After tons of research, reading and watching reviews, and literally getting on a plane and flying to UT to see Force USA’s equipment in person, I decided to purchase the Monster G12. The 1:1 ratio is an important factor for me, though I will reiterate what so many reviews have pointed out - a 1:1 ratio makes certain isolation movements difficult to increase weight (like lateral raises). But it’s necessary for big power movements like seated rows. Otherwise you end up getting stronger than the weight stack on those power movements and you have to hang free-weight plates on the pin or adaptor to add weight. It was easy enough to buy some 2.5lb and 5lb weight stack add-on plates to use on the weight stacks for smaller increases in weight. The Smith Machine is very smooth. Smoother than most I’ve used. The counterbalancing was another key factor for me choosing the G12. This is so my wife can use the machine comfortably and not be starting with a heavy bar. With counterbalancing, she can lift as light as she needs to. And I can still lift as heavy as I want/need to. ***IMPORTANT COMMENT: I ha e NOT been able to find a FID bench that will work on the G12’s Smith Machine while inclined. Meaning I cannot perform incline e bench presses on this Smith machine. I’ve tried several brands and styles, and even Force USA does not offer a bench that works. I wish I would have thought to check that while I was in Utah looking at the machines. I have shoulder injuries so using the Smith was/is a really important factor in me purchasing a new machine. So I am very disappointed that I cannot perform incline bench pressing movements in my nearly $6K machine. (BTW - I contacted Force USA twice about this and they basically just brushed me off telling me they don’t know of a solution. This after putting me on hold to go check their benches on the G12 and then acting surprised on the phone with me when they found out their own benches won’t work for incline presses on their own machine. Aside from that BIG issue, I use the machine regularly and have not had any issues with it.
Thanks for such a detailed comment. You are even more obsessed about research before a purchase than me. As someone who likes to do incline bench with the smith machine, that is disappointing to hear. I’m definitely going to add that element to my product reviews when it comes to all-in-one trainers.
@@StevieRichardsFitness ForceUSA replied to a review I did on their website on the G12, and they essentially said that this issue is a sacrifice for having reduced depth on the machine - and states that I could do inclines using the J hooks and spotter arms using a free bar, which tells me they didn’t fully take in my review in which I said I have injuries that are haunting me these days. I am super bummed to have spent this much money and now not be able to perform a key exercise on it (incline bench press). What’s interesting is that I saw a review on TH-cam where the reviewer was actually doing incline bench press on the G12. I replied to that review to find out what bench he was using, and he replied and said it was an older ForceUSA bench. So ForceUSA used to have a bench that works for this, but now they don’t. And they are explaining it away by saying to just use the free-weight option. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi mate, is it not possible to setup the bench either way to do the incline bench? Or decline for that matter? Also with the latpulldown can your arms extend fully with a stretch at top if you are about 183cm tall. Cheers
While incline benching, you could try putting a phone book, yoga block, etc. on the seat pad. Getting that extra height puts the body in a better angle.
Force USA released a new FID bench a few months ago. I purchased it and it works great on the G12 Smith machine for incline bench pressing. The bench is called Pro Series FID Bench on their website. It’s a high quality bench, and the design of it allows the incline to be set to 30 degrees and the bench fits perfectly underneath the Smith bar.
Bought this peace of equipment but the V2 model, the newer updated one and had it professionally installed this week. Super impressed with it, RRP in the UK was £3,995 but I managed to get £250 off with a code for the Olympics and because I was messed about with a few scuff marks being on the matt black frame work, aswell has having to wait for the weight stack retention plates to come as they were missing in my crate, I managed to get a further £500 back. I have to say this is an amazing peace of equipment I'm super impressed and have enjoyed using it.
This is great. I bought an Inspire M3 last year to add to my home gym and there are some things that it does great, but it’s not even close to this, and the cost difference all in isn’t that much different. Thanks for putting this up! You seem like such a great dude and I’m learning a ton from watching your channel!
hey Steve, heard from a dealer that Force is upgrading the G12, coming out soon. Got no details. I really like the G12 footprint, thats the only one that fit in my space. I really hope you know anything about the upgrades and can share, especially if they go to a 2:1……..😊
That’s awesome. You’ll love it. Did you happen to use the code STEVIE5? It could have saved you a little money. You can shoot them an email and see if they’ll apply the discount- support@forceusa.com.
