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Jaguar XJ V12 Cooling System Upgrade part 3 (of 3)
Upgrade of Jaguar V12 cooling system to twin electric fans, with Davies Craig electronic fan controller, using some of the existing car wiring. Also an upgraded alternator (120A JCB Fastrac 1135 model) and cabling.
Part 1 can be found here @CvCw
Part 2: th-cam.com/video/BCa3v_xikjc/w-d-xo.html
Part 1 can be found here @CvCw
Part 2: th-cam.com/video/BCa3v_xikjc/w-d-xo.html
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Jaguar V12 cooling system upgrade part 2
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Part 2 of 3 - Upgrade of Jaguar V12 cooling system to twin electric fans, with Davies Craig electronic fan controller, using some of the existing car wiring. Also an upgraded alternator (120A JCB Fastrac 1135 model) and cabling. Part 1 can be found here th-cam.com/video/ZN42hJaCvCw/w-d-xo.html. Part 3: th-cam.com/video/PoM9bPM0Bt4/w-d-xo.html
Jaguar XJ V12 Cooling System Upgrade - Part 1
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Part 1 of 3 - Upgrade of Jaguar V12 cooling system to twin electric fans, with Davies Craig electronic fan controller, using some of the existing car wiring. Also an upgraded alternator (120A JCB Fastrac 1135 model) and cabling. Part 2 can be found here: th-cam.com/video/BCa3v_xikjc/w-d-xo.html Part 3: th-cam.com/video/PoM9bPM0Bt4/w-d-xo.html
Warning on accessing S3 wiper mechanism
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Please learn from my mistakes; following the Haynes manual advice on removing the windscreen grille - attempting to access the wiper mechanism.
Battery maintenance charger
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For a relatively small investment, keep your battery in peak condition and significantly prolong its life. Additionally, there will be less strain on the alternator and even the starter motor when you use your car.
Jaguar V12 Vacuum Advance Delay - safe removal
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How to safely remove the vacuum advance delay from your XJ12 / Daimler Double Six / XJ-S V12 HE engine. This improves engine efficiency during the first 15 minutes of car use (though slowing engine heat-up slightly). No noticeable effects to engine behaviour and removes clutter from engine bay. (Note: this modification was performed on an HE engine that does not have the air injection system) L...
Does this trigger a check engine light
This fix is for 5.3L HE V12s that predates check engine lights. What year / version car do you have?
@ 1992 5.3l
Nice mention to Kirby Palm´s "The Book" in the video. That shows true knowledge!
This, actually, should go into "The Book" as a best practice
Very interesting,my own XJS can be quite erratic on starting in cold weather,I wonder if this is part of the issue? Thanks for posting.
I would look at the coolant temp sensor on the left side of the engine (as viewed from driving position). It’s near the front of the engine - a poor connection and / or failing sensor, will have your engine hesitant when cold. The problem is worse the colder the engine and decreases as the car warms - the fault is telling the ecu the engine is hot, which leans the mixture (when a richer mixture is needed). You can test it by disconnecting the sensor and starting the car from cold and attempt a drive - if there isn’t much difference in performance, that is the problem. Let me know how you go.
@@cosgraham534 thank you for your reply. Have replaced all coolant temperature sensors and thermostats with new original Jaguar items , wiring check is next on the fault finding list,time permitting. I have found your videos most informative. Many thanks.
@@boyfromblackstuff7859 Thank you for your comments and good luck with your car!
disconnecting battery plus but leaving ground connected is DANGEROUS. Always disconnect Ground first.
6:00 *Star Spangled Banner intensifies* 😂 (Yes, I know you're Down Under, but I feel like it's almost an obligatory tradition for some of us 😆) Anyhow, thanks for pointing out the "try it before you buy it" trick at 8:55. I'm doing some "catch-up maintenance" on the XJ-S that I recently acquired, and I'll add this to the checklist while I'm refreshing the fuel lines, vacuum system, and the like. It seems to me that the 15-min vac delay system is more emissions-focused than anything else (e.g. run warm to get the cats heated), but I do need to dig into "The Book" a bit deeper than my initial skim. Cheers 👍
Good luck with the work you do on your XJ-S. BTW, it was a .223 Remington case at the 6 min mark - you are the only person to notice!
