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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, Iyo breaks down the pros, cons, and overall argument about Why Firefly is Easily a Top 5 DPS in Honkai Star Rail.
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Ruan Mei and Harmony Trailblazer are Firefly's two best eidolons
Bro deserves more likes
so we get an e1 out of e8 firefly for free? Sweet!
@@OceanCheng-th1eg you kinda want her real e1 tho too ngl ... like its not mandatory but she is definately gonna be chugging team skill points at e0
@@toukoenriaze9870that doesn't matter.. That break team doesn't really use skill points anyway and is pretty much designed for Sam to nuke everything.. Going for Meis LC if a player doesn't have it should be a top priority after pulling Sam.. I'm going for E4, but one of both of the Harmony characters with Meis LC is what completes the team
What about my guy gallagher no one ever shows him love
I don't understand that being a hot take, she's doing slightly less dmg than Acheron and only to 3 targets, but her team is doing way more damage than Acheron's, plus Acheron overkills anyways.
Firefly also still needs a premium superbreak support that isn't MC and a premium sustain, tho Acheron is getting more support as well.
I agree with this 100%
Tbh hmc does well enough already, she does need a sustain thl
And FF puts out more ST damage which is the most important in EG anyway.
Firefly has better supports than acheron lmao acherons only good support is pela there's no other nihility charecter who buffs her significantly and pela is a 4 star whereas firefly has ruan mei hmc and even gallagher buffs her
Firefly deals more st damage than acheron. But in 3 targets it's pretty equal.
Ff have only 1 and big minus. It's her team build. U need ruan mei
The title should be why she’s a top 2 DPS because if you look at all content in the game Only Acheron can keep up with her.
He kinda can’t cause he more or less made that video yesterday lol guess the rent is due.
She's better than acheron at all levels of investment. Also boothill and and dhil still compete. Just acheron mains salty your 2d wifey has been powercreeped 😁
@@D4C_267you gotta be high with this take.
@@D4C_267in what world is dhil keeping up 😂 Acheron is also for sure a better peak than FF
@@mehrits Dhil with sparkle is better than acheron. Just look at pyrdwen moc stats. he is outperforming her😁
This might be a hot and unpopular take, but I think we need to start talking about Gallagher being a tier above Luocha.
Gallagher might as well be a specialist now, his break capacity is insane
If we’re talking about break teams, he should be higher than HuoHuo, Aventurine, FX, every other sustainer tbh
@@Marto-kh6smcan we stop calling everyone a specialist
@@elijahjarobiwhy?
What crazy is they're releasing a 5 star gallagher in 2.5-2.6
WE’RE SETTING THE SEAS ABLAZE WITH THIS ONE 🗣‼️‼️🔥🔥
Tbh, this is the most cold iyo take ever. Firefly is top 2 and pretty sure many say the same
Top 1*
Nah top 1
@@entsensei LOL FF simp
@@XolzeTelos FF truther more like
*top 10
Firefly Vs Acheron
E0S0 - Firefly, Acheron needs her LC, Firefly can use a F2P LC
E0S1 and E1S1- is discussible at least
But E2S1- is firefly, she just has the most broken E2 in the game
E2 FF > E6 Acheron obviously
@@entsenseitbh Acheron e6 is underwhelming compare to other e6 characters
you simps. . can you give me that joint you smoking?
@@maxlee8305 What weed are you smoking? Acheron has the best e6 in the game
@@afhamcheemafr right saying all her kit ignores element, adding res pen, considered ult dmg, and having ult every other turn as mid is another level of crack
she is TOP1. and has the most "broken" passive, mark with his element to enemies. :O
Dear XotzeTelos from 8:52 in the video,
What the FUCK do you mean 250k per enemy is pretty low????
Ah nvm he's a boothill meat rider, no wonder
Hunt character that thrives off single target damage compared to a blast character. Makes sense. Midfly, am I right?
It’s just that Screen Shot brain rot o no she only does 300K ST and like 150k per extra…
Meanwhile she’s faster than most other DPS even if they are using a AF character like Broyna…
So that 250k~500K attack ends up being well over 1 million damage a cycle..
that guy just needs to settle down with the off takes lol like the whole video he was just arguing with iyo lol
relax its from the point of view of someone who is annoyed that casual-gamer dont care about details.
