The point of Russia's meat wave tactics
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- Russia takes huge losses with the so-called human meat wave attacks that they use on the frontline. In this video I discuss the meaning, and why the Russian commanders may see the casualties as a benefit rather than a problem.
0:00 Meat wave assaults
0:31 Meat wave tactics work
1:25 Taking losses as strategic messaging
3:37 Misunderstanding the Western debate
5:12 Counterproductive for Russia
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
- Patton
"They are mighty, but we are many."
One of his Best quotes!! Thank you!
Patton never said that. Don't citate myths.
@@GeneralGayJay This is a quote from Lt General Gavin's 1958 book “War and Peace in the Space Age”:
'George Patton’s last words to us before we left Africa came home with meaning: “No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”''
So whether Patton said it or not, Lt General Gavin attributed it to him, and that is where we get the saying from.
Sidenote: Patton perished in a freak car accident involving a supply truck.
Glory to History Legends.
LOL
History legends is wrong unfortunately.
@@Will-ts5ij how? Where?
@@CaptainGrimes1 Everywhere. Just check in long term: the same places are collapsing every month. It is just a copium for Russian Empire lovers.
This gives me similarities from the Brusilov offensive in WWI, where using these human waves Russians managed to annihilate Austro-Hungarian army. But the cost was so high, that Russian army lost it's offensive capability and the morale in army and home front plummeted. At that time, the average number of kids in the Russian family was five. Now it is a little over one. The mothers of Russian soldiers are already rising their voices against the treatment of their sons and like in Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, this could become a real problem for Kremlin.
For now Putin is trying to prevent this by drawing all of the fodder for the cannons from Siberia and other far off locations, minorities and such who wouldn't be missed or cared about by those in Moscow and St. Petersburg. But it is not really a solution due to the absurd rate at which Russian troops are being spent in Ukraine. Sooner or later, they will face serious problems from this utterly apathetic spending of human lives, for it will affect their war effort as well as their capabilities for domestic economy as well.
That's exactly what caused the Russians to leave Afghanistan. And that's exactly what's going to defeat the Russians in Ukraine as well. It's only a question of time.
Consider the Mothers and wives of missing ruzzian soldiers is eerily reminiscent of the Madres des mortes in the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina in 1985. They eventually brought down the regime.
Might be a bit of wishful thinking here. USSR collapsed not because of Afghanistan but because of the costs of the Cold War. It was an economic defeat, not a military one. Putin is a dictator, public opinion is easily suppressed and controlled in Russia.
Or from the December 1918 invasion of Ukraine by the Soviet Republic
Hi Anders. I agree with your analysis, but additionally, I think part of the Russian meat wave attack strategy is to have less conscripts and contractniks return to Russia after 2 years with no rotations which would cause problems at home, especially before the election, but more so overall.
Russia can use their newly recruited men in two ways broadly speaking. Use them to allow rotations, or use them to replace fatalities. It seems that as far as they are concerned, they would rather use them to replace fatalities than allow thsoe who have been in Ukraine for up to 2 years now to return to Russia because theres no upside in that for Russia, only downsides. This becomes evident when you see what they do with non-fatal casualties. They are kept in military hospitals away from the public and then returned to the front as soon as possible.
Russia doesnt want any of the social problems of veterans returning with horror storries from the front. It also doesnt want the image of criples all over Russia. The number of criples is realistically in the hundreds of thousands now. Its hard to maintain an image if victory when the public can just see them around all over the place. This is especially exacerbated by Russia's lack of rehabilitation, healthcare and public infrastructure for disabled people as well as a very toxic stigma against disabled people.
Putin would love it if everyone who served in Ukraine would stay in Ukraine one way or another. Not allowing rotations despite a 3:1 manpower advantage is a conscious and deliberate decision and so are the reckless meat assaults where survivors are immediately rounded up and sent into the next attack until they eventually all die. Putin doesnt want Ukraine War veterans. The Russian professional army was destroyed in the innitial phase of the invasion. Everyone else is a means to an end and their ultimate survival is a detriment to Putin.
It is as you say.
It would also explain why they stopped POW exchanges....
And it's worked. The only people who "oppose" him are the ones who don't think he's aggressive enough.
Looking at their demographic outlook nothing you say makes any sense long term. Rus can't kidnap enough children to come close to counteract those loses of breeding age males. They might seem expendable under normal times, but rus is aging out fast and after the mass exodus, the amount of scorched land they have occupied in the east is worthless compared to the population loses they've incurred. That and nobody skilled wants to immigrant to rus especially now. It's b/c putin's strategy is all based on bravado and fear. It's a sort of shock and awe, but the tricks to prop the ruble can only keep up so long, those signs are showing. And if they keep taking handouts from China they're gonna be wholly owned by them. It's all bravado. Look how close prigozhin came and people cheered him on in the streets on his way. putin will send the last child to the front to fight, not for rus, for his own ego and b/c if he fails it's game over for him.
@@humanonearth1 😐👍
The great part of this channel is it doesn't overload. Concise and occasional videos. Would like to see more of the big picture view/analysis of the war. Thank you!
Absolutely! This is what the algorithm should favor!
The video made good observations. Concise it was not, Anders repeated some of his points multiple times.
It's simple because it's nonsense 😂
This guy is nonsense. 😅 Everyone knows that Russian special operation Z has the goal to exterminate the Gen Z. That's why they do it, don't try to find nonsense, it's obvious.😊
@@Fractal379 Aas your bot-username already gives away, trolls always consider logic as nonsens. Thats why its called trolling. But so obvious it gets boring.
I like the message Finland is sending to Putin by allowing the US total access to 15 Finnish bases.
Strictly speaking all 15 of the locations don't qualify as a base as per US/NATO conventions. Although they're not quite almost-unmanned supply depots either. Garrison (Varuskunta) is more accurate.
Finish made themselves a legitimate target the whole population is about 5mln it’s less then population of Saint Petersburg They made a mistake
@@andre8860 Finland was abandoned and alone in 1939 when Moscow invaded.
This time, as a NATO member, Finland will be far from alone.
I like the message too. "We rather be occupied than have good relations with our largest neighbor (without any reason)". Good for them, i guess
@@PrstBs1 Finland and Sweden know Russian Imperialism when they see it.
That's why they both applied for NATO membership.
Btw, unlike in 1939, St. Petersburg can soon be turned to mush in five minutes if Putin wants to get ambitious and try invading again
Any videos of meat wave attacks? Maybe some drones at some point in the war recorded footage of this?
Synkivka. 3 attacks caught on video.
There are none because it's a coping fallacy.
@@nick-oi1xfshhhh, if you get too close to the truth....
Your comment will be deleted.
Be careful what you say
@@stream2watchLiterally none.
@@flyingpharoah4867 3 attacks caught on video is three times more than none.
Great video! Thanks for the ins & outs of meat waves! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
The 4th reason: They don't have to pay near as many veteran's benefits if the veterans die at the front.
Wtf are you talking about 'veteran's benefits'? You think they're going to pay veteran's benefits to the survivors of this?
@MonEyRuLess The survivors and their families will argue for it. No survivors, no arguments.
The Russian soldiers are told they will receive a bonus when the contract expires.
And dead soldiers can't go back to russia and tell people what this "SMO" really looks like.
lol, they don't even pay their salaries. Russian mindset is nothing like in the West.
Another example of commitment at any cost is the battle for "Pork Chop Hill" in the Korean war. As negotiations were taking place both sides poured troops into this otherwise meaningless piece of land to prove their determination.
On November 11, 1918, Armistice Day, the American Expeditionary Forces on the Western Front in France suffered more than thirty-five hundred casualties, although it had been known unofficially for two days that the fighting would end that day and known with absolute certainty as of 5 o’clock that morning that it would end at 11 am. General John J. Pershing ordered to launch its final charge at 10:30 a.m.
