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I've really enjoyed these conversations-- can't wait for Season 2! I'm a 1* and have learned so much.

I am seriously opposed to any outer court activity connected to an Initiatory Group, a coven, magical group, or other type, that requires an initiation ritual to begin the training properly. It would be tough for the trained priesthood to avoid oath-bound material with the outer court. Alexandrian covens do hold soirees and often host public Sabbath rituals, or host an open circle on occasion. These are the opportunities for the coven priesthood to interact with those of interest, and it is the way for the seeker to check out a group and a tradition. I feel it should take time and effort to join a group. Participating in an outer court does not serve this; it will delay the ACTUAL work of the egregore and group. The seeker thinks they are showing up for the work, but they are showing up for the false teaching, or other teaching not related to the tradition. And when Karagan mentioned, early in the podcast, that some outer court groups have a degree system; I just knocked over my wine with visceral shock. UGH, NO!

Is there a place where it lists the differences in Gardnerian and Alexandrian? I am a post it note list person and linear in that way and a visual learner.

I could listen to this extremely wise Veiled Priestess for a long time❤. Genuine interest in witchcraft seems to come in waves, ebbs and flows. IMO witchcraft can be likened to gold - it needs continual polishing in order to maintain its shine - and this requires work, regular work, a lot of effort. Yet the shine is always there. There is a lot of fool's gold out there - the superficial quick-fix surface-level shiny substitutions that fade quickly and leave an unfilled void. There will always be those who seek for a longer lasting sheen - their journey is to recognise the difference.

Studying anything seriously in the occult world will require much work and devotion. There is no way around this fact; if you want to obtain the gifts delivered by occult training, you must sincerely put in the work. It is in the inner realms that so much of the change and growth take place. But hopefully, seekers will realize this within the first year of their seeking and will look for more serious traditions. Alexandrian witchcraft is a serious tradition!!

Thank you for your response. It was midterms last week, so this was nice to listen to now that everything is said and done. What I got from the response: 1 there is a difference between a sex cult and a fertility cult, and fertility doesn’t only include sex. 2 Hearing this, I recognize that my original questions seem to derive from a misunderstanding that fertility and sex are one and the same. &3 I loved the idea of arousal causing one to “stand at attention” and that there are various forms of arousal. I also loved the comments about leaving things to the imagination. Thank you. My questions are simply out of curiosity and are not meant to undermine or pry into the tradition. When I initiate, I want the tradition to change me, not the other way around, but I ask questions because I want to initiate once and stick to one religion. I don’t believe in stupid questions, but I believe in faulty questions, and understanding that my questions are rooted in a perspective that isn’t how the tradition see’s itself was an issue that I am happy to be aware of. Anyway, thanks. xoxo from Florida

Great episode. I agree completely with your point that "the Tradition transforms you; you don't transform the Tradition." Important message. thanks

Hi, I enjoyed the episode. Some questions I am left with are: If the physical body emits or reflects spiritual power, does sexual arousal play a role? Is Gardner's refusal to initiate homosexuals due to a belief that the inability to find the opposite sex attractive becomes a hindrance to the flow of power? What is the role of arousal, and does the inability to be aroused to the opposite sex cause an issue? Are homosexuals who believe they are better suited to homogenous groups because their full sexual arousal/power is not inhibited justified? Thank you, I hope I articulated my questions clearly.

Indeed, a wonderful episode.

Thank you again for another brilliant episode. Looking forward to Brian's new book and yours as well, Karagan.

Great episode ❤

I am so happy with this Podcast and content. Michael And Karagan are bringing up the most important topics. Bravo. BB

Excellent episode! I'm Gardnerian but I found myself nodding and exclaiming "YES!" all the time.

A lot of gems discussed in a rather coherent manner. Looking forward to future episodes. BB

BB Karagan and Michael. I am waiting expectantly for Episode 3. The conversation is rich and deeply developed. Thank you both for taking the time to record For Coven's Sake.