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The Battanian roster is so weird. There is pretty much no preason to not just spam Fian Champions. Even in melee they outperform all the other units.

So, are they unplayable? Idk if there’s been any updates since this vid but I just got the game and want to do a battanian cavalry run. Is it going to be an up-hill struggle or are they just bad compared to other cav but you can still win if you spam them?

Best horse archer, best shock infantry, one of the best heavy shock cavalry, second best foot archer, one of the best armor. They are just too powerfull. İ took out a lot 1000-1500 solid armies with 300-400 khans guards with minor casualties when you do some tactics. With just f1+f3 you still win but with a little bit more casualties.

There's no reason for these Units to be so OP, horse archers should always be inferior heavy cavalry they are so unbalanced with both their ranged and melee weapons

Only con is economy of upkeeping an army of Batanian fians is much higher then most other troops that is only con

The aserai infantry are good with the best commander ability and tactics, like in throwing skills there is a point skill your troops can deal 50% damage to shield with throwing weapons which can make it easier for them to outmatch other infantry after destroying their shields , also their spears can dismount enemy cavalry and knockdown their infantry simply they just need a smart player to use them

At this point I just subconsciously upgrade units I get in a certain way Aserai Recruit - All viable that I can afford to close my eyes and pick a random upgrade, though I tend to avoid Mameluke Cavalry Imperial Recruit - Legionary, Menavliaton, and Palatine Guard depends on what I need. I might add XBows from time to time but I prefer Vlandian or Mercs for that. Battanian Recruit - Almost Always Falxmen Vlandian Recruit - Most I turn to Voulgiers, some to Marksmen, a few to Sergeants Sturgian Recruit - Mostly Heavy Axemen and Linebreakers, I completely avoid the Woodsman branch Khuzait Recruit - I generally avoid them, I only want their nobles. If I do get them in large number, I turn them into archers and dump them in an allied castle.

Number one being your own kingdom, duh.

You understand that with wildlings you need to use engage command not just charge or stay at place, yes? 10 or with skill 12 javs at 120+ each with 150 (captain bonus) throwing skill and bonus shield damage. I doubt a lot more than half enemy infantry will get to a melee. They only problem is heavy shock cav. They don't heave spears and not able to throw enough of javs before cavalry hits. For any missile cavalry wildlings are scourge.

Pikemen can definitely be micro managed at the front line have like 20 or so of them and then the rest of infantry, I’ll try it and see but I know I can make a use for them in campaign

What does unit X stand for on the chart?

Vasans our hard too manage

How?

With an epic name like ‘khan’s guard’, I’d expect them to be the strongest Khuzait unit fieldable. I don’t actually see any issue with them, as they’re an elite top tier unit. If you get to the point where you have 300 of them, you’d expect to be a fricken demolisher. Their con is their difficulty to replace due to the exclusivity and resources required. What I actually believe is overpowered is the auto battle mechanics and how a bunch of lowlife infantry can overrun castles with few losses in a matter of seconds 😂

Does this apply in August 2024?

I never used these because I’m not a fan of blunt weapons. I don’t want prisoners and to be honest, I wish there was an “execute” button so I don’t have to just let them go 🤷‍♂️

Dude, you sound just like gru!!! Cool 😎

I'm experimenting with using them as dragoons. Going for a Sturgian/battanian army. Use them to harass and kill archers and keep enemy cav busy while my archers are earning their paycheck, then when the infantry lines meet I charge then dismount behind them. Suddenly the enemy has in practical terms a force of teir 6 infantry attacking them from the rear while my sturgian infantry is tying them up from the front. The AI shits the bed. Another great use is to have them dismount and hold a strategic position on the battlefront like a bridge before the enemy can put it to any use until the bulk of my infantry gets there. Having strong infantry holding a funnel while fians do their work is disgusting. Sturgians require a little more skill to wield properly, but when you figure them out they can be devastating. Just shun open field engagements if possible. Make the enemy fight you in the woods, rivers, mountains, villages, and other rough terrain.

