Amazing! Saved my life from chronic pain due to a rachidien anethesia big needle passed through a former hernia operation... I developed a mild form of cauda equina syndrome. Got rid of it with explain pain and neuromeninger exercices! My total gratitude ever!
Well said. There also needs to be more done for people with numerological /spinal damage. Pain receptors can be damaged by a blood vessel wrapped around nerves causing pressure or myelin erosion
I am a physiotherapist in BC Canada, and I do not walk like that lol! Engaging and impactful lecture. This is an excellent education tool for health care practitioners starting out in this practice area. I wish there was more clinical application............ I guess that is where the focus is now. How do we train inhibition in these very fearful and non-trusting folks??? A sincere thanks for sharing this.
I do not know this man's personal experience, but he is very enlightening. The big problem with many pain scholars is that they have no idea what it is like to be in serious, prolonged chronic pain for many years. It's fine and dandy that people can explain how and why the body starts to do this, but doctors should not require an elongated explanation on this subject. When a patient says, "I am in serious pain," that should be enough. Far too many doctors think that they can explain the level of pain a patient is feeling based on an X-ray or scan. This way of thinking really has to go. I have had to sift through far too many doctors than I want to think about in order to find one who understands what pain patients are actually going through. It has nothing to do with the level of pain that I "should be in." Doctors need to figure that out, and stop asking me about 1 through 10. That 1 through 10 question is insulting. Anyway, basic point here: If you haven't been in severe chronic pain for years, you don't know jack about what pain is really about. I don't care how many books you read about the nervous system, or how many times a snake bit your foot. You do not know jack diddly squat crap without the day in and day out experience of horrid pain. It is so obvious that so many doctors are just absolutely clueless about what we are going through. They have no clue. And why should people have a clue? If you haven't gone through it, then you really have to admit that it is a mystery. It's a very personal experience for everyone, but when the body begins to adapt into pain mode - the pain can become a true nightmare. If you don't have pain meds, you will automatically consider suicide every once in a while as a matter of course. I'm not talking about serious stuff here, but the possibility of just being dead will sound somewhat appealing when you are being stabbed and cut repeatedly. Imagine being in a horror movie where you are being attacked over and over. That is the life of many chronic pain patients like me. So cut the crap out and don't ask me that 1 through 10 BS. It could be a 10 any second, and it's usually around a 4 or 5. You don't know jack about what I'm going through, and few do. That isn't the doctor's fault, but 90% of doctors need a reality check on what they really know about pain. Pull out your needle, stick me with something, and write me more scripts for opiates. Because they help. Do they help a lot? Hell no. It still hurts like crap a lot of the time. I don't abuse them, and I purposefully put myself through as much pain as I can handle. Right now I feel somewhat decent. When the opiates are working for the day, I thank my lucky stars, do some exercise, and try not to overeat. I'm currently working on a book about the history of pain management, and it is also about how the American system is failing in a huge way. We have placed such a huge wall between chronic sufferers and the drugs they need that it is absurd. If you do not understand that we chronic sufferers need opiates badly, then you are part of the problem, not the solution. We do not need rehab, and many of us do not need to "cut down" on our intake when we are still in pain. I use my drugs very responsibly. The people dying from these medications are abusers, and I have known several people who lied their way into pain clinics in order to abuse their medication for fun. One addict I know died from this, and he makes it look like these medications are dangerous to use. They are not. People abuse them for fun, because they are too chicken s*** to go purchase heroin and shoot it. I like this lecturer, but I just want to remind people: YOU DO NOT KNOW JACK ABOUT CHRONIC PAIN IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT. And thank your damn lucky stars if you do not have it, because it is an unholy curse the likes of which you never, ever want. Doctors freaking SUCK when you have this problem. It can be so hard to find compassion out there. I am lucky in that I have found a good neurologist, decent Primary, and an orthopedic surgeon who is good, too. A lot of people do not find the right care, and they suffer horrors. People do commit suicide, because they are locked into crappy care with docs who think that hydrocodone is an effective painkiller (and they sometimes will not prescribe anything stronger!). Hydrocodone is weak when you have serious pain. Okay, I have ranted. Just take my word for it. Us people that suffer from true chronic pain just laugh at many of you scientists and medical professionals that attempt to understand how pain works. Sure, this guy is correct. He's very interesting to listen to, and he raises good points. The sad thing is he is just basically explaining to would-be doctors that YES, CHRONIC PAIN IS REAL. Well, duh. And it's a nightmare.