Stevie Richards wow didn’t expect a response I’m honoured 😉 I got it off eBay, I’m in the UK and the supplier here was out of stock until at least the end of June!! A seller on eBay had 2 left at the same price so decided best not to wait and just got it 👍🏼
Stevie Richards hey Stevie can I pick your brain? I had an email from the eBay seller and he said he may not have a G12 in stock but he has got the G6 available. Can I ask your opinion, basically is there much of a difference? Would you go for the the G6 or would you wait another couple of months for the G12?
Hey Stevie, how do you go with the bumper plates on the storage racks and the smith? I have just purchased a G12 and a set of force USA ultimate training bumper plates. The bumpers fit my barbell fine but I have to force them on the storage rack. It looked like you got them on and off with ease.
Yes they were pretty easy to remove and put back for me. You may want to email support@forceusa.com and they’ll help you. It may be your sleeves. Thanks for watching the video.
Hey Jay, That’s a tough one. The G12 is definitely a great all in one trainer. Personally, I was considering it and ended up going with the G15 because of the dual cable pulley ratios and upgrade kit. The G12 has a 1:1 cable pulley ratio and is a great choice if your ceiling is too low for something like the G15. Also, the G12 right now is $500 less than the G15. One more thing at the time of this comment- the G12 is in stock while the G15 is not. That’s always a consideration with these crazy times. If you do decide to purchase the G12 or anything else, please use my link: www.forceusa.com/stevie
bonjour,je possede la barbarian monster qui est la meme que la G6.a la vue de votre test les cables semblent tres justes.pensez vous que cela vaille le coup de prendre la G12 a la place de la g6?merci
The range of motion from the pulleys seems to be pretty small and limited. Would you say it can be a limiting factor for some exercises using the pulley system? Is the feeling of the pulleys comparable to a commercial gym? Thanks
The feeling is very comparable to ones I’ve used in commercial gyms. I own the G6 and haven’t felt like I’m missing anything. The length of the pulleys can be a little shorter than a full commercial setup, but those also take up way more space.
if you watch the video with the handles the stirrups he had them on the center ring not the on at the end so he probably would of had an extra 6 inches of travel and for context this guy looks very tall
The footprint isn’t that bad at all, especially compared to previous model years of their trainers. I’d check the dimensions and measure your garage, just to be sure.
I’d take the G12 any day of the week. The build quality is much better on the G12 and comes with a lifetime structural warranty. Also, the G12 includes many more attachments than the Precor- including a leg press attachment. The Smith machine, in my opinion, is better on the G12 as well. There’s also a TV mount available for the G12, which is pretty cool. Pricing is about the same and you get way more with the G12. If you do decide to purchase the G12, please use my link. You’ll save a little bit on your order: www.forceusa.com/stevie
@Stevie Richards The 1:1 Ratio seems to be very heavy. I already ordered the G12, but when I see all the comments, I'm a bit afraid that for my girlfiend it's maybe to heavy. There's no possibility to reduce the first wheight plates, isn't it? Furthermore do you feel limited in your exercises, due to you height?
I don’t have the G12 here in my home gym, but had no height issues when using it for a week at Force USA HQ. As far as your girlfriend- you can always take the pin out and use bands for variable resistance. The smooth cable track may make her feel like the weight isn’t that bad anyway.
@@StevieRichardsFitness thank you for you reply. I like the idea with the bands for a variable resistance, but at the moment i'vent clue how to fix them. May I ask do you've a video?