The role of horse skirmishers in real life is to engage cavalry because horses are rarely armored.

Just edit the xml file so it has less melee skill and it’s balanced

I recommending editing the xml to give pikemen a shield and higher polearm skill and then they are more useful

20 bolts weighs around 2 pounds in real life just saying. Is it really that heavy to add some more?

Hey Hey. they can totally block arrows. Just.. only once or twice, is all

Disgrace to the Rhodes. Disgusting.

Doesn’t need noble horse

I feel quite hungry

Its pain in the ass to recruit these things unless ur playing kuzait. Can't kuzait settlements when at wars. Can only recruit like 30 noble sons before they declare war on u Recruiting them as prisoners is the only viable way. And steppe bandits.. how tf are we supposed to catch em

Historically they had some of the best horses and armor

The keshig are the khans guard if it was lore accurate

Darn Shame this guy doesn’t make videos any more :(

Omg, the Oathswron body armor costs 72k. Wow

Too OP? Hmmm that's why Huns and Golden Horde capture a half world 🤔

Just the opposite khans guards the unit make game balanced as they are shock troops. And khuzait lacks shock troops. İf it werent for them. Khuzait would be worse copy of empire or aserai. İ think fians and crossbows kinda op.

I see the title I see Battanian Fian

Let's see, it is realistic that the mounted archers are OP, there is a reason why the Mongols conquered so much as they were nomads with nothing more than horses, and even more so in times of light infantry on large plains, the elite of these units it is logical that they are the best in the game, excellent unmatchable archers on fast horses with a great spear and charging ability, for me the nerf should be that they should be much more expensive to get, that you need noble horses instead of warhorses to upgrade to that point, or both, with higher maintenance cost, even so it is difficult to maintain realism in a game when reality was not balanced, the horse archers were always OP

"Khan's Guard are overpowered." Genghis Khan who conquered 1/3 of the world: "Am I a joke to you?"

The producers of the game are Turkish. Armağan Yavuz (the producer of the game) says that Khuzait comes from the Turkish-Mongolian tradition. But you insistently claim that he is Mongolian. Do you have a problem with Turks? Why does it bother you that such powerful troops come from the Turks? The majority of Genghis Khan's army consisted of nomadic Turks. If this were not the case, Mongolia's population would not be 3 million today. Millions of Turks live in Central Asia and Anatolia. Please review your thoughts. Even the helmet of the Khan's Guard was inspired by the Kipchak Turks. If you Google Kipchak Helmet, you will see it.

The Turkic-Mongolian tradition created this monster and thus they took over the world. We know that the game draws on historical realities, so it is no coincidence that this union is the best. The helmets of the Khan's Guard were inspired by the Kipchaks and they did this job very well.

kıpçak türkü yarram ne sandın

they just carrying ma battles yo

is this weaponized autism?

I don't see anything wrong with this *hhrrrrmmmmmsss in aproval

These guys shouldn't have a swingable polearm, period. They are horse archers, give them the best horse archers bow back but take the polearm away and give them a one handed sword.

Accurate to history though. Mongols did shred through a lot of nations unless they were walled, in a jungle or had an army specifically formed to counter them. I like fighting them they are a good challenge for experienced players to fight, and a safe option for those new to the series. So I personally don't have a problem with them being really powerful for those reasons.

The same problem with muskets

Idk what changed since this video, but at least according to Strat's melee testing in the latest branch they hold their own against every high tier infantry (except for the Legionary) even when set to hold fire. They're pretty dang good at softening up the enemy and then joining the shield wall, or you can even use them as the main shield wall while using shock infantry.

How on Earth do I make a unit of just skirmishers? I keep getting Oathsworn in the unit because they both have throwing weapons. This is soooooooooo frustrating.

Man your video sucks