least gave a range of accents in AWE, when they showed the "Pirates Lords". In fact the only one who really had the classic "Arrh, me matey!" accent was Barbossa.
Another strong reason that not many peg legs were in use is because the lack of modern medicine and antibiotics led to very few people actually surviving an amputation. Depending on the time period common practice was to cauterize the wound with hot irons or dip the stump in boiling oil. in the late 1600s a French surgeon started using a concoction of eggs, rose petals and turpentine as a paste over the wound and found that more people survived this treatment than other methods.
Successful pirate examples? Sir Francis Drake, a privateer (legal pirate by the British law), managed to acquire quite a bounty for the queen, he got to keep a large share. Though, he died of dysentery, a common seamens' illnes, but can it count as dying cause your crimes didn't pay off?
See this is what AC4 did right. They started the game of happily with all the pirates happily plundering ships then out of no where everyone either dies or with betrays you, and it's all very sudden. It shows that piracy doesn't pay.
+GoodwinGhost Unless it's modern "piracy" which is apparently incredibly successful in many cases as long as you don't do it for a very long time or the federal government will kick in your front door.
+Purple Turtle I mean the unemployed forty year olds with their little 95 or XP in their mother's basement. Or the twenty, thirty some year old cubicle worker with ripped CDs all over his house.
+The Devil's Successors I am coming in late for this but yes there are times were modern piracy can be successful ether being a land pirate. A pirate that goes around hijacking tractor trailers carrying very valuable goods even clothing that can be worth over 200,000 dollars because they are made by a certain person. But then there is the Sea Pirate, sailing the seven seas that attack ships and can be found around Africa and around Asia but good chance the military or the coast guard will come for you. And in truth back then its rarely said but there are and were pirates that were very very successful. Its just we do not talk about them just the ones that died.
I cried at the end when that one girl was singing....
I still remember that part, I enjoyed the ending of the game as Edward sees all of his dead pirate comrades before meeting his young daughter for the first time. That to me seems to be one of Assassin Creeds best series moments
So if I download the game illegally, I can be a pirate too.
damn
Andrew Shaw I just called the cops
Thanks for calling th cops 😚
Andrew Shaw HAHAHAHAHAHA
They were practically asking me to torrent it. It's about pirates, and the future character works for an evil game company.
I had to pause the video to take the time to appreciate the term "Supernatural battle pope"
The power of Christ compels you with lasers!
Arrow Sith Lord Not really compelling, though.
Tamaki742 But it sure looks cool.
Tamaki742 "This is The End" Reference? XD
Michelle Unis Yeah lol
The only instance I saw of an eyepatch was Stede Bonnet using one when he was Blackbeard's apprentice, but then I think at that point Ubisoft was more parodying modern pirate tropes more than anything because at that point, Stede was way in over his head and was trying to act like a hard ass when he was really as soft as a cushion. You can find buried treasure with treasure maps. And while pretty much all the pirates were depicted as successful, they did eventually die.
Actually, I found them all to be pretty unsuccesful. All the pirates that stayed pirates ended up dead, as in history, and Edward was headed the same way, until he found true meaning in his life. Anne escaped the gallows but had to abandon piracy in the end (as some historians speculate that happened in real life).
***** Ironically enough, Stede was the only one who didn't end up dead in the end without giving up piracy, but mostly because he was more of a merchant pirate than anything.
Suitaloo Stede Bonnet was killed, but in the game he just vanishes. Though you can find his treasure that was around historically in one of the DLCs. Hanged by the neck until dead, and in real life accounts some people were moved to tears in his remorse at the very end
In the "To Suffer Without Dying Mission" you overhear two guards talking about Stede Bonnet's death
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The most successful pirate in history was both Chinese and a woman. Ching Shih (who lived 1775-1844) was essentially a pirate ADMIRAL, commanding somewhere between 300 and 1,800 ships. Eventually after terrorizing the South Chinese Sea for so long that the Chinese government basically surrendered to her. Ching was allowed to keep her massive loot and peacefully retired.
Not during golden age, your argument is invalid lel
ACTUALY it's exactly in the golden age of piracy
+Saleh ALShami The golden age of piracy was in the early 1700's, not 1800's.
+thegreatmoustachio Wasn't it early 1600's?
+Dustin Davis One could argue that it lasted from 1650-1730, though the "golden age" as most people know it only lasted from 1715-1725.
AC4 is one of the best video games ever created, and certainly the pirate game.
+VivaToddVegas Easily the best AC game
"Best" pirate game, I meant to type.
true,I can't stop playing it
isn't the best AC game.AC2 is the best (Rating,Story,Fighting mod,Controls,Realist play)
EuSuntPaul Ratings aren't everything. And compared to following games, no the fighting, controls and realistic gameplay only got better as the games progressed....except maybe for revelations in my opinion. And when it comes to story that tends to be a bit more of a matter of opinion.
A lot of pirates actually did retire with riches and an army of ships under their command. But like most modern professional athletes, they had no idea how to budget themselves and ran out of riches quickly. Since appearing in infomercials wasn't an option back then, they had no choice but to go back to pirating, a choice that got them killed 100% of the time. The few that didn't would get offered pardons by the government and a job in the navy if they came out of hiding. If they showed up to accept the deal, they got led straight to the gallows.
+Joe Smith then again so is killing people for their loot
+chris long it's called survival
thats what happened to blackbeard as far as i know.
I know one. That Pirates only carried one pistol. Historically that was very inaccurate.
Pirates were clever bastards. They'd customize their ships to improve their performance in battle, make stink bombs so effective that the crew on victim ships would actually jump overboard to get away from the stench, Kinda an 16th century tear gas grenade.
Oh and Pirates knew reloading flintlocke pistols were a pain in the ass so they'd actually tie several pre loaded pistols around their neck. In short they'd grab a gun dangling by their neck shoot let go grab another gun shoot rinse and repeat.
This of course may explain why some Pirates were very good at capturing ships.
Also the List is a lil wrong in terms of the buried treasure. Blackbeard actually did bury treasure. You have to remember this is long before the concept of modern money laundering existed. So obviously the more notorious Pirates and Pirate captains would hide their wealth however they could and yes this did include burring it. Captain Kidd did it also as a bargaining chip idea though it did fail.
In Blackbeard's cause however he did retire once, but did return to Piracy. Remember back than entertainment and excitement wasn't nearly as obtainable as it was today. And as dangerous and life threatening as Piracy was it was definitely exciting. So When Blackbeard left retirement to return he dug up his treasure.
