What if MODERN F1 Raced at Spa in 1934?
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Safest FIA Grade 1 Track from 2034 [colourized]
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Hi jarno, my grandfather knew one of the drivers that raced in 1930s in the “ex-Formula1” and he presented it to me, that driver told me it was called Limited Formula, the cars were basically yeah, a shitbox, i have pics with one of them, they cut pieces of the aluminum just to refrigerate the driver or the car, it was a death machinery basically and they didn’t reach 300kph in those years but they reached about 230/250 kph if i remember correctly
They had of course 3 pedals and one very interesting thing was that the clutch was at the right of the car with the accelerator and not on the other side, the brake was actually on the left but the 3 pedals weren’t together, the brake was alone on the left and the other 2 on the right separated by the wheel column
Sorry for the long message but yh a stroy i wanted to share
Goated insight. That's awesome
@@EthanDean57 thanks mate, appreciate it, i have some pics if u want to see it, just tell me your tweeter or insta🙂
@@EthanDean57 thanks mate, appreciate it.
I have pics of that so if u want to see it just tell me your insta 🙂
Cool story 👍
@@Issam-od4pg thx
perez would still be out in Q1
Agree 😪
And Sargeant still beat him
That's so mean. True obviously but still 😂
not wrong🤔 .oO (😭)
True
The fastest lap set during the 1934 Belgian Grand Prix was a 5:45.0, by Antonio Brivio driving a Bugatti T59. (I can't find quali times, but he was on pole too)
The starting grids were drawn by ballot back then. There was no qualifying
I doubt they managed to hit 300kph then, unless the acceleration of modern F1 just saves that much.
@@RJA its about 230 250kphs
@@RJAf1 has been hitting the same top speeds for about 60 years(1966 they changed the engine regs from 1.5L to 3L) its just been cornering speeds and acceleration that's improved MASSIVELY since then
@@RJA In 1937 there was a year with nearly no rules, that was where all the crazy F1/AIADC cars came from - W125, Autounion 6L V16, Alfa dual straight-8 engine etc.
They had 375-550 hp in racing trim and the W125 was measured at 646 hp in qualifying trim and did reach just around 300 km/h in some tracks at the end of the straights.
Imagine 750 kg cars (loaded) with 5.6 - 6.0L engines and big superchargers on top of that + very toxic exotic fuel mixtures - Oh and almost no brakes (big drums).
But the tires were made of "stone" and could last a lot so they slid em through corners in 4-wheel drifting patterns and steered the drift with the speeder pedal.
Imagine losing control and going straight into a house at 300kph
That still happens on occasion in the Isle of Man TT 😮
So modern WRC rally CER, or Ypres, or Croatia, or Latvia, or... (ok, that's 200kph not 300)
Didnt that happen to Jackie Stewart?
Jarno driving a tractor around the country side for extra immersion
Underrated comment.
@sgddfgfghfgh jesus, it was a joke relax dude
@@sgddfgfghfgh bro you're tweaking
@@LoudSiren-123 exactly lol
@@sgddfgfghfgh Real life racing of a modern car in 1934?
11:58 we need more tommy memes “That’s Radillion, actually 🤓☝️” it was such a viral meme even Crofty had to say it on live
4:32 Blud started talking morse code
Speaking XQC
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Back then : No down force, 6 to 10cm wide non-slick tires, friction shock absorber, drum brakes, no seat belt, folkloric helmets, spectators casually crossing the track, maybe some hay bales instead of railings. Then, narrow cars with a high centre of gravity.
Notice how there is NO pit lane. The pits are right beside the track without any separation between the two.
Also until the 1950s and average of 15% mortality rate per season 😅
Ferrari strategy here would mean nuclear armageddon
No wonder Jarno had reliability issues, racing with cars in 1934 grand prix had them as well, it's realistic 🗿
No wonder theyr where that much deadly crashes. One small mistake and Jarno ends up in the trees at 210km/h.
I love recognizing publics roads that I regularly drive on around the modern track on race weekends
Not only did they not have any downforce. Their tires were so hard that the same set of tires lasted multiple race weekends 😅
rip crowdstrike
Right? What wonderful timing lol
1:57 u can see have f1 car improved over the years. back in the 50s, or even the 60s, until spa change this layout to what we used to know, that corner right there was once the most dangerous corner in there world. The reason is because u want to flat out it (or minimum lifting) to gain most time. However, due to the areo (mentioned by Jarno multipal times at the beginning), it is very easy to crash and injured or die (cuz u hit a wall at 300kph without any protection). And now u see Jarno just flat out while talking. The evolution is crazy
The corner you mean is at 2:11 and is the Masta Kink. It was dangerous because it is a chicane that goes uphill so the car becomes very light at the top and you are prone to slide out ass first to the left. Jackie Stewart crashed there in 1966 and ended up in a house basement covered in fuel with the car ontop of him with redhot exhaust pipes very near him.
