I love how Herb started packing up before they said “no”. If you believe in your system and they don’t see your vision it doesn’t mean you’re wrong but when they don’t even listen to what you’re saying, then don’t waste your time selling.
My gosh I don’t know how poor herb lit up with all that BS from a bunch of negative losers! If these schlubs had as many solutions as they did excuses,’they might actually have won and herb wouldn’t have to be there! Thankfully he was!
In real life, Lou Nanne (smug guy listing off the recent Soviet success-yet failing to mention their Gold medal in 1956) was actually the individual who recommended Herb Brooks for,the job. He’s a fixture on sports talk radio and tv in the Twin Cities these days. One of the tribal elders of hockey in Minnesota.
I attended many of those Gopher hockey games in the late 70's while living in Mpls. Proud to be a Minnesotan during those years. Herb's teams were always prepared and competitive. Best college coach ever. And dare I say, best U.S. Olympic coach ever.
He lost with arguably the best US Team at that point in the 2002 Olympics to Canada. Where was his coaching then? USSR was overrated. They hit housed teams giving them a huge advantage. Hit house Team Canada and the USSR might have won 1 Gold Medal between 1960-1980, maybe. As it was, they still lost 2 out of 6 to US amateurs and lost the 1972 Super Series to Canada. What's so phenomenal about that?
@@KMK7355 he coached the U.S. ONLY in 1980 and 2002. beat Russia both times. won a Gold medal and a silver medal. AND THAT'S BAD? hahahahahahahahahah Brooks was hired as head coach of Minnesota in 1972. He would lead them to three NCAA championship titles in 1974, 1976, and 1979. 3 championships in less than 10 years YOU'RE FUCKING WHACKED. show me another coach who's done this........
@@KMK7355 ASSHOLE.... Brooks only coached 2 Olympic teams. in 1980 and 2002. HR DIDN'T COACH ANY OTHERS!! ONLY THOSE TWO!! AND HE WON GOLD AND SILVER!! DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH MORON
He had basically a .500 record in the NHL. He caught lightning in a bottle once, it happens in sports. As far as his NCAA resume, yeah he was an excellent NCAA Coach but he had the most fertile ground to recruit right in his backyard. The best Minnesota HS kids were going there no matter what.
Man: _"That a pretty lofty goal, Herb."_ Herb: *"That's why I want to pursue it."* And that's the dividing line between those who might become great and those who never will. You have to be willing to aim at the highest point possible to even try to reach it. If you can't even aim at it, don't even think about trying to reach it!
Brooks was actually took a Team USA in April 1979 to the Worlds in Moscow. About half the team were players from the NCAA including Joe Mullen who would go pro over the summer. That team tied the Czechs 2-2 with Craig in net. Brooks took 9 UMinn players, 4 from BU and 2 each from Wisconsin and BG. They had quite a bit of familiarity. That helped them.
I often wondered why no one adopted the Flyers strategy from 1976. In that game they didn't only hit hard and intimidate the Soviets, they adopted a strategy of not chasing them around. They set up a picket fence at the blue line and didn't allow them to penetrate the zone. This looked like a sound strategy as it confused the Soviets and the Flyers ended up blowing them off the ice.
Flyers were goons. They were the only team to beat the soviets largely I’m part to van Impe elbowing the soviets best player. The Canadians tied the soviets and swept the flyers in the finals that year.
In 1980 I was stationed at Ft. Campbell, KY living off base in a dilapidated trailer. My wife had left me, and I was counting the days to ETS. I got all of 2 channels on my crappy TV and most everything on was garbage. I wasn't much of a hockey fan but happened to tune into The Americans first game. Watched every minute of every game right through the Gold Medal. That team pulled out of a suicidal depression. As far as I'm concerned that movie is the best movie ever made.
What I take from this, Herb Brooks is basically telling them there is no I in team, as cliche as it is, that is what he is doing without actually saying it. Note when he says All Star Teams fail, because they rely soley on the individual's talent, note he uses the I word individual. He then states the Soviets win, because they take that talent and use it in their system designed for the betterment of the team, there's the t word Team. He basically sets the tone right off the bat, telling these guys he's not looking for talented individuals to play for his team.