With that inside Blackbeard did actually at one point retire to enjoy his wealth like alot of people fantasize Pirates being successful. Heck the returning of Piracy wasn't due to need of more wealth but just contempt with the boring retirement he had experience. This actually makes Blackbeard more interesting since he'd rather die doing what he loved (Pirating) than just sip drinks at a Mansion.
Captain Kidd was most known for the buried treasure. However he wasn't the only Pirate known to have buried treasure. The difference is if you were hoping to dig up Blackbeard's treasure. Sorry Blackbeard beat ya too it.
masterjim23 yea like when you craft the pistol holster, you carry 4 pistols at once and u pressed LB or L2 (depending the console) to reload all of them after you shot your bullets
masterjim23 See, I'd say that was especially clever, except carrying multiple braces of pistols into combat wasn't something they came up with. It was a commonplace strategy.
Benjamin Fargason Sure it was a commonplace strategy but it did give them an edge over merchant ships. Trading ships were specialized in hauling as much Cargo as possible. Trading ship crews simply bought Goods at Port A where it was low then sail and sell to Port B. As the focus of most merchant ships of the time was to keep costs low to maximize profits in trades it was uncommon for merchants ships to be well armed in way of either cannon or firearms in the hands of the crew.
The Smarter navy ship crews likely utilized the same strategy. My point was the common mental image of a pirate with a Cutlass and a single pistol is highly inaccurate.
The actual pirates as I explained did everything they could to improve their ability and gain every edge in battle they could. Pirates Made money three basic ways. First they robbed ships for Cargo they can use/sell. Since Pirates didn't actually buy their goods the offer price when they reach a port was of lil concern. The second method pirate's earned money was through the sale of captured ships. Well fleets of Pirates did happen they were typically small fleets. Most the time a Pirate ship fleet did exist it consisted of a flag primary ship. While some if not all the secondary ships are merely captured vessels to carry excess Cargo or might be the Cargo in the form of captured ships they would sell.
The third method of income was mercenary work. Pirates were a bit more then just thieves. Yes they stole but they did a bit more then that. Pirates often had to fight hostiles rather it was a Navy, other Pirates or stubborn merchant ship crews. Pirates on a ship to ship comparison were comparable to navy ships in some cases superior for a while. That means they made for excellent Mercenary Navy forces.
In the Revolutionary war the Patriot's Naval force consisted almost entirely of Pirates working as mercenaries. Hell the very first ships of the US Navy were actually captured British ships that were either stolen from colonial ports or captured at sea by Pirates under the employ of the continental navy.
masterjim23 I thought it was total bullshit that the game limited you to 4 pistols. COME ON GAME, I expect at LEAST 6 IF NOT MORE. They even say that a pirate MUST be judged by how many pistols of what quality he has strapped to his chest.
masterjim23 yep, infamous black beard carried 6 pistols on his shoulder belt
That's not really true. If you recall the Pirate Lords of The Pirates of The Carribean, the Pirate Lord of the Pacific Ocean Mistress Ching is based from the most successful pirate Zheng Shi. She was a prostitute who then married a pirate and after her husband died, she took over his fleet. She had about 1,800 ships and her crew consisted of 80,000 people. The Chinese Navy tried to capture her but they failed so many times they gave up. In the end she retired, kept her loot, and opened a gambling house.
And Chang Pao ,her husband .He had his loot cave near where I live, Hong Kong .
Wing Fung Cheung Whoa, cool!
Looked it up. Awesome story. Thx for sharing.
I think the main point was the Pirates during the golden age of piracy and in the Caribbean and Zheng Li was slightly after the golden age and was located in asia.
There's also Henry Morgan, the guy Captain Morgan rum is named after. He was pretty successful and died a governor. Although he was around a century before AC4 took place.
One pirate punishment I heard of is that, they would put you on a deserted island with no animals and no trees for shade. As they put you on the island, they gave you a bottle of rum and a loaded pistol. You had two choices, die from starvation or take yourself out. I heard that this was true and pirates actually did this.
John Casey That process was called being marooned.
If you include "privateers" Captain Morgan seems to have had a long life capturing pretty much everything and looting the crap out of and lived to a ripe old age of 53 before dying of some kind of disease.
And, that quite literally was a ripe old age, unless you were a surprisingly healthy scholarly type who managed to stay out of trouble and plagues for more than 60 years. I say scholarly because since Socrates (over 80, 2,500 years ago), they always seemed to live longer as a demographic than labourers, while the aristocracy tended towards heart and liver issues, gout, STDs, and complications from inbreeding. 50+ for a pirate? Hell, that was ancient.
This is the only Assassin's Creed game I've ever played and it was awesome, with me doing many explorations and destroying ships left and right...until everything went to shit with poor Blackbeard and then after what happened to Mary it was suddenly really sad and angry which ended up with me saying "Fuck exploring!" and finishing the game quite fast and enjoying every time I killed a soldier.
NightStar787 Both being real pirates actually had incredibly accurate deaths. Mary Reed, or James Kidd died in prison from a fever after pregnancy, and Blackbeard died from a ship ambush. I was really impressed how they incorporated it into the game.
Jeremy McRae True and I do commend them for that...but that still doesn't make me feel any better.
NightStar787 hehe same here, I loved the game at the start, sailing around plundering and pirating until everything went to shit in the story and pretty much everyone died... Black Flag was an awesome pirate game, but the assassin thing was kinda boring (maybe I'm just tired of assassins :p), so when Edward joined the assassin order it kinda felt like the game didn't make sense anymore, and that Edward had become such a civilized British noble... Especially with the ending where he sails away to England with a bloody daugter, then taking young Haytham to a theatre... WTF, why did you make Edward into a woozy English lord??? Also, the ending doesn't make sense as after the credits and after Edward goes to England, you're suddenly back in the West Indies for completionist sandbox purposes... And finally, I miss Adéwalé :(
The-Kris555 I know right? But if you think about it the ending did kind of make sense. I mean, everything went to shit and he made that promise to Mary that he'd change and also with no one that he loved supporting him he kind of just went blah so joining the Assassin's did make sense seeing as he finally decided to change and stop being so obsessed with being greedy.
Plus he couldn't exactly be a good father to his daughter if he stayed a pirate so it made sense to change and return to being a citizen. Although yeah, unless you were paying attention to the game telling you what year it was when you started some missions it seemed like everything went really fast when in fact it took a number of years for all that shit to happen.
