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What size ball valve did you use?

gracias a mamá por cocinar y a yoke por los gritos! 😢

How much $ ??

I live in northern Michigan been trying to find one for a year. Any help would be great thanks again Kirk.

Hello Just wanted to know where you purchased your smoker and how much it, was that would be really helpful. Thank you so much, Kirk.

Did you need the installation kit for the tel tru thermometer?

Great video thanks for sharing! I've been looking at purchasing this smoker. Couple of big changes stand out to me looking your smoker vs other G2 smokers in other older video's. First as you pointed out the rails are full length and top rack is bigger. Other big change I see is the collector being wider, almost full length of the cooking compared to smaller collector width in other G2 video's. Couple of nice improvements in a short amount of time from Old Country IMO. If the thing was just a tad bigger as the cooking space (minus the top rack) is tad less than my Okie Joe and the Brazos. I suppose I could cook some ribs up top but that tends to always be way hotter.

Nice video and appreciate your thoughts on the smoker. In one of the pics, it almost looked like you lined the bottom of the cooking chamber in foil. Did I see that correctly? Curious if the wagon wheels wobble on you? I’ve seen these at bucees and the wheels wobbled like crazy. Made me wonder how long they would last.

Which ball valve is it ? Clicking the link gives ( different ones and none of them have the same numbers yours has

Great video. Thanks for the mods recommendations. I just bought mine and this video helps a lot.

Rip to Christian the Pilot, and student

The Sting was never my favorite LSA to pilot. Also, you're sitting on top of the fuel tank.

I agree, I don’t think it was due to WT. If it’s a discovery flight - I agree the student probably was nervous and had a death grip on the controls and probably froze. No matter what the instructor said - the student panicked , tuned out and checked out.

This was another case of discovery lockup. Stop letting discovery passengers touch the dam controls, just to get them to buy school time. It is not worth your life.

My first take on this is an unfortunate intentional crash on the part of the the person taking a discovery flight. Just my semi educated take on this. I could be wrong. But thats what my gut tells me. Sad.

Thanks to Sky Hawk for preparing this video. I offer my condolences to all of those affected. I will not speculate on the various causes mentioned in this or other threads. But only offer facts, my comments and add technical aspects of the PiperSport/Sport Cruiser. My flying experience is that I hold a student pilot certificate with an endorsement for solo flight in the PiperSport airplane. Most of my flying is on the East Coast and I had one flight with a CFI at SMF. My comments: . flight track, with altitude and speed data, and ATC communication, as reported, up to the point of the first "Let go!" are normal and within standard PiperSport flight parameters . the PTT is at the top and back of the stick, and triggered, primarily by the, index or middle finger . the aircraft location at the first "Let go!" appears to be west of Bundy Ave at maybe 700' - 800' from the runway bar . the crash was about 500' after the runway bar and well south of the runway center line . the last two speed data points were 60 and of 52 knots . which translates to 12 to 15 seconds to travel 1,300' . even if the total distance was longer, time does not significantly increase . the time to react is even less because at the top of the stall, and the airplane losing lift, recovery may be impossible at that point Two comments about the PiperSport: . the flaps are electrically controlled and cannot be "dumped" . you can certainly retract them from a fully extended position, but it would take a few seconds . the rudder pedals at each seat cannot reached from the other seat . see on-line photos of the Piper Sport interior In any situation the pilot must aviate, navigate, communicate. In this situation the first reaction is to regain control of the aircraft. The lack of altitude, and time, were significant factors to the available options. To those familiar with ballistic parachutes, this aircraft was equipped with one, my only questions are: . could deployment of the parachute, at any time up to the point of stall, been effective for recovery? . if, as reported, the airplane pitched up to 100' would the parachute, deployed at that height, have opened sufficiently to somewhat mitigate the crash? There is training in all aspects of flight and airplane operation from beginning at pre-flight and concluding at engine shutdown. However, I do not believe there is a published training regime if any person puts the aircraft in a dangerous attitude and refuses to comply with "let go" or "my flight controls".

