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9:47 isn't treason punishible by death? since the autobots were something like an allied country to the US, and Sentinel was a traitor, and was participaiting in hostilities against the US.

killing ruthless robot aliens that have no problems with geocoding an entire planet to get what they wanted is le bad

That’s my goat committing war crimes 🙏

Kinda weird to hear King Kunta in the intro to video about a war criminal, but I dig it.

Optimus Prime❎ Optimus Crime✅

Today I learned that there are people who genuinely think of bayverse optimus as a psychopath What a sheltered existence some people have

🚨DECEPTICON SYMPATHIZER ALERT🚨

"So today guys we're going to be working out if optimus prime violated the geeneva convention." I'm sorry, I can't....

He was working with the US government so I guess it’s fine. They can just sweep it under the rug

this was fun

oh yeah i forgot sentinel killed ironhide. fuck him for that for real…

to be fair if you saw hitler and he begged you not to shoot him you’re telling me you that you wouldn’t just load a mag into him?

When your enemy, doesn't follow the rules, why should you? Humanitarian laws don't apply to decepticons? Imagine what would happen the autobots if they followed human law? They would hecome extinct.

Every wrong point: 4:39: megatron while visually damaged is still strong enough to fight, he can fully run and take down sentinal very quickly, granted it was by surprise, but if he was “injured” he would be struggling more to destroy sentinal. Plus cybertronians in the films can take more of a beating than humans and comparing robot biology to human biology is stupid. Heck he survived getting half his face blown off, his arm broken and being sent through a wall. So he looks way better now. The only reason he’s hiding in africa is because you know, he wants to live, but he’s not weak. “What about him trying to pick up the gun” no because that happened all in a second and he doesn’t have spider senses, Optimus went for a quick and efficient kill here, not violent considering head kills seem to work well on robots in these films. Only reason it’s longer is because the end uses slow motion, it’s actually quite quit, and don’t even try to say he was offering peace, he wasn’t, last time deceptions offered peace, which is this same movie, they massacred Chicago. He had no intention of peace, completely justified. 6:38: They are not shipwrecked, they intentionally came down here looking for they’re leader and the star harvester, they weren’t hiding out of fear, they were hiding so no one would notice the reviving megatron. Demolished is not shipwrecked, his toy description isn’t canon so shouldn’t be considered, he killed multiple innocents and caused mass destruction, after he was wounded he started saying cult like phrases, plus where would nest keep him if they did decide to spare him, his dive is a weapon and he can break out anytime, plus it would be easier to kill him to cover up the alien attack 8:35: but we’re are shown that deception cons don’t ever give up when it comes to fighting, as evidence by the Mexican stand off fight in dotm. How are you supposed to capture an enemy if the refuse to surrender. Sentinal didn’t surrender, he justified his actions, there’s a difference, plus sentinal is a war criminal, he betrays and kills his comrades and kill civilians, these crimes are punishable by death which Optimus does give to sentinal, not a brutal death too, it’s a quick death. Just because he says nooo Optimus doesn’t mean he surrendered, also another point is he’s injured, probably fatally injured, he can’t even walk, so prime is actually ending his suffering in this case. 10:00: he only threatens them so they leave, he has no intention to kill and no one gets killed, sure one guys falls over but civilians do get hurt in war, it’s a fact, plus he didn’t die so 11:47: it’s not like tfp prime is innocent, he threatens to torture soundwave in season three when he was captured. In conclusion, war is hell, people need to understand that more, because there are still lost of war crimes committed today. Optimus is a military leader and he makes tough decisions like any leader. People also need to understand that the bayverse is a darker take on transformers. There’s more violence because it’s more adult. If anyone wants to try to argue please do so. Source for most info: talon production’s video on this topic called “In defense of bayverse prime”

But then again, he did not do those war crimes. Michael Bay is truly responsible for this and he must be stopped, cause he’s set to direct a Transformers GI Joe crossover movie and if we don’t stop him, he will force not only Optimus to commit war crimes, but the Joes as well! Michael Bay must be stopped. No matter the cost.

So, in all due fairness, it's not that Optimus Prime is a war criminal, but that Michael Bay's a-holeness turned a rendition of Optimus Prime into a war criminal. Your honor, we can not condemn all that is the idea of Optimus Prime as a character just because of the reckless actions of a single and very disturbed little man; the real person in a fault here is Michael Bay, who clearly either holds zero regards for the Geneva Convention, or is aware of it and choose to ignore its mandates in order to follow his own childish, selfish, unethical and inmoral sense of what is "cool". Therefore, I call for a motion to dismiss the idea of "Optimus Prime is a war criminal" as if this fact were an essential part of the character's build up, and that instead we all accept the fact that only "Optimus Prime in the Michael Bay's movies is a war criminal" is the only true statement regarding this situation. Your honor, I rest my case. Also, Michael Bay did Starscream super dirty, like seriously, WTF? He deserved way better than a third rate character treatment.

BS Optimus Prime is a true honorable warrior. He's the description of what a gentle giant is.

You can't use transformers prime Optimus if he tried to kill Megatron willingly as well just like bayveres, also he killed Megatron cause he said he wanted to be back in charge of being leader, he killed Sentinel cause he knew Sentinel would come back and do this again for the sake of killing more autobots and humans. He freaking killed the Fallen cause he was gonna wipe all life and us from the earth and destroy the universe and your calling Optimus Prime the war criminal when he only killed ONE human that threatened Cade to killing his last known family?!! Don't blame Optimus Prime for his choices cause he did it for a reason.

