My my, you are a legend at explaining these things, i have watched, thousands of videos about mixingin headphones and all these tools, but no any single video made it really clear, sometimes they ignore telling the basics, and even if they do, they talk too much nnecessaty stuffs. Thanks a lot, I also check a TH-cam chanel called HEADPHONES where the person tested lots of headphones and recorded the profile of each can, compared to a audio file, then play back the audio from each headphones, and hundreds of headphones tested, I need someone like you to check and see if they are accurate. But one of headphoe test, there was A shure srh 440a was the flatest or sound closest to the original source, and that got me thinking to buy that headphone, but then confused why most people use Sennheiser HD 600 and HD650.
Thanks for that, much appreciated. Some people hate my style haha. But then no one is forcing them to watch right... About headphones, it is a minefield, a rabbit hole, a wide and varied subject. Trying to choose the right headphones can be tricky. Luckily with the advent of tools like Morphit / SoundID we get a bit of help with this now. Obviously, there are limits. It is no use using a pair of cheap gaming headphones... Or is it? Some people use earbuds as reference. I think the 600/650 is decent idea for that price range for mixing. But they are open back so you can't use them for tracking... (Well, you can but you have to be careful). The thing with these models is they are broadly used. Then you look at the next level like Audeze LCD-X which are 4-5 times the cost? Then we have to think about comfort. Honestly, there is no easy answer, unless you have chance to go to a store and physically try some. Even myself I am never 100% happy, although I use my Beyer DT880 all the time and an old pair of Sen HD265 that I grew up with. I think it might be time to do a new video on this. Cheers once again. P.
Hi phil. Thank you for the great and helpful vid. The music in the vid is a fantastic mix. A question, please. Do you know of a virtual way of obtaining a good car speaker result considering that Morphit does not have a car speaker simulation?
Hi John, thanks ever so much. I must admit since making this video my process has changed quite drastically. Although the principle is still similar, I now tend to use Sonarworks, Sound ID. This was mainly because of the added ability to use room correction (when not using headphones) and also the emulations of other systems. I still use Canopener though. Time for an updated video I think. 🙂
Yet another very informative video, Phil. Thanks for that :) Regarding the routing of different (headphone) plugins for comparison I also use the Cubase control room feature but with multiple monitor busses defined. Perhaps you already have thought about that and decided it wasn't useful for your workflow? But in case you haven't here is what I have done. In the audio connections control room setup, I defined four monitor busses which are all routed to the same physical device port. Normally you can't route multiple busses to the same phycial device port, but in Cubase Preferences you can disable the Cubase control room option 'Exclusive Assignment of Monitor Channels'. With this option disabled you can now assign the same physical output to multiple monitor busses in the control room. You just can't use them at the same time but that is not a problem in this case :) In the control room you then have four separate monitor outputs available named A, B, C and D. And each monitor can contain its own plugins. In my case I have defined the following: Plugins on Monitor output A -Gain for two purposes: to make sure the headphones plugin is not clipped but at the same time make it possible to bypass the headphones plugin without a volume change (the latter would not be possible if I would set the volume in the headphones plugin itself) -Waves NX Ocean Way -Sonarworks with headphone correction profile Plugins on Monitor output B -Gain -Realphones -Sonarworks with headphone correction profile Plugins on Monitor output C -Gain -Sonarworks with headphone correction profile Plugins on Monitor output D -Gain (to be able to volume match it with the other monitor channels) -Sonarworks with speaker correction profile I can now do an easy, and quick!, A/B/C(/D) comparison by clicking on the appropriate monitor channel. The volumes are roughly matched so I can quickly hear the differences while using Waves NX (A) vs Realphones (B) vs neither one of them (C). I can also listen how it sounds on my speakers using D. I find this method works very well and allows for fast A/B comparisons :)
Thanks. Yup this is exactly as I have it now for the last year or so. (My workflow has changed a bit since this video). Mon A: SonarWorks Mon B: SonarWorks with emulation of Mix Cubes Mon C: No Sonarworks and Stereo flipped. Monitor D: Untouched (for OBS streams).
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As far as I know it was not available at the time I made this video. But there are many of these tools now, released since I made this video. They all have their pros and cons. Morphit is still a good option. Personally, I use Sound ID now, but that is partly because I also like the room (monitor) correction.
