I came to cfmoto after owing honda and polaris since mid 1980s. Bought 2 cforce 500s in 2022 and love them. Dont let the brand fool you. They been around for years. And the guys riding them in Europe for the last 20 years will tell you the same.
We have a 2024 Cforce 400 touring and love it..been really smooth to ride and fuel efficiency is great. We have a 5 year warranty. It costs more here in Canada but the warranty is better for some reason.
Nice comparison Blake. With what you said there's a lot of us that do want the high hp models but simply can't afford it in this economy. I feel like the 500 is a nice machine to "settle for", but your not giving up a ton except for that adrenaline we all get when mashing the throttle on a big bore. There are deals to be had on the 500, and even cheaper deals on the 400 to be had. And remember with an ECU tune the 400 really wakes up and has gains, maybe the most gains of any quad in their lineup, and could be a steal for the price vs.performance of what you get out of them for what $800 in ECU tune and clutching? Love the drag races to keep it up.
I’ve got a 2021 CForce 600 Touring. LOVE IT!!! Still using the factory battery. Hardly ever HAD to use the 4WD. Would buy another one tomorrow if I needed it. Great video!
Transparency statement... 9 months ago i bought a CF400, a few weeks ago we got a second ATV (24 honda rancher EPS,IRS) Can't lie how many little features and fit and finish the CF has over the honda... from back-lit handlebar switches, to better steel racks, to EASY winch install location to a BETTER more info packed display to TWO LED rear brake lights with backup lights . Don't get me wrong, the honda SHOULD last forever but can't lie sometimes I start to think I should have saved the money and bought another 400 or even a 500.
Here in Canada cfMoto comes with a 5 year warranty and we live on our wheelers here. I bought my CFMOTO 600 new in 2021 I now have 4700 km and the only problems I've had with so far is the winch cylinoid went out and I don't think the reverse lights have ever worked. The solenoid was a pain to replace Just the location of where it was is stupid I've never had a wheeler where I haven't had to replace the winch solenoid at some point. I didn't bother taking it in for warranty work just because I didn't want to wait for the bike I've heard horror stories where they have your bike for months plus it only costs $20. I do abuse the winch a lot so not a big surprise. I was leery on buying this brand but honestly most of the parts are identical to all the other name brands the price is right and so far it's held up quite well. I'll tell you one thing I will NEVER! buy a Polaris again my 2017 was a piece of junk I had nothing but problems with that bike. Anyways as a guy that lives on a 4 Wheeler I wouldn't give it a second thought to buy a CFMOTO 4 wheeler. I cannot say the same for there S×S on some of them Mostly the earlier ones they had some bugs. But knowing this brand I'm sure they've gotten to the bottom of it by now.
If I am going to put my life on the line with the product. For example guns, cars, ATVs, I am not gonna choose made in China. It's not the looks or features, it is the reliability that you need. Yamaha is a well-known product for reliability. It takes years to get that status, they earned it. You can't beat reliability over features that don't kill you if you don't have it.lols It is just my opinion.
Im brand loyal but 11k for a brute force wasnt happening. I wanted raptor 700 but we went with a cfmoto 600 cforce. $7500 and no complaints. Power is nice, i would like to see how long they last compared to big brands and see how the 1000 touring hold up
one bug tough for the cforce 2024 (either the 400 or 500) is that the click'n'go bracket for the plow wont fit (kimpex dont have them for those) witch is a big problem if you already have a click'n'go snow plow!! but you can buy the bracket for the yamaha ... in canada, warranty for the yamaha 450 is 1 year, belt 10 years !!!
I drove a 500 cfmoto it cant hold a candle to my 2002 yamaha kodiak 400. It might ride just a little bettter but i would trade it for the little differance.
ive already decided im still waiting for you guys to donate a cfmoto xl 1000 ill even trade my mobility scooter and use a cane to get to it lmfao great video like always
This is an interesting video I’ve always thought cf moto where just Chinese knockoffs but looking at this video it looks like a lot of thoughtful engineering went into them anyway know of the longevity?
Nice comparison. Still take the yamaha over cfmoto any day. Built better, more reliable and more robust. Cfmoto is good for someone that wants a quad for cheap and "fancy" things. Yamaha is for someone who wants reliability and comfort. Edit* also noone can compete with yamahas belt system. My 08 700 is still on the original belt with 4k miles and about 60 hp to wheels now. Compared to the 35 hp factory. Oh and my machine is on 28x10x12 all the way around.
