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Podcast #11, izložba Chroatorum bellatores
Tema podcasta je priprema izložbe Chroatorum bellatores koja prikazuje razvoj vojne opreme hrvatskog ratnika kroz nekoliko stoljeća. Na temu izvedbe izložbe razgovarali su Deni Tojčić, autor izložbe, Zorab Boban, autor likovnog postava, Dalibor Popovič, autor ilustracija i multimedijalnog sadržaja i Mladen Matijaca, voditelj tehničke izvedbe izložbe. U ovom smo razgovoru raspravljali o razlozima koji su nas potakli da ovu izložbu prezentiramo na ovaj način, o problemima sa kojima smo se susretali i njihovim rješenjima. U prvom dijelu podcasta uspoređujemo našu izložbu s nekim, trenutno aktualnim izložbama u Europi, objašnjavamo razloge zbog kojih smo se odlučili na jedan potpuno drugačiji pristup od onoga na koji smo se navikli te zašto jednostavno preuzimanje tuđih formi ponekad nije moguće. Podcast je bogato popraćen fotografijama i video isječcima s izložbe.
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Knjižnički bonton
มุมมอง 836 หลายเดือนก่อน
Nijemi video pantomimskog izričaja donosi pravila ponašanja korisnika knjižnice. Rađen prema ideji Lade Laure, više muzejske pedagoginje i Silvane Matković, knjižnične tehničarke u Muzeju hrvatskih arheoloških spomenika u Splitu, video je realiziran u suradnji s Umjetničkom akademijom u Splitu (UMAS), uz mentorstvo izv. prof. art. Brune Bebić. Gluma (studenti 1. godine diplomskog studija Gluma)...
Izložba Chroatorum bellatores - ratnici u ranom srednjem vijeku"
มุมมอง 321ปีที่แล้ว
Izložba "Chroatorum bellatores - ratnici u ranom srednjem vijeku" u Muzeju hrvatskih arheoloških spomenika . Otvorenje 18. svibnja 2023. godine. Utemeljenje i održavanje državnosti i identiteta u prošlosti, kao i danas, možda je najčešće vezano upravo za ratovanje. Tako bi ratnici igrali važnu, možda i krucijalnu ulogu u utemeljenju hrvatske države u srednjem vijeku, a potom i hrvatskog identit...
Ermitaž sv. Jere u Marjanu, na čarobnoj gori / St. Jerome's Hermitage at Marjan, the magical hill
มุมมอง 457ปีที่แล้ว
„Oprosti mi, Bože, jer sam Dalmatinac“ rekao je navodno Sv. Jeronim, kod nas još poznat i kao Sv. Jere. Njemu je posvećena crkvica i eremitaža na splitskom Marjanu. Asketska kamena arhitektura sljubljena s osamljenim marjanskim liticama, kao i bogata duhovna tradicija ovog mjesta, stvorili su jednu od najromantičnijih splitskih lokacija. "Forgive me, God, because I am a Dalmatian," said St. Jer...
Otvaranje izložbe fotografija Slavimo arheološku baštinu Irske
มุมมอง 1642 ปีที่แล้ว
Na tridesetak fotografija predstavljaju se neki od najznačajnijih arheoloških spomenika, povijesne građevine i krajolici Irske, koje Irci smatraju samim identitetom zemlje. Riječima glavnog arheologa Državne službe za spomenike i jednog od autora izložbe Michael MacDonagha ta kulturna baština potiče na razmišljanje, svjedoči o kontinuitetu i promjenama te se ogleda u irskoj kulturi, književnost...
Arheocast ep#10 - Što znamo o dolasku Slavena i Hrvata iz povijesnih izvora?
มุมมอง 23K2 ปีที่แล้ว
U jubilarnom , desetom Arheocastu razgovarali smo o zanimljivoj temi : povijesnim izvorima o dolasku Hrvata i Slavena na naše prostore. Sugovornik nam je bio izv. prof. dr. sc. Ivan Basić s Odsjeka za povijest Filozofskog fakulteta u Splitu. Koliko su povijesni izvori pouzdani i u kojoj mjeri služe kao propaganda onima koji ih pišu? Postoje li sigurni podaci o vremenu naseljavanja novih naroda ...