Looking really good., I went a slightly different direction with the electric fans - I just use a twin fan cowl from a Jaguar X-type which more or less fits the V12 XJS. Then a soft start fan controller just has both fans running at approx 30% speed constantly, so the AC works but it's nice and quiet, then a 2nd temp controller switches the fans to 100% on relays when coolant temp hits 90 degrees C & off at 87 degrees. Works well.
Lots of different ways to approach it - whatever gets the results you want, eh?
There is no reason to "upgrade" the cooling systems on these cars. They did not overheat when new and if one does now it is due to a lack of skilled maintenance. They were designed, developed and tested by very clever human beings and the factory guaranteed them. Sure, you can buy all your bobbins and bodge them in to that beautiful car, but maybe you should learn about the original system and work on getting that right. Sure, you have removed the engine fan and saved power, but now you place more electrical load on the alternator. If you think that you are more clever than the people that built, sold, guaranteed these cars you are kidding yourself.
Great results. Where did you get the inline coolant filter? Looks like a great idea. Thanks for sharing. Cheers!
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I was warned about annoying noise, but I cannot hear the fans above the normal noise of the engine, even when I am outside the car. I have to put my hand in front of each end of the front grill, to feel if each fan is on! There is some extra zip in the car, soon after starting it - previously the mechanical fan would be engaged for the first couple of minutes. I thought there would be more power generally, but haven’t noticed the loss of rotational mass particularly. The mechanical fan is VERY heavy and I’m glad it’s gone!
Are there any noticeable noise or power improvements?
Great information, thanks for sharing. 2024 will see my changing my 72 XJ6 to a XJ12 using a 76 pre-HE V12. Keep up the great work. Very nice looking Jag by the way. Cheers.
Thanks Jeff. I have just taken my DD6 out on the first ‘proper’ run in warm weather. The new fan setup is very effective - a big relief. Good luck with your change to a V12.
hi, I'm restoring this car, can you tell me how to mount the windshield glass, should they be glued or just with gaskets?
Hello - I did not install the windscreen, it was done by a professional. I know the series 2 are glued in - there is a video on the topic in youtube channel ‘living with a classic’. I do not know if series 3 (like mine) are bonded - I imagine they must be!
Thank you for the wonderful video. I actually do not like to fix things by canceling other things, but it seems that we must do that in the 12-cylinder Jaguar. I replaced everything that could be replaced and did not reach any results. The car barely started with difficulty, and now that I connected it according to your video, it ran. Things are going well, but my question is, does this affect the engine in the long run and fuel consumption? Thank you again
I’m very pleased to hear the good news - thank you for sharing it. The purpose of the vacuum delay advance is to make the engine run inefficiently from cold, so the engine heats more quickly. Have a read of the Kirby Palm book pages 133-137 for a detailed explanation of this. This modification will allow better fuel economy from cold, via a less fuel-rich mixture. This will decrease wear inside the 12 cylinders burning fuel. But… the engine will take a little longer to get to operating temperature. As these cars are now classics that are used occasionally and are treated with respect and are (hopefully) well maintained, any such effects are negligible. Just make sure you always run your car up to operating temperature whenever you start it (decreases spark plug wear and engine wear due to water condensation on engine components).
Just tried this but is experiencing higher idle rev. Have others had the same result?
Have you blocked the spare vacuum ports that are no longer used - specially the extra air valve port?
Hi Caspar. Yes I have. All unnecessary ports are blocked by means of a short piece of hose with a metal stud in it. Just as you've blanked off yours. If you haven't noticed any change in idle speed then it's obviously something to do with my car. Only thing I can think of is the dump valve, as I tested the one-way valve to ensure correct vacuum flow through it. All good, I'll do a bit more investigation. @@cosgraham534
@@thomaspetersen2642 Ok, good luck with it. Can you please let us know the source of the idle speed issue when you have resolved it, I’m intrigued?!
Hi, is this applicable to the 1988 onwards HE with the Marelli ignition system?
My understanding is the Marelli distributor does not feature a vacuum (or centrifugal) advance, so this modification does not apply. Good luck.
Brilliant video, thank you so much. Don`t underestimate the value of sharing such experience and information with others.
Thank you for your kind words - I really appreciate the feedback!
Great, looking forward to giving this a go!
Thats a lovely car. Well done.