Why did the customer trade in the Yamaha? Regardless of what it is, I'm always super curious when someone trades in something new...with new stuff there must be either a story or drama. For example I bought a used 2022 Bronco in 2023 & have either a story or drama
it has certainly proven to be just as reliable as Canam and Polaris over the last 5 years. Japanese brands are definitely known for their reliability and I believe CFMOTO will prove that they are on par with them when it comes to reliability. Time will continue to tell the story though
I wish I knew exactly what it was, I believe our dollar compared to US being is a major contributor to this. But here in Canada there is virtually no difference in price, infact if you compare the 2 manufacturers msrp values, the cforce is 200$ cdn more. The only "good deal" per say are the cforce 800xc/1000, simply based on the fact there's only 3 other manufacturers with touring atvs, and to get anything from can am or polaris with the exact same features of the cforce 800xc/1000 the msrp is much higher on those 2 specific brands. I think its going to get tough for Cfmoto in Canada if Japanese manufacturers are beating them on price or staying very comparable in the largest segment of the atv market. Japanese manufacturers hardly update their models & may not win in the quantity of features category - but like the old saying goes, if it aint broke, don't fix it. Suzuki Kingquad 400 is the definition of that in the atv market, same base design for 22 years, only ever improved upon.
in Quebec cabada , the price difference between the yamaha 450 kodiak eps 2024 and the cforce 400 is about 3000$ dollars !! (winch for yamaha, and handles heaters included. ) so 3000$ is a lot of $$$
But the quality is horrible. Especially anything from the 625 and up. Lots of engine problem's and many, many frame problems. They are cheaper, but there is a obvious reason for that
Hi Blake, the 2022 xc 800 I bought from you guys some times has a hard time starting, just keeps turning over but won't start. Thought you may have heard of this before and could give me a idea. Thanks bud😊
ok ok. i dont mind the comapring but u saying u like the cfmoto more idk unsubscribe!!! lol jkjk they are pretty close but the kodiak is like u say a utlity bike
@@RealTalkPowersports lol yea yea i see what u are saying. u get a bit more with the cfmoto. u pay for the yamaha name. always had for new brands to get good rep's too.
@@RealTalkPowersportsI could easily justify 2k more for the Kodiak Becusse I know it’s good and I can abuse the crap out of it for years and years. Plus the Yamaha looks better than that China crap. It’s worth the investment.
Nah. A Yamaha from 1985 will still continue to be running another 20 years later. This new Yamaha will be dead like the rest of them. None of these new age machines will be running longer than the old stuff.
@@Slane583it's hard to say Yamaha hasn't changed much in 20 years it's still the same 429 cc motor from 20 years ago when they updated the Kodiak from the 400 to the 450 the same thing with the Kodiak 700 and the grizzly 700 it is the same 686cc motor that has been used for the last 25 years with the exclusion of 2016 to 2018 when they outsourced because I think a tsunami hit their manufacturing plant in Japan. If it ain't broke Yamaha doesn't fix it. Single thumper engines are easy to work on and very easy to maintain the valve adjustments timing chains. Top end work is really easy. What Yamaha needs to do is come out with a V-Twin 1000cc which there's rumor that they are but the downside is they will probably price it similarly to the Polaris. Polaris sportsman XP 1000 starts at 14,000 which is absolutely ridiculous you can get a CFMOTO uforce 600 side by side for that price. And what Yamaha needs to do is come back out with the 250 like the bear tracker 250 or the timber wolf from the 90s and 2000s for those of us that just want to basic machine that can haul basic stuff. I love my bear tracker 250 from 2002 just redid the top end runs like a dream.