Hello, when mixing using the headphone and Waves NX activated with head tracker just how realistic is 5.1 surround, can i just use waves NX to mix 5.1 if I don't have a surround speaker set up?
imho Yes. It works really well. As you turn your head (with eyes closed for example) you can almost picture the 5.1 speakers setup. It is also useful for Atmos mixing although a little complex to set up.
Great video I just subscribed! Quick question. In the upper right corner of Morphit you have it set to winter snow. What does that section do and is there a way to turn that function off to get a less colored correction?
Hi, I think the interface may have changed slightly since I made this video. But the top right area is simply the colour of the interface. So, you can choose a colour that suits your viewing. It does not affect the sound. To get "less correction" from Morphit you would adjust the "Morph" amount which is a percentage at the bottom right of the interface. Thanks for watching, much appreciated.
This is not necessarily correct. As some others also suggest being at the end of the chain. Either way around, it will work fine. And of course, no need to turn it off before Mixdown when is it is used in the correct place, as mentioned in the video, as Cubase Control Room inserts are not included in Mixdown.
@@russellharris9674 Ahh I see. In that case, yes, do follow the instructions that are clearly mentioned in the video multiple times, disable the plug-in before rendering / mixdown. :-)
good vid - Dont need control room to do pretty much the same thing - just takes a little work around on routing - set up a ‘mix bus aux” to main outs and a “monitor aux “ to monitor your headphone ..post fader send from the mixbus aux to monitor aux ..essentially a duplicate. Mute the main out until ready to bounce.. CO (and SW4 in my case) on the monitor aux. stays on all the time… mute this and bounce the main outs when ready for mixdown
Another great video, Phil. And right up my alley. I already have Morphit which I use for my BeyerDynamic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm headphones and Waves NX ambience plugin. However, I didn't go with the head-tracker option and after listening to your video through headphones it seems like it might be a important part of the process of mixing in headphones. Unfortunately mixing, and tracking, in headphones is what I have to do much of the time. And hearing the difference between the NX and the Abbey Studio was really nice! It seems great to have to option of listening in 2 different environments. So, I just ordered a Waves Headtracker and the Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin. They should pay you a commission! :-)
Hi Mike and thanks. I wouldn't say the NX Tracker is vital but it can add a lot. Especially when mixing in surround. It is a very satisfying feeling when you turn your head and can almost imagine the speaker there.
@@PhilPendlebury Hey, thanks for the "thanks" on my Facebook post with the drum maps. We must have a lot of the same gear. I just got all the necessary hard/software for the NX tracker today and I'm excited to check it out tonight (Minnesota, CST) So, thanks for the tips!
@@PhilPendlebury I did finally do a mix with the AR Studio 3 and the NX Headtracker. Really interesting. I did make several changes after listening to it through my studio monitors but most of those changes were just level changes. And of course using too much reverb when mixing with the headphones. (duh) Otherwise, things were pretty good. Definitely worth the purchase and as I better learn the setup's tendencies , I will most likely get closer to my intended end result just using the cans So thanks again for the wonderful and informative video!
Hi Phil, I use the waves abbyroads studio 3 and ocean way and I also use Sonarworks headphone reference4. which order would I place them in? right now ive got sonar works last in my cubase control room. is that correct? ive had a hard time finding an answer to this question. Thank you
Hi there. Well for me it is the other way around. Sonarworks first then Abbey Road / NX or Canopener etc. My logic is that the EQ/Phase correction is done first then the Room / Crossfeed emulation. There are many opinions on this though. But this is how I choose to do it.
Use these plugins if you are mixing or referencing in headphones. Where you place them will depend on your DAW. If you don't have a post master output then use your master bus but remember to MUTE when rendering.
Yes they do. It took me a long time to decide which to get first. I actually have both now but at the time I made this video I was leaning towards Morphit, as mentioned. Despite the fact that the curves are supposed to be a "correction" I do think there is an element of "what sounds good to you" involved too. I find with Sonarworks I have to set the range to 75%. Same also after calibrating speakers.
@@PhilPendlebury Yea 100% wet is probably not the best setting for the curve. The thing that bugs me is the price difference, I think it's $35 for Morphit and $100 for Sonarworks, which is huge!!. I don't know if the other features in sonarworks are worth the price? , like the latency options, mono check, etc.