I hear you! I've had chronic pain for 7 years and my pain specialist wants me to wean off of narcotics because he thinks they make people worse. When I asked how I was meant to manage the pain without narcotics, his answer was "positive thinking"! It really leaves patients feeling lost and confused.
I absolutely agree! I did not understand pain until I got an S1 nerve root compression from a herniated disc for 4 months. I have had multiple injuries from sports, but acute pain from broken bones is a joke compared to the sheer horror of constant compressed nerve root pain. People don't believe me when I describe it, but I just tell them this: Look at me, just when I thought there was no way I would ever quit beer and RedBull to lose a few lbs (I was 220 lbs at 6'2" pre-herniation with solid muscle), as soon as I got the nerve pain and my rehab guy said to lose the weight I only asked how much. He said 30 lbs and I lost it in 6 weeks. THAT'S how bad chronic nerve compression pain is. It is absolutely out of this world and it is 10 out of 10 on a good day compared to all other pain. Right now, as I got skinny and ripped from rehab and pretty much pain free (just some discomfort), I am NOT going back to beer, Red Bull or motocross, even though I love all three to death. THAT's how bad chronic nerve pain is. Take that!
I understand you. I have had/have horrific chronic pain that is managed pretty well with narcotics ( I can work full time in a physical job)- however- I am a PT and got a pain neuroscience certification, and these principles have made me better. My beliefs and habits were the toughest part to retrain. Stress and anger tend to ramp up my nerves and create more brain oriented pain that I feel in my body. It's possible to learn new things that can influence your pain.
Utterly brilliant , you are definitely on your true path , I’m inspired to heal myself from m6 current neck pain , thank you so much this information was so useful to my understanding 👏✨
It helped me with CRPS, which shares a lot etimology with Fibromylagia. Explain Pain is a good way to start. Also, Babette Rothschild's "The Body Remembers" is a great resource. Anything related to brain plasticity helps. I was in a wheelchair for 2 years and no one could help me. I basically did all the research, and applied it, myself. NOI was a huge resource.
Working as a personal trainer with post physio-clients, one thing that I wish more physio's would address is the importance of breathing. Not in a new age pseudo-science way but as efficiently and measurably decreasing pain and muscle dysfunction. As a rule, people breath poorly, in Western culture at least. It ties in nicely to patterning and the inability to differentiate between posture muscles and breathing muscles.
Pain is only registered in the brain, so if the sensation does not reach its destination it can not be felt. But if it is felt I guess we can only mange our response and perspective of the discomfort. There is an interesting book called "Your Body, Only Better" which shares lots of techniques and why it would work based on science and research.
Thanks for this video ive been suffering from chronic lower back pain for more than 4 years or so and ive been to so many physio etc... to relieve my lower back pain But now i might try some of these techniques Just a question though I had an brain injury too would that also contribute to my brain not sending message signals properly ? I had the brain injury before I injured my lower back . Funny you mentioned the pelvic thrust thats what the physio told me may be causing my lower back pain
Great job Lorimer. I'm looking forward to the next few years. There is so much more to learn, but thanks for being a part of the movement to take on the daunting task.
But in spinal facilitation why brain thinks that its dangerous when its not in real. And how to facilitate inhibition? I have severe heat sensitisation and neurogenic inflammation. Its been 6 years haven't found a single help
This is a new type of therapy that consists to give enough knowledge to our pacient to make them undertand that brain has a very important weight in their pain, and then with cognitive therapy and exercise, do pacient to a really succesfull live, recovering all that pacient had lost because of the pain. If you really wants to relieve your lower back pain, you should go to a physio that works with this kind of therapies, and this is hard to do, find one of them. Good luck. Sorry for my english.
Great Talk I have lived with chronic pain for 11yrs and the way Lorimer has described what happens is dead on. Thanks for the information. One question though I have had my doctor recently drop my pain medication with my consent however my pain levels have exponentially increased. is their anyway to decrease these effects as I would love to have a better balance between pain and meds.
