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Thanks for sharing! I just got my precons and I’m about to play my first game of this deck (with no changes!) tomorrow. I’ll definitely look out for these things you said 🤔🤔🤔

🤣 yeah, after you see one turn with Will, he probably isn’t as low key as I originally thought

@@MTGJanktown Exactly haha

They’re both really good but my take is… Ob Nix is more powerful and so if you regularly play in higher power pods, go with Ob Nix. But if you don’t, then you might have more fun with Valgavoth. He doesn’t grow as fast as Ob Nix and draws only 3 cards (as opposed to obscene amounts of impulse draw) which means that the deck doesn’t get out of hand as quickly nor does it need to be positioned to storm off in a big turn 💪

@@MTGJanktown That's where i'm at with it too i think. He's not as good as Ob but he's far from bad either. Power level of playgroups definitely matters here too like you said. I think it'll really come down to whether people wanna play Pestilence Tribal style with Ob or if they want to play more group slugish with things that do more than 1 damage. Either way, they both go into the others deck without question, even if you're running Valgavoth as the commander and Ob Nix can't grow quite as often, he's still stupidly good, and Valgavoth will absolutely get stupid amounts of card draw in the 99 of Ob Nix. This is gonna be a tough one to figure out for me for sure.

@@anthonybalista7421 I have an Ob Nixilis deck that's on the casual side and it goes pretty hard, with a bit of setup like Roiling Vortex and an Underworld Dreams out, one turn cycle and big Nix is a 10/9 + you have 6 cards to play from exile - a pinger and a double damage spell and someone is just out the game. Having said that I like the draw engine on the Duskmourn dude though, the exile can sometimes be punishing if you don't have enough mana to use. I'm debating putting ON in the 99 and using the new guy, less hate.

@@jackhollingworth3793 That was the same discussion i had at my LGS today actually about him. Ob is definitely "better", but early on you're not gonna have the mana to use all those cards you're exiling, whereas Valgavoth is 3 cards per turn cycle in your hand. Plus like you said, less hate directed towards you since people know how quickly ON can get out of hand. I'm definitely gonna consider a list around both of them. I've had a Sheoldred the Apocolypse deck and a Solphim deck forever now...i feel like this guy would combine the 2 and let me play the punishing tax cards that Solphim runs, while also letting me run Sheoldred and things like Underworld Dreams in the 99. This'll take some time to decide though. Hell The Lord of Pain might even be the way to go, but he'll absolutely be in the 99 of either. If he sticks a turn cycle he procs Valgavoth on each persons turn for you. This is gonna be a tough decision lol.

😅 that’s true! Haha pretty cool how that turned out. And I am digging that new Ancient Cellarspawn! 🤩

Thanks! And same, I’ve actually already preordered my deck lol even without seeing the full decklist yet

Fair question! So my honest answer (idk if it’s a cop out) is because it’s fun lol I got excited about the commander and decided to make a video coz I wanted to talk to people about it. But a more practical answer is because usually, a thing that Wizards does with the precons is that they always feature a secondary commander. And so the cards they include in the deck usually support multiple strategies (vs a more streamlined one). I think that’s great, especially when building a collection, but I know people might sometimes want a more streamlined approach so that when they play, their deck consistently “does its thing”. I don’t think the primer becomes irrelevant. Some specific cards might get replaced, ofc, but hopefully the strategy and approach remains pretty relevant so that it helps you evaluate even the new cards that get printed. So yeah, that’s my take lol ✌️

@@MTGJanktown these days preconstructed are more focused. Secondary commanders don't get as much support as before unless they are fairly similar in function. Other than that your reasons are fair enough.

I agree with you! 💪 but I know there are some 3MV mana rocks haters out there so just gotta acknowledge that POV too

These are def good cards haha but I skipped over some of these like Smothering Tithe, Esper Sentinel, etc. because individually they just cost a lot 😅 I generally try to keep my card picks below $10-15+ each but if you have the budget or already have these in your collection, they’ll definitely power up the build! 💪

Oh, and Painful Quandary… generally been disappointing for me in my play experience. I’ve run it in a few of my decks and I want that card to work so bad coz it reads so cool but yeah 😅 maybe it’s worked out for you tho?

