Finally I managed to get around to making the video that I cleverly didn't precisely promise, but vaguely hint at: Enjoy! th-cam.com/video/0MPTUX-PHOE/w-d-xo.html
Nice , Thanks for sharing! I am interested to know what looks likes with an engine failure in the B737 (zibo or other SIM version) because I am deciding to buy this 1800€ rudder or the Thrustmaster TPR. Thanks so much!
Hi, I don't fly any large tubeliners, so I can't tell how it would react to engine failures in those. There is configuration for asymmetric thrust in the software, however, and I've felt that struggle flying the DC-3 when I'm having more power on one engine than the other. This can all be adjusted to whatever you feel (or know) is realistic for the plane you fly. In a propeller plane where the propwash will hit the rudder, that airflow will push the rudder back towards center. This is counteracting the input you make to combat the asymmetric thrust when you have an engine out - thus making your job really hard. And the rudders are powerful enough that you will get a really really hard workout. I'm sure the 737 is easier in that regard, both with hydraulics assisting, and with the engines not impinging on the rudder itself to the same degree. Thrustmaster TPR, while superb rudders, will of course not do any of this. However, they are much much cheaper, so there's that. :) Thanks for watching, and good luck in your hardware decision!
Thanks for the reply! Yes I know perfect the b737 in real life that's the hard decision because in reality we have what is called "yaw dumper". so in flight we don't really use the rudder because is controlled automatically by this system. However only during an engine failure ( and obviously hope will never happen to be honest), de-crab during crosswinds we use the rudder. we train that in the SIM every 6 months and what I want to try to do is to reproduce that at home and practice for my own. So , I was wondering what it looks like before buying in a B737 . Maybe you can just try it for me with your SIM and share your thoughts? That could be very handy, and appreciate a lot! I can't find anyone on TH-cam that has this expensive rudder unfortunately and try the b737.
@@Leonardo_davinci_ I'd try it if I had any experience with the 737 in the sim. I basically only fly small single engine prop planes, so I'm not the best to ask for this. However, try reaching out to a channel called G-LOC MEDIA. They have a nice Brunner-setup and seem to be flying more varied stuff than I do.
Hi Erik, Thanks for sharing the video, I read your responses to other questions asked below and I just ordered the rudders as a compliment to my Brunner CLS-E MK2, can't wait to receive them and get that extra level of realism. Enjoy your day! Alex
Hi there! Can you give us a comparison vid for the Brunner pedals versus the TM's and how complicated setting up the FFB is/was? Thanks! I appreciate this!
Hey, sorry for the late answer, and thanks for watching! I'm thinking on how to present this in a video, but I can say that there is no comparison. I had to go back to the TPR-pedals for a brief few days because of some software-problems (related to a plane, not to the yoke), and felt instantly that I had lost immersion. The setup is less complicated than the yoke, so that's even less of a problem.
@@eriksflightsimgeekdom5742 Well, yes, I agree. I got my pedals just about 2 weeks ago, and, wow...i love how easily they integrate. You just have to be sure the settings are right in MSFS to make it all work, then CLS2Sim does the rest. I love the way these work with the Bravo Throttle and the V3rnio TPM system. I don't need anything else, at least for VR, which is pretty much all i do! Thank you again!
Amazing!!! I have the same yoke and I totally agree that it’s absolutely phenomenal. How do the rudder pedals feel ? Have you tried them in MFS2020? I have the MFG crosswind and I was thinking to upgrade to Brunner. Are you a real pilot ? Have you made any profiles for the CLS2Sim ? I have not flown a real plane and I can only guess how it would feel which makes fine tunning pretty difficult
The rudders are as good as the yoke. I had never thought I'd have the rudders, as the yoke feels more important. I was right in that the yoke is more important, but I'd say it's only 60/40 after having used the Brunner Rudders. I had the MFGs before the Thrustmaster TPR, and they are both excellent rudders. I wouldn't have made the switch unless the money wasn't too much of an issue. It's a worthwhile investment, though, so if you can take the hit, go for it! I'm not a real pilot, but having had a long lesson in a Piper Cherokee I found that the only major difference to the sim was the feeling of the controller. That made me look into Brunner. I have made profiles yes, and these days I fly 100% the Thranda DHC-2 Beaver. Rudder is needed in that plane, for sure...
@@eriksflightsimgeekdom5742 Thank you so much for the replay. How do they feel exactly ? Do you feel different types of resistance when pushing the rudder ? When there's turbulences do you feel it differently ?