Just want to say a big thank you . I have been working on my 1985 XJSC renewing the injection rail hoses and tip filters , replacing the inlet manifold gaskets. When putting all the vacuum air system back it was a nightmare. I followed your instructions and did away with some of the relays, valves and rubber hoses ,and reconnect as per your Video ,she runs like a dream and so much simpler .I also live in Australia on the west coast so we don’t suffer the cold weather so she should be fine . Once again thanks .
Thank you for your message - that's great news about your Jag! Happy driving.
Hello mate, that cars now beautiful. Got to do this with my 2 dutches's( I'm not a millionaire, got them both cheap, they were destined to be euthanized) hank you for sharing this with us, I've learnt a lot👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
great vid! what with the scratches due to when they put the sceen back in? take it back and have them rectify it, its a Jag.
Hi Cos, I'm in the process of buying a 1986 Jaguar series 3 V12. It has rust in the same areas where your Jaguar had it. But much worse. Can you please give me details on where you had your great work done. Thank you
Hello Mustafa - in which part of the world are you based?
@@cosgraham534 Hi Cos, I'm located in Hoppers Crossing , Vic 3029
Ok, thanks. A couple of points - the guy who sorted my screens did not want me to name his business, because he works on his own and gets sufficient work from referrals via Spiteri’s and Mike Roddy. He really is the only person in Melbourne who knows XJs for bodywork. If the rust around the screens needs welding, you will need to get the dash and headlining out at the front, and the petrol tanks out at the rear (I guess you could fill them with water instead). That is all very labour intensive. I can probably get the contact details of the bloke who knows how to remove and replace the screens - he did mine and provided the rubbers.
@@cosgraham534 Thanks Cos, i will find someone to see have a really good look to see if it will need welding. thank you so much. Will be in contact.
@@mustafabala1001 I will do what I can to help.
Please can you give some information about how or who’s services you employed to refit both screens? I’m approaching the end of a pretty heavy restoration of a 1981 Series 3 XJ12HE. It already has a new headliner fitted so prior to the refitment of the screens it’s important to do plenty of planning to prevent a disaster! Any advice will be very much appreciated. Your car is fantastic. They are the most beautiful cars ever made, at any price.
Hello Peter - can you please advise where you are based? Regards, Caspar
@@cosgraham534 Thanks for your reply; I’m just outside Newcastle in England.
@@petermyers5793 My location in Melbourne, Australia, is probably not going to be of much use to you then!
@@cosgraham534 Maybe not, or maybe. My problem is figuring out how the seals are “sandwiched” into position. It seems that the thicker seal goes to the underside of the screen, then the thinner type seal (which has a groove on one side of it) goes to the top side. Figuring out where to position the sides with the grooves in them has me unsure. Maybe I’ll consult with the JEC over here. Maybe they know a professional who regularly does these. All series 3’s rot like hell over here so it has to be an issue that’s been addressed my many owners.
@@petermyers5793 I’m sorry I cannot help - this advice is for a S2, but may be of use? th-cam.com/video/6WNmFrpM4Rw/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for this!!
#7 is NOT a check valve, its a vacuum delay valve, 'Standard motor products vacuum delay valve DSV9' to be precise
Can you please tell me its purpose and mode of operation?
I don’t think I used the term ‘check valve’ in the video - I referred to it as a ‘one way valve’, which is how it works in my set-up. It allows vacuum to only work in one direction. This configuration is of my own (trial and error) design, and I have repurposed that ‘DSV9’ component to control the draw of vacuum.
Excellent research Cos. I plan to do the same on my '83 XJ-S as soon as I've had the vacuum advance module repaired. One question: why did you find it necessary to fit the inline one-way vacuum valve into the feed to the dump valve? It was my understanding that the function of the dump valve was that of a one-way valve, but with the added function (to dump vacuum), controlled from it's connection to the inlet manifold. Thanks.
You may well be right on your suggestion - it sounds logical. It is a long time since I experimented with my car and got a successful outcome. My car is performing perfectly now, so I won't make any further changes. Relating to vacuum advance... make sure to lubricate the advance mechanism in your distributor, and seal the connections in the vacuum lines - all the way to the inlet manifold. Good luck!
@@cosgraham534 Its not a one-way valve, it's actually a restrictor which has the effect of delaying the vacuum. To be honest, I cannot fathom how this setup actually provides better fuel consumption. In theory it shouldn't.