NightStar787 Yeah, I mean Edward probably made the right choice - realizing his wrongs and how many people had died because of him, especially now that he had a daughter - so story-wise it was pretty good, I just think it's a shame that he stopped pirating :P
I always thought the idea of pirates burying their treasure was moronic.
First Mate- "Hey Captain! What are we gonna spend all this gold and Jewels on?"
Captain- "Well lads, let's use it to buy a really expensive hole in the ground."
First Mate- "Why not just dig the hole ourselves and throw the gold in to save us the effort?"
It's just a shame that the first mate was being sarcastic and no one caught on. Presumably because he was suffering a bad case of walking the plank or keelhauling or parrot syndrome or some other stupid pirate myth nonsense, I dunno. But I sincerely doubt they were doing anything with their chests of gold other then spending it or dumping it in a big pile and rolling around in it.
***** Yeah I get that. Gotta protect your booty after all but I mean come on, how big is a treasure chest in comparison to a ship hull? So I doubt it happened as often as people think. I'd say it's more that they dumped it, then got rid of their crap then came back and got it instead of the stereotypical "Let's go bury our treasure and leave it at that!" strawman pirate fantasy that Hollywood has concocted.
Sometimes loot was buried accidentally, not by pirates but by the weather. I mean, if a ship went down close to land, some of its cargo could easily wash up onshore and gradually get covered by sand.
tsubaki410 Makes sense
*+tsubaki410* Yes, but then there's the map part of the myth.
No map could be made to find a treasure noone knows where is.
Henrik Klingenberg I figured that went without saying.
What about Ching Shih ? She had a huge fleet with a practical hierarchy, established her own code and made sure it was respected, successfuly faced the navy of various countries numerous times, successfully negotiated with authorities. She did piracy for about 40 years before retiring and opening her own gambling hosue and died of old age. She might not be the most famous but in my book she's definitly the most successful
1800 men retired with her money idd say she was the biggest success the woman was bad ass.
Unfortunately Edward was killed by templar assassins sent by reginald birch after he retired in his own home. It's not a spoiler since the game doesn't even show it and ubisoft made it up before black flag released
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***** Yep most of them are control freaks and want to dominate people. What's fucked up is Birch brainwashed him when he was really young
***** GIMME A FRIKKEN SPOILER WARNING, I read 2 seconds of that and immediately screamed spoiler
A6yearoldgamer It is not a spoiler, if you read forsaken you would know...
isn't it a bit ironic that it was Templar 'assassin's'?
"They are sick at having unstolen treasures" - I acutally laughed at this point :)
I disagree with the last point. There were many successful pirates (long term) such as those who aided certain nations in their pillaging. The welsh pirate Henry Morgan for example raided Spanish settlements and was rewarded with a knighthood by the English crown.
Captain Morgan. So he made the best rum ever?
dims are called privateers
he wasn't a pirate he was a privateer
He was both: many of his raids and attacks were not done under English orders.
He was indeed both, plundered whatever he pleased and took credit for killing the king's enemies when he could. He retired as the Governor of Jamaica and died of drinking too much rum. I'm sure that's the perfect ending for any aspiring pirate.
I've seen the Captain Morgan brought up a LOT in the comments. To answer the question "Wasn't Captain Morgan successful?" Yes, yes he was. But calling him a successful pirate perhaps isn't the best labeling as he was a privateer for his entire career. The distinction between pirate and privateer is an important one as privateers have the backing of a crown power where as pirates do not.
he was still a pirate in the eyes of anyone not english.
Most pirates called themselves privateers, and for Henry, he was the one, that got away, when he retired from privateering, he became the governor of Jamaica.
You're not a privateer without a letter of marquee. The point is, he fought for one side, that side rewarded him. That said there were probably a decent amount of successful lesser known pirates who took pardons. But for the most part he most successful pirates were caught or killed. I don't consider Morgan part of that because he was always working for the British.
BoredDan except for when he wasn't. he violated a 1670 peace treaty between england and spain when he sacked panama in order to cover the cost of his debts to the crown, openly causing an international incident. he was brought up on piracy charges but SOMEHOW managed to claim he had no knowledge of the treaty, and england's relations with spain were collapsing at the time, so they just didn't care. after relations tanked he was knighted.
regardless, though, if he worked for england spain and france would have hanged him as a pirate, the difference was only a piece of paper, and that paper only mattered to one Country, to everyone else, you were still a pirate.
They might be hung, they might be treated as prisoners of war, depending who captures them :p The point is he was successful not as a pirate, but as a privateer. The panama incident was interesting, but at the end of the day the crown decided he was "innocent" and so in their eyes he was never a pirate. For him to have a safe place to successfully retire, that is important and that's why the distinction is important.
wait....pirates of caribbean was not real?? :O so the octopus head thing doesn't exist?? :O
Seal Over im pretty sure you are sacrastic
Neophyte Regglare no..i'm as serious as i can be , so yeah , you're right
lol it's funny
Seal Over the flying dutchman ghost story is a myth but the ship did really excist they just sailed of and never returned and other sailers told people they saw the ghost ship who was returned from the dead or something
Alex but the captain did really exist
While not really the golden age of piracy, Henry Morgan can really be called the most successful pirate/privateer of all time, since he actually did retire, and became governor of Jamaica. And was rich. And was also Welsh like Kenway, which is pretty cool.
Accturely Anne Bonny was a real pirarte and she got to reteir
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Well if you asked the French and Spanish fleets at the time I think they'd have called him a pirate, if either of them had won the major conflicts of the time I think history would have remembered him as a pirate instead of a privateer. The victors write history my friend, if you take history as a whole into account he was both. Besides, privateer was just a pirate on a payroll, though I do see your point.