Yeah right, you’re going to put Optimus Prime in trials 🤣🤣

Arrest deceptacons who killed thousands and they can easily escape Kill Autobots after saving earth

Optimus shouldn’t be held accountable for the war crimes. He just did what a learned from the US Military

Yeah. A large part of the first actual example given is circumstances. He didn't murder or execute. He defended himself from an armed threat with an inferior weapon while he himself was missing an arm. The decepticons, including MEGATRON, had taken US soil by force, so that also puts Megatron in the shoes of a combatant in this battle. I mean, he was pointing a gun at Optimus when he got killed. No way that breaks Geneva convention.

Regarding the raid on the scientists lab, that’s a valid target. Infrastructure that is critical to wartime production, or a military industrial complex, is a valid target. For example, let’s take FN USA. The FN US branch is responsible not only for the production of FN firearms for the civilian market, but also military production of FN firearms, like the M249 squad automatic weapon family for example. Or, General Motors. They produce cars, but they also produce military equipment. The majority of the personelle who make these military vehicles are civilian. They themselves aren’t a valid target, but the facility is.

Not killing wounded combatants only applies if they aren’t fighting anymore. If a wounded man is still intending on fighting then he’s a valid target until he puts his rifle down.

War criminal Optimus is the best Optimus🤷🏾‍♂️ that’s why they kept him in the new saga

Bay did not do his research at all 💀☕💅🏾

That's why he is literally me

Screw the law !!!! Prime based

If you really look at it most fictional characters are war criminals especially in action movies and video games

Who cares you're boring

Erm excuse me sir, its transformitarian law, humanitarian law doesnt apply to cybertron okay

Blud chose violence against violence

It been a year

I’d give the demolisher hunt a pass tbh, since it’s a permitted action from the beginning Besides, that shit aint no Geneva Convention for those who are in a war, that’s a fricking Geneva checklist, they don’t have spare time or energy to care about which law they just broke

You could argue Prime was entitled to summary execution, given his status as military general of the Autobots.

Tbe Spectre sees Optimus's war crimes and says "Hold my beer". Ask someone from The Balkans what he did. If you can find anyone who was lucky enough to be outside the nation when it became a mass graveyard.

In U.S./U.K. G1 Comics continuity, Optimus *willingly* forfeits his life after WINNING a Virtual-Reality duel with Megatron because (after Megatron had used a CHEAT-Code to re-spawn and remain alive), he *allowed* the ‘deaths’ of innocent NON-EXISTENT bystander NPCs in the game environment; because that means he WOULD have done it in ‘Reality’, if Megatron had really been able to respawn/teleport to cheat Death - That’s a moral standard we can *all* Hope to aim at.

To be perfectly honest I don't think Bayverse Prime gives a flip about what he does or who he kills as long as all loose ends are tied up

Don’t forget the literal court case that banished the Autobots from Earth in the “Megatron’s Master Plan” episode of the 1980s Transformers show. Many times they were tried by human law, and Optimus Prime urged his Autobots counterparts to respect Earth’s laws.

Send him a summon to the court

12:01 The moment in the first episode of the "War for Cybertron" show, where Optimus screams "WE ARE NOT DECEPTICONS" against the suggestion of silencing a neutral demonstrates the true Optimus Prime. That whole show was amazing.

I watched a video about a soldier reacting to John Walker, Captain America (Falcon and the Winter Soldier series) killing the terrorist. He stated that it was a justified kill and the terrorist was not actually surrendering but rather just buying some time or delaying the situation. In the Sentinel Prime scenario, somehow, he didn't surrender. If I can remember the scene, Sentinel was merely justifying why he betrayed the autobots and once a gun was pointed against him, he did not state surrender rather just saying "no" or "don't do that" which is in a way also a form of delay tactics. You can take this statement in a grain of salt, since again, I just saw it on another video and also, I just really wanted Sentinel dead after the betrayal Lastly, even though Megatron was severely injured in the 3rd movie, he was still a threat to human and the autobots. Even in the last scene, he was capable enough to help in taking down Sentinel prime plus aiming an armed weapon to a soldier may be a justification to neutralize a threat to your own life.

The fact we have "war crimes" instead of, you know, making war itself a crime, is all I need to know that humanity is retarded

But that doesn't make any sense why would people do the deal with theirs leader when he actually tried do destroy the earth 2 times and in that movie it was going to be the 3rd💀

12:07 Decepticon minor

There aren’t many boat scenes in this movie, especially ones where Optimus prime is president

In age of extinction Optimus don’t even serve the us army anymore.

when Optimus arrived he searched the World Wide Web so he should of known right?

Geneva convention? more like Geneva suggestion.

To be completely fair to Optimus on the conventions; every time he violates the Geneva Conventions it’s against a war criminal: Megatron and Sentinel Prime are easily guilty of several more and worse war crimes while the company heads of Age of Extinction were guilty of experimenting on the corpses of Autobot which violates both the condition of soldiers convention as well as the war crime laws surrounding desecration. A real world example is the death of Mussolini who, rather than being taken to court where he could’ve potentially weaseled himself either into a plea deal or be cleared of charges, was instead hung from a gas station and beaten to death by Italian rebels. Was this a war crime? Yes, Was this done to a FAR greater war criminal? Also yes.