@@Techprep23 I'll correct myself a little and say mechanically they'll last a very long time. Even the CFMoto will last mechanically for a very long time as well when maintained properly. What will kill both the Yamaha and CFMoto early is all of the computers and sensors required to make them run. Fuel injection is nice because they don't fuss over a little bad gas as much like a carburated machine will. But once the ECU poops out in either machine it's expensive to replace. That's what I hate about Honda's utility atv's. Mechanically they're reliable since Honda went for an automotive style transmission. But the shifting is eletronically controlled by a computer and push-buttons instead of sticking with a foot shifter. The computers on those fail and are expensive to replace. I have a couple of vintage Yamaha dirt bikes, a 76 IT400 and a 81 YZ465. While both are currently in non-running condition I love them both for their simplicity. They're air cooled 2-strokes with no water pumps or power valves to worry about. There are no valves to adjust or timing chains to replace and no computers or sensors to go bad. Just simple eletrical parts to make them work. I also agree that Yamaha doesn't change when things just work. As far as IT400 goes they literally made four different bikes from the same engine platform. The MX400, YZ400, IT400 and DT400. The same goes for the YZ465. They used the same engine for the IT465 as well as the YZ490 & IT490. Plus it was used once more in the rare WR500 before Yamaha stopped trying to compete in the big bore 2-stroke scene againt Honda and Kawasaki. :)
@@Slane583why would the Yamaha be dead? I’ve beat the living crap out of my 2018 new body style Kodiak 450 never maintained it and it’s never broke 7 years later even still original battery. They could definitely easily last 20 years if taken care of. Them old atvs always have carburetor issues and run like crap but these fuel injected Yamahas crank instantly no matter what every time and run smooth.
I know this is off subject Blake but can I cut out the silencer tube on the underside of air filter cover without having to get it retuned as it's a 2023 600 with the electronic thumb throttle?
@RealTalkPowersports thanks for the reply Blake. I've ordered alot of parts from you guys and have been happy with every purchase especially the clutch kit it really woke up the 600 and it rips now and pulls hard from bottom all the way to top end. Does really good on the trails now even with the factory tires an tops out @ 65mph
CF Moto all the way!! It beat the 80s style Yamaha. Tell Yamaha to bring their machines into 2024 LoL Pretty soon CFMoto prices are gonna start going up cause they are already beating the competition
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I came to cfmoto after owing honda and polaris since mid 1980s. Bought 2 cforce 500s in 2022 and love them. Dont let the brand fool you. They been around for years. And the guys riding them in Europe for the last 20 years will tell you the same.
My wife has the Kodiak 450, I have the Cforce 500. Looked at all the other brands. We love everything about our machines😀
That's awesome to hear sir
How hot is the cfmoto?
@@danlux4954 Haven’t noticed any excess heat.
Which one do you like more?
@@Leies29 Naturally I like my Cforce more. My wife being 5’ 1” tall likes the size of the Yamaha. They both fit our needs.
We have a 2024 Cforce 400 touring and love it..been really smooth to ride and fuel efficiency is great. We have a 5 year warranty. It costs more here in Canada but the warranty is better for some reason.
Nice comparison Blake. With what you said there's a lot of us that do want the high hp models but simply can't afford it in this economy. I feel like the 500 is a nice machine to "settle for", but your not giving up a ton except for that adrenaline we all get when mashing the throttle on a big bore. There are deals to be had on the 500, and even cheaper deals on the 400 to be had. And remember with an ECU tune the 400 really wakes up and has gains, maybe the most gains of any quad in their lineup, and could be a steal for the price vs.performance of what you get out of them for what $800 in ECU tune and clutching? Love the drag races to keep it up.
Thank you sir!
Yes that 500 is the best bang for your buck.. the power steering and the extra power is very nice
I just bought a cforse 500 2025
Model i must say im so happy more bang for ya buck
I’ve got a 2021 CForce 600 Touring. LOVE IT!!! Still using the factory battery. Hardly ever HAD to use the 4WD. Would buy another one tomorrow if I needed it. Great video!
Transparency statement... 9 months ago i bought a CF400, a few weeks ago we got a second ATV (24 honda rancher EPS,IRS) Can't lie how many little features and fit and finish the CF has over the honda... from back-lit handlebar switches, to better steel racks, to EASY winch install location to a BETTER more info packed display to TWO LED rear brake lights with backup lights . Don't get me wrong, the honda SHOULD last forever but can't lie sometimes I start to think I should have saved the money and bought another 400 or even a 500.
Thanks for your transparency and honesty..
good info for others to consider
My stock 2023 Cforce 500 can hang with my buddies Kodiak 700 fairly well. No surprise the Cfmoto is better than the Kodiak dollar to dollar.