@@santiagoabad2272 Yes that is one reason why I went with Morphit originally. Although tbh Sonarworks does have a slightly more advanced feature set. Still no ability to choose your own target curves though which is a nice feature of Morphit.
Sonarworks tries to flatten the headphone response as much as possible and produce a flat line response but Morphit tries to make your headphones sound like speakers by equalizing the headphones to 2013 harman target curve. Therefore both sounds vastly different than one another
Been demoing both, I agree! Abbey Road makes for nice listening but it's like learning another room, whereas Can Opener (on conjunction with sonarworks) feels like my headphones but more natural
Nice work Phil. I have to up my mixing and mastering game. I think I might use one of your tracks as a reference track in the future. I just published a new music video here on TH-cam if anyone wants to check it out. I’ve got the mix head tracker and the Ocean Way plugin arriving on Tuesday!
With the can opener, listening through my AKG K712Pro, I literally can't hear a difference when you bypassed and enabled the plugin at hyper realistic with maxed out angle. Is there a trial version of this plugin I could test before I buy it? About the only difference I can hear is when you pull the angle closer to zero but that's basically because you are bringing the signal closer to mono.
Hello there, nice video! Can you do a tutorial workiflow on real mixing of a track using these plugins? Just to understand how they work. Thank you so much
@@PhilPendlebury I did. I realised it has a more audible effect when I listen to an instrument that ist panned hard left or right. There I can clearly hear the effect moving from the one side a little bit towards the middle. I best hear it when its only one instrument. In a full mix I can barely hear any difference. Maybe my ears need to get used to it
Maybe I had different expectations, because I read before how it sounds like you listen trough speakers and forget about having headphones on. I can hear the subtle effect but not the way some people describe it
@@michaelknight141 Maybe. But I have to admit it is pretty clear to me. the difference is huge. Maybe you are expecting more room ambience like the Waves NX / ARS etc. But with Canopener there is no ambience. Only cross-feed.
Why would you mess about like that when you can put them in Control Room? But I fear you missed my point(s): 1. People sometimes think they should be there on render. Which of course is not the case. 2. People forget to render though an alternative channel. 3. People forget to disable when they are on Master Bus. If you look around you'll see lots of folks who say things like "Abbey Road Studio sounds great but when I added it to my rendered mix it didn't sound as good". So the reason I hammered that home is to make those folks aware (even some very prolific YT reviewers get this wrong). And finally, this is my workflow, it is not a definitive guide, as mentioned many times.
@@PhilPendlebury because my DAW does not have control room :D Printing to a separate track is a generally good strategy (for other reasons, too) that works in any DAW. But anyways - I get your point - just presented an alternative.
Not for me no. Morphit adjusts the tonal quality before any further processing. So for me it would make absolutely no sense to have it the other way round. Imagine Abbey Road before an EQ. I did research this quite heavily and the majority do it this way. It’s up to you of course. This is my workflow only. Not a definitive guide.
I would recommend you absolutely do not put any headphone stuff it on your master bus, ever. This could lead to issues, if you forget to bypass on a mix, or if you continue your mix on main monitors. In Pro Tools (and other DAW's that do not have Cubase's Control Room flexibility) you can create a new bus for Headphones only and monitor from that. Here is a discussion about from Sonorworks: www.sonarworks.com/blog/learn/creative-routing-solutions/ Also the order is important. Morphit or Sonorworks first. Canopener second.