Arheocast ep#9 - Stećci
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U devetoj epizodi Arheocasta razgovarali smo o jednoj od najosebujnijih sastavnica naše srednjovjekovne baštine - stećcima. Što su stećci, gdje ih sve pronalazimo, tko su pokapani pod stećcima i kakav je današnji status ovih intrigantnih arheoloških lokaliteta? O tome, ali i o mnogim drugim pitanjima, govori nam Ivan Alduk, pročelnik Konzervatorskog odjela Ministarstva kulture u Imotskom.
Arheološki lokalitet Ostrog
มุมมอง 2K2 ปีที่แล้ว
U okviru EU projekta Value, 2021. godine nastavljeno je s arheološkim istraživanjima, konzervacijom i uređenjem arheološkog lokaliteta Ostrog u Kaštel Lukšiću. U radovima su sudjelovali djelatnici Muzeja hrvatskih arheoloških spomenika, Muzeja grada Kaštela te studenti Odjela za arheologiju Sveučilišta u Zadru.
Muzejski bonton
มุมมอง 1.3K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Pravila ponašanja u muzeju uobličena su u trominutni nijemi duhoviti video pantomimskog izričaja. Prema ideji Lade Laura, više muzejske pedagoginje Muzeja hrvatskih arheoloških spomenika, video je realiziran u suradnji s Umjetničkom akademijom u Splitu (UMAS) uz mentorstvo izv. prof. art. Brune Bebić Scenarij: Anja Ostojić Režija: Matko Petrić Gluma (studenti 3. godine UMAS, studijski program G...
Arheocast ep#8 - In colore veritas - otkrivanje izvornih nijansi renesansnog triptiha
มุมมอง 9563 ปีที่แล้ว
U današnjoj epizodi razgovarali smo s dr. sc. Mionom Milišom o istraživanju izvorne renesansne polikromije na kamenom triptihu Nikole Firentinca. Zahvaljujući suradnji Muzeja hrvatskih arheoloških spomenika i Umjetničke akademije Sveučilišta u Splitu, došli smo do vrijednih saznanja na osnovu kojih smo pokušali rekonstruirati originalni bojani sloj ovog vrijednog renesansnog spomenika. Koliko s...
Arheocast ep#7 - Ćakula o kamenu s prof. Ivom Donellijem
มุมมอง 9973 ปีที่แล้ว
U sedmom Vas Arheocastu pozivamo da zavirite iza muzejske scenografije, u svijet kamena, kamenoloma, konzervacije i restauracije ali i u povijest razvoja ove struke na području Dalmacije. Današnji sugovornik je redovni profesor na Umjetničkoj akademiji u Splitu gospodin Ivo Donelli.
Arheološka istraživanja na lokalitetu Gluvine kuće u Glavicama kraj Sinja (2021.)
มุมมอง 1.7K3 ปีที่แล้ว
Donosimo kratki video o upravo završenom arheološkom istraživanju na položaju Gluvine kuće u Glavicama kraj Sinja. Više informacija uskoro :)
Sveti Jere na Marjanu - Kultura renesanse u Dalmaciji u znaku Sv. Jeronima
มุมมอง 1453 ปีที่แล้ว
Sv. Jeronim jedan je od najznačajnih svetaca katoličke crkve. Ovaj učenjak i isposnik najpoznatiji je po prijevodu Bibilije (tzv. Vulgata), a kod nas je i posebno popularan upravo zato jer je bio "naš", kako on sam kaže ispričavajući se zbog toga (Oprosti mi, Gospodine, jer sam Dalmatinac). Njegov život, rad i porijeklo učinili su ga jednim od najomiljenijih svetaca u Dalmaciji. Inspiracija je ...
Arheocast ep#6 - Sveti Jere na Marjanu
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Arheocast ep#5 - Arheološki lokalitet na Bribirskoj glavici
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  • @kristijanchumba5543
    @kristijanchumba5543 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    30t srijedni vijek