Great video, thanks for posting. Going through all this now on my ‘86 Cab. Unfortunately today found the vac advance diaphragm is stuffed so now to find a new one somewhere.
You limit revs to 4000 ? You're missing all the enjoyment. You can't kill these things if you try. As long as you don't ever let them cook they'll never break. BTW, as you'd realize, there are several different setups in this area in the various markets, but people should be able to identify the components and work their way through this process allowing for different vacuum hose setups etc.
Hi Chaser - I have revised my approach to revs on my V12 since I posted that video. Having worked on the ignition system and vacuum system, and installed K&N air filters, the engine response and power have improved noticeably. I am now a lot more inclined to exercise the revs… What an engine! If you spend long at high revs, bear in mind the standard water pump is geared quite highly - race-tuned V12s gear down the pump by about 30% to stop the water cavitating at high revs. You make a good point about the different vacuum setups for varying regions - the Haynes manual gives the schematics for Japan, US, UK and Australia. I thiiink my solution is ‘agnostic’ to the various regional setups, since I am removing the factory components and creating a generic one. I cannot guarantee that and probably should have been clear about it in the description.
@@cosgraham534 Yes, but I think your video adequately describes and identifies the components well enough that anyone liable to be doing it will have no trouble. And yes, the engines are still without parallel in strength. With forged chrome molly cranks and rods and such large dimension of bearings and lower crankcase. Add that to the much lower load per member of a V12 engine and you understand why a V8 would struggle to compete in ultimate terms. Keep the cooling system and hoses as well as the injection hoses etc in good shape and the things will go forever. I remember the first one I pulled down in 1983. It was a 1974 carbureted XJ12 with over 100,000 miles and the crankshaft was still on standard dimension - mains and big ends - no ovality, no scoring - no nothing.
So nitriding the crankshaft really works...
@@cosgraham534 Yes, I'm sure it has the stated benefits. The V12 cranks are actually tuftrided and that's why Jaguar stated that the cranks need to be returned to them to be ground. I assume that's because tuftriding does not produce as deep a hardened casing as nitriding. A 20 thou under grind would effectively remove the tuftriding. I'm sure that the process could be managed by the right company anywhere these days if needed.
Great Video. Did I understand right: If I try to remove one cable from the water heat sensor I have the same result ? How do I recognize an airinjection system. I drive a 92 DD6 here in Germany. Thanks !
That is correct - you can disconnect one wire from the coolant temperature sensor and the vacuum advance delay system will be disabled. I am sorry but I cannot help with the air injection system. It was not fitted to my UK car. I would remove the system entirely!
@@cosgraham534 Cheers mate ! The air system is in the american cars to blow fresh air in the exhaust to fulfill enviorment messures
Thank you so much for this brilliant video. My H.E. had serious idling issues, making me mad . Shutting off this circuit made the XJ-S and me happy again. Greetings from Germany.
I'm delighted to hear that! Thanks for the feedback.
I have a question about a hose. Do you know where all the vacuum hoses go from one to another? If yes, how can I contact you?
Hi - I can certainly answer questions on how I have routed the vacuum lines on my car. Why not post a question on the 'Real XJ' Forum, of which I am an administrator: facebook.com/groups/925138951319777
You Mention that you live in Australia, I think you will find that the Jaguar V12 is set up with the Emissions D, not Emissions B, for cars sold in Australia, the Emissions b is set up for UK emissions. The Australian Vaccum advance has an Advance and a Retard.
Hi Trevor - My car is a UK import, so has that configuration. You are correct to point out that the Australian config is different (as are US and Japan...)
BL have a lot to answer
Points for effort - just poorly executed
brilliant solution
Thanks - I have spent time recently, sealing the vacuum pipe joints and lubricated the vacuum advance mechanism in the distributor. That, with new HT leads / cap / rotor arm and plugs, has further improved the response and smooth running / acceleration of the engine.
Hi Coz !!! .... It must be a beautiful car to own ??? .... I learned years ago that there were never any "plans" for that engine from it's launch in 1970 !! .... ( i'd guess the vacuum delay retards the engine until it's warmed up ?? ) .... Your car is like a "marque" of engineering with a very sedate street presence !!! .... Coz i'm afraid i cannot see ONE virtue in a new car whatsoever !!! .... The interiors are like "designer kitchens" , The tires cost about £150 each , Those interactive screens are "putrid" , The fuel economy only just exceeds your car, The seats look like they've been bought in a computer shop , The paint fades quick , They look outdated after a few years , And last but not least , continual "road noise" !!!