@@PhilPendlebury yes you can put it on a bus as well, l put the sonarworks as the last insert on my master fader when lm not using can-opener, then disable it when bouncing. Whilst sonarworks is active, it lowers the gain, more headroom, so you don't clip
@@mysticknight3384 As mentioned above, this is not my recommendation. :-) When working to a deadline it is all to easy to forget to bypass anything on the master bus. It may seem complex or time-consuming to set up on a seperate bus but only needs to be done once if you use it as a template. :-)
@@mysticknight3384 For sure you can hear the difference. But ears can adjust to all sorts of weird things. Look at this way. You work on 5 different mixes and you come back to a mix weeks later and you accidentally leave all the cans processing ON and you are mixing through main monitors. Your ears *may* adjust and it *may* start to sound OK. Even if you notice after 10 minutes you may have already made some changes to the mix. For me it is all about fail-safes. We are spoiled with the Control Room in Cubase though for sure. It make things like this very easy. :-)
My my, you are a legend at explaining these things, i have watched, thousands of videos about mixingin headphones and all these tools, but no any single video made it really clear, sometimes they ignore telling the basics, and even if they do, they talk too much nnecessaty stuffs. Thanks a lot, I also check a TH-cam chanel called HEADPHONES where the person tested lots of headphones and recorded the profile of each can, compared to a audio file, then play back the audio from each headphones, and hundreds of headphones tested, I need someone like you to check and see if they are accurate.
But one of headphoe test, there was A shure srh 440a was the flatest or sound closest to the original source, and that got me thinking to buy that headphone, but then confused why most people use Sennheiser HD 600 and HD650.
Thanks for that, much appreciated. Some people hate my style haha. But then no one is forcing them to watch right...
About headphones, it is a minefield, a rabbit hole, a wide and varied subject. Trying to choose the right headphones can be tricky. Luckily with the advent of tools like Morphit / SoundID we get a bit of help with this now. Obviously, there are limits. It is no use using a pair of cheap gaming headphones... Or is it? Some people use earbuds as reference.
I think the 600/650 is decent idea for that price range for mixing. But they are open back so you can't use them for tracking... (Well, you can but you have to be careful). The thing with these models is they are broadly used.
Then you look at the next level like Audeze LCD-X which are 4-5 times the cost? Then we have to think about comfort. Honestly, there is no easy answer, unless you have chance to go to a store and physically try some.
Even myself I am never 100% happy, although I use my Beyer DT880 all the time and an old pair of Sen HD265 that I grew up with.
I think it might be time to do a new video on this.
Cheers once again. P.
Tonebooster's Isone is a free option for crossfeed (released as a legacy plugin). But I Have not tried it yet.
Nice one, I will check it out 🙂
Valuable video... I'm using DT 880 pro as well. This should help me... 🎊
Thank you. Perhaps this one will also help you: th-cam.com/video/f0KxRJAKQn8/w-d-xo.html
Great video and even greater song of yours! Thumbs up, mate!
Thanks Chuck that's super kind of you. Let me know which song you mean (timing) and I'll get a full copy to you.
Great comparisons and also very well mixed songs 😎this worth an abonnement from your cool channel
Thanks, :-)
Hi phil. Thank you for the great and helpful vid. The music in the vid is a fantastic mix. A question, please. Do you know of a virtual way of obtaining a good car speaker result considering that Morphit does not have a car speaker simulation?
Hi John, thanks ever so much. I must admit since making this video my process has changed quite drastically. Although the principle is still similar, I now tend to use Sonarworks, Sound ID. This was mainly because of the added ability to use room correction (when not using headphones) and also the emulations of other systems. I still use Canopener though. Time for an updated video I think. 🙂
Thank you Phil enjoyed the video, Thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks a lot.
Hi Phil any idea how I would apply an instance of morphit in ableton? Just because ableton doesn’t have an equivalent version of control room. Cheers
Hi there. Just put it on your master output channel. But remember to disable it with you export your mix.
Yet another very informative video, Phil. Thanks for that :)
Regarding the routing of different (headphone) plugins for comparison I also use the Cubase control room feature but with multiple monitor busses defined. Perhaps you already have thought about that and decided it wasn't useful for your workflow? But in case you haven't here is what I have done.
In the audio connections control room setup, I defined four monitor busses which are all routed to the same physical device port. Normally you can't route multiple busses to the same phycial device port, but in Cubase Preferences you can disable the Cubase control room option 'Exclusive Assignment of Monitor Channels'. With this option disabled you can now assign the same physical output to multiple monitor busses in the control room. You just can't use them at the same time but that is not a problem in this case :)
In the control room you then have four separate monitor outputs available named A, B, C and D. And each monitor can contain its own plugins.