@@andypandy9547 - That kind of gives me the idea that these latest meat wave attacks may signal Russia's intention to finally go home. Or this could be something like a final gasp to hold on to what they've got for increased leverage in negotiations.
I don't think Ukraine will give up whether we support them or not. If we decrease or end support, they'll just switch to guerilla warfare - not because they want to keep fighting but because Ukrainians - civilian and military - will not accept oppressive Russian rule, not again. Not ever.
So thanks! This gives me something to think about if we see Russia inexplicably increasing military activity even when it looks hopeless for them, like it does right now.
Spot in analysis. Glad to see some clear thinking still left in the world 🌎
Thank you, Anders, every time I watch your videos I come away understanding this war better. I wish more Western (US) politicians watched them.
"I come away understanding this war better", told by YTuber.😂
@@truthadvocacy The YTube is right ... nobody wants to put more money into Ukraine because Russia has already lost.
People look at Adivka and be like ... "do these losers really need to cross the Polish border ... next please?"
@@truthadvocacy He is not a youtuber, he is a military analyst at the Royal Danish Defence College, occasionally uploading to youtube.
And deluded themselves more?
@@kgeri6089 Firstly, this video makes the classic mistake common in the west of taking themselves as the standard, and interpreting everything from the mindset that the whole world revolves around them. Classic egocentrism. The west has explicitly addressed Russia in its messaging, yet this video merely interprets Russia's strategy as a form of messaging to the west. What you folk call 'meat waves' is actually typical of war. It's mainly the west that's extremely shy about taking casualties, not the rest of the world. In that sense, Russia isn't the outlier, YOU are. So rather than show Russia in any light, it sheds light on the west and its egocentric worldview. Secondly it's stupid - no one needs convincing that the west is willing to throw huge amounts of money at a war, as that's what they just did in Afghanistan. When the west thinks that other countries consider it weak cos of lacking determination, it has nothing to do with how much money they'll spend, but how many lives they're willing to lose. So far the west has done nothing to disabuse anyone of that idea. So it's western messaging to Russia that is based on misunderstanding.
The first tine I saw a channel highlighting this perspective. It is part of russia's disinformation war and it only works if you listen to this message. If not it is just other heap of sad dead soldiers in the mud.
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My favorite channel for updates. More please.
Always helpful and happy holidays. Anders!
Great point counter point. I particularly like how you lay things out so that we can can parse through your thoughts, facts and opinions as if metaphorical objects of value spread out on a table that we can pick up, touch and feel. Eagerly awaiting your next video.
Very interesting- Russians have presented Bakhmut to their citizens as a heroic success whereas we see it as a defeat victory as the city is destroyed and they lost so many soldiers. Totally agree with the conclusion.
A defeat victory is called a Phyrric victory
and it increases the comparison of russians to orcs
@@whyshouldwecare3267 “Another such victory and we are undone!” - While Putler loves his historical references for their propagandistic value, I doubt that his understanding goes beyond "big man does big thing"...
@@dayegilharno4988 Putin will never win. He is stupid. Dumber than wood.
anglos would see it ass about backwards. Its just another but hurt western narrative full of cope
As Napoleon said: "Do not interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"
Spot on quote!
Legend has it that nobody is interrupting Napoleon till this day. 😘
@@jansix4287dying is a mistake?
@@jonny87kzhe lost
Napoleon lost to the Russians
Thoughtful and well taught. Thank you.
Anders, thank you for your always excellent analysis. You have the best strategic/macro-level analysis of any military analysts. Stay strong and safe, brave Ukrainian defenders of the free world. Slava Ukraini
Excellent as usual. I hope the West pull itself together and increase their help to Ukraine to the max.
I mean, the west has given deeply already. Yes, there is further to go but I'd stop short of criticism.
Unfortunately for the Civilized World, Putin is lucky that we lack good leadership. The West and its allies suffer from a shortage of quality leaders. There are some good leaders, but only in the smaller countries. The majority of our politicians are opportunists who care more about political gains than they care about the long term welling of their people.
Also the disastrous state of education in the big countries like the US has lead directly to the low quality, rotten and compromised political parties, like the republicans.
You should do your part...Ukraine needs méat for frontlines...as over 20 millions ukrainiens left before 2022... the transexal actor Who brouet millions dollars homes and only splend 70 millions d'euros buying 2 yatchs qsk européen nation to send Black the mâles to fight... now russes are finding d'eau females
"Hope." With biden, blinken, austin, sholz, macron, sunak, and van durrr leyen... what could go wrong? 🤷
The problem is, the west has a vital interest in Ukraine not losing. But they don't have a vital interest in Ukraine winning. It is not even clear what 'winning' would be. They definitely don't want Russia to collapse, which is entirely possible.
I watched Anders’ video from 150 watching for days to being viewed by 23k people in two hours.
His opinion is less heard in the public so it really helps , thank you 🙏
Right? I also noticed this.
Thank you Anders!
Going with the ol' "you'll run out of bullets before we run out of soliders" strategy can work, but for a country that's already in long term demographic decline, it may not be the best option.
Russian meat wave attacks are a myth.
Outstanding analysis as usual. I so much enjoy your analysis. Thanks!
Love your videos, Anders. Always look forward to when you post. It gives me some additional perspective from someone with a wider perspective than mine. Thank you for sharing.
He is pretty stupid
I think it also shows a couple of other things. Firstly is Russia's struggle with working combined arms tactics, and secondly, Russia's growing material problem, or should I say shrinking as they keep losing stuff.
On the second issue, the Russians in the last few months have lost more stuff than almost any other point of the war, and it's not getting any better for them. Around Avdiivka we're seeing Russian units arrive with vehicles, charge headfirst into the Ukrainian defence, lose most of their vehicles, and then get told to do it all over again until they are eventually replaced some 2 weeks to a month later after having taken 60-80% losses.
Which leads back to the first problem I highlighted. Russia's inability to make proper use of its armoured vehicles is costing them said armour which is meaning they are having to resort to massed infantry attacks which are devastating their units. Rinse and repeat.
The Russian leadership may think this is them showing their determination, but in reality it's them showing that they don't know how to make best use of what they have and are willing to send tens of thousands to their deaths to buy a few hundred metres of land.
I'm not sure anybody "knows how make proper use of " armored vehicles in a 100% over-viewed battlefield, with intelligent artillery, missiles and drones having a circular area of probability somewhere less than the diameter of a tanks turret.
@@harrymoyes5069 I think the russian problem is more that it shows that they struggle to adapt to realities, especially with their leadership being so delusional about the conflict and world around it.
Its one thing to struggle, but the real question is how you adapt to struggles.
This is an example of how authoritarian regimes are inherently limited. The people running Russia keep making the same mistakes, doubling and tripling down on the same strategies because they can't see the mistakes in their thinking. In a democracy there's always someone else who can come along and replace the original advisors or decision makers, so errors can be corrected.
"In a democracy blah-blah-blah", dunderhead, you are delusional.😁
I guess you don't know that Finnland was allied with NAZI Germany.
The other big factor that limits authoritarian regimes militarily is that if they put competent people in charge, those people are very likely to end up overthrowing the government, which is not generally the case in a stable democracy, as legitimacy in a democracy is obtained from the populace, not by seizing power. So autocrats will often protect themselves from coups by putting incompetent people in charge of the military.
Also, they don't want those people working together, either, because by their powers combined they may overthrow the government, so they encourage fighting between the higher-ups to keep them divided, which obviously is really bad for a military as well.
@@gimmethegepgun Very good points! Yes, authoritarians always have to make sure they're the source of all military and political power. Anyone who's too good at anything or just too popular can be a potential rival.
@@Kevin_Street Very much like the Deep State of America. No matter who is the President. The Deep State is always there .
Agree - timely take in this period of uncertainty when we just don’t know if either side can take significant territory. These Russian tactics indicate to me that they are not innovative and seem to be counting on their soldiers’ morale not breaking. It’s reminiscent of the knight in Monty Python who has both arms and legs cut off and insists it just a scratch.
