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Wait wait wait, server meshing is still not there? I remember during covid people were arguing with me "it's going to release this year, they already showed it work, it will change everything, it's going to be revolutionary thing that no one ever did"...

I wanna he fidelity qa but i dont rhink rhey care nuch about fidelity ar rhis point

Forgive me..but “your company”..you can’t be older than 16-18 years old. What kind of company and how many employees does this supposed company of yours employ?

I have a friend that wouldnt give a QA pass for the loading screen on star citizen. QA is nonexistent, they just covering their asses for features they lied about 10 years ago.

I don't think QA as individuals is being blamed or QA as a Department, which often it is categorised as. But i think what people really mean is QA as a process and the resulting questions in priotisiation. I am assuming CIG is prioritising new Features and they barely consider issues or have the lack of tools to collect the necessary data to correctly solve them. I work in Software as a Product Manager and it is a constant balance act to ship features vs having to make sure issues are adressed. And you don't fix all the issues all the times, sometimes you know you swap systems out and don't want to invest a lot of work in something used now. They can hide behind the Alpha tag ofc. Now focusing on Replacement System can be OK if the time to market is relatively short and you can work with a few band-aids until you fixed it for good. Now the Problem is, that their feature development velocity is so cripplingly slow, that people of course will be frustrated if features are barely working on LIVE and you take years to make any type of progress. This gives people a shit experience now and 0 confidence that it will improve eventually. They are in over a decade now with nothing to show for it.. To compare: World of Warcraft Development began in 1999, released in 2004 and was able to release BC (2007), WotlK (2008), Cataclysm (2010) and almost Mists of Pandaria (2012).. SC in the mean time didn't even leave Alpha :')

Development hell to me is when the developers are blamed personally and need to do unacceptable overtime. But i can see where you are comming from. I backed 9 years ago soon at 26 now i am 35. But i always take it for woth it is. a fun tech demo they turned extreemly slowly in to a game. 15 years ago i accepted all preorders to be scams and to expect nothing. It makes life more enjoyable.

i was in QA in a leading position for 13 years... and QA is not the problem that CIG faces. Their problem is that they are utterly incapable to get anything done, besides timesinks.

We are QA

Let's stop the charade, we all know the backers (current players) are the real QA.

These video's you make about QA are pointless when it comes to Star Citizen. I wouldn't say this game was in early access or even a Beta in the sense most people are familiar with these day. I would say it's more like your being allowed to play a game that's in still in early-mid development, expecting them to test and fix things that are constantly being changed is a exercise in futility and a waste of development time. The sooner people realise this the better. Talking about QA closer to it's completion would make alot more sense, which will most likely be many years in the future unfortunately. It might be a hard pill to swallow for most people but that is the reality. Just be glad there's at least one development studio out there trying to make a truly next-gen game and you get to at least have a peek behind the curtain in its early stages.

I mean you only have to look at SC's track record of pushing out patches early to know you guys have a hard time getting half of the testing done that is needed before management pushes things out, its over your head and personally I never blamed QA

I would revise the employment status of every single person working QA at CIG. I say that as a person who does QA for a company, and we don't accept mistakes. Although we are held up to federal regulations / standards as we are a med company.

I appreciated the content and perspective. Your sound was good and production values were high with video matching what was said. One critique: Your video is very distorted. Almost like your FOV slider has changed from default. This gives it a very fisheye quality and is nauseating to watch and very unappealing. This was less important for this video which largely was about the audio content presented but still made me want to click off the video multiple times. Keep up the great work!

I'd pay to review a spec sheet and checklist of completed tasks when they implement a new feature to test. Hows the sever performance affect your QA tests? Do they provide an offline server to bypass those bottlenecks? IMHO we backers are the QA without the internal ticketing system.

You really think just because you did something for many years you know what you are talking about? The people who sit on the couch all day and then make youtube videos about something they never did or learned anything about, THEY are the true experts!

I would be very interested to see what their automated integration tests look like. A system this complex, the cost to fix must be very high by the time it hits evocati testing.

Funny, when I learned to program for commercial stuff, my teacher said. If you test it, please test as if the cat is dancing at the keyboard and see what happens. He was right, customers do things you can't even imaginewhen you build a program and if you talk to them, most of the time they say "well I didn't do anything special" and you know they have to pushed a whole lot of buttons before the problem could appear. 😄

Star Citizen is an alpha under development, they are constantly adding new features, gameplay systems, etc. in a game that already combines thousands of different interconnected things. Every single update is extremely likely to bring-in issues with new features as well as old features that worked perfectly fine before. If they took time to do a perfect QA testing phase to eradicate all bugs for each live release, the development wouldn't never be able to move forward. You said it yourself, they don't have enough time. Same goes for what you said about testing with users. Star Citizen actually has a really strong infrastructure for that with the issue council. Internal tests unveil issues but not all of them, that is why every patch then goes into a testing phase with hundreds of Evocati players basically doing the job of QA testers. Then, once major and game breaking bugs are identified and reported, devs do their best to fix it. But even this is not enough, because some issues are sometimes so niche or happening under very specific conditions, even an Evocati testing environement won't unveil them. This is why each build gets into PTU Testing afterward, with thousands of testing players, and then even the LIVE release sometimes unveils issues that where not apparent during PTU testing. Only having internal QA testing for a game like Star Citizen is just impossible, and the current system CIG is using for QA testing is working extremely well to identify bugs and issues and fix the major ones for each patch to be able to provide LIVE release as stable as possibles all while still moving forward with the development of the game.