In my case I have defined the following:
Plugins on Monitor output A
-Gain for two purposes: to make sure the headphones plugin is not clipped but at the same time make it possible to bypass the headphones plugin without a volume change (the latter would not be possible if I would set the volume in the headphones plugin itself)
-Waves NX Ocean Way
-Sonarworks with headphone correction profile
Plugins on Monitor output B
-Gain
-Realphones
-Sonarworks with headphone correction profile
Plugins on Monitor output C
-Gain
-Sonarworks with headphone correction profile
Plugins on Monitor output D
-Gain (to be able to volume match it with the other monitor channels)
-Sonarworks with speaker correction profile
I can now do an easy, and quick!, A/B/C(/D) comparison by clicking on the appropriate monitor channel. The volumes are roughly matched so I can quickly hear the differences while using Waves NX (A) vs Realphones (B) vs neither one of them (C). I can also listen how it sounds on my speakers using D.
I find this method works very well and allows for fast A/B comparisons :)
Thanks. Yup this is exactly as I have it now for the last year or so. (My workflow has changed a bit since this video). Mon A: SonarWorks Mon B: SonarWorks with emulation of Mix Cubes Mon C: No Sonarworks and Stereo flipped. Monitor D: Untouched (for OBS streams).
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What do you think realphones?
As far as I know it was not available at the time I made this video. But there are many of these tools now, released since I made this video. They all have their pros and cons. Morphit is still a good option. Personally, I use Sound ID now, but that is partly because I also like the room (monitor) correction.
How to choose the right aumount of Morph and Gain controlla ? And when simulating wich profile of the emulated headphone Is used ? Thanks
There is an element of what sounds good to your ears. There’s no perfect answer. Start at 30% and increase until it sounds effective to you.
Hello, when mixing using the headphone and Waves NX activated with head tracker just how realistic is 5.1 surround, can i just use waves NX to mix 5.1 if I don't have a surround speaker set up?
imho Yes. It works really well. As you turn your head (with eyes closed for example) you can almost picture the 5.1 speakers setup. It is also useful for Atmos mixing although a little complex to set up.
Great video I just subscribed! Quick question. In the upper right corner of Morphit you have it set to winter snow. What does that section do and is there a way to turn that function off to get a less colored correction?
Hi, I think the interface may have changed slightly since I made this video. But the top right area is simply the colour of the interface. So, you can choose a colour that suits your viewing. It does not affect the sound. To get "less correction" from Morphit you would adjust the "Morph" amount which is a percentage at the bottom right of the interface. Thanks for watching, much appreciated.
Waves Nx directs the customer to put the plugin at the end of the mix buss after the limiter. Just make sure you turn it off before mixdown.
This is not necessarily correct. As some others also suggest being at the end of the chain. Either way around, it will work fine. And of course, no need to turn it off before Mixdown when is it is used in the correct place, as mentioned in the video, as Cubase Control Room inserts are not included in Mixdown.
I use Studio One so l don't have a control room.
@@russellharris9674 Ahh I see. In that case, yes, do follow the instructions that are clearly mentioned in the video multiple times, disable the plug-in before rendering / mixdown. :-)
good vid - Dont need control room to do pretty much the same thing - just takes a little work around on routing - set up a ‘mix bus aux” to main outs and a “monitor aux “ to monitor your headphone ..post fader send from the mixbus aux to monitor aux ..essentially a duplicate. Mute the main out until ready to bounce.. CO (and SW4 in my case) on the monitor aux. stays on all the time… mute this and bounce the main outs when ready for mixdown
@@Ateliersound1That's a lot of button presses when you could just disable the plugin with one click. 🙂
Another great video, Phil. And right up my alley. I already have Morphit which I use for my BeyerDynamic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm headphones and Waves NX ambience plugin. However, I didn't go with the head-tracker option and after listening to your video through headphones it seems like it might be a important part of the process of mixing in headphones. Unfortunately mixing, and tracking, in headphones is what I have to do much of the time. And hearing the difference between the NX and the Abbey Studio was really nice! It seems great to have to option of listening in 2 different environments.
So, I just ordered a Waves Headtracker and the Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin. They should pay you a commission! :-)
Hi Mike and thanks. I wouldn't say the NX Tracker is vital but it can add a lot. Especially when mixing in surround. It is a very satisfying feeling when you turn your head and can almost imagine the speaker there.