Great video. I currently use an isolator switch to try to reduce battery drain between drives ( which can be several weeks) but if I can arrange this type of charger in a way that can be easily hooked up it would be a better solution. Keep up the videos.
Great video very well produced and easy to follow. Has helped me out considerably in my effort to tidy up the engine bay in my series 3 sovereign v12, I am also in Aust so engine warm up is not too much of an issue. It would be great to see any other modifications you have implemented on the car.
Andrew K Thanks Andrew, I’m very glad it helped. I plan to upgrade the cooling system at some point, and I’ll post a video of that, when it happens. Cheers, Caspar
Hi, thank you very much for this video! It is greatly appreciated as I've been scratching my head over the routing of these vacuum lines since I got my XJ12. In my car, the vacuum lines from the dump valve are in a loop not connected to anything else. Several other valves in the circuit are disconnected and it's just one big mess of confusion. Can't wait to try out this setup. Thank you again!
Daniel Great, I hope it all works out for you. Please let me know how it went!
@@cosgraham534 Came back to report and thank you again as the operation was a success! Threw out all that junk, started her up and for the first time since getting the car, it actually idles and holds rpm, so I'm very excited. Although the idle RPMs are stable now, it drops a bit every now and then, so I still have to sort that out. And a bunch of other stuff, but when are you ever really done with these cars.
Daniel That is excellent news! I’m glad it was a success - thanks for reporting back. For the other issues such as the misfire, I recommend you try searching the Jag-Lovers’ forum for answers: forums.jag-lovers.com You need to join the forum and then you can search for key words eg ‘misfire’, adding #xj, and you can search through lots of helpful info. It is an invaluable resource that has helped me diagnose and fix multiple issues with my car. Best of luck!
Daniel - you may be interested in the following XJ-specific Facebook group: facebook.com/groups/925138951319777/?ref=share
is their anything like this on the US spec HE engines? ill be removing my air pump system in a few weeks here
If you are able to remove your air injection system, and you can get your engine running correctly without it, you should then be able to follow my method to remove the vacuum advance delay (VAD) system and get the same results as I have. If you disconnect the coolant temp sensor (as shown in my video) you will disable the VAD on a temporary basis, to see how your car responds without it e.g. how much slower the warm-up is, and what sort of improvement in fuel economy you get. If you are happy then to proceed, I cannot think of a reason why removal of the system would not be successful. You will have effectively converted your V12 to a 'standard' spec, by removing the North American spec components and configuration. If you want to be extra cautious, you could always keep the existing VAD system components in place, and then rig the system up like I have done, borrowing the existing pipework, re-plumbed into the new configuration (remembering to block off ports and pipes that have been opened to atmosphere). Let us know how you get on!
Hi Gavin, I have the same Jaguar as you a US spec 1990 XJS, did you remove your air pump and if you did, did you have any luck with Grahams vacuum delete process, I'm looking to do the same? thanks
@@bobjason so regarding my first comment forever ago, since then I have removed all the vacuum lines and even the intake manifolds and injection system, I’m converting to carbs so their isn’t much info I have on the injection vacuum system lol
@@spartanreaper911 Thanks Gavin for your reply and good luck with your on going project.
Thanks for the video, Cos....and I might be your first subscriber! I have removed the complex vacuum advance system on my 86 V12 too -mostly because the vacuum modulator stopped working correctly and I couldn't find another. I'll put the dump valve back into the system now, though. One thing to add, I believe the Extra Air Valve (EAV) also provides extra air when when the car is in Drive/Reverse and AC is switched on,..... to prevent revs dipping too low. It also keeps revs a little higher during cold start. I found you can remove the switch that closes the vacuum to the advance but keep the EAV working - which is what I've done.
Thanks Peter - I have been enjoying your videos too - you have inspired me to attempt a radiator upgrade myself. I'm going for an aluminium rad with twin electric fans. The mod you suggest for the EAV sounds compelling - I'll see how my car goes over the next few months (Summer and Winter) and will implement it if I have any low-idle issues. Thanks for subscribing.
Great video! That looks like a beautiful Daimler. Thanks again for the mention