I hope the movie was accurate in the sense that these “hockey minds” blew Herb off in the meeting. So once he had the team doing their thing he blew them off when they all seemed to get on the bandwagon and wanting to spend time with the team pre-game. Herb did this his way and proved what he said in the meeting. Not much is said in the hockey world of how impactful he was to hockey in the US and how the kids play the game now.
The comments here illustrate exactly why historical fiction is fun, but so dangerous. So many are ready to take the feel-good film as historical analysis and walk around spouting lines from the film while puffing their chests out feeling like history scholars. Like most people, I love this film, and as a child of the late 70s and 80s, I have a particular fondness for the story of the 1980 team. But this film is 90% hollywood, 10% reality. Yes, the fundamental names, places, and situations are real. But all of the fluff is fake. Beginning with this scene. Brooks literally did the opposite of this scene. The film wants Herb to be seen as talented and tough, yet kind of an asshole and so determined to win that he alienates EVERYONE from his professional peers, to his own wife. Some of that is true, but not in this way. In real life, he took his time and did a thorough selection process. He didn't block everyone out. In fact, he invited coaches from all over to help him evaluate the players and make decisions. He was also afraid of being accused of regional bias when it came to selecting the national team. The film is littered with other manufactured twists. For example, the "rivalry" between Jack O'Callahan ("OC") and Rob McClanahan (Mac). In the film, this is due to a supposed brawl that McClanahan started with a "cheap shot" on OC. Uh, no. Because Mac was in HIGH SCHOOL when that game took place. OC was in that game, and there was a brawl, but he was not ejected. It is also true that his team did lose. So again, there are kernels of truth, but just about every vignette in the film is changed similar to these scenes, and in some cases, patently false. This doesn't mean it's not a great film, or that it's "Inaccurate". Inaccurate implies that it's trying to tell historical truth. This is a Disney film that was made with the central purpose of spreading American exceptionalism. My only issue is the response to films like this, or "the Patriot" or "Pearl Harbor" that are so filled with schmaltzy nonsense that is accepted and spread by many as "history" when it is anything but.
Still one of my favorite hockey movies and favorite scene of the movie. I've always been a fan of the European style of hockey....speed and creativity which is what the NHL is today but at the same time there still has to be body contact which seems to slowly dying in hockey. You never see a big hit anymore and when u do u got the team receiving the big CLEAN hit throwing a tantrum and go after the guy that made the hit lol. A good hockey game is both teams making nice plays, scoring goals and making big hits.
Fetisov when he came to the Devils explained what happened. He saw them as dangerous even though they beat them soundly in the exhibition said these guys are dangerous. The Soviets didn't really believe him and Kasatanov " allegedly " said we can beat these guys drunk. So they partied the night before and Fetisov said we got what we deserved. That's why " supposedly " Fetisov and Kasatanov despised each other when they played for the Devils.
The key to an upset boils down to three things. One, the underdog must have some advantage, even an obscure one. The Americans were younger and more eager to win (even if they thought it was a pipe dream). Two, the underdog must have a coach who can exploit that advantage. Brooks trained them hard, until the young players were better conditioned than the Russians, and made them believe their pipe dream was no pipe dream. Three, the favoured contender must make a mistake. The Russians partied the night before (surprising Tikhonov would even consider allowing that), Tikhonov pulled Tretiak after the first period, didn't deploy younger players by the third period, didn't pull Myshkin for an extra attacker. And despite all those mistakes, they lost by just one goal (meaning, had they corrected just one mistake, the Russians would have won).
@@broadstreet21 Pulling the goaltender for Russia destroyed whatever psychological advantage they had. You have to remember this Russia team of all stars embarrassed the USA all stars in an exhibition. Yes it was an exhibition but man they got embarrassed. Fetisov explained what happened. I doubt he partied the night before but can you imagine the frustration Fetisov had to endure during that game. 4 years later Russia won another gold medal so beating Russia was definitely a miracle.
@@euclideszoto997 Tretiak was a negative psychological force on opponents, but Myshkin, even if he lacked Tretiak's psychological force, was still a top goaltender, who I believe beat out NHL all stars. Furthermore, Russia had firepower. Even with an average goaltender, they normally should have won on offense - that should have left them some psychological advantage. That is had the young Americans not been conditioned. And had Tikhonov countered by playing his younger troops, instead of relying on the older ones.
