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I don't know what you're talking about, the light works whether open or closed now. Additionally, I like having the light from the side when it's closed for a lot of reasons. When it's closed there are lights over the door for top light and finally framing under the door means lower clearance. Dumbest idea ever

Let us know how it goes!

I liked the thought of those second set is lights you had mounted.. like, I imagined the ' atmosphere ' of those spot lights would be nice to see and be around at night time with that garage door open.. I definitely appreciate your contribution on here! Cheers doood!~

@@RedCoalsSweatSouls That's _exactly_ what the 2nd set is for. Sometimes I just leave the door open while I'm cleaning out the garage (leaf blowing out the saw dust). It's moody with those lights and some music. I talk to a lot of people who walk past with their dogs or whatever. Beers close at hand

That's like saying "That table was made by a chain saw cutting down the tree" The most important and functional part of a good dovetail is making them ridiculously accurate. At the scale here, even more so than a drawer. The devil is in the tiny details. shaper made it easy.

Umm no. I tomek these every day and tune them regularly. I could shave with those

Sure. On the old device the plate includes a bar near the front edge that I believe is pressure-sensitive. So when you are recalibrating the depth of the bit I think that's the plate that detects when the vice lifts off the table. On the new device you don't see that shape. The entire surface is one flat space. I believe they talked about advancements related to the pressure sensitivity on the bottom technologically

I was tired of hearing people complain about the new machine being so much better than the old one. When really they aren't that far off from each other. I don't do more because I'm lazy and don't want to edit. Thank you

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Thanks for the kind words Paul. I was watching the release of Gen 2 and saw a lot of negative comments suggesting that anyone with a Gen 1 "missed out and was getting screwed". I had the means to get a Gen 2 and it came so fast I thought I would do my own comparison. I'm still using it and find it's generally the same with the exception of better low tape tolerance. The video is really off the cuff and suffers from shaky camera. I could have thought it out better. Glad you liked it. The bench is based off Benchcrafted plans since I'm using their hardware. 90% of it is to spec with maybe the exception of the tool holder in the middle. It sits on a slanted base so I can slide it up to any height as a plane stop rather that just up or down... it can be adjusted between flush and 5/8 inch infinitely. There are the occasional rude comments which I just chalk up as part of the internet as we know it. Most people are just fine in my book

Because they are slightly different. But when your look at the machines they appear very different due to slight angle changes. Are you ok, or did that cause you some kind of pain

Camera too shaky?

I'm not sure the third axis is coming. It's less about the technology as the basic premise of how the machine works resting directly on the workpiece. If you look at 3D projects,there is rarely much original work surface left. Plus this machine only has a bit more than an inch of reach. Origin wasn't designed with those kinds or projects in mind. That's my personal take. You want 3 D carving, you want your router on a gantry.

@@80211Denver Yep. Actually I was being semi-sarcastic. I've watched what even a small CNC does when it's carving. Doing that on the SO would be like carving by hand. Different application.

That's probably exactly right. It may also be that the components are no longer available or better Hardware is available cheaper now and the upgrade is just the next natural path. Take the time to upgrade the screen while they're at it.

As for the bar. It's no longer there that's for sure. I didn't know that that's what that pad did honestly. I do find that zetouch seems a little bit more reliable that may be a result of the cameras as much as the integrated pad in the bottom

@@80211Denver Oh!.. Just saw this. I just mentioned that my z-touch works better now in Jenner but getting rid of that pad has got to help in Gen2.

I agree 100%. Shaky cam is shaky!!

How so?

@@80211Denver ShaperOrigin keep asking for money on their products and are unreasonably over priced

@@iq0099 given the price of regular cnc machines and the easy of use, accuracy here, I'm afraid I have to disagree

@@iq0099 I have to disagree as well here. I just got a Gen 2 a week ago. I was blown away by the accuracy after my first cut. I have been looking to buying a full size CNC that can do 4x8 sheet goods and Its way higher in price range than an origin. For the price they charge its a no brainer if you are looking to save money on CNC machining and its portable. You also save space and your cut area is astronomical.

@@LooneyToonz408 you'll love it. The more you use it, the smaller things you find to use it for that never would have been a consideration before.

Bottom line, you're fine. Gen 2 is new parts, very little change. Slightly larger screen, longer power cord, does better with less tape

Sorry you had to endure it

Sorry you had to endure it! It's definitely better reading tape when coverage is low! And, I suspect the processor is more powerful for features down the road one day. I want a reverse scanning feature.. trace to drawing. Pipe dreams

Gen 1 was no longer available the day they announced it in the US. I can't speak for Europe but they did have people from Germany on the announcement video so I assume you ordered a gen 2 machine Edit, I ordered this machine that day. I'm not special so I think you're getting gen 2

@@80211Denver thx for your answer. Really appreciate it. That calms me down.😅

I assume you mean a vacuum hose which may have been a special promo deal at one time. Having bought both 1 and 2 I didn't catch such a package.

wait your gen one didnt come with a dust hose? did i get lucky? got mine in 2018. did they phase the hose out? @@80211Denver

heh.. yeah it's been a surprise to many! Gen 1 is a great machine. you're fine

Ouch

Currently both are getting the same updates. Perhaps the internals in gen 2 could allow for 3D printing down the road? I've forced the cut to fail by pushing to machine to far/fast and it retracts quickly but, not noticeably faster than gen 1. So Z axis movement doesn't seem to have a big improvement here. Processing power might be higher in Gen 2 with new tech. Perhaps better on tool drawing but... I dunno how attractive that is. Range of motion appears to be identical. I can't see a clear way gen 1 will get left behind as of yet.