The NTSB report might be out in 2 or 3 years.

11:00 While everyone is talking about the "Let Go", we also have to mention the voices the student was making during this incident... You can hear the student making noises on the background, something like "panicking" or "fighting something"... That's why it's called "discovery flight, or First flight", the students themselves doesn't know their reaction or behaviors until the experience a real flight. This airplane have a "Control Stick between the legs like the helicopter", if the student locked on the "control stick" then it will not be easy to overcome. Unfortunately, now we know what's the reaction of this student... This CFI was working to overcome both the student's panic strength and the airplane itself... Too much to work on in this low altitude and landing configuration. Rest in peace, both of them... Pilot.

Imagine if he back-fisted the student to make him let go. The instructor would have been in jail afterward. Seems like death or jail

I’ve had 3 taildraggers with the Rotax 912 ULS 100 HP. Two Aerotrek A220’s and a Just AC SuperStol. I don’t think of the left-turning tendencies as being unusually strong, but I’ll make note of it tomorrow.

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10:58 Here is the audio of someone screaming "Let go ! Let go !"

I think the audio is off by 10 seconds compared to the animation. There's an "Oh!" at 11:10 probably when the aircraft hit, and the controller is calling ground vehicles to respond at 11:17 but the animation is still moving forward at 40-50 knots for another 3 seconds after that. I think it makes a difference because as you have it, the sudden pull up and "let go!" seems to happen on very short final (before the threshold anyway) while more likely it happened just before or at touchdown (student panicked when he saw the ground coming up "too" fast maybe).

Sorry to see this happen...........thanks for vid.....always helps to learn. I think back to all of the dumb things I did when I was a student, and have nothing but respect for CFI's. ....RIP

Very sad, RIP. I learned to fly in a Gobosh, similar airplane. Yes you are always working right rudder. My main trainer, N1277K, was subsequently destroyed in a porpoising landing. Understandable, I went around three times on my solo because the airplane handles very differently on landing with one person instead of two. I had grown comfortable with fast landings, but without that extra 200 lbs you must stick to the numbers precisely. IIRC my other trainer 338MF was also lost. The FAA really blew it with LSA, they should have allowed heavier, higher wing loaded aircraft. OTOH something is always out there waiting to bite you, no matter what you fly.

My condolences to the friends and family of the two involved. I was there with my 10-year-old son and witnessed the accident. I took my son to go watch airplanes and do homework. Santa Monica Airport has 2 viewing decks. Many come here to watch and they play the air traffic control on speakers so you can listen in. I was sitting on the lower level viewing deck. I noticed that there were 3 cameras behind me and they were pointing to the landing strip. It is true that they captured the accident on the airport cameras. I appreciate Sky Hawk for taking the time to put this together. I was shaken by the experience and couldn’t understand what went wrong. Although this is still a mystery, this video explanation and comments were able to answer some of my questions. The aircraft came down for a landing and it looked normal (I am comparing to all the other landings we saw before). I can’t for certain state if wheels actually touched the ground. My son and I remember them touching the ground, yet another report states that it was about to touch the ground. Either way, that is how close the plane was to landing. It then went into a vertical climb about 100+ feet really quick, it looked like some stunt, then turned to the left. I panicked for a split second because it looked like it was going to come straight to the building next to the viewing deck. Instead it went into a nose dive and instantly exploded/burst into flames when it hit the ground. I didn’t think anyone could survive that. 2 non-emergency responders ran to the site and you can tell that they couldn’t see anyone alive and/or couldn’t help. The fire fighters came shortly after and took about 10 minutes to put out the fire. Although I knew there wouldn’t be any survivors, I was hoping for a miracle and there would be. I don’t know anything about flying but my original thought from what I saw was that it looked like a gust of wind may have picked up the aircraft. Sky Hawk, thank you for putting this together and the purpose behind why you did it. Accidents happen all the time and the best thing we can do is try to learn from them. It is hard enough to lose someone but to lose them without any kind expectation is even worse in my opinion. I learned my own lessons and I try to make sure I share how much I love my friends and family who are in my life.