SalvageB292 I always found privateers worse than pirates. They're essentially pirates with a kingdom (whether it be the British, French, etc.) backing them up. That's the cheatiest cheating I've ever heard!
dIRECT0R Actually, your interpretation of the golden age pirates isn't entirely accurate. History is determined by the victor is easily applied here. Piracy was actually a revolution, pirates, like the famous Ed "Blackbeard" Thatch, and many others, simply wanted free trade, to buy and sell goods without tax from the crown. While it is true innocent people died, they were simply a victim of circumstance, and Pirates normally boarded ships, killed those who stood their ground, and gave quarter to those who asked for it. Normally the only time all men died, was when a ship continued to fight until it's final sinking, in which case, the sinking of the ship would create a downward force dragging anyone on board the ship down with it. While sunk ships were often, Pirates preferred to avoid sinking a ship because spices, like sugar, were worthless if they were wet, and it was much easier to transfer cargo from two ships still floating, then sending men down to the bottom of the ocean just to get a few hundred reals(Have no idea how to spell it). Pirates gave quarter because it gave them fame, fame gave them more influence, especially when you were as feared as Blackbeard was. Fear and intimidation caused merchant ships to surrender when famous ships, like the Queen Anne's revenge, sailed within cannon range. Why kill a witness, when they can make you out to be a demonic force of nature. People were very superstitious at this time, and to even sell his devilish reputation, Blackbeard would mix Gunpowder in his rum, and stick lit fuses in his beard. Think about how much stronger a reputation is, than a weapon. It's considerably more effective than just cold steel, and Cannon balls. Besides, passengers were rarely carried on cargo ships, if you could afford to sail without actually working, why put yourself in the cross hairs of a Pirate by sailing with valuable cargo.
yes I like Mr. Morgan's legacy in Rum, quite successful
Crew member: “THE CANNONS BE READY CAPTAIN”
Captain: “ARE”
I love how Assassin's Creed hardly has any of these tropes.
Aaai! :D
talking like a pirate is a cheat in the game
it's pretty funny, every now and then Edward yells. AVAST YE SCURVY DOG!
Actually the damaged eye covered with a patch was really common. Pirates were punished or injured in battle in their eye area. Patches fixed the unsightly factor of a eye socket. And the peg leg was a true thing too. Pirates needed to stay fit to be sucessful. A "bum" leg was very bad. So mostly they sawed off and replaced the bad leg, sometimes with wood.
And a hook for a hand was also possible, but rare.
Also, it was fairly common to use a "peg" as a splint in necessary times of attack/defend. This would go BESIDE the leg, instead of swapping a leg FOR it.
Where is the hooks insead of hands myth xD?
Some pirates, especially of the highly religious golden age, would have cared very much about committing murder. Many were completely content to avoid a fight when pure intimidation would do, and surrender was often met with honorable terms.
Regular sailors were often offered the chance to join the pirate crew (and many happily accepted). Officers and gentlemen were often ransomed back to their families. Later pirates became increasingly cruel and vicious, but it was not always necessarily the case.
Pirates would care about committing murder, they have stolen things, and yes killed people for it involving there own crew members but it's harder to be hung if there's no evidence you killed someone on your ship, walking the plank is less messy and its technically suicide
they do have buried treasure in the game but its not a major part of the story. just a little side collectable you could do, since the game has a lot but it was fun going out and finding buried treasures. makes you feel like a pirate, even if it is a bit cliche
ikr its pretty cool because i think that peaple would bury ther treasure
anthony welch To be honest most of the pirate's wealth was counted not only in gold, but also in food, cattle, ships and other things, so it is hard to bury and not lose it's value.
@@filipniemier8300 that's funny
Fun fact: ubisoft considerd bringing the hookblade back for ac4, but decided against it at the end to avoid stereotype.
That would have been really funny
Their version of success is different than my version of success lol.... If you leave legacy, legend, an live well that's a damned successful pirate life. Old age doesn't mean success lol.
+Nikolai aye Nikolai
+Deadie Masters
Aye
+Nikolai More or less how Black Bart saw it, at least in the game. Not entirely sure how the real him saw it though. And if this were the case, well then Blackbeard is the most successful pirate in history given he's the one pirate almost everyone knows about, despite the vast majority of what is "known" about him was pure fabrication on his part.
It is worth mentioning that there was actually a recorded instance of a pirate losing an eye and wearing an eye patch, but he was a Barbary Pirate by the name of Rahmah ibn Jabir al-Jalahimah.
Ever heard of Francois l'Olonnais? This game's intro says Kenway is fearsome as hell... look up that guy. He chewed on a guys heart to intimidate his comrades into showing him an escape route. Fucked up dude...
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Chinese have a full cook book for human flesh (human meat was called "2 leg goat"), and human meat was also commonly used as army ration in the age of war and chaos. And Chinese bandits are still performing such action until 1930s (human liver soup as a cure for hangover)... Chewed on 1 man's heart? That is like kids play =_="
Vostadues Thats fucking disturbing...
Vostadues Holy crud, are you serious? Not even a little embellishing?
Joel Walden
Embellishing? Which part of this topic can be made to "look good"? One of the punishment set by ancient Chinese lawmaker Gao Yao was to have the criminal roasted and served as food. And this is just a tiny bit of it, cannibalism have long been used as a mean of punishment for crime in China, and bandits also use it as a way to show off their power. Those are things that you will need to do it repeatedly to build up fear, and if everyone get their pants wet because someone ate "1" man's heart... What a bunch of wimpssy!!
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Cannibals? They better pray that I don't get them first... I do got a medicine balm recipe that require bones and fat from tribesman, and it is good for joint pain.
SPOILER: Edward Kenway had a pretty stupid death. He was killed by mercenaries...So after killing ace combat skilled british, templars etc. He was killed by a band of mercenaries. So you're telling me a bunch of mercenaries sent by templars is harder then fleets of ships, countless armed guards, templars etc? It makes no sense to me? But he had to die someway or Haythem would have never became a templar mucking up the intended story.
Getting old sucks... it takes a lot out of you. And back then, 42 was pretty freakin' old. Even by the 1930's, most men were dead by 40. Look it up.
Jamie41963 That's not true. It's the life expectancy that was around 40 years but that's due to the extremely poor healthcare and very high infant mortality rate. Basically, if you made it till the age of 10, you were very likely to live up to 70 years. Unless, of course, you got killed. In that case you'd die younger.
Jan Polaczek ",,,,due to the extremely poor healthcare..."
You also need to understand that back then, doctors didn't understand the role stress played on the human body... Both physical and psychological stress.
Someone who'd been through what Edward had wouldn't have a long life span. And the scars and old injuries alone would make him a cripple by age 50.
Take it from someone who's made it more than a half a century, and still can't be helped by modern medicine... you WILL pay for what you do in your youth. Folks back then lived hard and died hard. And usually quite early.
Of course, most of you reading this won't do jack shit in your youth, past sit in front of a computer. So you'll probably live to be 100., even though you've never really lived at all.
Yeah I know the life expectancy of back then but a death from mere mercenaries is pretty stupid
He would of died lots of time in the game anyway like jumping on veiwpoints (because a bale of hay would not save your life) and getting shot and stabbed by soldiers.
I like this game as a pirate game not an assassin's creed game.