He could easily have died burned alive, but got out and to the hospital and that started his campaign to make F1 safer, closing down Spa and Nurburgring to change em.
Nurburg got rid of a lot of hedges and bumps and did not die to F1 till Lauda burned in 1976, but Spa died after 1970 and became the racing mini circuit we have today.
@@barath4545 Although it would of been nice if they kept the original circuit layout just with additional safety barriers and such. Nurburgring actually looked sketchy and scary back then as well and stll is today, although it's not entirely surrounded in forest anymore.
13:56 "oh hello my friends😁 how are we doing up here🤔" 😂💀
feels like a rally stage
Basically, yes.
Originally a Grand Prix only requirement was that it was more than 300km long and paid a large prize (grand prix).
All other rules were up to the organizers. So races would be ran like Dhakar with multiclass of cars and motorcycles in several tracks.
The Nurburgring was weird for having motorcycles on a different week. 😂
15:46 "it's bwoken" 😂😂
"Samir, you're breaking the car!!"
I drove those roads IRL multiple times in recent years and I always find it insane how those old guys back then could drive it +230km/h when even at 80km/h in modern days it can be tight
It used to be the safest track around, if you lost control at Masta there was a house there to catch you
@@fidan2fast 😂😂
Just Fanatec things with the wheel there lmao
That haas XD 14:48
Even though the track name says 1934, the first Spa 24hr took place in 1924 and the first grand prix in 1925 so this track is 100 years old..
5:53 some Alonso driving style
4:35 bro is killing me with laughter
Long full throttle into hairpin. Repeat. Corporate wants you to find the difference to a Tilke Special 😄
My dad was born in 1934. It is weird to let it sink in that he could have been there and that the location looked like that. I miss him.
This with 1950s F1 sigar cars would be the ultimate combination.
When every race was less safe and more insane than Isle of man TT.
fanatec cooking as always
Fanatec cooked up being fuckin bankrupt
Looks like a rally stage tbh 😂😂
Man broke the wheel with his BARE HAND, respect
I have commented this on a lot of other sim racing yt comment section, mainly gt7 ones like super gt. WE NEED OLD VERSION OF TRACKS LIKE SPA, LE MANS, HOKENHEIM, and even the pescara circuit.
YES PLEASE !!!
Assetto corsa has so many classic track mods
@@zachdebuhr6347 for pc, im a brokie so console is da way
Wow! AC does a great job in reproducing the vacuum cleaner noise of modern F1
Random future f1 youtuber 2134: "what if futuristic f1 raced at spa in 2024 🤯"
The Auto Union Type D was described as, "A Bathtub, full of Petrol and four bicycle tires."
And about as safe as it sounds.
Track so bumpy it broke your wheel in RL. AC Best Sim.
A racing series, where they would drive these kind of tracks, and maybe 1 or 2 hours prior to qualifying starting, they would get to know the track they are driving on. would be fun to see imo.
just to think they had to drive arounf tracks like pld spa, old nord, old avus, ect not knowong the corners coming up/breaking points in literal aluminum cans with fuel everywhere around them, no seatbelts, no aramco barriers, ect.
“Very low wings, we are not gonna be as fast in the corners”. There’re no corners in this track, bro
It's insane how well they made the area look like Walloonian countryside
Imagine crashing on the old part of the track back in those days. No radio to call for help and nearest medical assistance is 15 mins away at best, your car is on fire and is made of farts and glue while wearing a "helmet" of leather and no seatbelt
crazy to think that you can see blanchimont and La source on the old track in the new track of today, such a historical masterpiece!!
Be careful with crowdstrike, your car might get bricked going into Eau Rouge
Jarno? -Jarno Saarinen. First (forgotten) modern style motorbike racedriver?
I think people in 1950 were perfectly aware of the concept of "downforce", Jarno, considering they mastered flight 40+ years earlier - which requires using lift, the opposite of downforce
Actually, front and back wing weren’t added to cars until the 50s, the effectiveness of downforce wasn’t known yet.
Set your goals high, and don't stop till you get there.
the music from og f1 games😍
irl dnf in sim racing ive seen it all
In fact, some racing cars from the 1930s exceeded 400km/h, not "just" 300km/h.
Theres an interview of fangio in spanish were he says insome tracks you were able to reach 300 with the car but the problem was the tyre technology. He explains that at a certain point the tyre will start to stretch and deform leading to failure, so they had to set up the carss for that tyre limit and no more.
Is it from the documentary? I watched that a few years back but dont remember everything from it.
@@jarnoopmeer I was trying to find it today and i couldnt. First i saw it in a vhs that i bought on the Fangio museum, but im pretty sure i saw it on youtube too
Went to Belgium GP 2024 and coaches/cars park on the road down towards Marmady. Walked from there to seat on Eau Rouge. Superb circuit and great to know I was on the old circuit before entering Les Combes.