You get *Fresh Morale* with every replacement squad/platoon. The morale of the dead doesn't deteriorate and they don't tell the new recruits what they have experienced. Keep the wounded away and everything is hopeful with every new fresh wave --- controlling all sources of information is *powerful stuff*
Love you Anders. Always a pleasure to hear your insights!
Interesting, how you bounce the ideas from corner to corner. Actually my gut reaction to the brutality of the meat wave tactic was - all the more reason to fight back! Cause - do I want that at the European borders and is this brutality the fate of Ukraine and the threat to European countries if Russia wins this war, even gets some benefit out of it.
In my view it is imperative that Russia is pushed back. It takes what Oberst Reisner says: The willingness to fight a war and the acceptance that Russia is the enemy. A war cannot be fought halfheartedly. This is what lead to the stalled offensive last summer.
I believe that Ukraine is not fighting stupid, unlike the Russians. They are not willing to trade unlimited lives for insignificant territorial gains. The frontal attack on the Russians prepared lines was called off in days because it was obvious that the Ukrainian casualties were unacceptable. Slow and thorough against the mines and prepared defenses causes far fewer Ukrainian casualties, and Russia's frenetic attempts to retake the lost territory mean that Russia's losses in counter offensives were huge. A win for Ukraine is not only ejecting the Russians from their territory, but also not following Russia into a population crash.
Yeah, I found myself thinking of the last few weeks as akin to the Tet Offensive from the Vietnam War. While the military value of the attacks comparable to the cost were absolutely not worth it, the morale impact on the civilian public in the US was strategically important.
In the case of the Tet Offensive, North Vietnam could hope the US public opinion would stop supporting a war so far away from home. In this case, Russia cannot much count on Ukrainian public opinion to stop supporting a war which is a war for their own homeland and freedom. If this is Putin reasoning, I think it's not going to work. In any case, "Tet Offensives" cannot be launched in an unlimited number, army's morale is going to be affected in the long run.
@@uffa00001 yeah you can’t do this forever. But I’d argue in this case the morale effect is meant more for Ukraine’s supporters than Ukraine itself. As you point out, Ukraine has little choice but fight but if Russia can greatly diminish Ukraine’s assistance it can hamper its ability to fight. Give more talking points to Westerners who call the war unwinnable.
@@ebrim5013 Yes it is entirely possibile that the Russian strategy is an attempt to repeat the "Tet Offensive" move, what I mean is that it is much less likely to succeed: the West is not so "invested" to be easily discouraged, we have no boot on the ground, and the Ukrainians are too invested to be "discouraged" by some short-term and very costly success by the Russians.
Excellent video as always Nielsen!
Thank you for these insights Anders! I had not thought of this perspective. Your points have validity, and I definitely appreciate a European perspective. To me, this conflict is an outgrowth of the end of the Imperial Age/the drawn out dissolution of the Russian Empire. From my viewpoint, the meat waves serve to reduce financial burden on the state (prisoners), keep the outer reaches of the empire pacified by reduction of their manpower (revolutionary) and reinforce the State's monopoly on violence/brutality. Perhaps we are both correct 🙂...
russia wouldn’t have so many prisoners if they didn’t have such skyrocketing rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, poverty, crime, domestic abuse, child abuse, poverty, and lack of health, education and social services. Outside of a few cities, they have scarce electricity and running water and the roads are terrible. Men get ten year prison sentences for stealing a lamp or so called spreading disinformation, which means speaking badly about putin. The Ukraine war is a thinly disguised ethnic cleansing for prisoners, Asians, Siberians, Tatars, Dagestanis, Muslims, Chechens and anyone not from Moscow or Petersburg. With budget cuts in 2024 russia, it will get worse.
Firstly, this video makes the classic mistake common in the west of taking themselves as the standard, and interpreting everything from the mindset that the whole world revolves around them. Classic egocentrism. The west has explicitly addressed Russia in its messaging, yet this video merely interprets Russia's strategy as a form of messaging to the west. What you folk call 'meat waves' is actually typical of war. It's mainly the west that's extremely shy about taking casualties, not the rest of the world. In that sense, Russia isn't the outlier, YOU are. So rather than show Russia in any light, it sheds light on the west and its egocentric worldview. Secondly it's stupid - no one needs convincing that the west is willing to throw huge amounts of money at a war, as that's what they just did in Afghanistan. When the west thinks that other countries consider it weak cos of lacking determination, it has nothing to do with how much money they'll spend, but how many lives they're willing to lose. So far the west has done nothing to disabuse anyone of that idea. So it's western messaging to Russia that is based on misunderstanding.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn “war” isn’t static, and yes, people tend towards egocentrism. That being said, the demographics of RU would indicate that throwing soldiers at the problem is a losing strategy 🙂👍🏻. People fight with the tools at hand🤔😉.
@@GeigerFarm You always underestimate how determined nations can be cos, once again, you only look at how determined you were. The Iran-Iraq war, for instance, had more people die, achieved even less, and yet lasted 8 years. As for demographics, you ironically only look at others here, to criticize them, while being blind to your own side. Firstly demographic declines, be it of Russia or China or even Italy or Spain, happen over the course of decades, not years. Secondly, Russia still has far better demographics than Ukraine does, on every level. It has more people, more migration, a higher birth rate and less emigration. Russia has only begun its demographic decline, but contrast Ukraine has gone from over 50 million people in 1990 to less than much less than 30 million today (and they haven't even dared to conduct a census in decades, because of how bad it is). Also ironically you're part of the cause of that, as millions of Ukrainians left the country long before this war for richer environs abroad. Ukraine is literally considering changing the age of conscription now just to be able to call up more men to replenish her losses. Lastly, speaking of losing strategies, during the great Ukrainian offensive it's Russia that's actually ended up gaining ground.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn 1. The offensive was not the "great offensive". This was simply another narrative. 2. People have been leaving Ukraine for a long time (pre-Holodomor). Some of these immigrants have shared their stories, and are counted among my best friends. This historical reality is a major source of the support from the "West". The fact that their countrymen have taken a courageous stand against RU hegemony now ENSURES our support for them! 3. The Iran-Iraq conflict shows greater numbers don't necessarily prevail ;). 4. Anytime that you shell cities/women/children you tend to find yourself on the "wrong side"...as Israel is learning now. Two World Wars were fought to learn these lessons. Will we remember in time?
Thank you.
Anders, great analysis as always! But, I think it points out another overarching concern which I believe has ramifications for all Western countries' dealings with Russia: that is Russia's distinct lack of concern for life. These meat waves show the Russian leadership doesn't care about its own soldiers, therefore the Russian soldiers don't care about each other and certainly don't behave humanely in their treatment of enemy prisoners and civilians. I suppose this mentality is developed by a population that is ruled by repression and subjected to scarcity where you develop baser instincts of conquering and destruction.
As long as this mindset exists, the West will never be able to negotiate with Russia in good faith.
It shouldn't even try.
Negotiation is TOTALLY inappropriate in dealing with Russia. Russia has NEVER honored ANY agreements.
The only thing to do with a nation like Russia is to TOTALLY defeat it. Halfway measures are suicide when dealing with raw and unlimited aggression.
What are the negotiations with you, Ukraine has already agreed to a truce in Turkey on April 22 and not joining NATO.
But your condom, Bionson, went to the outskirts and after that Zeleboba shat a presidential decree banning negotiations.
Let me tell you who shows a distinct lack of concern for life. Not the Russians, who, clearly, try to avoid attacking civilian infrastructure, but the US of A. Just look at the way they indiscriminately bombarded Baghdad in 2003 FROM DAY 1. And their cheer leading media never showed pictures of human suffering during this brutal, criminal attack.
@@johannuys7914more whataboutery, this feed is about Russia and if you want whataboutery the US never lost 300,000 troops
So helpful, as always. In the face of the horror that is inherent in observing the consequences of the human meat wave tactic used by the RFU, it really helps to listen to and take on board a calm, measured and informed point of view. Much appreciated.