Raptor Gawd
Well thats good,because AC4 wasnt much of an Assassins Creed Game. Yes it does have the AC logo but its like putting A coke into a pepsi bottle, just because it has the skin of pepsi doesnt make it pepsi.
Actually after beating it, I really liked it. You didn't just become an assassin instantly, you earned the respect of the order and slowly gained their trust and then was welcomed in.
Raptor Gawd I honestly liked that a lot more. We've already played through starting as an assassin a few times. It was a nice change.
Dont we all?
Raptor Gawd Me too, I only played the main story and the legendary ships. I have so much money now I feel like retiring from the game lol
No mention of the best pirate ever, Henry Morgan? He not only was successful at piracy, but got knighted and was granted a government job in Jamaica as well.
Morgan was more privateer than pirate, and had been dead for about thirty years at the beginning of Black Flag. But yes, he is a rare exception; one of the few men in his line of work who died in his bed.
Yeah it was in the season pass as one of the extra islands you could go to
ThePublicDominion whats the difference between pirates and privateers.
Basically privateers had letters of marque from one or more countries, giving them dispensation to attack the enemies of that country. Since Europe was involved in a great many conflicts during the seventeenth century, they didn't have a lot of manpower to spare in the Caribbean. So they'd hire local captains to attack their enemies for them. Pirates just attacked whoever they wanted.
ThePublicDominion
Aye!
Well Edward did have his Edward the Legend outfit which had a some-what version of an eyepatch and one of the cheats makes Edward talk in cliches phrases.
well, the cheats don't really count, its a animus feature i think, not the memory it self
Leandro Azevedo Yeah but I'm just saying they have it.
Fun fact: In real life, Bart Robert died from a piece of grape shot to the throat immediately after getting changed into fine clothing to fight in a battle that could only end in defeat. (grape shot was used to clear the decks of ships, it was a collection of small sharp objects such as broken glass and jagged metal fired from a cannon.)
Ironic that he's name the "sage"
Someone already mentioned this, but you all forgot Henry Morgan, who technically fell under privateer, but let's face it, privateer's were basically just the mercenary version of pirates, who worked for one government in particular. But in 1680, he led a massive force of 1,700 pirates against the Spanish City of Panama. Due to this, he was knighted, and died peacefully in his plantation in Jamaica, surrounded by loved ones.
There's also Sir Francis Drake, the English Privateer who circumnavigated the globe just to escape a Spanish Fleet chasing him, before returning to England. He also was knighted and led England's rather successful defense against the Spanish Armada.
And of course, Mary Read and Anne Bonny, the two infamous female pirates who sailed under Calico Jack's command. These were two of the fiercest pirates you'd ever face on the open seas, but were spared execution due to being pregnant when Calico Jack and his crew were captured. Sadly Mary Read died of fever/complications giving birth to her child, while Anne Bonny simply disappears from the history books.
One mans Pirate is another mans Privateer.
Michael Gankin Not necessarily true. Privateers are basically men who are not part of a countries navy, but they are fighting the enemies of that country for them. They loot and pillage and such like pirates, but they never target the ships of their patron country, and give a percentage of the riches they earn back to whoever they're working for.
Pirates work for no one but themselves. They attack anyone they want, take whatever they want, and answer to no one but themselves.
You can say all Privateers are Pirates, but not all Pirates are Privateers.
Pirates attack trade ships, most of the were spanish at the time due to Spains immense power, and therefore a big target. When I said one mans pirate is another mans privateer i meant that it doesnt matter who the pirates raid, its that who they raid might make that country think they're pirates, but a country that is at war with the one that the Pirates attack aknowledge them and think the pirates helped them
Michael Gankin But then those same countries would still go after Pirates willingly. Even if a pirate attacks ships belonging to their enemies, they would go after that pirate because they were criminals, and it was their job to hunt them down. Hence why saying that one man's pirate is another man's privateer isn't entirely true.
TechLeafRanger They wouldn't go after pirates unless they attacked them or their allies. If they go after their enemies then the Royal Navy of the enemy country would help hunt them down unless they attacked them as well
Number 7 is way too true... :'(
This may count as a spoiler, but be warned that Edward Kenway is one of a select few who end AC4 in a better state than when the game started
Off the side, or in buckets.
Then there's the myth that pirates are sexy.
Bostaffninja88 Perpetrated by Johnny Depp
Bostaffninja88 Look at Anne Bonny... *perv smile*
Hipstersaurus Rex There is Also James Kidd who Is also Mary Read.
Finally, someone else who thinks mary read is hot!
Mike Hofilena
XBrossive Aggro
You guys know they only told that she's a woman at the middle of the game? You found her hot back there when 'she was a man' too?
Mythbusters actually confirmed that the eyepatches could've been used for nightvision. It was a pretty awesome episode.
which episode i want to see it
Edward Kenway himself didn't exist, he's a video game character. But incorporating Templars and Assassin's is itself inaccurate because they stopped existing after the crusades. Adding Pirates as a 3rd faction was quite a brilliant idea though.
There's a myth that Freemasons claim Templar lineage but it's not true. They borrowed Templar symbols but that's about it. The Freemasons and Templars are separated by 400 years.
Haha I didn't know about that one. I'll keep that in mind but I won't take it as actual proof because this is TH-cam. Adding Templars to AC2 and AC brotherhood was a good idea too because the pope called the crusaders to fight. The knights templar are much more popular in history, the assassins were talking about were very obscure. It was the sultunate that pushed the crusaders away from the holy lands after their only succesful crusade.
Corvo Attano
I was just making note that the idea that the Templars are gone isn't universal - though the AC version of the Templars are too far removed from reality.
corvo you could kill edward
wait... I thought the knights templar still DID exist. (correct me if I'm wrong) It was renamed to the freemasons. And another thing, didn't Hitler and some of the nazis actually WEAR a knight's templar pin?
According to AC4 (spoilers) Charles Vane wasn't hanged, but was killed by Edward after going insane on a deserted island.
Assassin's Creed isn't all that historically accurate. The Assassins died off in the 13th Century and the Templars disbanded long before the Enlightenment. Oh, and Blackbeard's name is Teach, not Thatch. I don't know why they changed his name.
actually blackbeards name is not factually known, only a few records have been found and these show many different names, also, the assassins vs templars part is just a good story to incorporate into many historical parts, secret societies and all, and they never meant it to be based on fact, just a fun abridgment of history
Well it is a video game, it has to have video-game elements. Like obviously the Templar's aren't using a modern-day business to carry out their work even into the modern era, hidden blades didn't exist, and one man isn't going to win a one-vs-100 man fight.