And its obvious that the dislike for FF is not only because of her powerlvl.
A lot of people are sleeping on how Gallagher is very important in her team comp as well. Not only does he adds more break effect, the dude provides extra skill point on ult. Apart from his normal basic. That's particularly skill point extra positive. Even more if you put him in Multiplication light cone and energy regen rope sacrificing personal damage but more contribution to team damage by proving Harmony MC and Firefly more skill uses.
That milk tho😂
I agree with your take.
Car analogy I guess BH require us to accelerate and shift gear multiple times.
While Firefly is already on the 3 gear and you shift once more for immediate results.
Hopefully that makes sense, if not please chime in.
Thanks for the vid.
It's pretty easy to ramp up Boothill. As MOC has trash mob at the beginning.
@@Boltwin89 not always
@@TheoDimitry still enough to 0-cycle the first round
@@Boltwin89 with bronya yeah without then no
@@joshuaco2522 ofc, pretty much all hyper carries rely on Bronya or Sparkle.
I still don’t understand why people think Firefly isn’t number 1 with Acheron or just number 2 best.
My brother in christ. In beta showcases. Firefly literally beat Acheron most of the time,0 cycled Yanqing before he could even lock his weakness,had 1-2 cycle clears against Sam(literally the only enemy that gives Firefly hard time due to starting with weakness locked),cleared as fast as Boothill against Aventurine… all with a sustain btw.
People do underestimate Firefly like crazy. When even prydwen who basically should be renamed to "Acheron’s fanclub". Like they used S5 GNSW to do calcs unlike any other DPS where they use the free options😭 and literally made the specialist category just to not put someone with Acheron. And even they believe Firefly is on par if not better than Acheron currently. That should tell you how broken Firefly is.
Its just acheron main that are coping with the fact that she's been powercreepted after 2 patches. Don't read too much into it.
Some people still don't understand the nature of gacha game unfortunately. Every unit will get powercrept eventually to keep people engaging for their games and hsr is no exceptions. Firefly also will no doubt by future characters and then the cycles continue.
I think they're seeing Acheron dealing 1m dmg to 4 irrelevant adds and actually thinking she did all that to the boss.
@@sct77 yeah and another thing, people are seeing the highest single damage number and going off of that, the more the fight goes on the average Firefly does more damage PER CYCLE but Acheron still holds the highest single damage attack ever
@@Exodia_99absolutely. They deadass said the same shit about jingliu and Acheron right before she released, and look at where we are.
Why Firefly is Easily a Top 2* DPS | Honkai Star Rail
Nah just 2nd best
here again with this firemid simps
and she aint 2
@@reedsad4652 how is she mid
@@rgd9945 stop with the coping lmao. Try sunday boss and youl see she cant even do 10k dmg in 3 turns hahahaha
The thing that I like about her being a DPS is that she's a Super Break DPS. Meaning her damage will always be ABSOLUTE cuz she doesn't depend on Crit gacha. I'm interested in this new mechanic and hoping to see other Super Break DPS in the future
great vid iyo. good luck to everyone on their firefly summons
Hei i just came back to this game since 1.5 who should i pull
I have fuxuan,sw,bronyq,argenti,blade,seele,danheng il,himeko,dr ration,yanqing,welt bailu
It must be so frustrating trying to explain why Firefly is better than what people think cause of all that 'mid fly' garbage. Look i love Boothill & he's really fun to play but i agree he needs more actions to do the same thing Firefly will do in less time, especially if you use her most optimal team. Boothill really struggles if there isn't a trash mob to build up his medals fast.
Love the thumbnail used for this video.
That XolzeTelos is huffing copium so bad, I remember them really trash talking Firefly v1
now it's just pathetic.
Tbh Xolze already lost me when he said that Seele is the best dps in the game. Then proceeded with relics and stats and holy, ofc with those stats, every dps will become best dps
@@HSRFireflythey use a private server to choose relic substats. Nothing they say should be taken too seriously. There are better 0-cycle CCs in Live anyways.
firefly is up there with achron and will have both with firefly banner coz we need 2 team anyway
Conclusion on who's better:
(0 cycle standards)
E0S0 - Firefly/Boothill
E0S1 - Acheron Boothill
E1S1 - Firefly of course lol
E2S1 - Firefly (literally the most broken unit in the entire game)
wait is firefly good without her sig?