Ahh I see you ordered it. Haha. I hope you get on OK with it, do let me know. :-)
@@PhilPendlebury Hey, thanks for the "thanks" on my Facebook post with the drum maps. We must have a lot of the same gear. I just got all the necessary hard/software for the NX tracker today and I'm excited to check it out tonight (Minnesota, CST) So, thanks for the tips!
@@mikemccormick1624 Hope you enjoy it Mike. :-)
@@PhilPendlebury I did finally do a mix with the AR Studio 3 and the NX Headtracker. Really interesting. I did make several changes after listening to it through my studio monitors but most of those changes were just level changes. And of course using too much reverb when mixing with the headphones. (duh) Otherwise, things were pretty good. Definitely worth the purchase and as I better learn the setup's tendencies , I will most likely get closer to my intended end result just using the cans So thanks again for the wonderful and informative video!
This is gold. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Great video! Very useful. Thx
Thanks Peter.
Hi Phil, I use the waves abbyroads studio 3 and ocean way and I also use Sonarworks headphone reference4. which order would I place them in? right now ive got sonar works last in my cubase control room. is that correct? ive had a hard time finding an answer to this question. Thank you
Hi there. Well for me it is the other way around. Sonarworks first then Abbey Road / NX or Canopener etc. My logic is that the EQ/Phase correction is done first then the Room / Crossfeed emulation. There are many opinions on this though. But this is how I choose to do it.
Thank you! Very helpful
It is my pleasure.
Hello . Thank you for video. What superior drummer3 kit you use in first track?
Hi Dima. They are my own edits buddy.
Hi, i want to ask that simple question. What is the true time for using that vst and where if not in master channel? Thank you.
Use these plugins if you are mixing or referencing in headphones. Where you place them will depend on your DAW. If you don't have a post master output then use your master bus but remember to MUTE when rendering.
@@PhilPendlebury thank you!
Have been trying demos of morphit and sonarworks and both give a very different eq curve profile for my Audio Technica ATH-M40x headphones...
Yes they do. It took me a long time to decide which to get first. I actually have both now but at the time I made this video I was leaning towards Morphit, as mentioned. Despite the fact that the curves are supposed to be a "correction" I do think there is an element of "what sounds good to you" involved too. I find with Sonarworks I have to set the range to 75%. Same also after calibrating speakers.
@@PhilPendlebury Yea 100% wet is probably not the best setting for the curve. The thing that bugs me is the price difference, I think it's $35 for Morphit and $100 for Sonarworks, which is huge!!. I don't know if the other features in sonarworks are worth the price? , like the latency options, mono check, etc.
@@santiagoabad2272 Yes that is one reason why I went with Morphit originally. Although tbh Sonarworks does have a slightly more advanced feature set. Still no ability to choose your own target curves though which is a nice feature of Morphit.
Sonarworks tries to flatten the headphone response as much as possible and produce a flat line response but Morphit tries to make your headphones sound like speakers by equalizing the headphones to 2013 harman target curve. Therefore both sounds vastly different than one another
@@clickbaitpro interesting, wonder wich one would suit better for the actual mixing decisions...
Exactly the video I've been looking for! Out of Abbey Road and Can Opener which would you say is the 'safest' choice?
Canopener for safe mixing. ARS3 for second opinion. But bear in mind ARS also does 5.1 / 7.1 etc.
Been demoing both, I agree! Abbey Road makes for nice listening but it's like learning another room, whereas Can Opener (on conjunction with sonarworks) feels like my headphones but more natural
Should we open canopener and starting to mix songs? Am i right? Cause with that vst we can hear song more clear, right?
Nice work Phil. I have to up my mixing and mastering game. I think I might use one of your tracks as a reference track in the future. I just published a new music video here on TH-cam if anyone wants to check it out. I’ve got the mix head tracker and the Ocean Way plugin arriving on Tuesday!
Thanks very much. Not sure that anything on this video would stand up as a reference track though. :-)
Really like your track Riding Alone btw. Nice one.
With the can opener, listening through my AKG K712Pro, I literally can't hear a difference when you bypassed and enabled the plugin at hyper realistic with maxed out angle. Is there a trial version of this plugin I could test before I buy it?
About the only difference I can hear is when you pull the angle closer to zero but that's basically because you are bringing the signal closer to mono.