  • @NevenCajic-zf3qx
    @NevenCajic-zf3qx 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sranje...poravnat sa zemljom sve...

  • @KotromanicPopeye
    @KotromanicPopeye 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Popeye--KOTROMANIC..,u samom nastupu gospodja koja je vodila ovu emisiju kaze, citiram :'Kad smo se doselili na ove nase prostore' . Pa cekaj? Zar nikad niste culi za ILIRIKUM ? 'Ko smo mi ILIRI, koji su prilikom provale Hrvata na isti, na njemu hiljadama godina zivjeli ? Zbog cega Bosnjaci nisu (osim jednog manjeg djela)prihvatili hriscanstvo, nego bogumilstvo, a zatim kad su dosli u dodir s islamom, islam prihvatise kao svoju vjeru, pa evo sve do danas, ali u mnogo vecem obimu. Odgovor lezi u tome da su se prezivjeli ILIRI, danasnji BOSNJACI vjerom i kulturom nastojali razlikovati od divljih S-H Barbara tj. divljaka Slovena. U nasoj historiografiji stoji da su domicilni ILIRI bjezali prije svega, od smrada koji se na sve strane sirio iz slovenskih naselja (pogledaj srpski N-1 dnevnik i higijensko stanje u Srbiji , danas)tako da su ILIRSKE dame nagovarale svoje muzeve da ta podrucja s Slovenima napuste za trajno u pravcu tadasnjeg Rima tj. Vizantije. Jedan dio Ilira je u potrazi za svjezim zrakom pobjegao (dodjose divlji, otjerase pitome) u pravcu Konstantinopolisa, a jedan dio naseli Bosnu, koja je divljacima sa sjevera, bila ne zanimljiva. Aproppo Srbi i Hrvati, odavno ste na ILIRIKUMU.., interesuje me kad ce te ici kuci.., mislim tamo od kud ste i dosli ? Sasvim ozbiljno, a iz kuce KOTRMANIC.., hvala !

  • @organicgardener1112
    @organicgardener1112 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Manjkavost izvora? Pričate lažnu povijest.

  • @organicgardener1112
    @organicgardener1112 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pričaš bajke. Valda se sječaš šta je Netanijahu rekao Vučiću u Jerusalimu? Pitajte Židove da vam daju knjige koje su sakrili iz Aleksandrijske biblioteke.

  • @lukabotica7984
    @lukabotica7984 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A tko je prije bio na ovim područjima? Ovce i koze pasli travu a mi došli u dronjcima i usput pričamo jedan od najtežih jezika na svijetu.

  • @goranbatovanja5170
    @goranbatovanja5170 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cekaj, da se organiziramo..........Hrvati su dosli u 7 stoljecu ali o tome nema izvora??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Ne postoji veca laz od Hrvatske sluzbene povijesti.

  • @ZdenkoFranic
    @ZdenkoFranic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hrvati su doselili iz Irana zvali su se Huruhvaiti .Mi učimo u školi iskrivljenu povijest da smo mi Slaveni..Vrijeme je da se napiše prava povijest Hrvata.

  • @tozanmir
    @tozanmir 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i hodža hoće slagat,,,JAHVE NIJE BOG,,,kad smo kod boga,,,Hereza ko poklon,,,rvata pope rvata,,,obaci te ono novo novo normalno,,,svoju Herezu da čuvaš,,,

  • @tozanmir
    @tozanmir 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    od uvjek ste ovde,,,,od uvjek,,,,Arijanska a oni nas onda poksti li,,,islaminizali inkvizicijom,,,nemogu miko oni s bogom imat veze,,,,gost nema dušu,,,izbaci ga,,,,,

  • @tozanmir
    @tozanmir 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nelaži jadan ne bio,,diploma egoisti,,,,oni će nas pokopat,,,biološki se nemožete oporavit,,,a sad ni odbranit,,možemo ako smo auhtotoni,,otimaju vam zemlju,,,,djecu šalju EU nepostoi,,,niđe od kuće,,,neidi,,,Ne Vjeruj te im,,,,ni hodži ni popu,,,,Iliri,,,SRB,HRV I BOŠ,,,NEPOSTOJE,,,BENJO KALAJ VAM JE KUM,,,da se lakše ubijate,,,500g,,sve su slagali,,JAHVE NIJE BOG,,,svog narod Ilirsku Herezu,,,dalmatinska i bosanska su bile sestre,,,jedan smo narod,,,,kinezima,,braći čifutima,,,

  • @zlundraful
    @zlundraful 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Izmišljena priča dolazak iz neznaju od kud u 7st. 😂😂 a ima zapisa za hrvatskog vladara 300 g. prije,znači u 4 stolječu al to mnogima ne paše pa se vi držite laži ko pijan plota. A ja znam da smo mi ovdje od prije Isusovog doba.