I think on Prydwen, they said Sig is a 17% increase compared to Aeon.
Yes, the herta shop LC isn't far behind actually
Her f2p options are basically any LC that gives atk or BE, mainly the gacha Misha LC and the herta shop LC but others are still viable but less than these 2 with S5 Aeon being her best f2p option
No
Yes?@@PolishSadboy
@@PolishSadboyum she is probably the single most F2P DPS yet the only thing she needs to be at 100% that’s not free is RM.
Firefly looks really great, especially since I have RM already, but I have so many FUA characters that Jade may be better for my account. I'll probably wait for the Content Creator Server to get their hands on Jade, and then go from there; if she doesn't seem as great as she looks now, I can just pivot to rolling for Firefly. Though I would need to build up more characters to make Firefly work (Firefly, Gallagher and HMC) compared to if Jade is good (I would just need to build Jade).
...I do like Firefly's Kamen Rider/Gundam look more though.
The way I see the meta change is that we are moving away from conditions only on the character that need to be fulfilled to deal dmg (having enough atk, crit rate/dmg and other buffs) to conditions on the enemies as well (having them weakness broken for Firefly or a whole bunch of de-buffs for Acheron).
Please guys build Gallagher he is essential for firefly as iyo said breaking enemy with the very first enhanced skill is only possible because of Gallagher.
"Top 5 DPS"
Come again? She's comfortably Top 2 according to that tier list site everyone holds in such high regard.
Nah, gimme more long videos. I enjoy these discussions.
The new big three Boothill,Firefly,Acheron
Yeah considering just how brand new the break meta is, the lack of team flexibility makes sense.
Telos again huh 😅. reminding me of when people said Acheron was gonna be mid
they have the most un-relatable takes. Who cares about 0cycles and unit costs, goofy ah
Finally someone isnt afraid to say ff just powercreeps boothill.
Crazy how chat called it cap and a hot take to say FF is a contender for top DPS. Has nobody seen what she can do? Insane people can argue against that lmao
These insane people u remember at her 1.0 kit all calling her shit and boothill is way superior how the tables have turned
I can’t cosign this one I believe ff is better then Acheron in every aspect except for when your comparing E3-E5, I’ve seen them do similar damage on f2p builds but the difference being she does it 3-4 turns a cycle on top of her teammates doing 100-200k as well and that’s not so well built relics vs a stacked Acheron with the best relic rolls. Yes she’s super confined to one team for the most damage but it’s 2 f2p characters and one 5 star support that works with almost EVERYONE and is running soon on the same banner. I’d say the annoying part is getting all characters speed up and a bunch of relics with a lot of break effect rolls but this is just the case when you farm relics for anyone. It’s definitely close but as of right now ff does more damage because of the amount of turns she takes as well as her teammates taking advantage of the super break while also having less downtime because she gets her ult right after a skill 90% of the time
This could change in the future since I heard Acheron might be getting a dedicated nihility support but as for right now optimal Acheron team vs optimal ff team with same investment Acheron is getting beat
@@_Gabimaru Tbh, if Acheron needs a premium debuffer to keep up with Firefly's already F2P team, then it basically speaks for itself. Same thing could be said with Firefly if she gets a premium version of HMC or Gallagher. They're gonna be fighting at the number 1 spot for a LONG time.
@@koko-hh2bq 100%, some people will cope with damage per screenshot knowing it comes from trash mobs for Acheron cause firefly can only target 3 at once but she takes action 3 times an ult on top of her teammates hitting some decent super break damage and most people don’t have the best relics for firefly in the test runs. I hope we get another super break harmony in the future cause I’d love to see what type of numbers she could hit with HMC Ruan mei and whatever harmony would come out
if people think firefly being top 2 is a hot take idk what to say 💀
From what I've seen, Boothill has a higher apc (actions per cycle) requirement to 0 cycle than Firefly.