That’s a tough call. There is room and, obviously, you’d have to have your head on the opposite side of the weight stacks. Here is the interior space measurements: 43 in (W) x 34 in (D) x 79 in (H If you do decide to purchase, please use my affiliate link: bit.ly/3mBNGoW
Hi Steve, i bought g12 recently and the cable on the right keep twisting. I see in this video your left cable also twisted a lil bit. Do you have any recommendation how to avoid future twisting. Thx alot.
im ordering G12 but wondering if the shipment is too heavy or I can open the box and bring the parts in my basement - Thats where I plan on assembling this. Please advise on the shipping - Thats my only worry cause I do not have help - Itll be all me putting this tigether.. Thanks
I definitely recommend getting some help bringing the parts in and assembling. The same thing happened to me and I had to take many trips to get all the parts inside. This newer model has a smaller footprint, but still get a friend or two to help you.
I need to know what the exact diffrence is from G12 and G6... Also I've been trying to find other producst similar to the G series. All in 1 gyms. Anyone know of such companys?
It really all depends on your budget. If you have plates and don’t really care about weight stacks, the G9 is the best bang for your buck IMO. THE G6 and G12 are both strong contenders for trainers with weight stacks. There are some differences: The G12 has a 1:1 ratio on the stacks while the G6 has a 2:1 ratio. The interior working space is wider on the G12.
@@raytrei13 I returned my G12 for the G6 for a number of reasons. 1. G12 is too wide so when you re-rack the barbell (7ft) there is no clearance causing you to hit the bar (or bumper plates) on the G12 cage causing unnecessary wear. 2. 1:1 Ratio is very heavy and feels nothing like ANY of the cable machines you find in commercial gyms, it's very hard to pull. But if you're a strong lad, this might not bother you haha. But if you have other friends or family who want to get into fitness and try your G12 machine, they will have trouble. 3. You can not do standing overhead press on the Smith machine unless you're super short. I'm 173cm and I couldn't do a standing overhead press on the G12. The G6 is taller with lots of clearance. 4. G12 Cables aren't very long. If you step out too far from the machine, it bottoms out and hits the top. G6 has a lot more reach, if you felt you needed to step forward a little you can do that. You have lots of cable to play with. I got mine from Gym and Fitness and they allowed me to swap out the G12. You can go for the G12 if you want. I suggest going to a show room to test out the G6 and G12 if you can.
It’s really not that bad. Takes a bit of time and needs at least 2 people. Just take your time and don’t rush. If you do decide to purchase, please use this link- www.forceusa.com/stevie Thanks.
It took my friend and I about 16 hours to install this. The challenge for me was the schematic drawings, which I am not good at deciphering. That being said, the sense of accomplishment upon finishing it was amazing. And it is a great all in one workout station.
After tons of research, reading and watching reviews, and literally getting on a plane and flying to UT to see Force USA’s equipment in person, I decided to purchase the Monster G12. The 1:1 ratio is an important factor for me, though I will reiterate what so many reviews have pointed out - a 1:1 ratio makes certain isolation movements difficult to increase weight (like lateral raises). But it’s necessary for big power movements like seated rows. Otherwise you end up getting stronger than the weight stack on those power movements and you have to hang free-weight plates on the pin or adaptor to add weight. It was easy enough to buy some 2.5lb and 5lb weight stack add-on plates to use on the weight stacks for smaller increases in weight.
The Smith Machine is very smooth. Smoother than most I’ve used. The counterbalancing was another key factor for me choosing the G12. This is so my wife can use the machine comfortably and not be starting with a heavy bar. With counterbalancing, she can lift as light as she needs to. And I can still lift as heavy as I want/need to.
***IMPORTANT COMMENT: I ha e NOT been able to find a FID bench that will work on the G12’s Smith Machine while inclined. Meaning I cannot perform incline e bench presses on this Smith machine. I’ve tried several brands and styles, and even Force USA does not offer a bench that works. I wish I would have thought to check that while I was in Utah looking at the machines. I have shoulder injuries so using the Smith was/is a really important factor in me purchasing a new machine. So I am very disappointed that I cannot perform incline bench pressing movements in my nearly $6K machine. (BTW - I contacted Force USA twice about this and they basically just brushed me off telling me they don’t know of a solution. This after putting me on hold to go check their benches on the G12 and then acting surprised on the phone with me when they found out their own benches won’t work for incline presses on their own machine.
Aside from that BIG issue, I use the machine regularly and have not had any issues with it.