Here in Canada cfMoto comes with a 5 year warranty and we live on our wheelers here. I bought my CFMOTO 600 new in 2021 I now have 4700 km and the only problems I've had with so far is the winch cylinoid went out and I don't think the reverse lights have ever worked. The solenoid was a pain to replace Just the location of where it was is stupid I've never had a wheeler where I haven't had to replace the winch solenoid at some point. I didn't bother taking it in for warranty work just because I didn't want to wait for the bike I've heard horror stories where they have your bike for months plus it only costs $20. I do abuse the winch a lot so not a big surprise. I was leery on buying this brand but honestly most of the parts are identical to all the other name brands the price is right and so far it's held up quite well. I'll tell you one thing I will NEVER! buy a Polaris again my 2017 was a piece of junk I had nothing but problems with that bike. Anyways as a guy that lives on a 4 Wheeler I wouldn't give it a second thought to buy a CFMOTO 4 wheeler. I cannot say the same for there S×S on some of them Mostly the earlier ones they had some bugs. But knowing this brand I'm sure they've gotten to the bottom of it by now.
Thanks for your input and sharing your experience..
I bought a 400 here in Canada with 5 year warranty and they do everything in their power to not let me use the fucking warranty.
Not bashing. But you shouldn't have to put a new clutch when u buy them
You don’t have to… depends on how you intend to use it and if you change the tire size and weight
If I am going to put my life on the line with the product. For example guns, cars, ATVs, I am not gonna choose made in China. It's not the looks or features, it is the reliability that you need. Yamaha is a well-known product for reliability. It takes years to get that status, they earned it. You can't beat reliability over features that don't kill you if you don't have it.lols It is just my opinion.
Im brand loyal but 11k for a brute force wasnt happening. I wanted raptor 700 but we went with a cfmoto 600 cforce. $7500 and no complaints. Power is nice, i would like to see how long they last compared to big brands and see how the 1000 touring hold up
Man I would love to do a comparison with my Yamaha Kodiak 700 and cforce 600 or even maybe 800
one bug tough for the cforce 2024 (either the 400 or 500) is that the click'n'go bracket for the plow wont fit (kimpex dont have them for those) witch is a big problem if you already have a click'n'go snow plow!! but you can buy the bracket for the yamaha ... in canada, warranty for the yamaha 450 is 1 year, belt 10 years !!!
Wondering what brand/ quality metal are in the cf moto pistons and valves and such
I drove a 500 cfmoto it cant hold a candle to my 2002 yamaha kodiak 400. It might ride just a little bettter but i would trade it for the little differance.
ive already decided im still waiting for you guys to donate a cfmoto xl 1000 ill even trade my mobility scooter and use a cane to get to it lmfao great video like always
💪👍 thanks brother
I just wish CF had more low end stock. Even their bigger bikes don’t have much low end grunt compared to the other brands at the same cc
I believe the new Gen ATVs have caught up in power output now
@@RealTalkPowersports I haven’t drove I new one so I wouldn’t know yet, that’s good though
The Cfmoto comes factory with a corn dog warmer?
😂😂 leave it in the rear cargo for 30 mins and then the corn dog will be ready
This is an interesting video I’ve always thought cf moto where just Chinese knockoffs but looking at this video it looks like a lot of thoughtful engineering went into them anyway know of the longevity?
Nice comparison. Still take the yamaha over cfmoto any day. Built better, more reliable and more robust. Cfmoto is good for someone that wants a quad for cheap and "fancy" things. Yamaha is for someone who wants reliability and comfort.
Edit* also noone can compete with yamahas belt system. My 08 700 is still on the original belt with 4k miles and about 60 hp to wheels now. Compared to the 35 hp factory.
Oh and my machine is on 28x10x12 all the way around.
How you getting 60hp ?
Damn, we did NOT ask
@@dustinmittel348 hc bigger bore piston, port polish head, oversized titanium valves, webb cam, custom tune, 2 brothers exhaust. Andrew deal clutch kit.
@@spacealien3567 damn thats crazy.
Looks like you're gonna need all that aftermarket crap just to keep up!!😂
Why did the customer trade in the Yamaha? Regardless of what it is, I'm always super curious when someone trades in something new...with new stuff there must be either a story or drama. For example I bought a used 2022 Bronco in 2023 & have either a story or drama
The customer that traded in the 2024 Yamaha wanted to get a UTV.. so he traded for a UFORCE 600
@@RealTalkPowersports ahh interesting, thank you for the reply, you're the man!