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The Freemasons were free-thinkers. Their philosophy was similar to the Assassins, but they weren't in any way related to them.
And don't get me wrong, I love Assassin's Creed. It's one of my favorite series. But I sort of chuckled when they emphasized that the games are great on historical accuracy. For one thing, they made Machiavelli older than Ezio when, factually, Machiavelli was born in 1469 which would make him 10 years younger than Ezio. Obviously this was just an age mix up and it really wasn't a problem for me. Also, Rodrigo Borgia died of natural causes. He was not murdered by his son. And Mary Read's male name probably wasn't James Kidd. We don't have any information on her male name, actually. But she did die in prison.
they dont claim the battle between templars and assassins was happening at the time. its has to have some unrealistic features, just like an apple that can kill multiple people at a time and there's a machine that records the past through your dna and there's juno and what ever you call the other one.
I'm disappointed no one actually mentioned Anne Bonny and Mary Read, especially considering Bonny disappeared and lived to a ripe old age.
There is a cheat you can enable to make it so he does talk like a pirate.
which cheat is that pls tell
LPyourplay I don't remember what it was called, but it's normally the first one you unlock.
NINJAASSASSINGAMERZ ik what it is,
Myth: Pirates used grand ships.
Fact: Pirates used small sloop's because of their speed. That Blackbeard took the Concord, a slaveship was at the time unheard of. This was the ship he renamed Queen Anne's Revenge.
Myth: Pirates had grand fights on sea shooting with cannon's at their victims.
Fact: Most of the fight was the chase, where the victim tried to escape. The better seaman would decide if the pirates caught up or not. And we're not talking about just a few hours of chase here ;)
Pirates actually were not ruthless murderers, they tried to keep there hostages alive unless they actually needed to do for what ever reasons.
thats why they should make a Assassin's Creed about Vikings. so you wouldn't have to feel bad when you slay everyone :)
if anyone has watched the TV series "Vikings", give Ragnar Lothbrok a hidden blade and a hoodie.. there we have the next great Assassin...
Marcus Tjernström vikings are probably least likely to be featured in assassins creed as they have never been known for the practice of assassination as they preferred mortal combat nd moreover assassins have to be stealthy nd yet mix in with the crowd if the viking was in a foreign land he would stick out like a sore thumb nd lets face it if he was in his homeland assassinations would be impossible as 1 not possible to be stealthy while covered in kilos of cumbersome pelts 2 no roofs or proper architecture to use as is customary for assassins creed games
MrBloodlust97 Vikings weren't all in Scandinavia, you know. In fact one of the biggest and most widespread traders at the time were vikings. Plus you have the Varangian guard in Byzantium, The Nordic invasions of England, the creation of Novgorod, etc. Also: vikings weren't "covered in kilos of cumbersome pelts" any more than someone else who lived in a cold area. Vikings were all over the world, and if anything they would stick out less than Connor does.
Andro Nom Yes true! you gave me hope for a VIking assassin again :D
Andro Nom while i agree that the vikings spread greatly however they became more civilised in the regions they travelled to and often assimilated into native culture so seamlessly that u couldnt tell one from the other thus making the whole theme effectively redundant as the whole point would be to have a character that stands true to stereotypical viking behaviour. plus the pelts were used by early vikings to protect from storms which prevented them from performing the agility centered moves of an assassins and since its coustomary for ubisoft to have a historically accurate setting even if the story takes liberties its highly improbable if not impossible for there to a viking assassin although it would be awesome to have a an independent viking game
Madam Chang was succesful and died at the age of 69 of old age, she retired and made a bar.
The blackbeard bit is a little misleading, He was very much successful, the issue was that he also spent money like a king, and had to keep returning to piracy after spending all of his riches. If he had been a little more savvy with his spending, he could have lived out his days in north carolina if he wanted to, where the governor was willing to ignore his piracy in exchange for a bit of grease on his palms.
As far as pirates go, its easy to admire Teach, its just a shame that his wisdom failed him in such a way it got him killed.
Also there is a long history of female pirates retiring without incident. Sometimes with riches, sometimes not, but its not surprising they were able to get away with it considering their ability to essentially transform into different people.
+mike mikeson The reason that Blackbeard is easy to admire for a pirate is actually because of his conviction to the cause... while he did it for the gold, what was really attractive about piracy was the freedom. Gold was the primary tangible benefit while freedom (also heart-stopping action) was the intangible benefit... And if not freedom, then a legacy associated to a name to be known forever
The man got a colossal fortune and blew it all in a single flippin' week!!!
It is really awesome how you go deeper than just playing and enjoying games, you actually analyze and go into science and history and compare and all. That is why you guys are so awesome.:D
aaaaand...... Nathan Drake found it
I was literally about to say that, lol!
Nathan Drake is a legend
I shot the man who said that!
William C. Ekasaputra how about Lara croft
This is going to be my favorite comment ever !
On the point of number 7: while not in the caribbean, Ching Shih also retied with her pirate empire intact.
I have a massive crush on Jane Douglas...
"Oh him? He retired, and he's now living like a king in Patagonia..."~Wesley
The accent is more from the fact that a lot of pirates were from Somerset. Blackbeard was from Bristol
+Jack Percival It all has to do with the history and geography of the time. Bristol was a more important city than London on account of it's role as England's largest port city. Due to a pretty shit economy many young west-country men were drawn to Bristol to seek out maritime employment and some were drawn to piracy. The Welsh were also very inclined to a maritime career as the Welsh economy has never been great due to the English invasions and control. A lot of pirates were from Cornwall, Dorset, Devon, Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucester and Wales mostly due to the home economy and proximity to sea ports.
+Andrew Ince and Liverpool
You forgot to mention Henry Morgan, possibly the most successful privateer/pirate in the history of the world. Raided the largest Spanish settlements at the time, including panama, and retired as a wealthy man living peacefully in Jamaica until his death.
Historical accuracy? I love the games but that's just not true. They use historical events as set pieces for their stories but they take major liberties. If you are going into Assassins Creed looking for Historical accuracy, then you are going to be disappointed. I'm pretty sure there was never a point in the American Revolution where a single man swam out to sea and brought three ships filled with trained soldiers down without any back up what so ever.
we did that in ac3 ??? O.o
VChuckShunA Yeah. It was the second battle of the game. Conner had to swim out to three ships, take down all the soldiers on board and then pull down the enemy flags to show that he was successful.
oh yeah I remember now, man that game sucked !