Everything this man said is a 100% lie proven by the facts on the battleground. Ukrainian counteroffensive was a total failure and the Russians are now advancing and defeating them on all fronts.
The counter argument is that "meat wave" attacks are a staple of Russian military strategy, going all the way back. In WWI, you had the Brusilov offensive, as well as others, that threw massive forces of poorly equipped soldiers into German machine gun fire, taking gob smacking casualties. This went on for 2 1/2 years until the soldiers and sailors revolted and the Czarist government collapsed.
Then in WW II we see the same thing, except that this time there was no revolution. Stalin himself said he lost "25 million" dead in the war, but nobody really kept track of the casualties, any more than they tracked the numbers of people murdered or sent to Siberia before the war (which Professor Stephen Kotkin estimates was "18-20 million."
And during the cold war, (when I served in the US military) it was established that Soviets would use their army divisions like bullets, and just expend them one after the other until they overwhelmed Nato forces.
So, it could be argued that this is simply the Russian playbook. (Not very imaginative)
If human wave tactics were being used we'd have a hell of a lot of footage. There is none.
The footage closest to human waves out there is the footage of Ukraine's counter offensive.
Those men and machines were sent into a system they could not even reach the first line of and died in their hundreds each day until enough had died that the offensive couldn't go on.
What did they achieve? Nothing. They didn't even break into the FIRST line of Russia's defence.
We all knew they didn't have what was needed to succeed.
It was a callous waste of life and equipment.
There is an absolute tonn of footage out there.
Russia's human waves? Not a sausage. Plenty of dead men and destroyed machines but funnily enough no footage of human waves.
Could it be we're being lied to again?
@@markbryant4641 Remember kids, every Russian accusation is a confession .
@@paulgibbon5991. What do you mean Paul?
Are you talking about Ukraine and the West's constant projection?
Cogent analysis. Thank you. Have subscribed.
I get a lot of quality distilled info from your videos, thanks for the work and keep it up.
Thank you Anders. Another clear and incisive assessment from you.
I really appreciate that you always add new ideas/perspectives to the discussion. I agree that this strategy will (hopefully) backfire badly - because combined with the increasingly imperial rhetoric, and the observable militarisation of society from kindergarten up, hopefully more leaders are sobering up to the situation and understanding where this is headed if we fail to act quickly and decisively enough. Still frustratingly slow but at least some of the bigger EU members seem to have caught up even if the US is (unsurprisingly) immersed in petty party politics atm.
"Petty", the US is dealing with straight up MAGA fascism from the outside. It's repulsive and Trump should be in prison.
I wouldn't exactly call what's happening in the United States "petty partisan politiics". The US has been attacked by Russian information/psychological operations since before the 2016 election. The US government and the populace is only beginning to became aware of the size and scope and sophistication of this operation relatively recently.
What we have to underetand is that Putin knows he cannot win in Ukraine if the United States fully, mostly, or even somewhat supports Ukraine financially and militarily, so the US was his first target after Ukraine.
What we are seeing now in the House and less so, in the Senate, are the fruits of that ongoing operation.
I only point this out because I don't think people quite grasp the magnitude of Russia's efforts in the United States, including the American people themselves or the government.
First of all, idiots like this guy have been prognosticating total bullshit and 'hope and a prayer' nonsense about the war and Russia in particular. The human 'meat' tactics are used by the Ukes - and if not, then explain why the 'pro Ukrainian' New York Times published this?
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▶ The New York Times has woken up to the fact that Ukrainian men are being dragged into battle using corrupt conscription tactics.
The Times published this piece (Dec-15-2023) calling the Ukrainian army “people snatchers.” It says that men are being dragged off the streets with brute force and taken from their homes in order to force them into the fight against Russia.
“Recruiters have confiscated passports, taken people from their jobs and, in at least one case, tried to send a mentally disabled person to military training, according to lawyers, activists and Ukrainian men who have been subject to coercive tactics,” the Times reports.
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If you knew anything about military logistics you would realize that the side on offense (which has been the AFU for over a year) will generally suffer at least a three to one loss ratio. The Russians for that time we're mostly hanging back defending and building monumental defensive fortifications. Perhaps your pathetic memory can't recall all the months of bullshit hype about the so-called 'greatest counter-offensive' which only resulted in 10's of thousands of Uke dead and mangled. Why do you think Zelensky recently made the conscription range from 17 to 60? Why do think Zelensky earlier this year petitioned European nations to arrest and deport any and all Uke men of military age back to Ukraine (most countries declined). Why do you think Zelensky's government confiscated passports (according to the NYT article)?
That's so no draft age people can leave the country.
Now if Ukraine is doing so damn well on the battlefield why bother to resort to measures like that? As an American I know full well the bullshit propaganda campaign going on in the West. Perfect example: Avril Haines, US Director of National Intel, just yesterday claimed that Russia is rapidly running out of munitions - the same stupid bullshit she said exactly a year ago.
Apart from that, give me just one example to back up the assanine Western claim that Putin desires to 'reestablish' the erstwhile Russian Empire or the Soviet Union. If that had any basis in truth tell me why the hell Putin didn't annex Georgia in 2008 after defeating them in a border skirmish - it would have been easy to accomplish. Don't bother searching for evidence of Putin's imperialism, that's all pure 100% bullshit (w/ no additives). You people who claim the sky is falling (like in the 'chicken little' story) have no clue whatsoever you're talking about. The reasons for the Russian 'invasion' of Ukraine had very specific reasons. Mostly his insistence on Ukraine be neutral (not NATO). I'm sure you don't recall the "2 + 4" talks in 1991 when East & West Germany were reunited when the US (my country), the UK and France gave the specific promise to the Soviets (Russians) that if they pulled out of East Germany and allowed the reunification NATO would not move East 1 inch of the Oder River (present day border of Poland/Germany). Since that time NATO has expanded 4 times for no valid reason that includes most of the former Soviet bloc. The rreason my country wants Ukraine in NATO is to be able to put missiles minutes away from Moscow allowing no reaction time. When Ukraine was promised NATO membership in 2008, Putin then said "nyet means nyet". The antagonistic West knew all along the trouble that would create including potential conflict - and here we are. In October 1962 my country nearly nuked Cuba for harboring Soviet missiles because we claimed it threatened our security. The US set the standard and it is that standard (and lies by the West) that gives Putin every right in the world to insist Ukraine remain neutral. It has been the West (mainly US) that has been creeping up Russia's ass for decades, the West is actually the aggressor given the facts. Now Ukraine is being dismantled - tough shit. If you buttheads want to cause yourself a nervous breakdown over fantasies then have at it, that's on you. As a matter of fact in March of 2022 former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett (he gave a TV interview in Israel in December 2022 upon losing reelection) a tentative peace agreement worked out, that both sides were amicable to, until that fat ugly Boris Johnson (then UK PM) shows up in Kyiv and saw to it to derail the whole thing. It's very simple, it is my country that was hoping for this war with the express intention of weakening Russia in order to vanquish any threat to US unipolar dominance which has been Washington's modus operandi since the breakup of the Soviet Union. That's not conspiracy theory, it all commenced in the 1990's with what became known as the Wolfowitz Doctrine implimented during the first Clinton administration. That's the reason the US rejects any notions of a cease fire or peace initiatives. People like you desperately need to get your facts straight and quit ingesting garbage perpetrated by most of the major Western media and clowns like this guy Nielsen.
In short, the author of this video should quit masturbating and report on facts instead of ridiculous prognostications.
The human wave is a "communist" thing:
the North Korean and Chinese used it in the 1949 Korean war.
The Vietnamese used it in the 1965-1975's Vietnam war.
is this the new jewish propaganda line? "meatewave attacks" that are not even happening?
Have we considered that it's also about personal glory for the generals and their favor with Putin? Lets not forget the politics of this war, the upcoming election and Putin's desire to show results to his people.