Aka Firefly clears with less turns than Boothill. The only real competition for Firefly is probably Acheron
When unit is purely single target and requires ramp up isn't a given that they did more actions to clear because they can only hit one enemy at a time. Amount of actions taken just seems like a horrible metric to judge a unit's power.
what do you mean from what you've seen? what 0 cycles have you looked at and are they fair comparisons? have you taken into account that boothill has way more 0 cycles available than ff atm?
boothill with bronya sometimes takes up to 6 turns what he could otherwise do in 3 while running HMC, turn count is just completely arbitrary
Your point? You play the two characters differently, the whole point of boothill is going as many times as possible, aka running AA supports. Firefly is abusing super break damage (she wants Ruan Mei and hmc to do damage) leaving no room for action advance supports. Also boothills a single target hunt unit, meaning he needs action advance
@@JayTheBoss242agreed. Kinda strange how most tcs have taken to measure damage per action value as a comparison point and yet it hasn’t caught on to the rest of the community.
@@27Ganon you do know Boothill 0 cycle is sustainless right? Firefly can 0 cycle with a sustain is what is insane. But if you add another break buffer instead of Gallagher then Firefly will end up being much better in the long run.
I gotta agree with iyo on this one guys boothill just takes too long to set everything up sometimes. I love him and have him but firefly just seems to make everything quicker
respectfully chat was on some whack shiz lol
Then use him with a sub dps boothill is still the more flexible unit cause he can work with other teams I've seen showcases with Boothill zero cycling without Bronya Luka and Kafka are a great pairing with boothill
Reading chat not understanding what cost actually means in MoC is crazy when comparing BH and FF.
nah Meta analysts trying to influence casual gamers. As if the ones not understanding cost in MoC care about 0-cycle anyway.
MOC "cost" is Cope and Biased as can be. Imagine claiming Bronya E1 is 0 cost and SW E0 is 1 cost. Couldn't be me who believes in such nonsense. All units should be 0 cost at E0 (with value added with LCs and Eidolons) and ties decided by AV used in a 0-cycle.
@@AngelOnerom well i am grateful to those analysing the game to its core helping me to improve my gameplay. but as you said at some point it got out of hand.
Cost should be taken in account when evaluating characters but it's not the end all be all. Generally the more you play the game the less you care about cost. Also a unit being good at low cost doesn't mean they'll be just as good at a higher cost compared to others.
People just want a one shot character with bug damage per screenshot. Despite Boothill being a single target focus & FF being a good blast character, it still won't convince them. They only wanna see big numbers
because thats how it is wdym?
even if you say its overkill now imagine thats 3 elites? you clearly dont have acheron you dont know how busted she is,
ow btw her technique alone? >>> everyone
I don't know, I haven't seen Acheron reliably and comfortably 0 cyclying with a sustain like Firefly has. Seems like everyone is ranking Acheron based on padded aoe damage that almost always goes to waste.
They are
... Could any of you point me toward a dedicated Acheron support like the two that Firefly has before she's even released? Neither Pela nor Silver Wolf are really Acheron supports, they're just the best we have right now. One of them is 4* and the other is ST. Pela is good, but to make her work with Acheron you need to give her a specific LC or she falls off pretty badly. SW is ST, as previously mentioned, so a Blast+AoE unit can't take full advantage of her.
Just.. wait until Acheron's BiS support(s) come out so we can actually have this conversation. Acheron right now is in the same situation Kafka was before BS was released.
Chill your breasticles, please.
@@vetreas366 This is about the current meta and you're acting as if Firefly won't get any new dedicated supports. Hmc is basically a mediocre 4 star that will be eventually replaced by a 5 star superbreak support. What next, are you going to tell us Jingliu is better than Firefly just because she has yet to receive dedicated supports?
@@sct77 probably would tbh. Buddy should learn that 2.5 already has been leaked to have new break team members.
Idk why people think hoyo won’t create new teammates for what could possibly be their highest grossing character. Shit makes no sense. Having RM be her only limited is leaving money on the table.
@@JohnDoe-si4egisn’t the new break coming a DPS again tho?
ok the guy that said boothill is more consistant than firefly at 16:38 is an idiot boothill has way more down time than firefly expecially at the beginning of the battle. At the beginning of battle boothill need to break and get his three stacks before he start to pop off.
Also I would love to see BH in PF by himself…
Look at her boothill video. he goes 6 times in first cycle.
Yeah FF only needs to skill once at the start of the fight
@@The_CodFish69 you'd only do that if you had brain issue. Who in their right mind would take boothill into pf? Just use him in moc and move on
@@bepo1702 that's my Point BH is Mid AF in PF meanwhile FF without the E2 can still get 40k no prb. So in literally everything but ST fights FF > BH in every way.