Thanks for such a detailed comment. You are even more obsessed about research before a purchase than me.
As someone who likes to do incline bench with the smith machine, that is disappointing to hear. I’m definitely going to add that element to my product reviews when it comes to all-in-one trainers.
@@StevieRichardsFitness ForceUSA replied to a review I did on their website on the G12, and they essentially said that this issue is a sacrifice for having reduced depth on the machine - and states that I could do inclines using the J hooks and spotter arms using a free bar, which tells me they didn’t fully take in my review in which I said I have injuries that are haunting me these days. I am super bummed to have spent this much money and now not be able to perform a key exercise on it (incline bench press). What’s interesting is that I saw a review on TH-cam where the reviewer was actually doing incline bench press on the G12. I replied to that review to find out what bench he was using, and he replied and said it was an older ForceUSA bench. So ForceUSA used to have a bench that works for this, but now they don’t. And they are explaining it away by saying to just use the free-weight option. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi mate, is it not possible to setup the bench either way to do the incline bench? Or decline for that matter? Also with the latpulldown can your arms extend fully with a stretch at top if you are about 183cm tall. Cheers
While incline benching, you could try putting a phone book, yoga block, etc. on the seat pad. Getting that extra height puts the body in a better angle.
Force USA released a new FID bench a few months ago. I purchased it and it works great on the G12 Smith machine for incline bench pressing. The bench is called Pro Series FID Bench on their website. It’s a high quality bench, and the design of it allows the incline to be set to 30 degrees and the bench fits perfectly underneath the Smith bar.
Bought this peace of equipment but the V2 model, the newer updated one and had it professionally installed this week. Super impressed with it, RRP in the UK was £3,995 but I managed to get £250 off with a code for the Olympics and because I was messed about with a few scuff marks being on the matt black frame work, aswell has having to wait for the weight stack retention plates to come as they were missing in my crate, I managed to get a further £500 back.
I have to say this is an amazing peace of equipment I'm super impressed and have enjoyed using it.
This is great. I bought an Inspire M3 last year to add to my home gym and there are some things that it does great, but it’s not even close to this, and the cost difference all in isn’t that much different. Thanks for putting this up! You seem like such a great dude and I’m learning a ton from watching your channel!
Love the truth spoken about dealing with injuries and body dismorphia
Ended up ordering the G12 instead of the G6 for the 1:1 ratio. Used STEVE5! Thanks very much for your reviews
Awesome. Thanks so much.
When did you place your order?
hey Steve, heard from a dealer that Force is upgrading the G12, coming out soon. Got no details. I really like the G12 footprint, thats the only one that fit in my space. I really hope you know anything about the upgrades and can share, especially if they go to a 2:1……..😊
I have no new information and will keep checking with them. If anything is updated, I'll cover it here.
Ordered mine yesterday
Going to put it in my warehouse at my business, can’t believe I actually managed to get one!!!!
That’s awesome. You’ll love it.
Did you happen to use the code STEVIE5? It could have saved you a little money.
You can shoot them an email and see if they’ll apply the discount- support@forceusa.com.
Stevie Richards wow didn’t expect a response I’m honoured 😉
I got it off eBay, I’m in the UK and the supplier here was out of stock until at least the end of June!! A seller on eBay had 2 left at the same price so decided best not to wait and just got it 👍🏼
Stevie Richards hey Stevie can I pick your brain? I had an email from the eBay seller and he said he may not have a G12 in stock but he has got the G6 available. Can I ask your opinion, basically is there much of a difference? Would you go for the the G6 or would you wait another couple of months for the G12?
Kurt Barlow I would get the G12 if you have the money and room. A 1:1 is better than 2:1.
MrTriple268 does it make a big difference to your workout though?
Put handle on last ring so you have more length!
Hey Stevie, how do you go with the bumper plates on the storage racks and the smith? I have just purchased a G12 and a set of force USA ultimate training bumper plates. The bumpers fit my barbell fine but I have to force them on the storage rack. It looked like you got them on and off with ease.