They will probably hold up Avdiivka as a "glorious victory" by then
Always enjoy your thoughts and insight.
Fascinating analysis, a very fresh insight.
Interesting take; and I agree. I've been watching Russian messaging turn on Finland and I'm like WTF can they be thinking to re-ignite the perceived threat.
IMO they don't care about how Finland or the west reacts, all they care about is presenting themselves as macho in the eyes of the Russian public, generating nationalistic patriotic sentiments by imagining standing up to a foe.
Ruzzia has lost their marbles
@@righthandstep5 Can't argue that point.
Rigtigt godt Informativt og grundigt arbejde Anders! Tak!😊
Jeg tror snarer der er tale om propaganda der skal få os til foragte russerne endnu mere. Anders er IKKE neutral, han er NATO officer. Hans opgave er at støtte socialdemokratiets politik.
That is an excellent interpretation and very valuable foor for thought.
My baseline assumption was that it lifts Ukrainean morale to see how seemingly desperate Russians sacrifice men and material for little gain in a crucial phase of the development in supporter countries but I didn't think about the sense of urgency this creates among supporters. The Russian strategy would probably work even better in the west's favor if it created military successes.
Ukraine probably thinks that it is best to not prevent Russians from making military mistakes.
@Anders: Yes, Yes, and Yes. I have watched the invasion of Ukraine from day one, pouring over reports and battle footage on a daily basis. My growing understanding of Russian political and military doctrine has led me to the same conclusions you outlined. The one thing I take comfort in is how abysmally wrong Russian doctrines and tactics have proven to be, and may they continue to repeat their mistakes on the battlefield.
As the calls for mobilization in Russia escalates and the meat grinder tactics continue, I am starting to see reports of real and significant cracks among Russian society and soldiers (I use this term loosely) in continued support for this war. This may be what ultimately ends the war.
I have tons more thoughts... but the bottom line is that I support continued (and escalated) support for Ukraine. Anything less than full Russian withdrawal from the occupied territories will only embolden those in charge of Russia to "prove" how correct they are; rest, regroup, re-arm, and take additional military actions in the future.
What proof exactly do you have of russian meat assault ? One (1) video ? With all the drone footage, it sould be easy to get, no ? And still ...
one question. who have endless large-scale mobilization and people are sent into the army straight from the street. Russia or Ukraine? Google "Violent Videos Raise Questions About Ukrainian Military Recruiters"
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That was a viewpoint that I didn't consider, but you are right there is back a sense of urgency and I think we should take the argument much more seriously
Agree, it also ties in with Putin's statements about Russian goals.
Nailing your colours to the mast sends a message to your own people as well as the opponent - they may not read it as the message you intend.
Great video and nicely explained, thank you Anders!
Always good to hear your analysis.
It's utter trash.
Hvor har du ret Anders! Det er en fornøjelse at høre dig sætte fingeren på det ømme punkt! God jul 🧑🎄
Ja das sehe ich auch so. Grüße nach Dänemark und god jul
Anders is spot on! Frohe Weihnachten / God Jul!
Grusse aus Finland
Pucken leverer som alltid.
Your insightful analyses are an island of clarity and sense amidst the mindless clamour surrounding this horrific ongoing tragedy. Thank you!
Deary me! You will believe any nonsense you are told. Have you learnt nothing these past two years?
Thank you
I greatly respect your analysis and eagerly await your videos. In this situation, i feel you may have over analysed the situation. To quote retired General Sir Richard Shirrif "They have fought this way for 300 years. And to paraphrase Douglas MacArthur, frontal attacks are the work of mediocre commanders.
All the time the current situation continues, the West are acutely aware that it is significantly degrading the Russian inventory and ability to sustain the offensive capabilities necessary to sustain the occupation of Ukraine. Time would definitely appear to be a significant factor for both sides and not in favour of the RF.
One of the biggest advantages putin has in the west is he has the support of trump, and all the other RINO trators, who are actively trying to block any American support, using the flimsiest of pretences to hide behind.
I would hope those Americans who have a conscience, or who are REAL "Republicans", realise just how dangerous trump and his quislings are.
Russia has China, Iran, North Korea, Turkey and Western countries to help them with equipment, technology and resources.Time runs in the favour of Putin.
Every tank destroyed in Ukraine is a tank less to worry about rolling against us. Russia has alot of expendable people and old military stuff, but not endless of good military resources. Whatever they spend now, they will have problem to replace. And alot of their new stuff just doesn't work.
@@buttan3399 Outpacing equipment losses? I don't know anything about that one chief...
Considering the last T-80 rolled off the production line in 2001
The last tu-95 in 1993
BMP-2 in 2008 ect ect
Russia has modern varients of these systems but why is it that as time goes on we see older and older systems enter Ukraine
MTLB T-62 Unmodernised BTRs and BMPs
@@buttan3399 thats just wrong 😅 maybe you shouldnt just use russian figures, they are not reliable 😅
Thank you for this video and everything you do.
Very good points. I would add that the West main concern is that Putin would not stop at Ukraine, but - if successful - would eventually threaten the Baltic Countries. Appeasing Hitler was a mistake that the West does not want to repeat. In the long term, human losses will reduce Russia's ability to wage war even more than material losses. And West is happy to facilitate the process.
Russia has no intention to get into Europe. You are being misled by American propoganda.
It is all in the eye of the beholder. You mention that the meatwave attacks and high casualties can be viewed in several ways:
1. The Russian narrative: The Russians have endless resources and resolve, and resistance is futile
2. A view held by some in the West: Ukraine has already won and so they do not need more aid, (however Russia is undermining this view with their relentless attacks)
I would say that rather than being a show of strength, the high losses actually make Russia look incompetent. This could bolster the perception by some in the west that Ukraine is winning. So the tactic could help Russia albeit not in the way they intended!
the view in the West (most especially in the USA) has been to AS ALWAYS, use this proxy war to do as much damage to the real opponent (Russia) as possible before it ends.
To that end it is, to the USA"s view, undesirable to have the Ukraine win too quickly. (which it could have done over a year ago IF the USA had not WITHHELD critically needed weapons in a calculated attempt to avoid the Ukraine winning too quickly. By withholding weapons essential to CONTINUING the highly successful offensive all the way to AND INTO Crimea, the USA allowed Russia the opportunity to build the massive defenses that prevented the Ukraine from successfully continuing the offensive. The Ukraine could still have won even then IF the USA had given the critical weapons it needed to hold back the KA52
s which were what kept the Ukrainian offensive stalled for all summer and fall.
An "ally" like the USA will keep you (hopefully) from being defeated BUT at a cost of also preventing you from winning.
Ukrainians are far smarter than Americans and if this continues, they will figure out ways to WIN despite the USA withholding critical weapons. But by then massively more damage than necessary will have been done to Ukraine's infrastructure and to its people.
Small nations understand this all too well. That's why so many are moving toward regional alliances with other small nations and steering clear of becoming dependent on the USA for defense. NO ONE wants to be in the meat wave. Whether Putin's or the USA's.
It definitely can be spun either way. On the Russian Homefront they can "glory in the sacrifices and achievements (albeit limited) of their soldiers" while on the Ukrainian front they can say "is that all you got?" when taking on two to one odds. In the West we basically want both sides to exhaust each other so there is no escalation of the conflict, but we also want to do it at the cheapest cost possible.
@@scottanno8861 T supplied unquestionably cheaper (FAR cheaper) way to END the war would have been for the USA to have just supplied the CRITICAL weapons necessary to end the war.