Hola soy de chile, en mi pais el cforce 500 vale 5000 dolares, cuanto vale alla?
CForce all day long…! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
CFMOTO WITHOUT A DOUBT💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
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do you all offer any widening kits or suspension upgrades for the CForce 500? ive been trying to find some thing
Wheel spacers bro
Is the cfmoto as reliable please give a honest answer
it has certainly proven to be just as reliable as Canam and Polaris over the last 5 years. Japanese brands are definitely known for their reliability and I believe CFMOTO will prove that they are on par with them when it comes to reliability. Time will continue to tell the story though
The price difference might not be so bad if the Yamaha holds its value over time, the chicommies are catching up....
I wish I knew exactly what it was, I believe our dollar compared to US being is a major contributor to this. But here in Canada there is virtually no difference in price, infact if you compare the 2 manufacturers msrp values, the cforce is 200$ cdn more. The only "good deal" per say are the cforce 800xc/1000, simply based on the fact there's only 3 other manufacturers with touring atvs, and to get anything from can am or polaris with the exact same features of the cforce 800xc/1000 the msrp is much higher on those 2 specific brands. I think its going to get tough for Cfmoto in Canada if Japanese manufacturers are beating them on price or staying very comparable in the largest segment of the atv market. Japanese manufacturers hardly update their models & may not win in the quantity of features category - but like the old saying goes, if it aint broke, don't fix it. Suzuki Kingquad 400 is the definition of that in the atv market, same base design for 22 years, only ever improved upon.
in Quebec cabada , the price difference between the yamaha 450 kodiak eps 2024 and the cforce 400 is about 3000$ dollars !! (winch for yamaha, and handles heaters included. ) so 3000$ is a lot of $$$
The cf moto sounds better, more modern imo. They have come along way in the past 5 or so years.
But the quality is horrible. Especially anything from the 625 and up. Lots of engine problem's and many, many frame problems. They are cheaper, but there is a obvious reason for that
Hi Blake, the 2022 xc 800 I bought from you guys some times has a hard time starting, just keeps turning over but won't start. Thought you may have heard of this before and could give me a idea. Thanks bud😊
Battery voltage low
Or bad fuel
Mufflers too quiet not a good sign.. is restricted to 200% on smothering.. no
Getting real tired of the frigging belts love the atv absolutely detest the belt system
Which one do you have and what accessories
I believe the new Polaris premium model comes with a chain instead of a belt.
Cf all the way !!!!
💪👍
The CForce sounds better.
Yamaha if you want to keep it and have a reliable atv for years and years. Anything from Japan will always be better
The Yamaha sounds a lot better
Honda is better its way more reliable 😊plus the most reliable atvs are Hondas ❤they last a long time I mean longgggg
I had a honda 185s three wheeler way back in the day. That engine was bullet proof no matter how much you thrashed on it.
ok ok. i dont mind the comapring but u saying u like the cfmoto more idk unsubscribe!!! lol jkjk they are pretty close but the kodiak is like u say a utlity bike
😂😂 yes they are both good ATVs but there is no way you could justify paying 2,000 more for the Kodiak.
They are both considered “utility” 4x4 ATVs
@@RealTalkPowersports lol yea yea i see what u are saying. u get a bit more with the cfmoto. u pay for the yamaha name. always had for new brands to get good rep's too.
i have had a 600 for as long as i remember. when i do go to get a new one its ganna be bigger anyway. so i am already into the bigger prices.
@@RealTalkPowersportsI could easily justify 2k more for the Kodiak Becusse I know it’s good and I can abuse the crap out of it for years and years. Plus the Yamaha looks better than that China crap. It’s worth the investment.
Which one will be running 20 years from now. Lol. Yamaha!!
I have seen CF moto 17 years old… And still strong!
Nah. A Yamaha from 1985 will still continue to be running another 20 years later. This new Yamaha will be dead like the rest of them. None of these new age machines will be running longer than the old stuff.