VChuckShunA I actually enjoy it. It's a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, but it is definitely my second least favorite Assassins Creed game next to AC1.
I actually liked ac a lot, sure it was dull and boring and repetitive at times, but the assassination missions were really good .
One thing I find hilarious in AC4 is there is an unlockable cheat that makes Kenway talk like a cliche pirate.
AC4 is definitely romanticized we can't get close to historical accuracy, not least because of shifts in language and dialogue, the time scale of sailing voyages.
Then there is the brutality of that era, for example the violence of sea battles (imagine decks littered with human remains, lots of people torn up by shrapnel and splinters, blunt force injuries and traumatic amputations) and the inevitable slow agonized deaths of those wounded sailors from necrosis, gangrene and other infections.
Add to that the horror of shipboard punishments, disease, lice, malnutrition, starvation and privation and the level of crime and violence in ports and the shitty lives of children of that time who are completely missing from the game.
All the gibbets are empty in the ports and the gallows too, in reality bodies would be left hanging for days, or in some cases coated in pitch and left to hang around for years, Kidd was left hanging for 3 years, and there were cases of bodies left hanging so long they ended up being used as navigational aids by sailors.
You must be a lot of fun at parties. :-)
divitu
I am fun at parties I get shitfaced climb up onto a wardrobe and make eagle noises then leap down on the host, loot them for beer and money then chase a scrap of paper around the party, before seizing it in a rolling tackle, so when someone calls me a taxi I can teach the cabbie a new shanty...
oh you owned him!
i believe calico jack rackham ended up as one of those navigational aids. in fact i think the place they hung his pitch covered corpse is now called rackham's cay
1. one of the outfits has an eye patch but hey it is more cloth than anything And Stede Bonnet has one, although he is still the worst pirate in all history (by that I mean crappiest)
1b. no peg legs as far as I could tell
2. You do not get a pet parrot, but you do see a caged parrot
3. Blackbeard is justified and there is an unlockable cheat that allows this but I assume it is for humor
4. You find 22 of them but most chests are above ground and many are not so hidden but those 22 are justified in a way.
5. didn't see any plank walking but I did see hangings and firing squads that said Blackbeard prefered peaceful surrender over killing.
6. didn't see any keelhauling
7. It is kind of obvious that Edward survives. The other pirates in the game? Not so much XD
I know where Henry Avery ended up!
...As told by Naughty Dog.
As someone who is writing about a fictional crew of pirates and plays Black Flag pretty frequently, this was a very fun and informative video to watch! I knew a good deal about the seven myths you guys discussed, and even then you brought up things I didn't know-- for example, the fact that the royal navy used keel hauling more than pirates.
It would be cool if you guys had done a tidbit about female pirates and how common (or not) they were, given the presence of a couple in the game and their prevalence in popular pirate culture elsewhere, but maybe you covered that in another video and I haven't come across it yet!
I think you left out the hook hands.
I like how Edward fly's the jolly roger at all times when pirates would never do that. Being a death wish telling everybody that you are a pirate.
"Historical Accuracy"
Unfortunately captain Henry Avery/Every was swindled out of most of his treasure when he tried fencing it to three English or Irish merchants referred to him by a former acquaintance. Sad story. The wealthiest pirate ever was a Chinese lady, I forget her name. She actually retired and lived a full life after the Chinese government offered to give her a life of ease and luxury if she would only stop being a pirate!
rick d Zheng Shi.
Samuel Lacey Aye matey, t'was indeed Madam Zheng Shi.
rick d Zheng yi sao, Cheng Shi, Zheng Shi, and known by other names for her bad assery thanks for the reminder
rick d
np m8. there was actually another comment which talked about her. So I copy-pasted the name. LOL
Samuel Lacey I have several pirate books, rather historical reference books on pirates and obviously she is mentioned. I just couldn't think if her name when I wrote that. My research is for a series of kid's books I am creating. See more at PirateCaptainSmew.com
Cheers!!
And then Uncharted 4 saw this one successful pirate in Henry Avery and said "there is our final treasure hunt"
A super natural battle pope hahaahahahahahah Yeah, really.. wtf?!
Blackbeard may have died in battle but have you read about how much it took to kill him?
He semi-retired but a crooked governor got him back into the business. He was later cornered by the navy and in the battle he was SHOT FIVE TIMES AND STABBED AND SLASHED AT LEAST TWENTY TIMES.
Say what you will but he was a fucking badass
8:55 Edward lived prosperous in England for a while before he was killed by mercenaries in 1735.
AnnaBanana I thought he died peacefully in his house?
Spanking Everything nope if I remember correctly birch, first guy haythm talks too in the theatre in ac3, kills Edward and corrupts haythm telling him it was the assassin's. if I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
Black Bart Roberts....that son of a bitch...
Brandon Lorenzo A short life but a merry one.
Well 39 back then wasn't really short I guess, turns out rather average overall.
"17th-century English life expectancy was only about 35 years, largely because infant and child mortality remained high. Life expectancy was under 25 years in the early Colony of Virginia, and in seventeenth-century New England, about 40 per cent died before reaching adulthood."
You misunderstand how "averages" work, the part you quoted even disproves what you said before it; due to infant and child mortality being high, life expectancy averaged 35. That doesn't mean the average person lived to 35, that just means, that counting everyone who died before 1, 2, 3, etc. it brings the actual life expectancy down to 35. In reality, even in medieval times and earlier, people lives well into their 60's and above, so long as they survived until they were adults in the first place.
How'd you get so good with that math stuff?
You people are forgetting Peter Easton. Easton was so powerful no one could stand against him. Easton eventually retired with two million pounds of gold
still to this day one of the funniest histories of a pirate. It literally sounds like a bad joke that things can pan out so favorably for a guy.
That's two million in 1715, in today's money he's easily a multi-billionaire..
Actually Peter Easton lived in the 1600s
the approximate amount is 107 billion in us dollars
That's still pretty fuckin impressive
Robert Brunner in AC 4 BF it would be 1,000,000,000 reales
Missed Ching Shih 1775-1844 (arguably the most successful pirate) commanded over 300 ships manned by 20,000 to 40,000 pirates. She eventually retired, kept her loot, and opened a gambling house. died in 1844, at the age of 69.
I'm currently playing through Assassins Creed II (Got it free through MS' Games with Gold). I'm very much enjoying it, and I am curious if I should get this one to play. Any thoughts?