This will, in the end, be shown to be UNQUESTIONABLY true because the USA had FROM THE VERY BEGINNING every single one of those weapons and in ample quantities that WOULD have enabled the Ukraine to have continued the spring offensive last year which had to be halted ONLY because of the lack of those critical weapons (needed to provide essential air cover - fend off the AK-52's for example). Had it supplied them THEN, Russia would have been driven entirely out of the Ukraine (including Crimea) long ago. INSTEAD the USA will continue to DRIP FEED them slowly enough to ensure that the Ukraine does not end this war TOO SOON (from the USA's WARPED perspective - i.e. before Russia has incurred the maximum damage possible)
The delay in the weapons gave Russia the TIME It needed to build the massive defenses of the Surovikin line - which the Ukaine COULD have overcome this year EXCEPT for the lack of weapons to hold off the AK-52's that were impairing mine removal. NOW the USA has provided them - conveniently AFTER winter has precluded any possibility of continuing the offensive..
The result will be far greater costs in weapons, damage to infrastructure AND LIVES!!
If you have an ally like the USA which will give you only enough to just survive but; never enough to win, you'd damn well better find BETTER allies!
ALL SMALL NATIONS ARE WATCHING THIS!! They will be very seriously RETHINKING any ideas about creating a dependency on the USA. Many are already far along in the process of developing OTHER alternatives - especially regional alliances
The USA is very justifiably losing its grip on world power due to its malignant attitudes and TOXIC leadership. And that's a damn good thing for the world!
WOW that is a very sharp insight on both for and against Russia. Gosh I hope Ukraine with the west can resolve this war. Russia behaving like the way it is, is appalling and sad.😢
Always so balance analysis.... I miss more videos....
Just found this channel, interesting stuff, subscribed :)
"You see, [Ukrainians] have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down" - Putin explaining a genius strategy the got from watching cartoons
Thank you for this. For those of us without military knowledge, your insights offer a deeper understanding of the situation than the minutiae of daily battles.
Thank you very much, Anders Puck Nielsen. Very interesting! I very much appreciate your excellent analyses and do hope, you will explain to us one day, why Moldova and Georgia (or any other occupied country) do not "seize the moment" to retake their territory. Have great holidays and don't forget to let us know, when your book will be available in English. Tak!
🇺🇦 Заради життя кожного українця! 🇺🇦
There is another element: This is just old school "glorious" fighting, that pleases the generals and Putin himself. They get a personal thrill of battle, "See! See the huge casualties!"
I've run into this before, where people insist on recreating old school, obsolete methods which involved suffering. That is in a business.
And at the start of WWII, some generals were excited about new waves of cavalry charges, recreating those older WWI battles.
Wars are not fought until land is taken. Wars are fought until one side decides that continuing to fight isn't worth it.
Ukraine sees this as an existential threat and won't ever stop killing Russians on their land.
So the question is how long Russia wants to throw away men, money, and international power on a war they already lost.
This is like the US and USSR invasions of Afghanistan. How long do you take casualties for no reason?
Good point. Russia has literally nothing to gain. Just some more years for the putin regime.
Trouble is, Russia are recruiting primarily from their poorest and remotest regions who's inhabitants have very little influence and take disproportionatly far greater casualties than those who live in the cities and main urban areas of the west. At present mass graves and body bags are not features of life in St Peters burg or Moscow, maybe when they are we will start seeing the kinds of protests which forced them to stop their war in Afghanistan.
Brilliant analysis !!
The whole idea of meatwaves is the concept of overwhelming force. To rephrase what you said, the idea of "resistance is useless" is also used in the West. Take the aircraft carrier squadron, for example. I believe that this has changed. Three factors. 1. The unrestrained and uncontrollable use of smart phones, 2. Drones, and 3. Cluster munitions. Cell phones make it impossible for either side to hide their numbers, their plans, and how much damage they have received or inflicted. Drones provide real time local surveillance and the ability to deliver small precice strikes, such as one tank or one squadron. A large swarm of drones has yet to bee seen, but could probably be able to neutralize an entire army or carrier group. Cluster munitions are grape shot advanced to its grim but inevitable conclusion. D Day would have been repelled if the Nazis had developed cluster munitions. War has changed, and what comprises overwhelming force is no longer just bodies. Russians are not adapting. That is why they will fail.
The counter argument is that "meat wave" attacks are a staple of Russian military strategy, going all the way back. In WWI, you had the Brusilov offensive, as well as others, that threw massive forces of poorly equipped soldiers into German machine gun fire, taking gob smacking casualties. This went on for 2 1/2 years until the soldiers and sailors revolted and the Czarist government collapsed.
Then in WW II we see the same thing, except that this time there was no revolution. Stalin himself said he lost "25 million" dead in the war, but nobody really kept track of the casualties, any more than they tracked the numbers of people murdered or sent to Siberia before the war (which Professor Stephen Kotkin estimates was "18-20 million."
And during the cold war, (when I served in the US military) it was established that Soviets would use their army divisions like bullets, and just expend them one after the other until they overwhelmed Nato forces.
So, it could be argued that this is simply the Russian playbook. (Not very imaginative)
Indeed - "meat wave" is just an updated version of the "Russian Steamroller" I learned about in high school (and I'm in my 50s).
The real devious work is all behind the scenes. Foundations of Geopolitics by Aleksandr Dugin. The global strategy manual was available as a book to buy. Very Putin to troll NATO in such a way. It's called Non Linear Warfare. Sun Tzu the Art of War souped up for the internet age.
Father vs son. Brother vs Brother. Mother vs daughter. Clan vs clan. Bloc vs bloc. Country vs country. Party vs Party at absurd levels. Party Infighting (Far Left v everyone one end, Conservatives vs AnCaps the other) Infiltrate. Sow division and WELL INTENDED paranoia every which way.
Minimum goal: damage our economies via damaging mental health
Middling goal: Destabilise the west and leave us too disunited to ever aggressively attack them as well as their campaign to bring about USSR 2.0
Middling goal #2 cause civil war and insurrections.
Maximum goal: Agitate humanity against each other until we beg the Kremlin to boss us about and gaslight the entire world into a global police state just like Stalin wanted.
My condolences to Dugin, for his daughter was *tragically* murdered in a car bombing inside Moscow.
There's no reason all of these things can't be true at once.
Imagine if the Chinese ever went to war. They could lose a million soldiers a day for months on end and still have bodies to spare. Russia cannot maintain these meat waves for much longer. Eventually you run out of convicts and hillbillies 😮
Extreme stupidity and cruelty are a staple of Russian culture. All the Baltic states and Ukraine absolutely despise Russia for this reason (they used to supply humans for the Soviet meat waves). I wasn't surprised in the slightest that Ukraine put up such stiff resistance. They know if they lose this war, they will be the "convicts" in the meat waves of the next war.
WW2 also had meat waves attacks on the German eastern front. The book “The Forgotten Solider” recounts this from the viewpoint of a German soldier. He couldn’t understand how the Russians kept coming wave after wave into well prepared defences taking so many casualties during the German retreat. Of course Russia won that war at tremendous cost.
That is the only reliable tactics they know, regardless weather or terain.
They hope on wearing the enemy moral off, and they usually do.
@@99solutionsit10 I think it worked in WWII only because SU had the lend lease support from US. Without it they would have lost just like in WWI. And this time they'll lose just in WWI.
Russia's WW2 heatwave attacks worked with Germany because they were alone and being degraded and defeated on the Western fronts and the bombing campaign. It's dangerous because Ukrainians have to man defences and are targets and taking significant casualties but Russia is losing its manpower and they will fight today but will not have an army in the future. Maybe that is NATO's objective
The fake power of Altruism.
@@thekurdishtapes8317they have china whom the US industrialized
Original thinking, thank you.
Always great to hear your insights about the war,
I haven't thought of russia's meat wave attacks as "strategic communication" but it makes sense, and if so I absolutely believe the russians misread the West. While I do meet many who say "they should all make peace so people won't get killed, not understanding why that a.t.m. ain't possible, I meet only willingness to keep on supporting Ukraine. And I meet no people with any fear of russia. - Thank you for an informative video, Anders, giving new points to think about.
There's a reason nobody has thought of these non-existent attacks as "strategic communication"; the whole idea is beyond stupid.