@@Slane583it's hard to say Yamaha hasn't changed much in 20 years it's still the same 429 cc motor from 20 years ago when they updated the Kodiak from the 400 to the 450 the same thing with the Kodiak 700 and the grizzly 700 it is the same 686cc motor that has been used for the last 25 years with the exclusion of 2016 to 2018 when they outsourced because I think a tsunami hit their manufacturing plant in Japan. If it ain't broke Yamaha doesn't fix it. Single thumper engines are easy to work on and very easy to maintain the valve adjustments timing chains. Top end work is really easy. What Yamaha needs to do is come out with a V-Twin 1000cc which there's rumor that they are but the downside is they will probably price it similarly to the Polaris. Polaris sportsman XP 1000 starts at 14,000 which is absolutely ridiculous you can get a CFMOTO uforce 600 side by side for that price. And what Yamaha needs to do is come back out with the 250 like the bear tracker 250 or the timber wolf from the 90s and 2000s for those of us that just want to basic machine that can haul basic stuff. I love my bear tracker 250 from 2002 just redid the top end runs like a dream.
@@Techprep23 I'll correct myself a little and say mechanically they'll last a very long time. Even the CFMoto will last mechanically for a very long time as well when maintained properly. What will kill both the Yamaha and CFMoto early is all of the computers and sensors required to make them run.
Fuel injection is nice because they don't fuss over a little bad gas as much like a carburated machine will. But once the ECU poops out in either machine it's expensive to replace. That's what I hate about Honda's utility atv's. Mechanically they're reliable since Honda went for an automotive style transmission. But the shifting is eletronically controlled by a computer and push-buttons instead of sticking with a foot shifter. The computers on those fail and are expensive to replace.
I have a couple of vintage Yamaha dirt bikes, a 76 IT400 and a 81 YZ465. While both are currently in non-running condition I love them both for their simplicity. They're air cooled 2-strokes with no water pumps or power valves to worry about. There are no valves to adjust or timing chains to replace and no computers or sensors to go bad. Just simple eletrical parts to make them work.
I also agree that Yamaha doesn't change when things just work. As far as IT400 goes they literally made four different bikes from the same engine platform. The MX400, YZ400, IT400 and DT400. The same goes for the YZ465. They used the same engine for the IT465 as well as the YZ490 & IT490. Plus it was used once more in the rare WR500 before Yamaha stopped trying to compete in the big bore 2-stroke scene againt Honda and Kawasaki. :)
@@Slane583why would the Yamaha be dead? I’ve beat the living crap out of my 2018 new body style Kodiak 450 never maintained it and it’s never broke 7 years later even still original battery. They could definitely easily last 20 years if taken care of. Them old atvs always have carburetor issues and run like crap but these fuel injected Yamahas crank instantly no matter what every time and run smooth.
I honestly would go with Japanese bikes over Chinese any day. Don't get me wrong, cf moto has come a long way, but not as far as Japan.
Well Yamaha , Honda and Suzuki and Kawasaki have stayed pretty much the same in the atv department for the last 10 years it seems
I know this is off subject Blake but can I cut out the silencer tube on the underside of air filter cover without having to get it retuned as it's a 2023 600 with the electronic thumb throttle?
Yes it will help with the airflow into the intake
@RealTalkPowersports thanks for the reply Blake. I've ordered alot of parts from you guys and have been happy with every purchase especially the clutch kit it really woke up the 600 and it rips now and pulls hard from bottom all the way to top end. Does really good on the trails now even with the factory tires an tops out @ 65mph
Thanks for the review, if the CFmoto wasnt made in CHINA i would buy one-I will stick with the JAPANESE brands
But its a Yamaha.........ha
Haha 😆
I would stick with the Yamaha cf moto will not stand behind their product for warranty work strictly garbage
CF Moto all the way!! It beat the 80s style Yamaha. Tell Yamaha to bring their machines into 2024 LoL Pretty soon CFMoto prices are gonna start going up cause they are already beating the competition
I believe they will keep their prices right
Kodiak💪👍, cf moto👎🤑
Yamaha always and forever - CF i CHINESE BS
you probably know that, for example, Yamaha's 4wd and front lock systems are made by cf moto?🤭
@@janneojanen162 CF moto stolen from Yamaha😉
I’d rather walk than ride a Chinese ATV.
That's a heck of thing to say to someone offering you a ride on a cfmoto when you are broken down 20 miles from civilization