@@broadstreet21 I always got the feeling the coach for Russia panicked. Did he know that these guys partied the night before because like you said he wasn't known for that. If you ever see the interview of Fetisov when he came to the Devils and his story of what happened you can still see a bit of disgust in him. You can definitely tell it is a sour memory.
i love this movie but this scene is crap. Both Herb Brooks and Lou Nanny both went to the University of Minnesota I can guarantee they knew each other well and also Loud didn't treat Herb like crap in a meeting like this. I also can tell you Herb Books woundn't take crap like this from anyone.
One of the best movies of all time. Full stop.
I love how Herb started packing up before they said “no”. If you believe in your system and they don’t see your vision it doesn’t mean you’re wrong but when they don’t even listen to what you’re saying, then don’t waste your time selling.
This movie made me understand the "Miracle" was ANYTHING BUT. Who do you play for? Kurt Russel is ignored by Hollywood elite because of politics.
I never thought Kurt could pull off Herb. I told my wife. How wrong could I be. And I'm a Kurt Russell fan. Kurt is Herb Brooks.
Grew up just a neighborhood over from Jim Craig’s brother in Newtown grant, PA. Talked to the guy a few times when I was a kid.
Second best sports film of all time behind the Natural, bar none. No discussion.
My gosh I don’t know how poor herb lit up with all that BS from a bunch of negative losers! If these schlubs had as many solutions as they did excuses,’they might actually have won and herb wouldn’t have to be there! Thankfully he was!
In real life, Lou Nanne (smug guy listing off the recent Soviet success-yet failing to mention their Gold medal in 1956) was actually the individual who recommended Herb Brooks for,the job. He’s a fixture on sports talk radio and tv in the Twin Cities these days. One of the tribal elders of hockey in Minnesota.
Nanna was a Canadian, you know that?
I attended many of those Gopher hockey games in the late 70's while living in Mpls. Proud to be a Minnesotan during those years. Herb's teams were always prepared and competitive. Best college coach ever. And dare I say, best U.S. Olympic coach ever.
He lost with arguably the best US Team at that point in the 2002 Olympics to Canada. Where was his coaching then? USSR was overrated. They hit housed teams giving them a huge advantage. Hit house Team Canada and the USSR might have won 1 Gold Medal between 1960-1980, maybe. As it was, they still lost 2 out of 6 to US amateurs and lost the 1972 Super Series to Canada. What's so phenomenal about that?
@@KMK7355 they beat Russia and lost to Canada in the finals in 2002. and that's bad? you're fucking looney.......... move to Russia you loser
@@KMK7355 he coached the U.S. ONLY in 1980 and 2002. beat Russia both times. won a Gold medal and a silver medal. AND THAT'S BAD? hahahahahahahahahah Brooks was hired as head coach of Minnesota in 1972. He would lead them to three NCAA championship titles in 1974, 1976, and 1979. 3 championships in less than 10 years YOU'RE FUCKING WHACKED. show me another coach who's done this........
@@KMK7355 ASSHOLE.... Brooks only coached 2 Olympic teams. in 1980 and 2002. HR DIDN'T COACH ANY OTHERS!! ONLY THOSE TWO!! AND HE WON GOLD AND SILVER!! DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH MORON
He had basically a .500 record in the NHL. He caught lightning in a bottle once, it happens in sports. As far as his NCAA resume, yeah he was an excellent NCAA Coach but he had the most fertile ground to recruit right in his backyard. The best Minnesota HS kids were going there no matter what.
"That's why I want to pursue it." I worked in upper mgt for many years. A person who says that is hired on the spot.
Man: _"That a pretty lofty goal, Herb."_ Herb: *"That's why I want to pursue it."* And that's the dividing line between those who might become great and those who never will. You have to be willing to aim at the highest point possible to even try to reach it. If you can't even aim at it, don't even think about trying to reach it!
“You don’t defend them…You ATTACK them!” Different scene I know but damn the chills still show up on that line delivery.
Winners don't win because they try they win because That's all they think about winning
The energy in this room is a lesson for me, when you share a lofty goal to people they often dismiss you like this, make sure you don't stop
They didn't entirely dismiss his lofty goal. They hired him.