@@johnniea4684 The russian meatwave attacks have been documented daily for well over a year by russia and Ukraine alike, even russian state media recognise them, so they are very much "existent".
Excellent logic, Anders. Slava Ukraini!
Very interesting take, but i can't help question speaking about it publicly like this. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" and all that.
Russia is not looking at youtubers for military doctrine.
@@ShimmeringSword But they may look at Military analysts, no?
Incredibly thought provoking, as always.
Tactics right out of the Soviet 1941 training manual
During the 1939 Winter War Soviet troops were already being used in this manner. There's a major overlap between Finland, 1939, and Ukraine, 2023, that's quite disturbing, if not unexpected.
Like Zhukov said, they will go through a minefield like it wasn`t there
You are correct, I explain why in a post above.
Maya.....you missed the point, but I get where you're coming from, in the first Finnish war their staggering losses where down to incompetence (decimated officers cadre). It was only after the German invasion that I they began to do this meat wave advance as a tactic, culminating in the July 42 directive #227 which basically was the stop units.....tragic.
@@AndyWoohoo666 I know, thats why I said it.....
Some need a sentence, some a page....
I certainly hope that Western support will not fade, regardless of Russian tactics.
it already has.
Already happened. We do no have so many men for endless war as russia. We started to lose everything now because West and USA stopped to support Ukraine almost completely. Even North Korea provided 1 mln artillery shells in 5 times more than 40 conuntries togather which "support" us. We are losing the War. Assume in 1 Year the next countries will be Latvia, Poland, Estonia, Romania with current "support".
@@AlexUkrop what makes you think Russia has any interest in Latvia, Poland Estonia etc?
it's only Ukraine that has shown extreme hate of all things Russian.
Exactly. If they send meat, more and more meat grinders will be installed. Not sorry for russia's losses. The families happily send their men into war to get the payments.
@@duncansmith7562 1. Russians requested NATO to move back from Baltics. 2. Russians consider Baltic countries independence not legitimate, they will legislate it. 3. Russian propaganda preparing population for invasion.
Besides, Balts hate russians much stronger, that we did before 2022.
Russia has done this for centuries….treating their troops way worse and tolerating losses that even other monarchies would consider “too much.”But history shows there is a point where even fatalist, “what can you do” Russian troops have had enough and revolt en masse.
I think the meat wave tactic came more from that historically Russians could rely on their sheer numbers, thinking “ok, our troops may not have adequate training, or weapons for everyone, or supplies….but boy, there sure are a lot of them, and plenty more where they came from.” But now…that is no longer true, and Russia was already low on young people, with a shrinking, aging population.
This tactic is more likely to bring down Russia, as about the only other thing that causes Russians to be political is messing with their pension, and their loss of young people may well doom their current pension system.
Which is nonsense, because the Russian troops in Ukraine are and always were inferior in number to the Ukraine mobilized troops. So if they lost so many, we would observe a) a total confusion, b) a second russian mobilization. But what we see is ukraine asking for a 6th mobilization, entirely failing its famous counter offensive and having militias on streets forcing everyone with two legs to join the military.
The russian "meat wave" tactic was only reported by Kiev, we have no videos, no photos about, no death toll increased reports, nada. Mediazona keeps the russian deaths reports updated every week, and it shows the whole narrative is just false. There is a difference between wishlist and reality.
@@Paroles_et_MusiqueI mean, as many Ukrainian officials say and even Russian Z-telegram channels, most of the people willing to fight for Ukraine enlisted into the army in the first year. Ukraine has much lower population than Russia, and most of the smart Ukrainian youth (and maybe even not the smart one) just fled to European countries.
I am Russian myself, and I am still amazed how two years into the war Ukrainian army strategy became eerily similar to Russian one. No rotations, no anything, its a horror. So I don't understand pro-western view of Ukraine, where everyone screams how Russia is so bad with their meat attacks, but when Ukraine starts doing the same and intensify their mobilization everyone is awfully quiet. I mean, isn't it kinda classic? Someone who attacks generally losses more. I don't remember the general number, 3:1?
And the thing is, no sane young adult both in Russia and Ukraine would support rotation out of selfishness and self-preservation instinct. Because if one guy goes home, someone has to replace him, and it can be you. We of course do not have as distinct mobilization in Russia right now as Ukraine does with their voyenkoms literally catching everyone they can, but it mostly because many of the people from very poor regions enlist for a mind-breaking for them 2300$ dollars per month, they never seen such money, hell for every region it's a lot, even for a Moscow, junior software engineer in big Russian company gets something like ~1300$ per month. But I think second wave will come after the election, as obviously because of Ukraine ramping up mobilization Russia would have to do the same in return.
But despite it, even in Moscow that supposed to be 'showcase of Russia' was mass raids near the entrance of the metro during mobilization and I myself even now tense every time I go into the metro and see police despite being a student, so I try to avoid it as much as possible.
I would type more of my purely subjective and unimportant opinion, but I am kinda afraid to do it lol
@@nikchemniy2190the western point of view is to hush up Ukrainian strategic limitations and failures because if they look like a lost cause then subversive elements will try to cut support under the guise of isolationist welfare. Ukraine’s only benefit is that they are fighting for national survival so their population will need to be pushed farther before they quit unlike the Russian side which has lower stakes in the outcome so is unwilling to go as far proportionally before people call it quits
@@nikchemniy2190 You write that you don’t understand the Pro-Ukraine view that the media seems to condemn the meat wave attacks by the Russians, but is quiet or ok with Ukraine intensifying it’s defense. I can explain that.
Ukraine is the defender, an under-dog fighting for its freedom and survival. Russia is the larger invader, choosing to commit crimes and atrocities, bombing lovely neighborhoods to rubble, for no apparent good reason beyond…”the dictator says wants to.”
Just as much of the world sided with Russia when they were the defender against the Nazis in Operation Barbarossa, most of the wold is now pro-Ukraine for the same reasons. You can’t invade, kill and try to kidnap free people into a dictatorship and wonder why that isn’t popular. It should be obvious.
And it is the same reason that we don’t imprison people who shoot back after being shot at by another civilian…one side is the aggressor, deciding to create the conflict, and the defender is only responding to the attack and protecting their own life and home. Both are shooting, but only one is a criminal.
They haven't even during ww2, they didn't just throw their men at the germans, its a myth, there is no footage of Russian soldiers using this tactic, literally nothing, all we have are Ukrainian soldiers claiming that Russia is using meat wave assaults, yet no proof. seems a bit strange.
Great insights once again
In WW2, the deep battle and deep operations tactics were crucial to the Soviet Union's ability to repel German offensives and eventually launch successful counteroffensives, contributing significantly to the Soviet victory on the Eastern Front. This is the same tactic that the Russians are now using in Ukraine, rather unsuccessfully for the most part.
Although there is a difference. Deep offensives were a way to exploit battlefield successes by following up breakthroughs. This is a slow trickle that accepts continuous failure.
I'd argue that Surovikin tried to set up defence in depth with the so called Surovikin line but Putin didn't like the idea of trading territory for capability or going through a force reconstitution phase, Instead Shoigu was put back in charge and has continuously reinforced forward positions and pushed offensives without proper support leading to higher casualties but maintaing an appearence of having the 'Initiative'.
Also unlike WW2 Putlers war has no (war) logistics support from the West. Sad to know that Coca Cola Belgium still bottle Coke for Russians.
Very perceptive
Wowie, I hadn’t thought of meat waves like this before. Great thinking, THANKS!
Quantity is a quality of its own
Please can we see links or evidence for such "meatwave" tactics
is this the new jewish propaganda line? "meatewave attacks" that are not even happening?
I can see you're drowning under this comment section of idiots. They just don't need proof to belive.
No, you have to believe.
Shhhh, drink the kool aid.
@faunt07 just wait until your master putler send you to the front
I take Anders' point. What follows though ?
Putin/Russia have credibly signalled they will continue the war, with expansionist goals - the country has moved closer to a complete war footing - the Russian military are getting more and more of the state budget.