  • @svarogserbona850
    @svarogserbona850 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Какви хрвати у Далмацији !!!!! шта је бизант 🤣🤣🤣

  • @savastanic8846
    @savastanic8846 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    KOJA BUDALASTINA,,,,

  • @savastanic8846
    @savastanic8846 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    HOCE LI U EMISIJU DA POZOVETE NEKOGA KO NECE OVOLIKO GLUPOSTI DA KAZE,,,

  • @velikiprinc
    @velikiprinc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ajde neka san negdi i ja prvi😂

  • @s0bleee
    @s0bleee 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Zalosno je sto ne znamo svoju povijest, doseljavanja nikad nije ni bilo.

    • @lukabotica7984
      @lukabotica7984 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lažu nas i pljuju po nama od pamtivijeka

  • @MiloradBogdanović-b3n
    @MiloradBogdanović-b3n 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hrvati su iz Irana,dokaz narodna imena mjeseca u godini!

    • @voyagersquaremuzika
      @voyagersquaremuzika 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Znači da su i Poljaci i Česi i Ukrajinci također iz Irana pošto i oni imaju nazive za mjesece kao i Hrvati!? Govoriš gluposti, zar ne vidiš da su nazivi za mjesece čisto slavenskog porijekla!

  • @Lucidarius
    @Lucidarius 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Divan kanali cesitam timo na uspjehu!, bice support na sve s vremenom, jer mislim sve i pregledati. Nadmam se emisiji o ovako ozbiljnom profesionalnom spomeniku na boatom Braču, osobito Povaljska ranokrscanska bazilika, tamosnji ornamenti imam neke na likama), a ima jos toga... lijepi pozdrav

  • @jurajfrucka8391
    @jurajfrucka8391 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Niđe veze…

  • @spajkic1
    @spajkic1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Одгледах све у нади да ћу сазнати гдје се налази гроб неког Хрватског краља. Али ништа, јбга. 😢

    • @lukatomsic5426
      @lukatomsic5426 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Srbin ili tkovec?prica o kraljevima i nekakvoj vjerodostojnosti podataka!?hehe Zvuci kao dobar vic?! Srbi i postenje!Srbi i nekakva povijest!Dusan silini,blabla! Oduvijek placenici,odmetnici,i uvijek nakon svega bjezite-lazete-prodajete se Od turaka i osmanlija do rusa i svega ostalog trenutno! Hvala na poucnim izjavama Sve najbolje

    • @zmaj3510
      @zmaj3510 หลายเดือนก่อน

      probaj naći kosti sektaša Save!😂😂😂

    • @biljanakocanovic6778
      @biljanakocanovic6778 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zmaj3510 Постоји рука, не брини...иначе, јадно саркастично...секташ ти тата, тако ми кажемо, кад неко баљезга...

  • @magdalenabuljan7219
    @magdalenabuljan7219 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Naselje Stilsko 🇺🇦🇭🇷 Bili Horvati ❤ Bijela Hrvatska ❤ 626. - 2026.

  • @AndjaRus
    @AndjaRus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Arhiologija sve govori o povijest povijest istorija je sakrivena jos pre tisucu godina poslusajmo JOVANA Deretica i bit ce nam sve jasno.

  • @AndjaRus
    @AndjaRus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Arhiologija sve govori o povijest povijest istorija je sakrivena jos pre tisucu godina poslusajmo JOVANA Deretica i bit ce nam sve jasno.