@@TGabrielTPOI They feel like the yoke does, basically. The force depends on the airspeed (or the power-setting, if you are on the ground and a propeller is making air wash over the rudder). It will also reflect wind, as this pushes the plane around. An interesting thing I discovered recently is that you can have it simulate differential forces from having different thrust on a twin engine. Very interesting feeling. Also, one great feature: you can add resistance on the ground, so that when you are sitting still, the nosewheel steering has resistance from the rubber meeting the tarmac, and when you start rolling that resistance is lessened. This is exactly the same you feel in a car without power steering - easier to turn the wheel when the car rolls a little. Very immersive. I repeat the need for something to hold your chair in place - these pedals have immense power.
Hello Erik. Thank you so much for your video, I really enjoyed it. I am thinking about ordering "Brunner CLS-E MK2 Rudder Pedals". How long does it take to receive them after you place an order? Do they have them in stock, or they build them as ordered.
Hi- I can't seem to be able to adjust the pedal positioning with the provided key. It is so tight I can't turn it. Did you manage to adjust your pedals?
Hi, sorry for the late answer. I was able to adjust the pedals, yes, but it's torqued down tighter than Fort Knox. I had to push beyond what I thought would be safe and then some, and then they cracked loose. 🙂
I wonder how these pedals work vs TPR for helicopters in MSFS 2020 like the H145 or H135, will they work well as anti torque pedals? I currently have the TPR pedals and thinking of getting these but I do fly helicopters a lot so I need pedals that work well for both rudder and anti-torque.
@@btz5423 Hi, my pleasure. I'd probably leave that to Brunner, as opening up this equipment might void my warranty. Also, I believe there is no "technology" inside - there's only magic. I don't want to spill the magic and have it fly away. :-P
A 9 minute video on how to remove the packaging and what’s included. Was hoping to get tips on overcoming Brunner’s poor set up instructions, specifically better guidance on making toe brakes active. Poorly written instructions haven’t led to the answer
Finally I managed to get around to making the video that I cleverly didn't precisely promise, but vaguely hint at:
Enjoy!
th-cam.com/video/0MPTUX-PHOE/w-d-xo.html
Nice , Thanks for sharing!
I am interested to know what looks likes with an engine failure in the B737 (zibo or other SIM version) because I am deciding to buy this 1800€ rudder or the Thrustmaster TPR.
Thanks so much!
Hi,
I don't fly any large tubeliners, so I can't tell how it would react to engine failures in those. There is configuration for asymmetric thrust in the software, however, and I've felt that struggle flying the DC-3 when I'm having more power on one engine than the other. This can all be adjusted to whatever you feel (or know) is realistic for the plane you fly. In a propeller plane where the propwash will hit the rudder, that airflow will push the rudder back towards center. This is counteracting the input you make to combat the asymmetric thrust when you have an engine out - thus making your job really hard. And the rudders are powerful enough that you will get a really really hard workout. I'm sure the 737 is easier in that regard, both with hydraulics assisting, and with the engines not impinging on the rudder itself to the same degree. Thrustmaster TPR, while superb rudders, will of course not do any of this. However, they are much much cheaper, so there's that. :) Thanks for watching, and good luck in your hardware decision!
Thanks for the reply! Yes I know perfect the b737 in real life that's the hard decision because in reality we have what is called "yaw dumper". so in flight we don't really use the rudder because is controlled automatically by this system. However only during an engine failure ( and obviously hope will never happen to be honest), de-crab during crosswinds we use the rudder. we train that in the SIM every 6 months and what I want to try to do is to reproduce that at home and practice for my own. So , I was wondering what it looks like before buying in a B737 . Maybe you can just try it for me with your SIM and share your thoughts? That could be very handy, and appreciate a lot! I can't find anyone on TH-cam that has this expensive rudder unfortunately and try the b737.
@@Leonardo_davinci_ I'd try it if I had any experience with the 737 in the sim. I basically only fly small single engine prop planes, so I'm not the best to ask for this. However, try reaching out to a channel called G-LOC MEDIA. They have a nice Brunner-setup and seem to be flying more varied stuff than I do.
Thanks so much, I will have a look
Hi Erik, Thanks for sharing the video, I read your responses to other questions asked below and I just ordered the rudders as a compliment to my Brunner CLS-E MK2, can't wait to receive them and get that extra level of realism. Enjoy your day! Alex
i've got a set of these on the way, I have the CLS E yoke and hope that they integrate properly and easily!
I hope you liked them! I'm still ecstatic about the combination. :-)
Hi there! Can you give us a comparison vid for the Brunner pedals versus the TM's and how complicated setting up the FFB is/was? Thanks! I appreciate this!