Iyo, your twitch chat is more cooked than you, i swear their takes during this video were bad enough to warrant a Guoba misinformation chat and a MrPokke nuclear drama episode. Makes for great youtube content tho, lmao.
i mean xolze is mentally ill so..
Nah, he just got oneguyed by a ragebaiter, happens when people are pathetic for drama farming
To me i think BootHill is better than acheron, let me explain before people start to riot, if we are taking both dps's at e0s1 boothill will outperform acheron in every regard, boothill does so much damage that being hunt doesnt even effect him when the guy can 1 turn elites he's casually doing 400 to 500k a turn, isnt as restrictive as a acheron team and is easier to build then acheron meaning he can reach that damage spike quick, acheron needs buildup and relies on her ult for damage she is also very restrictive as you have to run 2 nihility units and she isnt nearly pumping out the same damage as boothill in single target. Got boothill and he was the first unit that i was able to 0 cycle both new moc's with as a f2p player and this isnt even bringing in his lightcone which i have but didnt put it on him for the 0 cycle as i wanted to test his damage without it, i've never been able to do that with acheron. i honestly dont think the gap between boothill and firefly is huge either she'll clear faster yes because of aoe but in terms of raw damage boothill has the better numbers
@@ABC-yj6cy bruh I have RM and her LC
This is about right until 2.4 when we get Jiaoqiu and we run Acheron sustainless because she'll murder everything. Nobody gunna benefit from him like she will.
@@ABC-yj6cy he plays boothill I’m sure he has Ruan Mei
@@Seth-de5bssure in ST MoC but with 2 opponents FF > BH and in PF FF >>>> BH and so far in AS they are about = so the fact she still is good at ST but just better in everything else...
Not saying anything bad about BG but FF objectively just a better overall unit.
I think the same as well. Because I was able to do 0 cycles with my boot hill without his LC but wasn't able to do 0 cycles with my acheron with her LC.
So Boothill got powercrept
Nah boothill is still way better than FF in terms of single damage, FF is still cracked af though especially with E2 basically being a seele powercreep
Day 2 billion of asking for seele video LMAO
Hey man, have any new attack inputs been found in the new ZZZ beta? like nicole's in cbt2 where she had less charge time which you made a video on.
"Consistently I've been proven right" 😂
Didn't you just put out a video talking about how Break effect teams were flawed?
“Not ready” is the actual phrase you’re looking for.
I will say IMO Iyo is right. Boothill is great character but why, just why a Hunt char have to deal with mobs to get his best performance, are hoyo is not learn from seele kit ?.
when Boothill already have 3 medals he is absolutely have same level as Firefly, but why we have to collect 3 medal first when he DONT have break efficiency, extra turn/speed, good crit play damage
Firefly is like Boothill when he dont have restriction anymore
Because 1. He has way more break efficiency than firefly so doing that much damage off rip wouldn’t be fair at all 2. He gains a shi load of energy and if he was able to spam his ultimate the mobs wouldn’t even get a turn and that wouldn’t be fun 3. This is bias against me and I just think it’s fun collecting the medals
@@Opprite1. He is single target, i think its fair. 2. You know firefly is more more can spam her ulti than boothill ?
if the medals is for balancing just give him help, he dont have spd/extra turn, break efficiency, crit
Like hoyo give DHIL help with his technique and ulti
@@Kaien-qf6cr tbh honest they could’ve just gave him speed I agree with that
@@Kaien-qf6cr and if they do bring out future characters that directly buff boothill he’s gonna shred through everything 😭🙏
@@Opprite i hope they will release char that help boothill, but thats will make firefly stronger too 😔
Would you recommend E2S0(also is e1 ruan mei worth pulling for her)
no get more characters not dupes
I'll go for at least E1 just because it's more comfortable not spending skill points, and her E2 basically makes her a cracked Seele so I think it's worth it
@@darko6115vertical investment is better than characters in this game and has been since DHIL.
@@miguiREC it is, her E2 is on par with most E6s in the game right now.
@@ectoBiologist21 It is, but to be fair, the majority of DPS's have incredibly mid E6s by this point. Like just E2 Acheron for example is already a lot better than most 1.x DPS E6. But yeah, I agree.