Glad I could help! 🙏

It's only card advantage if the deck plays with the graveyard

@@JyAre774 well drawing a spell instead of a land can make it feel like card advantage

Isn’t the old adage, scry 2 (or surveil 2) is like drawing a card? 😜 but yeah, maybe I used the term loosely but I’ve always valued card selection a whole bunch, even in a 100-card format like commander

lol ain’t that the edh life 😅

Haha yeah, penance is the weird one. I thought about hidden retreat but needing an instant or sorcery can get a bit clunky

Glad you liked it! 🙏

Sounds sweet! Kaalia feels like such a forever-playable card because she always gets support every year 😇

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Glad you liked it! 🙏

Ohhhh the Nazgul would be sick! Good call lol and I often forget embercleave exists. Such a cool card. I included it in my latest build too 😅 so thank you for this comment! 🙏

Thanks! Appreciate it 🙏

Like group slug? Haha the opposite of group hug where everybody dies instead of everybody benefits. But thanks! Glad you liked the video 🙏

@@MTGJanktown group slug! I like it haha

Thanks! Glad you liked it 🙏

Got a deck list? Or at least some of the tutor etb demons?

@@salvagedarmor721rune-scared daemon

@Kararch yeah the tutors would smoothen it a lot. In general I avoid tutors (just a personal preference lol), but they’re definitely powerful. Especially if you can cheat them out on big bodies too

@@salvagedarmor721the most popular ones are probably rune scarred, burning rune, and razaketh. Razaketh (if it resolves) is usually a game ender because you just… tutor up all your wincons lol there’s also Varragoth from Kaldheim which lets you essentially demonic tutor when it comes in attacking. Hope that helps! 💪

Yknow come to think of it, I’ve never gone up against a Kaalia Zenith Seeker. I see what you mean tho 🤔

lol I hope that’s a good thing? 😅 I would’ve wanted to put it but the cheapest Gisela is like $26 USD 😂 too much for my pockets

lol I’m a fan of crypt rats but more of in other decks. Are you putting the counters on it so it doesn’t ping itself to death with its own ability?

@@MTGJanktown yes Does that make me a bad person?

@@robertbemis9800 lmao nah, u good 👍 I honestly like playing crypt rats too. I like to play it in mono black tho, like my massacre girl deck 😅

@@MTGJanktown Considering putting a MG in my mothman deck But would have to buy another one

Ooh good call! Lotta value outta one card. I’ve never played it yet but it reads nicely 🤔

And has combo potental with Preist of Gix, want to include angel of dispair to have a wierd combo wincon that destroys everyones entire bored

@deanjones3163 yeah, thief of blood would get massive lol but it’s something you can’t cheat in play because of how the ability is worded. They all come in at the same time so he wont be able to just siphon all the finality counters away. But if it comes down after the reanimation? That guy could probably KO someone. Probably need a haste enabler like greaves or something 🤔

@stefan_wsl3398 true 😂 man, priest of gix is such a combo deck flag. Like if you see that in someone’s deck, they’re trying to combo you out 😅

Thanks! Hope I was able to help 🙏

Thanks! Pretty happy with it. Would’ve been nice to get a fetch but I’m happy with my haul 😊

Ahh it's a great choice! It's a good finisher when our board is wide enough to be in that lightning helix mode 💪

thanks! glad you liked it 🙏and it's my personal bias but I really don't like playing Prosper lol 😅strong card tho and is a staple for any deck that likes to play from exile. I'd include it in a meta where people aren't tired of seeing it. As for Birgi... definitely a card I considered, but I think I ultimately cut it because the extra mana wasn't getting utilized as much as I'd hoped. We're not necessarily running a storm curve and so that's why I think I prioritized more 'reliable' sources of ramp/the burst ritual effects

Thanks! Glad you liked it 🙏