Gday from Perth WA
Love your videos Jarno and especially these different videos u do,,
What I would love to see is for u Jake and a few other Esport drivers to have an F2 Race
Something Different and a Good Challenge for u all👌🏽😉👌🏽
I wasnt expecting this video to double as a "current state of Fanatec" video
One of my favourite tracks from Grand Prix Legends. Sadly, I can't get it to work anymore.
I believe you can still walk and explore the left hander and right hairpin, you could see the old skinny curbs, I did it a few years back, not sure if the rally X rack has removed some of it now though.
the wheel has had enough
1:32 Not 300 but probably 20 to 50 kph less. I remember someone was talking about the most powerful early 50's F1 car - BRM P15. Even having 1/3 more ponies under the hood than competitors had was just enough to reach 300 kph. Nevertheless, drivers were shitting enough bricks to build another house in there. Who owned a car witn barrell breaks knows, breaks' forces are not pefectly allighned between wheels, which leads to car being pulled to the side, and you need to have big enough balls (or be drugged to the gills, which was also the case) to countersteer under braking. Also barrell breaks were turbo-inefficient. You needed to step on the pedal about 200 meters away to be sure you don't miss the apex. Some teams even utilized additional air breaks like fucking dive bombers.
Must be close to the feel of racing a superbike at the Isle of Man TT, just less scary 😂
Interesting fact, this is the pre-1939 layout. For 1939, they shortened the course, skipping the hairpin at the town of Stavelot (which the corner is named after) and instead having a long right hander right before you enter the town. This was the layout that was used until 1978.
1934 Spa was so crazy it literally broke your steering wheel
5:12 I believe the phrase is "agricultural racing".
5:04 Jarno would RIP even with a halo. 180 into the trees
I used a whack method of driving this map. I was on MX bikes using a superbike mod on the 1965 edition which takes some of the roads on the right hand side of the lap. It's definately more flowy than the '34 edition.
Jarno casually driving the insanely complicated VRC F1 car like it's nothing
14:47 in the rearview mirror you can see a car visit the shadow realm
O sh't. Imagine with these modern low profile tires. If this was for real the car would break before it had done a lap.
Jarno you are being talked about in the formula one community as the Fastest Sim driver in the world . 👌🏼
A weed is no more than a flower in disguise.
racecar were not doing 300kph in 1934 but more 210kph. even though a mercedes prototype reached 300kph in '30s, it was not a race car
Not to mention their idea of going faster back in the day was to create more and more powerful engine. As a result, it requires the driver to have balls of titanium to even step on the throttle let alone go flat out.
13:56 bros said “yo wassup man we’re doing some picnic wanna join us?”
Wasnt that version of Spa like, 97% full throttle?
Yep quiet a lot tracks were in that era. GP's were much more of endurance races lasting several hours.
It wouldn’t have been formula 1 cars but Grand Prix cars going down here. Some of them were rather insane
That left then right where you went into the trees was the hardest corner on the track.
they set records of 400 kph in the 30s with the auto union C but in a straight line and only once lol because of how dangeours it was
Modern eau rouge and raiddilion is cool but this is next levell
Lmao I also always crash out at that unexpected chicane
She was the type of girl that always burnt sugar to show she cared.
I think doing 270 kp/h on those roads even without potholes calls for screaming your lungs out.
There is no way even 170 kp/h some wouldn´t be very major asskicking shakes and jolts territory. Compared to the seed like granule ice rinks of today, these were extreme offroad tracks.
Now do it with a time accurate car as well. Don't forget to break 5km in advance!
I did read about it years ago, but I believe that a driver went missing and another driver said look if he crashed there.
And by there he meant the trees you crashed twice.
More assetto corsa videos, that vrc f1 car is insane
No weaving on the straits!
13:53 Safety Car Safety Carrrrrr
In a lap like yours in the old Spa you would have died three times! Forget it, it's better
You should rave at Macau street Circuit
Fanatec things
wheel is bwoken!
f1 cars before 1950 = grand prix car jarno 😂😂
The cosmos is neither moral or immoral; only people are. He who would move the world must first move himself.
5:11 sorry man you walked into a death trap
Being this layout back !!.. i wanna see Lewis and Max fight it out.
I can't believe this is the eighth time I'm smashing open my piggy bank on the same day!
Bro broked his Fanatec F1 wheel 💀💀💀Bro should get a new one for sure
Great editing!
Imagine people in 1934 reacting to some of the modern sponsors like TeamViewer. Their mind would be blown hearing about some device that lets you control someone else’s typewriter and even see their face.
Try it again with an old car from 1960 with simply no aerodynamic.
That's interesting then!
I did it many years ago with grand Prix legends.
GP racing was wild
What if F1 raced at the Isle of Man TT