Wouldn't the CFI have said "My controls!" rather than "Let go!"? And why would the CFI be shouting over the tower frequency? Maybe it was the student on the radio.

Murder/suicide by the student? Their background should be looked into.

How Awful

Can’t understand radio

Thanks for the coverage sir! Im not a aero enthusiast but I've always been fascinated with CVRs from the past and the animations. This one stood out when I came across the photos. Such a terrible accident.

It’s almost as if the CFI should have carried a knife and stabbed the student in the throat.

student freeze...

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Terrible loss. ALL INSTRUCTORS should make it very clear to any student, the if the instructor says "I HAVE THE AIRCRAFT", the student is to IMMEDIATELY let go of the controls. All airline pilots transfer controls are made with those same words.

It's funny but not really to read non-pilot comments such as "wake turbulence, prop wash, jet flying overhead, ad nauseum. If you are not a licensed pilot and therefore ignorant of cause and effect in a real airplane, please be silent. The intro student froze on the controls or grabbed them on short final causing the crash. Whether he dove the airplane or more likely zoom climbed & stalled it is a moot point as his reaction killed them both. RIP & condolences to both families, burning to death is a horrible way to die.

I learned to fly at SM aviation with Ali, next door to SM flyers. I always saw this aircraft every single day, flying. My condolence to both pilots family🙏🏻

Tough to listen to... Some kids just don't have the kinesthetic awareness.

Hard to here those last moments. Thank you for this educational video friend. Rip Amen 🙏.

Sad 😞 rip Amen 🙏.

I did an intro flight here…several years ago. Looks like the same path as back then. When we came in for landing, we were super close to cars just above Bundy and I remember we hit a little pocket of air or something just above the fence as we crossed into the airport. The instructor did not have me land because it was an intro flight. But it did look scary because the ground was super visible in that tiny craft. Was so shocked and sad to hear about this.

I think you are spot on with your assessment of what did not happen to cause this accident. My best guess is the plane stalled at the end of the runway and……..

I would say suicide by pilot. The "student" knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately crashed the plane. Sadly you never know who you give that intro flight to. And it might just be a crazed psycho with voices in the head.

I am a helicopter flight instructor - lots going on in the cockpit during landing and take off. Students do weird things sometimes. Always guard the controls for the first 20 hours. Until that first 20 hours I’m always very ready. This is a nightmare situation. God bless them both.

Wake turbulence from the King Air wouldn't begin until its wings began to bear weight just prior to liftoff. At the altitude and position of the Sport, that would not be a factor. Would they demonstrate stalls on a discovery flight?

This was a passenger locking up on the controls… remember punch the person in the nose, and they will let go of the controls. Hit them as hard as you can with a back handed fist the second they don’t do as commanded. Yes, you can kill them as ‘captain’. You are in total command.

This accident was a wake up call for me as a CFI. I would not always guard the controls during landing practice. Unfortunately it cost the lives of two people for me to realize how quickly an accident can occur during the landing phase. Condolences to the families.

I fly an Evektor very simular to the czecksport and had a passenger freeze up on the controls scared the bejesus out of me , can’t imagine having it happen on short final , very sad

There will not be any probable cause from the NTSB so don't expect it, but its a great place to work! The NTSB no longer exist as formed 1964 it's all about running out the clock and collecting a healthy pension. Not one member is qualified to investigate any transportation accident and along with KR and all the comments from experienced pilots, we can come up with a cause and not probable in less than 5 minutes. I don'e believe even the FAA cares much about any GA accidents anymore either.

I am going to agree with Dan Gryder and say it was pilot personality and the student locked up on the controls and the instructor could not physically make the student release his locked arms.