The question is, what's'normal'? There are plenty of people with damage shown on MRI, but no pain. I have lots going on with my back, but often I get no pain.
maybe a dulling of the senses and lessening of inhibitions would be worthwile. As in getting falling down drunk. -not joking, I've been thinking about doing this just to see if I still have the same pain/ limitations while being inebriated....
Hi I am taking a pain seminar - we use hypnosis and nlp to change the meaning of pain as you mentioned - great video helps me understand why what I do works - thanks
I jus have one question Guys. I had an argument with my friends over this. Well the question is will the guy or body feel pain if he is be-headed. If Yes for how long will he feel after completely be headed? Kindly reply.
If I were to take my size 9 Ugg knock-off covered foot and apply it to somebody's behind, I'll bet anything that pain would be in the mind and it would also be telling them that it's the behind and not their earlobe that it's happening to. If pain is in the mind, that's probably a good thing because it's telling what part of your body needs attention.
the pain is indeed in your head. what is in your hand is hyper stimulated nerves sending a signal to the brain that the brain is then interpreting as a painful stimuli.
Amazing! Saved my life from chronic pain due to a rachidien anethesia big needle passed through a former hernia operation... I developed a mild form of cauda equina syndrome. Got rid of it with explain pain and neuromeninger exercices! My total gratitude ever!
Well said. There also needs to be more done for people with numerological /spinal damage. Pain receptors can be damaged by a blood vessel wrapped around nerves causing pressure or myelin erosion
I checked out my pelvic thrust immediately after finishing this video.
I am a physiotherapist in BC Canada, and I do not walk like that lol! Engaging and impactful lecture. This is an excellent education tool for health care practitioners starting out in this practice area. I wish there was more clinical application............ I guess that is where the focus is now. How do we train inhibition in these very fearful and non-trusting folks??? A sincere thanks for sharing this.
I do not know this man's personal experience, but he is very enlightening. The big problem with many pain scholars is that they have no idea what it is like to be in serious, prolonged chronic pain for many years. It's fine and dandy that people can explain how and why the body starts to do this, but doctors should not require an elongated explanation on this subject. When a patient says, "I am in serious pain," that should be enough. Far too many doctors think that they can explain the level of pain a patient is feeling based on an X-ray or scan. This way of thinking really has to go. I have had to sift through far too many doctors than I want to think about in order to find one who understands what pain patients are actually going through. It has nothing to do with the level of pain that I "should be in." Doctors need to figure that out, and stop asking me about 1 through 10. That 1 through 10 question is insulting.
Anyway, basic point here: If you haven't been in severe chronic pain for years, you don't know jack about what pain is really about. I don't care how many books you read about the nervous system, or how many times a snake bit your foot. You do not know jack diddly squat crap without the day in and day out experience of horrid pain. It is so obvious that so many doctors are just absolutely clueless about what we are going through. They have no clue. And why should people have a clue? If you haven't gone through it, then you really have to admit that it is a mystery. It's a very personal experience for everyone, but when the body begins to adapt into pain mode - the pain can become a true nightmare. If you don't have pain meds, you will automatically consider suicide every once in a while as a matter of course. I'm not talking about serious stuff here, but the possibility of just being dead will sound somewhat appealing when you are being stabbed and cut repeatedly. Imagine being in a horror movie where you are being attacked over and over. That is the life of many chronic pain patients like me. So cut the crap out and don't ask me that 1 through 10 BS. It could be a 10 any second, and it's usually around a 4 or 5. You don't know jack about what I'm going through, and few do. That isn't the doctor's fault, but 90% of doctors need a reality check on what they really know about pain. Pull out your needle, stick me with something, and write me more scripts for opiates. Because they help. Do they help a lot? Hell no. It still hurts like crap a lot of the time. I don't abuse them, and I purposefully put myself through as much pain as I can handle. Right now I feel somewhat decent. When the opiates are working for the day, I thank my lucky stars, do some exercise, and try not to overeat.