How should the west respond ? - the west needs to complete the process of converting the Ukraine military into a NATO standard force - including western air power, long range precision missiles, and all of the artillery park converted to NATO calibres. That force will then be able to recover lost Ukrainian territory and then acting as a formidable bulwark against future Russian aggression. This will require ramping up the west's military industrial complex.
Oh yay, you just made a lot of really wealthy people very happy.
Correct ALL military tech countries in Europe need to step up to the plate and work togheter otherwise we will ALL go down togheter.
f.e. Belgium ( FN Herstal ) and Italy ( Beretta ) have to ramp up its small arms and ammo production.
Germany (Rheinmetal) and France (Dassault) military aircraft and vehicels.
UK (BAE) and the Netherlands (Schelde) Navy ships
Sweden , Finand missiles and trucks.
And i didn't mention even clothing medical supplies and everything else a military needs.
Or how about just admit that NATO's strategy of pushing up against the Russian borders was bound to back fire in a war as warned by Putin many times and US ambassador Burns and admit NATO has lost in Ukraine and stop the dying while before Ukraine gets destroyed completely.
Great analysis.
They also forgot, when we supplie aid to ukraine, the money spent when to american and other western suppliers. On top of that, the west can keep buying newer equiptment because the money is for older equiptment. A win for our war industry, without having to explain any western deaths.
They did take Bakhmut in the end, but it also lead to the first big mutiny.
And Ukraine took part of it back a month after.
Very good point! 👌👏
@@MrBandholm Ukraine didn't take any part of the city back, they took some of the outskirts, which is now being rolled back by the Russians
@@MrBandholm Nope. Check the pro-Ukrainian maps, they took a few fields outside the city. Cue the predicted collapse of the Bakhmut pocket, which....didn't happen.
Please show us a video of "Russian human waves". There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of hours of footage of the war. Show us a wave like this. The film "Enemy at the Gate" is not considered, it is not a documentary film.
Synkivka. 3 attacks on 3 consecutive days.
@@rmdomainer9042 bullshit..where is the link
@@chadhaire1711 One can not post links here, genius. I gave you enough data.
@@rmdomainer9042 Better try again Goober..I see 5 links posted on this thread...better go down and look.....you didn't provide shit
@@rmdomainer9042 Fake liar......there are no videos of Russian meat grinder..
Great analysis
And they use shovels but they are sharp and have a washing machine in space that everyone is soo afraid of 😂😂😂 and now human meat wave 😂😂
But they are still winning 😂😂😂
Thank god we have the RUSSIANS 🙏🙏🙏💪💪🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺❤❤
My take on the russian meat-wave attacks is that it is a display of utter desperation and lack of a suitable military doctrine and strategy to fight against Ukraine..
My take is that they don't happen. Anders Puck Nielsen is a NATO officer, not a civilian. His job is to convince us to keep supporting Ukraine. He's actually a spokesman of the Danish Socialdemocratic led government. He's not analyzing, he's propagandasizing.
You are exactly right. You have history on your side, e.g., US Civil War (Confederates-Picket's Charge 1863), Ypres WW1 (British vs Germany), Korea 1953 (USA & UN vs Korea/China), Guadalcanal and Okinawa WWII (Japan). Military analysts (NATO) stated that when units loose more than 50%, they need to withdraw or be annihilated. Even if a human wave assault prevails, there's not enough to organize and consolidate their position and the entire exercise becomes self-destructive. The remnants of a human wave assault are too exhausted and wasted to be effective after the carnage. The ruzzians may have prevailed in Bakhmut but they can't consolidate or hold that position.
While 🇷🇺’s military is hollow and inept + running low on equipment, Putin’s not half as desperate as he once was & one area where 🇷🇺 remains the gold standard is information warfare and they are definitely doing in this large part to try and break the will of Western leaders and voters (especially the U.S.) and/or in many cases, give right wing populists and some leftist politicians too, a narrative they already want to sing (I.E., Ukraine’s war is hopeless and Russia is too powerful or it’d cost too much to beat them). As we’ve seen, both the cost and Russian capacity arguments are ludicrous. Russia is drowning and for most of the major Western supporters, their aid has been at the scale of a rounding error. I’m assuming this is what Anders will say in the video. And, if so, it’s the right take.
edit: after watching the video, the one area where I disagree with Anders is that the losses are good for their narrative and show resolve. However, in a way, he says this himself.
Nah. This is full WW2 narrative play. It is a simple tactic for simple people. It shows the Russians, that despite of their backwardness, they just as easy can conquer the filthy rich West. That man triumphs over machine.
If you ever saw Soviet murals, you know it.
Your comment displays a complete lack of military history and more importantly a complet lack of common sense. Aside from the fact that historically and doctrinally the Russians have always been about destroying foriegn militaries and not taking territory; what is it about the Ukrainians inability to retake any territory that the Russians haven't retreated from is in any way indicative of success.
isn't it also significant that the ethnicities and geographic origins of Putin's conscripts are calculated to avoid impacts to the key cities of Moscow and St. Petersburg and the nearby cities which form the core of Russian ethnicity? Putin was anxious in the past to prevent a color revolution in Russia fueled by renaissant ethnic identities suppressed during the USSR. Sending all the young men of his potential rivals to the meat grinder is a way to reinforce domestic power.
Thanks!
This all sounds very logical. However, what Anders does not cover is at what point will the dam burst when all the wives and relatives of the enormous Russian casualties will finally revolt? Eventually, something has got to give...
There is also a cynical point to make for the West: win or lose in Ukraine, there is strategic benefit in degrading the Russian army there, so why stop while they are taking such losses?
because that is a dangerous game that could backfire on the west in so many ways if it is allowed to continue like that for too long
@@estelleaustin9205it could, but if you take a narrow view of it, if Russia can't beat Ukraine, a small nation receiving a fraction of the total NATO with all of its stuff, then surely as Russia is horribly degraded it won't be able to beat actual NATO.
Taking a wider view, If Russia takes over Ukraine it will have more and more direct land connections to nations like Belarus and Hungary, which are already very pro Russian. Those nations, with a land connection to Russia, will become way more Pro Russian, and help Russia recover economically and Militarily after the war, plus will be able to become more militarised themselves using the transparent Excuse of wanting security from Russian Invasion. Suddenly Russia is scarier after the War, not less scary.
And then you get the nasty issue of all the Ukrainian refugees. In many European nations, The massive influx of those refugees has put massive strain on the economys of those countries, and has caused a ton of tension (esspecially so whete there are far right groups, who are using the refugees to stir up violent sentiment against innocents, as they always try to do). If Ukraine loses, those Refugees will be forced to stay in those nations, and there will likely be even more of them, which will cause such societal upheaval that much of the European side of NATO will be a burning mess for a couple of decades, not able to withstand Russian aggression if it comes.
If Ukraine Wins, or even just only loses most of the territory russia has already taken over, then Russia doesn't have the land connections, doesn't have the extra population, and the Refugees will largely go home, so the degradation is actually significant and the social and economic issues are resolved. So sending over sufficient Aid will be way better long term.
So is it a matter of who runs out first, russian residents or Western countries' money? I think the money won't run out and besides, the western countries have already confiscated more than 300 billion of Russian criminal wealth
......but mainly showing the Russian military might to be a myth...... many of the Central Asian Republics will be taking notes......
@@estelleaustin9205 Backfire? Oh come on, stop repeating this Russian talking point. The "West" crossed dozen so-called red lines during this war and nothing happened. What really backfired was:
- EUs over-reliance on Russian gas and oil
- EUs over-reliance on USAs arms production and protection
- Allowing Russia to influence EU and USA politics by supporting pro-Russian politician and spreading fake narratives (look up Russian troll farms etc.) for a decade before starting to take it more (!) seriously
- Not taking Russian imperialistic ambition seriously after the second Chechen War, the Russo-Georgian war and the annexation of Crimea
Really interesting video.