Hey, sorry for the late answer, and thanks for watching! I'm thinking on how to present this in a video, but I can say that there is no comparison. I had to go back to the TPR-pedals for a brief few days because of some software-problems (related to a plane, not to the yoke), and felt instantly that I had lost immersion. The setup is less complicated than the yoke, so that's even less of a problem.
@@eriksflightsimgeekdom5742 Well, yes, I agree. I got my pedals just about 2 weeks ago, and, wow...i love how easily they integrate. You just have to be sure the settings are right in MSFS to make it all work, then CLS2Sim does the rest. I love the way these work with the Bravo Throttle and the V3rnio TPM system. I don't need anything else, at least for VR, which is pretty much all i do! Thank you again!
I also have the TPM pedals how would you compare against the CLS-E Pedals ?
Amazing!!! I have the same yoke and I totally agree that it’s absolutely phenomenal. How do the rudder pedals feel ? Have you tried them in MFS2020? I have the MFG crosswind and I was thinking to upgrade to Brunner.
Are you a real pilot ? Have you made any profiles for the CLS2Sim ? I have not flown a real plane and I can only guess how it would feel which makes fine tunning pretty difficult
The rudders are as good as the yoke. I had never thought I'd have the rudders, as the yoke feels more important. I was right in that the yoke is more important, but I'd say it's only 60/40 after having used the Brunner Rudders. I had the MFGs before the Thrustmaster TPR, and they are both excellent rudders. I wouldn't have made the switch unless the money wasn't too much of an issue. It's a worthwhile investment, though, so if you can take the hit, go for it!
I'm not a real pilot, but having had a long lesson in a Piper Cherokee I found that the only major difference to the sim was the feeling of the controller. That made me look into Brunner.
I have made profiles yes, and these days I fly 100% the Thranda DHC-2 Beaver. Rudder is needed in that plane, for sure...
@@eriksflightsimgeekdom5742 Thank you so much for the replay. How do they feel exactly ? Do you feel different types of resistance when pushing the rudder ? When there's turbulences do you feel it differently ?
@@TGabrielTPOI They feel like the yoke does, basically. The force depends on the airspeed (or the power-setting, if you are on the ground and a propeller is making air wash over the rudder). It will also reflect wind, as this pushes the plane around. An interesting thing I discovered recently is that you can have it simulate differential forces from having different thrust on a twin engine. Very interesting feeling. Also, one great feature: you can add resistance on the ground, so that when you are sitting still, the nosewheel steering has resistance from the rubber meeting the tarmac, and when you start rolling that resistance is lessened. This is exactly the same you feel in a car without power steering - easier to turn the wheel when the car rolls a little. Very immersive. I repeat the need for something to hold your chair in place - these pedals have immense power.
@@eriksflightsimgeekdom5742 Amazing! You got me hyped :))) I want them.
Bought the TPR from Thrustmaster and then I got a really good offer on eBay for a pair of CLSE rudders. Returned the TPRs. Can’t wait to try them out
Hello Erik. Thank you so much for your video, I really enjoyed it. I am thinking about ordering "Brunner CLS-E MK2 Rudder Pedals". How long does it take to receive them after you place an order? Do they have them in stock, or they build them as ordered.
Hi- I can't seem to be able to adjust the pedal positioning with the provided key. It is so tight I can't turn it. Did you manage to adjust your pedals?
Hi, sorry for the late answer. I was able to adjust the pedals, yes, but it's torqued down tighter than Fort Knox. I had to push beyond what I thought would be safe and then some, and then they cracked loose. 🙂
I wonder how these pedals work vs TPR for helicopters in MSFS 2020 like the H145 or H135, will they work well as anti torque pedals? I currently have the TPR pedals and thinking of getting these but I do fly helicopters a lot so I need pedals that work well for both rudder and anti-torque.
Can you confirm if the active force feedback fully works for Brunner yoke and rudders in MFS 2020 ?
Please show me what they have under the lid, how are they arranged inside?
Did the tool turn out to be for brake tension?
It turned out to be for the angle of the brakes. I also used it to lobotomize one of my neighbors...
Thanks for your share. Could you make a video to show us the technologie inside of these rudder pedal?
@@btz5423 Hi, my pleasure. I'd probably leave that to Brunner, as opening up this equipment might void my warranty. Also, I believe there is no "technology" inside - there's only magic. I don't want to spill the magic and have it fly away. :-P
@@NicolasMedtner Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C Clarke
A 9 minute video on how to remove the packaging and what’s included. Was hoping to get tips on overcoming Brunner’s poor set up instructions, specifically better guidance on making toe brakes active. Poorly written instructions haven’t led to the answer