Beneath the mask lets gooo!
You should put your music volume higher, I could still barely hear your voice in the vid!
Boothill may have gotten power creep but he is still my glorious king
He didn’t get power crept tho 😭
The one and only
The hill of the boot
Idunno, 0 cycling Aventurine before he even gets to toss his dice is plenty good. He's also got that pose game on lock
He still the strongest single target.
How did he get power creep?
@@DonDon-gy3qgbecause of The Hunt debuff. Yep single target. No matter how high his damage it's still a single target.
All the BG Songs/ OST are fire, does somebody have the list of all the BGM used in this video?
Isn't this the same guy who said that if you had Boothill, you dont need Firefly. Is this video you make it seem like if you got Boothill, you wasted your pulls.
Not at all. Saying one is better than the other (with given context) doesn’t all of a sudden mean you wasted pulls. You pulled Boothill because you wanted him, not because you thought he was the new number 1. You don’t need to have the number 1 everything. Especially if you’re F2P.
I’m sticking with my guy Boothill, there will always be another busted dps in the future
I’ve given you enough grief on other videos Iyo, W video, W content.
Edit: damn the whole video was based takes.
Is it strange that you’re the only Star rail content creator that I watch🤔
So Iyo, is Sam the buff that break Himeko players have been waiting for? If I'm understanding Sam's kit correctly, Himeko's underrated longevity continues to prove the blitz players wrong about her
Edit: Yes.. E1 Himeko and E2 Firefly clap on superbreak teams
love this vid!! i keep rewatching to make the wait for FF a lil less unbearable 💗🙏🏿
Firefly is T0.
sorry but you aint gonna tell me that Firefly is strong enough to bump Boothill down from .5. She has an advantage over him with blast damage, but she is not that much stronger to her that far above him lol
Literally and he keeps denying that his own chat is more based than him
She’s not gonna bump him down from 0.5, most likely she will just be in tier 0
agreed she's almost on par with Acheron but definitely ahead of the rest. Great vid
Anything I should know for E6S1 firefly? Assume it really isn’t changing a lot of how I play
Has 50% more break efficency at E6 so you can possibly use another support like Bronya or Sparkle for more advance forward instead of Ruan Mei.
E1 makes her team have more dps due to having more SP to spend
E2..... Psuedo e6 character, it's disgusting, imo the best e2
E3 and E5 not much to talk about
E4, not a good high eidolon, basically xiao C4 If you know what I mean, more survivability
E6, disgusting.
S1, there are still good options outside of S1 but S1 + e2 makes her abuse AA Better by having enemies act less therefore being broken more often
Yes. Don't
@@ballistic2527 I dont care how shit it is im going to E6 her anyways
@@kennethyoung7457ya don’t do that she’ll lose so much Damage it’s just funny.
so torn i want firefly but i want jade cause mommy and i want to see yunli bah idk
Acheron's damage might seemingly be a bit higher in some situations but part of firefly's damage output is that she can act A LOT per cycle. With 210 speed she can do a ton of damage. Her biggest weakness is that during her downtime between bursts shes not doing any damage.
even within burst if enemies have that toughness bar shes a joke. lmao use firefly against sunday boss youre midfly will be dogshit for how many turns. now wait until hoyo gives more enemies with toughness bar thats more than 1 phase, atleast acheron can bypass any element
@@reedsad4652 looks like we have a coping Acheron main here 😂
@@reedsad4652 If you're running a good team+ a proper build, it should only take a couple turns of firefly's skill to break the boss. Keep in mind too, Firefly attacks very often because of the insane amount of speed. So fully breaking even an end game boss really isn't an issue for firefly.
Are there calcs or showcases outside of the trotter? Not for the advance forward but the 75% atk buff
you lost me when u say acheron is a complete character when she doesnt have a complete team yet.
That’s not anywhere near what a complete character means. If you’re lost, I cannot help find you.
No it means everything in her kit works well with acheron and there is nothing missing from her kit
What’s the song playing through the middle of the video?
NGL, i would prefer if Firefly was more like Boothill where he can deal his own good damage, while Firefly damage is pretty low without HMC. Yes, HMC is free, but it just feels bad that it is not her dealing this damage, but it is HMC doing damage instead. So overall if you have all needed units Firefly is crazy good for sure, but still really limited in her teams.