Can you give some perspective on why SC bug reports so often don’t get addressed? We very often find bugs that seem like they don’t happen to many people. But it genuinely breaks the game for a small group of people. It seems they devs don’t see these as a big enough issue to look into. I see this all the time and it piles up into a buggy mess of a tech demo.

No doubt that classic wow is one of the greatest games of all time. The memories, social aspect, and story building is top tier. Everyone should try it at least once. Rarely anymore do you get an uncorporatized passion project game loaded with content and players. Glad you enjoy.

Back in classic, I stacked agility on a mage for "faster attack speed" and I sold staffs with actual stats on them for staffs that had high melee attack power thinking it would increase my damage. I didn't do a single quest leveling up and also didn't know about addons, but I still managed to grind mobs all the way to 60! I tried using thotbot, but I wasn't really good with it. I would give it all to go back and travel under stormwind with my mage friends. Lilshorter (gnome mage), I miss you man, hope all is well! - Thunderknigh

CIG really needs to start getting functionality out, and worry about polish later. Get a new ship out with it's functionality working, then worry about the thousand or so damage states later. They don't need to wait until a planet or moon has all of it's outposts designed. They could get a moon or planet out, and add outposts and POIs over time. They spend a year creating a single large space station.. and they talk about how they keep developing tools to make future development go faster. But here we are, still not seeing these space stations, or these outposts getting released in a timely manner. IMO they should release to the public some of these tools and assets and let the public work on space stations in exchange for in game stuff. They'll see people designing the most amazing outposts and space stations with immaculate details. Then the station/outpost designer could submit a video to a CIG dev, if it gets the approval then it moves up the chain to more senior devs to actually give a run through on the station and if all is good, it gets put into the game. If it doesn't get the approval, then it just gets sent back to the designer for fixes. Stuff like.. "this pathway isn't ideal" or "food courts need to be separate from general or ship merchandise." IE no burger shops next to weapon shops. Or even just have CIG devs do a rough sketch of a space station/outpost, then let the public designers work on the finer details.

@8:10 As someone who has been around since day one in 2012, I have to push back on giving CIG slack for their self imposed tech-debt and 'having to run the live service'. If this was any other company that would be a totally valid explanation, but CIG spent YEARS telling us about how they were taking the time to do things right the first time 'building the foundation of the castle' as Chris called it in ~2016. They used to use their 'taking the time to do it right' as the excuse for slow progress, so to let them flip that to say their new excuse is that they constantly have to rework everything because they hadn't planned? No. Meanwhile, as to the 'live service slowing them down' that narrative didn't show up until the PU had been live for a year or two. Before that CIG was presenting it as totally part of the plan and not going to delay anything. So once again, CIG is trying to get away with spinning contradictory narratives. I know you said you only joined in 2019 so you'll only have known the new narratives but for the original backers we already put up with 5-6 years of 'other narratives' before CIG decided they wanted to tell a different lie.

They are a business, this is their product. If they cannot, or WILL NOT, produce a product that is worth what has been given them, then that is their fault, not the consumer's. A scam is a scam whether it was intentional or not.

Oh man, any suggestions for someone else looking for an entry level software engineering position @Shadowshade? I went to a bootcs p last year switching careers, and this has been a year long search. Not a good year looking for software roles that's fersure.

I am glad to see this video i am in the same boat as yo guys playing classic for the first time on the rerelease. It is one of the games that makes me wanna talk about how tightly woven the game systems are to one another. Keep making videos this was great!

I understand your feelings, I'm in the game since 2016. It's always around the corner, next patch, next year, etc. It can be very frustrating, specially if you only have a basic game package and without the new fancy ships or mechanics. I decided to quit few years ago, tired of promises and now I' m trying to get back but I feel that not much have changed (in game development). I remember like 2 years ago that SQ42 was around the corner and everybody was super excited and look now, two years have passed and we have nothing.

Dev hell normally involves constant redesign and lack of commitment. Not to mention start citizen hasn't actually been under active development. Squadron 42 is in development hell star citizen just exists as a marketing tool to fund that game

This was a cool video! I also played til maybe level 10 back in the original release of TBC when I was a very young kid but runescape has always been my thing. My buddy got me hyped for classic release in 2019 and all of us and a group of friends played a ton! I only got to 37 because everyone out leveled me and I was on my own, but me and that same friend just picked it back up and I already feel a sense of nostalgia from my short stint in 2019! Its amazing what these pure, original, renditions were like. Absolutely love the whole atmosphere of this game!