Brooks was actually took a Team USA in April 1979 to the Worlds in Moscow. About half the team were players from the NCAA including Joe Mullen who would go pro over the summer. That team tied the Czechs 2-2 with Craig in net. Brooks took 9 UMinn players, 4 from BU and 2 each from Wisconsin and BG. They had quite a bit of familiarity. That helped them.
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He got it right!
USA…USA…USA…🇺🇸
This scene is as engaging as any of the "on ice" scenes.
0:31 FUUUUUUCKKKK lol
I often wondered why no one adopted the Flyers strategy from 1976. In that game they didn't only hit hard and intimidate the Soviets, they adopted a strategy of not chasing them around. They set up a picket fence at the blue line and didn't allow them to penetrate the zone. This looked like a sound strategy as it confused the Soviets and the Flyers ended up blowing them off the ice.
Could be the Flyers were much bigger grown men instead of college kids. But we'll never know
Flyers were goons. They were the only team to beat the soviets largely I’m part to van Impe elbowing the soviets best player. The Canadians tied the soviets and swept the flyers in the finals that year.
@@alwillk the Flyers beat the Soviets because they wouldn't let them into their zone. And by intimidation. They won because they were better.
In 1980 I was stationed at Ft. Campbell, KY living off base in a dilapidated trailer. My wife had left me, and I was counting the days to ETS. I got all of 2 channels on my crappy TV and most everything on was garbage. I wasn't much of a hockey fan but happened to tune into The Americans first game. Watched every minute of every game right through the Gold Medal. That team pulled out of a suicidal depression. As far as I'm concerned that movie is the best movie ever made.
Whatever the reason you had for it, glad you aren't part of the 22 a day, brother.
Good thing for you then USA won. Hopefully, you didn’t watch in ‘84 and ‘88 when the soviets won again.
Awesome story. Thanks for sharing. Peace and blessings.
Makes you believe
For whatever it is worth, the world is better for you being here.
Grasshopper.😊
One of the greatest stories ever retold in one of the greatest movies ever. Herb brooks dialogue is absolutely iconic, beginning to end
"All Star teams fail because they rely solely on the individuals talent" - Oh how right he was and is...
That team was literally an NCAA All Star Team from 1978-79.
Not exactly. Like the film shows there were more talented players he could’ve put on the roster.
0:34 Do You Believe in Miracles? YES!🇺🇸
What I take from this, Herb Brooks is basically telling them there is no I in team, as cliche as it is, that is what he is doing without actually saying it. Note when he says All Star Teams fail, because they rely soley on the individual's talent, note he uses the I word individual. He then states the Soviets win, because they take that talent and use it in their system designed for the betterment of the team, there's the t word Team. He basically sets the tone right off the bat, telling these guys he's not looking for talented individuals to play for his team.
Best sports movie ever
All the haters were in that room… little did they know what the future held
Herb Brooks never saw this movie… He lived it….
I hope the movie was accurate in the sense that these “hockey minds” blew Herb off in the meeting. So once he had the team doing their thing he blew them off when they all seemed to get on the bandwagon and wanting to spend time with the team pre-game. Herb did this his way and proved what he said in the meeting. Not much is said in the hockey world of how impactful he was to hockey in the US and how the kids play the game now.
One of the greatest coaches of all time, in any sport.
His record was 219W- 222L. Scotty Bowman is on line 1. Shall I patch him through?
Yes
One of the best midwestern accents I have heard in a movie, reminds me of home.
What's cool about this scene is that all of those facts were accurate.
Not only a great sports movie, but a great movie.