This is how it is for basically every destruction release
breaking shields is the fun part using break team
I kinda agree on the Boothill take, but I think I'm one of the few break players who don't like Boothill.. His kit is fine, but his typing doesn't help any break teams I run.. I saw getting E6 Pela as a bigger priority.. Being a niche MOC pickup and replacing Sushang on a team isn't good enough for me.. He isn't replacing Sam, HMC, GoatMei, or Gallagher on my main teams.. Easy skip until rerun
Bro persona music buff goes hard🎧🔥
I’m so excited for Firefly! The *onlyyyy* thing that kinda bugs me about her, and it’s just a small esthetic gripe, is the fact that in Sam’s enhanced form, it looks like she has this weird thin little glowing ponytail coming outta the head.
It's suppose to look like the plume that some ornamental knight helmets had.
@@threedotshampoo7408 ooo. I see.
She’s easily top 2 and I think she’s better only because she can implant weakness herself
Bro got laid cuz he hella happy😂
Seele is exactly where she needs to be
Question iyo if two characters have the watchmaker set and the description say it cannot stack does that mean two people can’t have the same set and it won’t work or does it mean the set itself doesn’t stack over time. Just want to make sure it’s worth putting this set on two characters on the same team.
It basically means the effect of the set can only exist once at a time. I don't remember the effects so I'll give a made up example. A set gives 50% dmg bonus for 2 turns but cannot stack: if you've 2 characters with that set and activate the effect, it'll always only give 50% and not 100%, at best might reset the countdown of the effect back to full if it has already consumed a turn before activating it on another character.
If you have 2 of those stacks, you only get the buff of one.
I can't decide if I should get E1S0 FF, E0S1 FF, E1S0 RM or E0S1 RM
Firefly and RM E1 are better imo.
@@bones377 I might go for RM lc instead of her E1 bc the dmg increase in calculations is very similar for both and the lc helps with skill points and can be used on other harmonies as well
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finally a Iyo take i agree with
That's not a hot take
I already know her meta team would work but I'm gonna try her with kafka and Swan. All that BE gonna make them dots hurt
Don't bother Firefly can't work very well outside her team comp it's better to use boothill since bleed dot is op
@@max_mojo4917 I'll make it work. Plus, I didn't pull for boothill
If your bumping up seele you should push up ratio as well. He's better than her.
How about when she doesn't have biased MoC buffs in her favour? Because everyone has been yapping about how OP she is in apocalyptic shadow and current MoC but what im really interested in is how she performs in the previous MoC, like what numbers can I expect?
Also is she any good in PF? Because rn I feel like Acheron is more universal for all/any situation/game mode the game throws at you. Genuinely curious
She is cracked with firefly-himeko synergy in PF also previous MoC buffs didn't really effect her much apart from the trotter and she still destroyed with pretty much same numbers
This is 2nd eidolons so it's purely food for thoughts. Firefly action forward on break would likely destroy pf.
She still broken people have 0 cycled without RM or a MoC buff with FF so ya…
You might be able to look up 2.2 MoC beta showcases. All the ones I had seen had FF winning even with more cracked relics for Acheron.
Lastly, 2.4 leaks suggest that brute forcing future AS may require heavy investment (eidolons). It seems like on one side FF and Acheron might actually just get everyone killed.
Those are some iyo takes
Could you run a sustainless team with Sam, Boothill, Mei, and HMC? How viable is this?
you'd have to have Boothill E2 at the very least because otherwise you will encounter major SP issues
@@sinniiarmzendlegz7100 doesn't E1 Firefly not use sp during her ult?
Or firefly e1@@sinniiarmzendlegz7100
11:00 Can someone explain to me how Seele is apparently so good in Iyo's eyes ? I've been using her since 1.0 but man she just cant keep up. I cant clear MoC with her. She always falls short on her damage no matter how much I buff her with all the best buffers. Obviously my Acheron has no issue whatsoever, and now Firefly is also doing amazing for herself.