I wish ships were affordable I love the game and the atmosphere it's so beautiful but the wipes kill it for me. I've played on and off for a few years but every time I get back in It feels somewhat pointless as why grinds for hours if my progress will be wiped eventually. They do that on purpose so you buy the ships it's the same gimmick war thunder does but at least there the paid content is somewhat affordable.

"Development hell" is usually the phase juust preceding the release-phase, which cloud Imperium is No-where near, 4.0 is just a milestep, one in many steps yet to go through before Star Citizen is ready for the Beta-phase.

as a SE I know the difficulty and that's enough for me to support them, I bought the game at the day they announced server meshing, I didn't play the game as much but I consider that as a small donation to them because I think that someone even have the vision to tackle such a problem is fascinating to me. I know they are heading the right direction, the game may never complete but who cares? it is just a sandbox the entire time, the point is the system behind it, adding new content isn't the actual hard part, having the infrastructure right is the key. It is valid that the game isn't finish for a very long time, but at this scale nothing is guaranteed, anyhow I hope I can play the full, fully immersive universe the next decade, all the best for them.

And just like that... Space engineers dosent feel so hollow and empty anymore... Im off to go write a sincere love letter to keen software house!

If i had a BILLION fkn dollars to spend to make a goddam videogame. Ya better beleive ill have a fukin videogame out in a matter of months vs whatever fkn scam artist bullshit this turned into!!! Absolutley pathetic what theyve maneged to do in 12 years and a billion fkn dollars!!!

There is nothing like vanilla

Try Turtle wow private server eventually!

6:50 Already been done, Replication layer, server handle passing, Static server meshing, none of these are new technology these are all old established technology Why at a network engineer would you claim this ? CIG arent even at Improbable engine level of dynamic server meshing yet, where they had near flawless 2000 live player test but couldnt get it to work The real hurdles are just ahead because thats where everyones else has become stuck

it's not in "development hell". the game is an active scam and they're just doing more announcements than actual work on the engine, announcements to keep people strung along (carrot and stick style) so that they'll keep buying stuff off the real product, their storefront. long ago CIG realized that they were making a ton of money from people just buying stuff from their storefront in an incomplete game, and they no longer want to complete the game because they're worried that the "complete game" will be bad, or boring, or whatever, and people will stop playing. so instead they keep making promises to keep people strung along and interested to where they'll keep buying because "it's not a dead game" when in truth it is - dead from an active development standpoint

welcome to the community!

In classic, frost mage aoe farming is ADDICTING. Especially when you learn to pull large groups of mobs in dungeons as 4 mages and 1 priest. Doing that in sfk, rfk and scarlet monastery were the best memories of WoW for me hands down. So good in fact I wish I could erase my memory of it just to relive it. the "who" list under (social) and typing in any region made it easy to find players.

you gotta turn on auto loot man 😭

The game has been in development for a dozen years now. Quite possibly one of the most mismanaged software projects in human history, with no release date even on the horizon. Soon the original voice actors will start to die off from old age. We are on what, the third generation of graphics engine since the game started development, because the others are obsolete. A week ago there was a non sharded event with 1,000 people, welcome to EVE (tech) 15 years ago. .

Seems like a lot of people are coming into WoW classic these days without ever playing any version before, and I love to see it. I think WoW was better before the expansions -- still have good memories of the expansions, but not the same kind of game anymore. Very satisfying to see that it's not just rose-tinted glasses.

Feel very grateful to have been 12 year old during original TBC I played during season 1 of arena and remember season 2 coming out then WOTLK launch. It was very special and sadly addicting

Another day another post of someone critcizing CIG. In other news...water is wet.

I had casually followed the game since launch but never played it untill a free weekend a few months ago. I was shocked to find how the whole game is just a fully functional credit card machine with non-functioning gameplay.

They are at the "Take it or leave it" phase.

indeed that era made great games! Warcraft 3, GTA vice city and san andreas, operation flashpoint (the first of ARMA series), DOOM 3, and one of my favorites which I recently started playing again (available on steam in a bundle) is Command and Conquer Generals Zero Hour, they dont make em like thy used to so to speak ;)

I don't get the impression that CIG has a QA. Releases appear to be tested by the development team before moving into the PTU. Seems like peer testing maybe but the community are the bug finders and testers. Evocati get first look but once they have the patch core stable, then it is expanded to the PTU. Players in the PTU are not professional testers and only conduct happy path testing. Once this seems stable, the patch is moved to the PU where people try more things and can find exploits that are outside the happy path. This happens with almost every release.

Although I find the gameplay from newer players to be, uh, difficult to watch... ...I really enjoy the vicarious experience. It's not all nostalgia. The game really IS special.