  • @franjomlinarek8664
    @franjomlinarek8664 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Povijest nije egzaktna nauka kao matematika ali ako se služi logikom i materijalnim dokazima može doći do prihvatljivih rezultata. U doba seoba ime naroda nije značilo naciju u današnjem smislu. .nacije su mlađi pojam i tu u raspravama nema mjesta za šarlatane,nacionaliste neuke naivce!!!

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Siprijan Rober NARODI DONJEG DUNAVA SU PROTO-SRBI I TU SU OD PRIJE MOJSIJA, SRBI SU MAJKA SVIH NARODA

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Laonik Halkokondil 1453: SERBLOS TRYBALLOS AUTEM GENTEM ESSE TOTIUS ORBIS ANTIQUISSIMAM ET MAХIMAM COMPERTUM HABEO SRBI TRIBALI NAROD NAJSTARIJI I NAJVEĆI OD SVIH NARODA TO POUZDANO ZNAM

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pavel Jozef Šafarik SRBI SU NAJBROJNIJI NAROD OD KOGA SU POTEKLI SVI OSTALI SLAVENI

    • @petarmadunic
      @petarmadunic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Deretić:,, Isus je Srbin"

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Josif Dobrovski U PRASTARA VREMENA SVI SLAVENI SU SE NAZIVALI SRBIMA

    • @DejanRistic-mf2fi
      @DejanRistic-mf2fi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Potpuno tačno

    • @tozanmir
      @tozanmir 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      nisu,,,već,,,SRB,,kao i Hetiti i Amoriti,,,samo Ilir nećeš jer je od Boga,,,zabranjeno jedno ime,,,Ilir,,,

    • @goranbatovanja5170
      @goranbatovanja5170 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      nije istina

    • @maddog6719
      @maddog6719 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@goranbatovanja5170 Pavel Jozef Šafarik SRBI SU NAJBROJNIJI NAROD OD KOGA SU POTEKLI SVI OSTALI SLAVENI. ILIRSKI SRBI I LUŽIČKI SRBI NASLIJEDIŠE SVOJA IMENA IZ PRASTARIH VREMENA KADA SU SADAŠNJA SLAVENSKA PLEMENA BILA UJEDINJENA POD ZAJEDNIČKIM IMENOM SRBI

    • @petarmadunic
      @petarmadunic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Srbi su nastali od Hrvata

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Šulc poljski istoričar SLAVENI SE NISU JUŽNO OD DUNAVA POJAVILI U 6v. VEĆ SU OVDJE ŽIVJELI OD NAJSTARIJIH VREMENA KAO ILIRO-TRAČANI, MNOGI ANTIČKI SVEDOCI KAO STRABON KAŽU DA ILIRI I TRAČANI NISU SEBI BILI STRANI, JER SU OVI NARODI BILI ISTOG PORIJEKLA IMALI ISTE OBIČAJE I POREDAK, OBOŽAVALI ISTE BOGOVE. ISTO PORIJEKLO KAO ONI IMAJU TAKOÐE I NARODI KOJI ŽIVE U ALPIMA, ISTOČNOJ ITALIJI, POGOTOVO VENETI, NORICI I RASI. ILIRO-TRAČANI ŽIVE NA GOR NJEM PODUNAVLJU I JUŽNOJ GERMANIJI OD PRAVREMEMA. SRBIN JE PRASTARO I NAJODOMAĆENIJE ZAJEDNIČKO IME SVIH SLAVENA

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mojsije od korenije Jermenski istoričar VELIKO PODRUČJE SE ZVALO MOEZIJA, PO ZNANJU DRUGIH ISTORIČARA MOEZIJA SE U ANTIČKO DOBA SASTOJALA OD SRBSKIH ZEMALJA, ONI TVRDE DA SU NE SAMO TRAČANI, VEĆ I PELAZGI I ILIRI BILI SRBI

    • @lukatomsic5426
      @lukatomsic5426 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hehe,dinosauri su potekli od srba,tj. Dinosauri jesu srbi,ustvari i Adam a i Herod je bio srbin,hm Cijela svjetska povijest jeste srpska povest 😂