Correct. And yes there is a demo: goodhertz.co/canopener-studio/
In fact there are demos of all the plugins mentioned afaik. :-)
Hello there, nice video! Can you do a tutorial workiflow on real mixing of a track using these plugins? Just to understand how they work. Thank you so much
@@frascar Yes will look at doing this soon. Thanks.
Thank you Sir.
You are most welcome
What preset are you using for canopener?
It is one of my own presets
I listen to this trough a Apogee Duet and with Focal Spirit Pro Headphones and I can't hear any difference with the can opener
Maybe try the Canopener demo. The difference is quite remarkable tbh.
@@PhilPendlebury I did. I realised it has a more audible effect when I listen to an instrument that ist panned hard left or right. There I can clearly hear the effect moving from the one side a little bit towards the middle. I best hear it when its only one instrument. In a full mix I can barely hear any difference. Maybe my ears need to get used to it
@@michaelknight141 If you understand the principle of tools like this then you will understand why the difference is sometimes subtle. :-)
Maybe I had different expectations, because I read before how it sounds like you listen trough speakers and forget about having headphones on. I can hear the subtle effect but not the way some people describe it
@@michaelknight141 Maybe. But I have to admit it is pretty clear to me. the difference is huge. Maybe you are expecting more room ambience like the Waves NX / ARS etc. But with Canopener there is no ambience. Only cross-feed.
they can absolutely be on your master bus...But than don't render - rather print mix to a separate track :)
Why would you mess about like that when you can put them in Control Room? But I fear you missed my point(s):
1. People sometimes think they should be there on render. Which of course is not the case.
2. People forget to render though an alternative channel.
3. People forget to disable when they are on Master Bus.
If you look around you'll see lots of folks who say things like "Abbey Road Studio sounds great but when I added it to my rendered mix it didn't sound as good". So the reason I hammered that home is to make those folks aware (even some very prolific YT reviewers get this wrong).
And finally, this is my workflow, it is not a definitive guide, as mentioned many times.
@@PhilPendlebury because my DAW does not have control room :D Printing to a separate track is a generally good strategy (for other reasons, too) that works in any DAW. But anyways - I get your point - just presented an alternative.
Shouldn't Morphit be last in the chain.
Not for me no. Morphit adjusts the tonal quality before any further processing.
So for me it would make absolutely no sense to have it the other way round.
Imagine Abbey Road before an EQ.
I did research this quite heavily and the majority do it this way.
It’s up to you of course. This is my workflow only. Not a definitive guide.
You sound like Paul McCartney holy shit
Haha. I've not had that one before. He's from Liverpool and I am Leeds, quite a way off. ;-)
Or maybe I am Sir Paul. ;-)
How can I do it on pro tools? Thanks
I would recommend you absolutely do not put any headphone stuff it on your master bus, ever. This could lead to issues, if you forget to bypass on a mix, or if you continue your mix on main monitors.
In Pro Tools (and other DAW's that do not have Cubase's Control Room flexibility) you can create a new bus for Headphones only and monitor from that. Here is a discussion about from Sonorworks: www.sonarworks.com/blog/learn/creative-routing-solutions/
Also the order is important. Morphit or Sonorworks first. Canopener second.
@@PhilPendlebury yes you can put it on a bus as well, l put the sonarworks as the last insert on my master fader when lm not using can-opener, then disable it when bouncing. Whilst sonarworks is active, it lowers the gain, more headroom, so you don't clip
@@mysticknight3384 As mentioned above, this is not my recommendation. :-) When working to a deadline it is all to easy to forget to bypass anything on the master bus. It may seem complex or time-consuming to set up on a seperate bus but only needs to be done once if you use it as a template. :-)
@@mysticknight3384 For sure you can hear the difference. But ears can adjust to all sorts of weird things.
Look at this way. You work on 5 different mixes and you come back to a mix weeks later and you accidentally leave all the cans processing ON and you are mixing through main monitors. Your ears *may* adjust and it *may* start to sound OK. Even if you notice after 10 minutes you may have already made some changes to the mix. For me it is all about fail-safes.
We are spoiled with the Control Room in Cubase though for sure. It make things like this very easy. :-)
@@PhilPendlebury yes good point it's better to be safe but the obvious would be to look at your master bus on a mix down