Boothill doesn't need HMC to do the same amount of damage on a single target. Boothill can also dish out more dmg on a broken target. It's niche. Boothill is great against bosses and firefly against mobs
Can you swap ghallager for huohuo
Yes but u will lose some dmg
18:18 lmao
“Boothill can’t break the whole board turn 1” is such a disingenuous take, like wow the hunt character can’t break the whole board whoopty doo
I mean its a big problem when you have 2 break dps: one of them is single target and the other is multi target with more spd, action advance, effect res, easier weakness implant, and healing than the other. Boothill single target dmg doesn't justify how much weaker his kit is vs Firefly since so far even multi target dps can clear huge hp bar bosses like Aventurine easy.
There is about zero reason to pull for Boothill if you are pulling for Firefly as his kit does nothing Firefly isn't capable of. I really hope Feixiao said to be a Wind Hunt unit is finally going to not be instantly powercrept by the next multi target dps.
@@kennethyoung7457 My point isn’t about who is better than who, I’m personally in the camp that Firefly is damn near number 1 in the game, my point is simply the idea that hunt character can’t break multiple enemies faster than destruction character is dumb. But let’s play your game, effect res and healing damage you give yourself have little to no value to me in comparisons with the two, so let’s go compare the rest, more speed practically doesn’t matter when one unit gives themselves 50, action advance, boothill doesn’t need HMC, especially not to the extent that firefly does, and can easily swap them out for bronya to make up for it, easier weakness implant yeah, i agree, but once again, he doesn’t need everyone to be physical weak, just whoever he is fighting, and he’s never in a position where whoever he’s attacking won’t be physical weak, so once again we have to ask how much it truly matters that firefly can more easily give everyone fire weakness at once when boothill’s kit doesn’t require anything of the sort. Firefly is easier to pilot absolutely, but she’s not doing anything that you could not accomplish with Boothill just by using your brain
@@seunabe4612Wow, you just discovered why hunt(and erudition) DPS sucks
@@Marto-kh6sm average destruction brain rot
@@seunabe4612if they’re both accomplishing the same things then surely it’s just whoever is easiest to pilot or who you enjoy at that point
First you say you skip now you want to pull LUL
Doesnt bootyhill need his LC?
No.
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Iyo, sometimes you are stretching it, but not this time.
even seele is better than firefly doe anyone read MOC buffs?
She is top 1 easily sorry not sorry Acheron gotta outdated so fast
Holy glaze.. I respect it but I HEAVILY don't fw, I don't know if it's because of people's bias around this character but y'all have been glazing her kit way too much. Don't get me wrong I see her being in the BIG 5, heck even in the BIG 3 but she's 100% not no.1
Realistically, she is 2nd or 3rd. Her dependency to her team is INSANE, she is in the best team in the game SURELY but her kit isn't no.1 worthy imo, she's on par with Boothill for the 2nd/3rd spot WHICH IS STILL GREAT.
correct me if im wrong as ive not finished the video but he already said she's below acheron. Does he change his mind later in the vid?
On par with boothill is crazy
dude...he literally said Acheron was still number one. at the beginning
@@LittleMissZackyVeemeanwhile outside of whale teams FF > Archeron and it’s backed up by math…
I have acheron and use her on daily basis and I'm also gonna get firefly and I saw a lot of things and vids about her in leaks or not so I think I know somethings
If we talking about both e0s0 and e0s1 and e2s1 then (either way both are top 2 anyway so not like it matters)( also both in their current best team)
E0s0: firefly> acheron
E0s1: firefly< acheron
E2s1: firefly= acheron or firefly ≥ acheron
Both are top 2, and also remember break meta is like REALLY new so it's not a surprise she has 1 meta team (firefly I mean) so she isn't as flexible now but her other team options are still 100% viable and do the job.
Acheron at e0s0 has ult recharge problems (not as much but still noticeable very much ) and RNG can f you on your support spds in terms of relic farming, and she is less flexible than firefly due to her nihility restrictions and we have no free nihility character. And power wise at e0s0 firefly is better
With LC, acheron is better, her ult recharge problems becomes much less noticeable than before and while FF LC is good for her obv, it's not as much of an upgrade that acheron's LC is to her.
Both at e2s1 are game breaking, firefly e2 is a psuedo e6 character and there is no doubt about that.
Acheron at e2s1 just gets rid of her restrictions straight up and becomes a ult recharging machine therefore why she is veryyyy strong but Firefly e2 + E1 not only gives more dmg to her team due to not spending SP much, but also can straight up abuse action advance like no other character
Iyo build super break Acheron E6