Yes they were pretty easy to remove and put back for me. You may want to email support@forceusa.com and they’ll help you. It may be your sleeves.
Thanks for watching the video.
Stevie Richards thanks for the response mate, I’ll get onto Force USA and hopefully get it sorted.
Keep up the good quality videos 👍🏼
Hi Steve is the G12 Still the best Bro. Im Looking to purchase a home gym it's Just difficult to decide
Hey Jay,
That’s a tough one. The G12 is definitely a great all in one trainer. Personally, I was considering it and ended up going with the G15 because of the dual cable pulley ratios and upgrade kit.
The G12 has a 1:1 cable pulley ratio and is a great choice if your ceiling is too low for something like the G15. Also, the G12 right now is $500 less than the G15.
One more thing at the time of this comment- the G12 is in stock while the G15 is not. That’s always a consideration with these crazy times.
If you do decide to purchase the G12 or anything else, please use my link:
www.forceusa.com/stevie
@@StevieRichardsFitness Thanks Pal really appreciate it 👍🏾
Nice work man been looking for these G series reviews... where's the G9 workout? I've been looking at that machine
The footage got messed up. Guess I’ll just have to buy one lol.
Yeah I wanna know about the G9 too. Because as of right now the G9 and G12 are available to buy but the G12 is like 5.5k Aud 😭 G9 is 3.6k.
For reference with a 1to1 ratio your cable is going to be a lot shorter than a 2to1.
one of the first things I noticed about Planet Fitness's Smith machines is they seem really resistant without any weight
bonjour,je possede la barbarian monster qui est la meme que la G6.a la vue de votre test les cables semblent tres justes.pensez vous que cela vaille le coup de prendre la G12 a la place de la g6?merci
The range of motion from the pulleys seems to be pretty small and limited. Would you say it can be a limiting factor for some exercises using the pulley system? Is the feeling of the pulleys comparable to a commercial gym? Thanks
The feeling is very comparable to ones I’ve used in commercial gyms. I own the G6 and haven’t felt like I’m missing anything.
The length of the pulleys can be a little shorter than a full commercial setup, but those also take up way more space.
if you watch the video with the handles the stirrups he had them on the center ring not the on at the end so he probably would of had an extra 6 inches of travel and for context this guy looks very tall
Will this be good in a one car garage? Or does it need more room/space?
The footprint isn’t that bad at all, especially compared to previous model years of their trainers.
I’d check the dimensions and measure your garage, just to be sure.
How does it compare to the Precor SCS Inspire home gym? Trying to decide which to get.
I’d take the G12 any day of the week.
The build quality is much better on the G12 and comes with a lifetime structural warranty.
Also, the G12 includes many more attachments than the Precor- including a leg press attachment.
The Smith machine, in my opinion, is better on the G12 as well.
There’s also a TV mount available for the G12, which is pretty cool.
Pricing is about the same and you get way more with the G12.
If you do decide to purchase the G12, please use my link. You’ll save a little bit on your order:
www.forceusa.com/stevie
@Stevie Richards The 1:1 Ratio seems to be very heavy. I already ordered the G12, but when I see all the comments, I'm a bit afraid that for my girlfiend it's maybe to heavy. There's no possibility to reduce the first wheight plates, isn't it? Furthermore do you feel limited in your exercises, due to you height?
I don’t have the G12 here in my home gym, but had no height issues when using it for a week at Force USA HQ.
As far as your girlfriend- you can always take the pin out and use bands for variable resistance. The smooth cable track may make her feel like the weight isn’t that bad anyway.
@@StevieRichardsFitness thank you for you reply. I like the idea with the bands for a variable resistance, but at the moment i'vent clue how to fix them. May I ask do you've a video?
Do you think there is enough space between the Smith machine bar and the back to do hip thrust ?
That’s a tough call. There is room and, obviously, you’d have to have your head on the opposite side of the weight stacks.