I worry the $200 autopass feature was a warning shot that things are about to significantly change. Hope not.

​@@mattchew5965is the auto pass included into the Gen 2?

no it is not.@@Therealphantomzero

@@punksurfer76 what a shame

The bit is the same, the spindle is the same. wood is wood. I have been using v1 for absolutely seamless inlays for years. after using v2 a handful of times, there's no distinguishable difference. If you're the type who's going to tell me that monster cables produce a better sound on the same pair of speakers... you be you. But I know what I see and feel. The -only- noticeable difference in the end is the screen size. I suspect that the electronics they can buy are better/cheaper/old stuff no longer available. That doesn't mean the machine is any better. Perhaps something is hidden in there that will produce 3-d cuts. Jenner depth encoding suggests it's possible. But until they tell us so... You're opinion can just be that and nothing more.

I have found it does do better with less tape than Gen 1. I had the screen freeze on me once which was very odd. And once when I re-scanned a workspace it completely lost the old one (added tape that had been cut away. So.. might be a few bugs to work out in the software.

It's such a great machine. The more I use it the more uses I find. Things I would never have used a cnc for are just plain easy on this once you get the hang of it. It'll be years before gen 3. Get the most for your money now!

@@80211Denver Yeah, it will happen. I’ve tinkered around with cnc machines for years, built several, bought several but was always constrained in size both in the size of my shop, the cnc, and how big I could make things. With the Shaper there really are no boundaries.

@@drez2001 It's true. I also have a Yeti CNC that does full 4x8 and breaks down, ducks away. It has it's moments but 99% of the time, shaper is there for the job. Station was a big improvement but plate is a total game changer. It's SO flexible to just drop that down anywhere and go

Definately possible. I need to do a follow up now having used Gen 2. Screen froze on me once during cut. Not long enough to drift but... Never had that on gen 1

hehe.. Yeah it's been a while since I looked at those and I seem to recall they were wide open on one side? Like a backsplash. I have used this tent both inside the garage and out and it takes less than15 minutes to stand up and take down. Still very happy with it

Shaper gave me a perfect fit. I could have done 95% with the shaper alone but I chose to hog out most of the waste to save time. Hand tools were necessary only to sharpen inside corners. If you look at the shape at a point like 1:48 -it's dead on. You just can't get there with traditional tools unless you have a LOT of practice. Now that the workbench is done, I can work on that. But I love this machine

You are shaming the blade?

@@80211Denver I don't believe in shaming anybody. However I am shimming the blade.

Never too late. I re-true the table from time to time.... mostly as a way of procrastinating. I have a needle gauge (not sure that's the right term) that can reach down and check the arbor. I think it's ok. At least two things I might do to verify it's the plate: 1. Lay it flat on the table saw surface and go around it with feeler gauges looking for gaps. Flip, repeat. 2. (this is what I did). Measure for error, mark where the error is, then without rotating the arbor, rotate the disc on the arbor 90 degrees, tighten and see if the error is consistent with the rotation. -It was. It it was the arbor, I would expect the error at the same point on the arbor, no matter what degree the disc was sitting on the arbor.

Yeah I can appreciate that. I learned the hard way how difficult creating youtube videos is. I guess I take it for granted that everyone knows these tools

@@80211Denver No worries. I’m a Shaper owner and am always looking for new techniques and currently working on a few dovetail projects. I can appreciate how much effort goes into creating quality content which is why I don’t do it. 😎 Nice work and nice video.

It's about keeping dog hair and other stuff out. Also negative pressure to the intake filter reduces paint getting out

What language is this I want to translate

Wait till you see them in mating season

haha.. I picked those up at home depot maybe 4 years ago. Couldn't say they are still there. 8 feet long

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point 2: how do you know the wobble isn't coming from the washer between the blade and washer? No, no, no; toooooo many unexplored variables

There are two more rods that the large center rod sits in. This gauge is purpose built for measuring run out on the blade or the fence. See this part of their video for details: th-cam.com/video/VrpcozRsPWw/w-d-xo.html It's accurate to 1/1000 ". I also can adjust the fence to be square but for this particular saw (sawstop) you need to rotate the table to make the miter slots parallel to the blade, then the fence to the slots. All three need to be in alignment. I disagree about centrifugal forces automatically correcting the blade. When cutting certain species of wood such as hard maple, 5/1000 run out on the blade will burn the wood and bind the workpiece to the fence, increasing kickback likelihood. additionally wobble increases the kerf of the cut, giving you inconsistent results. When making 'fine' furniture, 1/64 gaps are huge errors with glue ups, make the piece look sloppy. If you're doing general carpentry (home building), 1/8 is not a huge deal. It's about what you are doing.

@@thomasgronek6469 I know because I corrected the error by adjusting the table. This is not a guide on how to correct the table, it's a review of the blade and how to overcome it's short comings. But if you watch that video you'll notice the gauge also measures the arbor, washer if you like

@@80211Denver Thanks for the response, I think that if we put our heads together we can figure some stuff out. Just because the gauge wobbles, doesn't mean the blade wobbles, and If the blade does wobble, it would cut a wider gap than the width of the teeth,,,, resulting in no burning. So let's skip the plate (that's really to be used to check the perpendicularity at the shaft. Maybe the saw blade is bad. five thousandths of an inch discrepancy would be easily cut away by the set of the teeth.

@@80211Denver for home carpentry I stay within a sixthfourth. for Clocks I'm within a thousandth or two

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