If you have PS4, xbox1 , or pc I think you should wait for AC unity.If not AC4 is a good game.
Andrew Miller
I ended up getting it and AC: Brotherhood + Revelations :). I'm quite enjoying Brotherhood right now. I do not currently own a Current Gen console, but I will be getting one soon and plan on buying Unity!
Cool (:
Play through all of them. 3 is the weak link, but this one's probably the best.
Thought39
I have played through all of them up to AC: IV, which I just started a few days ago. I love it so far!! It's amazing :).
Even Stede got hanged? Even Stede?! That guy looked like he'd just say "Uh, sorry. Won't happen again." and take the pardon.
AC4 Actually did have buried treasure :P
Ah. So our pop culture understanding of a pirate came from one character in a single book
there are buried treaser chests in the game
I love this video because it's making people share interesting facts and knowledge instead of fighting over how the people in the video sound or look.
this game makes ya feel like watching pirates of the carribean ,lol
+TobiSaysHi i started a new game once i was not happy with my progress so i started a new game again and did alot more... great game here here.haaaaaarrr matey.
+slinky man have u finished it yet?
Too Joker To Be Sherlock hmmm yes, I will shut up now. :)
slinky man i meant the game XD
then Edward cried out to blackbeard and cried his eyes out saying black beard your the biggest fattest most hideous pirate I have ever seen there is none like you blackbeard.
Pirates wore eye patches quite regularly. but not to hide missing eyes, they used it for low light vision below deck. By shielding one eye from light while in sunlight they simply moved the patch to the other eye t see perfectly in a dark environment, a ships hull for instance. Eye patches are very accurate.
they mentioned that in the video
But they are saying its uncommon, it was quite prevalent
well its a given that you have treasure chests or something because it IS a video game and you do have to have a way to get money sooo what do you expect
YES! THANK YOU! SOMEONE DID THIER HOMEWORK! And I love how you included the eyepatch method. It is true and I'm pretty sure some sailor or ship person still does that. Also,if you own a boat big enough to have a hull,why not have lights? And I love how you included the ridiculous amount of chests and how they hold so much loot. REALLY? WHO PUTS A CHEST IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE? And yes,there is buried treasure in Assassin's Creed 4:Black Flag. There was this island with a shipwreck,and next to a skeleton was a conveniently placed shovel. Hmm,I wonder what that sword is doing in the ground? Dig under it with the shovel. Boom. 150 gold. Not worth finding that tiny island.
Bonnet wore an eye patch very shortly in ac4.
An interesting fact is that the real life Stede Bonnet was one of the only pirates known to make captives walk the plank.
Didn't get to see him do that in ac4 tho
Pleased Joseph That's why I said real life Stede Bonnet.
TastySandwich100 I know what you said.
Good to see that someone is keeping up with the history
ugh, Pirates did bury their treasure to keep it safer than on their ships and if they didn't die they go back to the co-ordinates of the map to claim their treasure to buy
There's only one recorded incident where a pirate captain buried his treasure,and they explain why in the video.
Guess what. I saw the whole video
Then you should present your sources, if you don't believe them
bogger is actually right there is only one ever recording of a pirate who buried his treasure
Yarr
Jean Lafitte actually buried his treasure in the Galapagos if I remember correctly.
didn't haythem kill Edward at the beginning of AC3
Haytham kills someone called Miko. Edward gets killed by people who broke into his house when Haytham was younger
ohhhh... that makes sense. i thought he killed Edward based on the diolouge
i get you, also a bit of confusion because ac4 ended with them in a theatre box watching the same play
yea
Nathan Giacoletto AC4 was a prequal to AC3
Just so you know, Stede Bonnet was one of the few pirates who actually made poeple walk the plank and you do meet him in the game, so there would have been a chance that somebody could have walked the plank. Though, of what i know, nobody actually walked the plank in AC4 (Please correct me if i'm wrong)
but. but. You just admitted virtually everything in your list has happened at least once. Even the parrot thing… who says a couple pirates in history didn't have parrots? Isn't the Assassin's Creed franchise known for showing "history how it was, not how we were taught"? So the writers could write off almost every "debunk" in this list as instances that happened that weren't recorded.
Peg legs DID happen. They may have been rare, but they certainly weren't unheard of. So why is this even on the list? At all? All you said was "it's rare." If one man in 100 lost a leg, and every 1 in 10 survived, that means you have at least a few pirates with peg legs.
Gah, you guys annoy me.
i think they mean alot of. like seeing alot of pirates with eye patches and peg legs and lots of pirates with parrots on there shoulders.
Pirates did own parrots, or at least some did. Because they were valuable in trade.
yes but like i said i think they ment seeing it alot. like every pirate you meet has a parrot on there shoulder lol
***** yes but even if some owned them the parrots didnt constantly perch on the pirates shoulder but were probably caged for fear of escape or loss
Whatever. I think they're just being buzzkills. I haven't gotten too far into the game but so far I haven't seen a whole lot of parrots and peg legs. I'm guessing maybe 1 or 2 characters? And a parrot on the shoulder could be quite the status symbol of wealth.
The stereotypical pirate accent is pretty spot on, except Blackbeard was known for that accent of his due to the very high likelihood he was born and raised in Bristol where the accent had originated from. Still though, the way it was popularized and blown out of proportions in Treasure Island is very true, but it was still a real thing, just more isolated than people realize.
Kudos for you for mentioning the eyepatch for night vision!
You missed Henry Morgan. I would call him the most successful pirate. Even got to retire as Lieutenant Governor of Jamaica!
"Why is the Rum ALWAYS, GONE"!!?
You're making me want to play it again x3 But I'm glad you knew what you were talking about when making this video
all the feels when she mentioned all the pirates who died.
PotC at least gave a range of accents in AWE, when they showed the "Pirates Lords". In fact the only one who really had the classic "Arrh, me matey!" accent was Barbossa.
Another strong reason that not many peg legs were in use is because the lack of modern medicine and antibiotics led to very few people actually surviving an amputation. Depending on the time period common practice was to cauterize the wound with hot irons or dip the stump in boiling oil. in the late 1600s a French surgeon started using a concoction of eggs, rose petals and turpentine as a paste over the wound and found that more people survived this treatment than other methods.
Successful pirate examples? Sir Francis Drake, a privateer (legal pirate by the British law), managed to acquire quite a bounty for the queen, he got to keep a large share. Though, he died of dysentery, a common seamens' illnes, but can it count as dying cause your crimes didn't pay off?