The comments here illustrate exactly why historical fiction is fun, but so dangerous. So many are ready to take the feel-good film as historical analysis and walk around spouting lines from the film while puffing their chests out feeling like history scholars. Like most people, I love this film, and as a child of the late 70s and 80s, I have a particular fondness for the story of the 1980 team. But this film is 90% hollywood, 10% reality. Yes, the fundamental names, places, and situations are real. But all of the fluff is fake. Beginning with this scene. Brooks literally did the opposite of this scene. The film wants Herb to be seen as talented and tough, yet kind of an asshole and so determined to win that he alienates EVERYONE from his professional peers, to his own wife. Some of that is true, but not in this way. In real life, he took his time and did a thorough selection process. He didn't block everyone out. In fact, he invited coaches from all over to help him evaluate the players and make decisions. He was also afraid of being accused of regional bias when it came to selecting the national team. The film is littered with other manufactured twists. For example, the "rivalry" between Jack O'Callahan ("OC") and Rob McClanahan (Mac). In the film, this is due to a supposed brawl that McClanahan started with a "cheap shot" on OC. Uh, no. Because Mac was in HIGH SCHOOL when that game took place. OC was in that game, and there was a brawl, but he was not ejected. It is also true that his team did lose. So again, there are kernels of truth, but just about every vignette in the film is changed similar to these scenes, and in some cases, patently false. This doesn't mean it's not a great film, or that it's "Inaccurate". Inaccurate implies that it's trying to tell historical truth. This is a Disney film that was made with the central purpose of spreading American exceptionalism. My only issue is the response to films like this, or "the Patriot" or "Pearl Harbor" that are so filled with schmaltzy nonsense that is accepted and spread by many as "history" when it is anything but.
Still one of my favorite hockey movies and favorite scene of the movie. I've always been a fan of the European style of hockey....speed and creativity which is what the NHL is today but at the same time there still has to be body contact which seems to slowly dying in hockey. You never see a big hit anymore and when u do u got the team receiving the big CLEAN hit throwing a tantrum and go after the guy that made the hit lol. A good hockey game is both teams making nice plays, scoring goals and making big hits.
LONGER? R U GONNA PAY FO DAT???
Fetisov when he came to the Devils explained what happened. He saw them as dangerous even though they beat them soundly in the exhibition said these guys are dangerous. The Soviets didn't really believe him and Kasatanov " allegedly " said we can beat these guys drunk. So they partied the night before and Fetisov said we got what we deserved. That's why " supposedly " Fetisov and Kasatanov despised each other when they played for the Devils.
And they played with a few of their former American opponents.
The key to an upset boils down to three things. One, the underdog must have some advantage, even an obscure one. The Americans were younger and more eager to win (even if they thought it was a pipe dream). Two, the underdog must have a coach who can exploit that advantage. Brooks trained them hard, until the young players were better conditioned than the Russians, and made them believe their pipe dream was no pipe dream. Three, the favoured contender must make a mistake. The Russians partied the night before (surprising Tikhonov would even consider allowing that), Tikhonov pulled Tretiak after the first period, didn't deploy younger players by the third period, didn't pull Myshkin for an extra attacker. And despite all those mistakes, they lost by just one goal (meaning, had they corrected just one mistake, the Russians would have won).
@@broadstreet21 Pulling the goaltender for Russia destroyed whatever psychological advantage they had. You have to remember this Russia team of all stars embarrassed the USA all stars in an exhibition. Yes it was an exhibition but man they got embarrassed. Fetisov explained what happened. I doubt he partied the night before but can you imagine the frustration Fetisov had to endure during that game. 4 years later Russia won another gold medal so beating Russia was definitely a miracle.
@@euclideszoto997 Tretiak was a negative psychological force on opponents, but Myshkin, even if he lacked Tretiak's psychological force, was still a top goaltender, who I believe beat out NHL all stars. Furthermore, Russia had firepower. Even with an average goaltender, they normally should have won on offense - that should have left them some psychological advantage. That is had the young Americans not been conditioned. And had Tikhonov countered by playing his younger troops, instead of relying on the older ones.
@@broadstreet21 I always got the feeling the coach for Russia panicked. Did he know that these guys partied the night before because like you said he wasn't known for that. If you ever see the interview of Fetisov when he came to the Devils and his story of what happened you can still see a bit of disgust in him. You can definitely tell it is a sour memory.
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Hey he didn't even have to leave Colorado Springs.
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Pretty lofty goal, Herb...so many today settle for far less than they are capable of doing.
Imagine if the committee didn't give the job to Herb and instead hired some stiff. haha
i love this movie but this scene is crap. Both Herb Brooks and Lou Nanny both went to the University of Minnesota I can guarantee they knew each other well and also Loud didn't treat Herb like crap in a meeting like this. I also can tell you Herb Books woundn't take crap like this from anyone.
Kurt Russell has been awesome his whole career..Miracle was just the movie the doubters noticed...
Russell was a Hockey Dad. His kid was an NCAA D1 goalie.
Herb had a goal and vision and had studied the Soviets, he was the right man for the job
Great film.