Here is the interior space measurements:
43 in (W) x 34 in (D) x 79 in (H
If you do decide to purchase, please use my affiliate link:
bit.ly/3mBNGoW
Thank u
Hi Steve, i bought g12 recently and the cable on the right keep twisting. I see in this video your left cable also twisted a lil bit. Do you have any recommendation how to avoid future twisting. Thx alot.
hello, did you manage to solve the problem ?
im ordering G12 but wondering if the shipment is too heavy or I can open the box and bring the parts in my basement - Thats where I plan on assembling this. Please advise on the shipping - Thats my only worry cause I do not have help - Itll be all me putting this tigether.. Thanks
Thanks STEVE!!! I used your disc code and it took some off the MRP... Thanks again
Thanks for using the code. I appreciate it.
I definitely recommend getting some help bringing the parts in and assembling. The same thing happened to me and I had to take many trips to get all the parts inside. This newer model has a smaller footprint, but still get a friend or two to help you.
@@StevieRichardsFitness Thanks for your quick response. Much appreciated.
is this really 223cm in height? cause i only got 225cm height available..really wanna be sure
The height listed on their product page is accurate.
morning how are you?i want to know what is the best for home gym..monster g3 or my rack ultimate?
I haven’t heard of the ultimate. However, I’ve used the MyRack and G3. Of you have the budget, the G3 is a great value.
Stevie Richards thank u 🙏🏼
Do you have any experience with the Brute Force 360PTX?
I do not at this time. I’ll definitely check it out though.
I need to know what the exact diffrence is from G12 and G6... Also I've been trying to find other producst similar to the G series. All in 1 gyms. Anyone know of such companys?
I was looking at the 360ptx but I’m going for the g9. I don’t think you can return the 360ptx if you don’t like it.
Get the G6 bro.
Does the G12 needs to be bolted to the ground?
Mine isn’t and is very stable.
pec dec support? can I buy it?
No pec deck, but you can do cable crossovers from any angle.
Hello. Which is better g6, g9 or g12?
It really all depends on your budget.
If you have plates and don’t really care about weight stacks, the G9 is the best bang for your buck IMO.
THE G6 and G12 are both strong contenders for trainers with weight stacks. There are some differences:
The G12 has a 1:1 ratio on the stacks while the G6 has a 2:1 ratio.
The interior working space is wider on the G12.
@@StevieRichardsFitness great now i know that g12 is for me. I like weight stacks
@@StevieRichardsFitness yes i need space inside i guess g12 is the better one for me. Awesome help bro. G12 is still out of stock.
@@raytrei13 I returned my G12 for the G6 for a number of reasons.
1. G12 is too wide so when you re-rack the barbell (7ft) there is no clearance causing you to hit the bar (or bumper plates) on the G12 cage causing unnecessary wear.
2. 1:1 Ratio is very heavy and feels nothing like ANY of the cable machines you find in commercial gyms, it's very hard to pull. But if you're a strong lad, this might not bother you haha. But if you have other friends or family who want to get into fitness and try your G12 machine, they will have trouble.
3. You can not do standing overhead press on the Smith machine unless you're super short. I'm 173cm and I couldn't do a standing overhead press on the G12. The G6 is taller with lots of clearance.
4. G12 Cables aren't very long. If you step out too far from the machine, it bottoms out and hits the top. G6 has a lot more reach, if you felt you needed to step forward a little you can do that. You have lots of cable to play with.
I got mine from Gym and Fitness and they allowed me to swap out the G12. You can go for the G12 if you want. I suggest going to a show room to test out the G6 and G12 if you can.
what about g20 force usa is selling on europe?
I’ll hopefully be getting a look at that soon.
Seen that in the back of a truck. So many boxes lols.
Love to buy one of these. I bet the installation is pain in the butt.
It’s really not that bad. Takes a bit of time and needs at least 2 people. Just take your time and don’t rush.
If you do decide to purchase, please use this link- www.forceusa.com/stevie
Thanks.
It took my friend and I about 16 hours to install this. The challenge for me was the schematic drawings, which I am not good at deciphering. That being said, the sense of accomplishment upon finishing it was amazing. And it is a great all in one workout station.
There's a TH-cam video how to set it up which is the only reason I'm looking at getting this g12 and also the 1:1 ratio
G series stands for Good..As N dun good
yes right to censor