I'm currently working on a book about the history of pain management, and it is also about how the American system is failing in a huge way. We have placed such a huge wall between chronic sufferers and the drugs they need that it is absurd. If you do not understand that we chronic sufferers need opiates badly, then you are part of the problem, not the solution. We do not need rehab, and many of us do not need to "cut down" on our intake when we are still in pain. I use my drugs very responsibly. The people dying from these medications are abusers, and I have known several people who lied their way into pain clinics in order to abuse their medication for fun. One addict I know died from this, and he makes it look like these medications are dangerous to use. They are not. People abuse them for fun, because they are too chicken s*** to go purchase heroin and shoot it.
I like this lecturer, but I just want to remind people: YOU DO NOT KNOW JACK ABOUT CHRONIC PAIN IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT. And thank your damn lucky stars if you do not have it, because it is an unholy curse the likes of which you never, ever want. Doctors freaking SUCK when you have this problem. It can be so hard to find compassion out there. I am lucky in that I have found a good neurologist, decent Primary, and an orthopedic surgeon who is good, too. A lot of people do not find the right care, and they suffer horrors. People do commit suicide, because they are locked into crappy care with docs who think that hydrocodone is an effective painkiller (and they sometimes will not prescribe anything stronger!). Hydrocodone is weak when you have serious pain.
Okay, I have ranted. Just take my word for it. Us people that suffer from true chronic pain just laugh at many of you scientists and medical professionals that attempt to understand how pain works. Sure, this guy is correct. He's very interesting to listen to, and he raises good points. The sad thing is he is just basically explaining to would-be doctors that YES, CHRONIC PAIN IS REAL.
Well, duh. And it's a nightmare.
I hear you! I've had chronic pain for 7 years and my pain specialist wants me to wean off of narcotics because he thinks they make people worse. When I asked how I was meant to manage the pain without narcotics, his answer was "positive thinking"! It really leaves patients feeling lost and confused.
I absolutely agree! I did not understand pain until I got an S1 nerve root compression from a herniated disc for 4 months. I have had multiple injuries from sports, but acute pain from broken bones is a joke compared to the sheer horror of constant compressed nerve root pain. People don't believe me when I describe it, but I just tell them this: Look at me, just when I thought there was no way I would ever quit beer and RedBull to lose a few lbs (I was 220 lbs at 6'2" pre-herniation with solid muscle), as soon as I got the nerve pain and my rehab guy said to lose the weight I only asked how much. He said 30 lbs and I lost it in 6 weeks. THAT'S how bad chronic nerve compression pain is. It is absolutely out of this world and it is 10 out of 10 on a good day compared to all other pain. Right now, as I got skinny and ripped from rehab and pretty much pain free (just some discomfort), I am NOT going back to beer, Red Bull or motocross, even though I love all three to death. THAT's how bad chronic nerve pain is. Take that!
Luke, how I agree with you. I have been living with chronic pelvic pain for decades and doctors just send me to psychologist.
I understand you. I have had/have horrific chronic pain that is managed pretty well with narcotics ( I can work full time in a physical job)- however- I am a PT and got a pain neuroscience certification, and these principles have made me better. My beliefs and habits were the toughest part to retrain. Stress and anger tend to ramp up my nerves and create more brain oriented pain that I feel in my body. It's possible to learn new things that can influence your pain.
Delightful presentation and great to value the complexity of pain in the brain..
Utterly brilliant , you are definitely on your true path , I’m inspired to heal myself from m6 current neck pain , thank you so much this information was so useful to my understanding 👏✨
Funny, interesting, informative and altogether nice presentation. Thank you!
It helped me with CRPS, which shares a lot etimology with Fibromylagia. Explain Pain is a good way to start. Also, Babette Rothschild's "The Body Remembers" is a great resource. Anything related to brain plasticity helps. I was in a wheelchair for 2 years and no one could help me. I basically did all the research, and applied it, myself. NOI was a huge resource.
Working as a personal trainer with post physio-clients, one thing that I wish more physio's would address is the importance of breathing.
Not in a new age pseudo-science way but as efficiently and measurably decreasing pain and muscle dysfunction.
As a rule, people breath poorly, in Western culture at least. It ties in nicely to patterning and the inability to differentiate between posture muscles and breathing muscles.
Awesome presentation.. thanks!! Made me chuckle too!!
Pain is only registered in the brain, so if the sensation does not reach its destination it can not be felt. But if it is felt I guess we can only mange our response and perspective of the discomfort. There is an interesting book called "Your Body, Only Better" which shares lots of techniques and why it would work based on science and research.
Thank You !
Professor Lorimer Moseley is awesome. This is great stuff!
Really enjoyed the presentation, thank you! Also enjoyed the information.
Block B looks light to me. It never changes.
Very informative....thankyou
Thanks for this video ive been suffering from chronic lower back pain for more than 4 years or so and ive been to so many physio etc... to relieve my lower back pain But now i might try some of these techniques Just a question though I had an brain injury too would that also contribute to my brain not sending message signals properly ? I had the brain injury before I injured my lower back . Funny you mentioned the pelvic thrust thats what the physio told me may be causing my lower back pain
In the end, he's referring to an RCT that shows that increased awareness can reduce pain. Could you link to this? =)
Great job Lorimer. I'm looking forward to the next few years. There is so much more to learn, but thanks for being a part of the movement to take on the daunting task.
very interesting thanks
By the way I loved the presentation makes alot of sense
But in spinal facilitation why brain thinks that its dangerous when its not in real. And how to facilitate inhibition? I have severe heat sensitisation and neurogenic inflammation. Its been 6 years haven't found a single help
This is a new type of therapy that consists to give enough knowledge to our pacient to make them undertand that brain has a very important weight in their pain, and then with cognitive therapy and exercise, do pacient to a really succesfull live, recovering all that pacient had lost because of the pain. If you really wants to relieve your lower back pain, you should go to a physio that works with this kind of therapies, and this is hard to do, find one of them. Good luck. Sorry for my english.
Great Talk I have lived with chronic pain for 11yrs and the way Lorimer has described what happens is dead on. Thanks for the information. One question though I have had my doctor recently drop my pain medication with my consent however my pain levels have exponentially increased. is their anyway to decrease these effects as I would love to have a better balance between pain and meds.
Hi Professor Lorimer please read Prof Joanna Zakrzewska’s research.
Is pain only in head..?..?. May be only chronic n also when the X-rays n mri scan show normal
The question is, what's'normal'? There are plenty of people with damage shown on MRI, but no pain. I have lots going on with my back, but often I get no pain.
No the pain is REAL but being CREATED by your brain.
maybe a dulling of the senses and lessening of inhibitions would be worthwile. As in getting falling down drunk. -not joking, I've been thinking about doing this just to see if I still have the same pain/ limitations while being inebriated....
Andreas748 I have just as much pain when drunk, I'm just too drunk to care about it.
Hi I am taking a pain seminar - we use hypnosis and nlp to change the meaning of pain as you mentioned - great video helps me understand why what I do works - thanks
I love the pelvic tilt ^_^
I jus have one question Guys. I had an argument with my friends over this.
Well the question is will the guy or body feel pain if he is be-headed. If Yes for how long will he feel after completely be headed? Kindly reply.
My physio sent me here. Thanks Mark lol
If I were to take my size 9 Ugg knock-off covered foot and apply it to somebody's behind, I'll bet anything that pain would be in the mind and it would also be telling them that it's the behind and not their earlobe that it's happening to. If pain is in the mind, that's probably a good thing because it's telling what part of your body needs attention.
Glial and micro glia are all too often ignored
How come pain killers help. If pain is perceived in the spinal cord and brain?
Its changes your perception of pain in your body by attaching to the receptors if I'm not mistaken
Nice one Lozzle. When I see you I will share my deodorant journey with you - maaaaate :)
Dr Moseley (y)
Is this guy philosophy or something else
Já vou te passar os dados da loja é o nome da pessoa da minha conta da sua irmã é o nome da sua irmã é o nome da sua conta aí te buscar na hora da
Sorry to see, in this presentation, lack of evidence and scientific data, which have been shown quite bit now in literature.
Let me slam your hand in my car door and tell me if it the pain is in your hand, or your head,,,,,
the pain is indeed in your head. what is in your hand is hyper stimulated nerves sending a signal to the brain that the brain is then interpreting as a painful stimuli.
Exercise