    • @maddog6719
      @maddog6719 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lukatomsic5426 Franjo Rački "Povijest Slavena" Minhen 1870g. U POČETKU NAZIVAHU SE SVI SLAVENI DOMAĆIM IMENOM SRBI A STRANCI SPECIJALNO NIJEMCI ZVALI SU IH VENDI ILI VINDIMA. POD TIM IMENOM SRBI, ZOVU SLAVENE I GRCI I RIMLJANI JOŠ OD SEDMOG STOLJEĆA PRIJE ISUSA, KAD JE UNIŠTENA STARA RIMSKA DRŽAVA NESTADE I DOMAĆEG IMENA SRB KAO OBĆENITA SVEMU RODU, TEK SE ONO ZADRŽALO KOD POLABSKIH I JUŽNIH SRBA. SVE OVO DOKAZUJE I POKAZUJE DA SU SRBI NAJSTARIJI NAROD...

    • @maddog6719
      @maddog6719 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lukatomsic5426 Herodot 5v p.n.e SKITI, VENDI, TRIBALI I ILIRI SU TRAČANI

    • @maddog6719
      @maddog6719 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lukatomsic5426 Toma Maretić HR lingvista TRAČANI SU POGRČENI OBLIK OD RAŠANI tj SRBI. MNOGI NJEMAČKI I RUSKI POVJESNIČARI SU MIŠLJENJA DA JE HERODOT POD IMENOM TRAČANI MISLIO NA SRBE. U HERODOTOVO VRIJEME SRBI SU ŽIVJELI U MALOJ AZIJI, NA BALKANU I TRAKIJI. PRVO IME SLAVENA JE BILO SRBI

    • @maddog6719
      @maddog6719 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lukatomsic5426 Friedrich Wilhem Von Taube 1777g ONI SRBI KOJI SU STANOVALI U BRDSKOM KRAJU BOHEMIJE I MORAVSKE NAZIVANI SU HRBATI tj BRĐANI OD ČEGA JE SKOVANO IME HRVATI

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Franjo Rački POTPUNO JE JASNO DA SU TRAČANI, SKITI, VENDI, TRIBALI I ILIRI KOJE HERODOT U SVOJIM DJELIMA POMINJE SVI PO REDU BILI SRBI, I ZA VRIJEME PTOLOMEJA, TACITA, POLIBIJA VEĆINOM SE GOVORI O TRAČANIM, TRIBALIMA, DARDANCIMA, ILIRIMA KOJI SU TAKOÐE BILI SRBI, JER U TO VRIJEME IME SLAVENA NIJE BILO POZNATO

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vladimir Lamanski SRBI SU SVOJE TRAGOVE OSTAVILI U ITALIJI, ŠPANIJI, PORTUGALIJI SICILIJI I OBALAMA AFRIKE

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Strabon U ZAPADNOJ AZIJI SU ŽIVJELI SRBI I BRÐANI, SRBI SU IMALI U MALOJ AZIJI VELIKO CARSTVO ČIJI SE CAR ZVAO OBLAK, TROJANCI SU BILI SRBI

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Adolf Piket MOŽE SE SA SIGURNOŠĆU TVRDITI DA JE POSTOJAO JEDAN PRANAROD IZMEÐU INDIJE I KRAJNJE GRANICE EVROPE KOJI SE SASTOJAO OD SORABA, SERBA I RAŠANA ČIJE JE ZAJEDNIČKO IME BILO SRBI

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kohel njemački etnograf IME SRBIN JE BILO RANIJE VELIKO OBILJEŽJE ZA SVE SLAVENE

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dobrovski LUŽIČKI SRBI I SRBI SA BALKANA SU ISTI NAROD, SRB NIJE NIŠTA DRUGO NEGO SARMAT SKRAĆENO I PREOKRENUTO

    • @ivicalemesic8375
      @ivicalemesic8375 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vidi ovog ovdje nije riječ o Srbima

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Toma Maretić lingvista iz hr MNOGI NJEMAČKI I RUSKI ISTORIČARI SU MIŠLJENJA DA JE HERODOT POD IMENOM TRAČANA MISLIO NA SRBE, U HERODOTOVO VRIJEME SRBI SU ŽIVJELI U MALOJ AZIJI, NA BALKANU I TRAKIJI

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Herodot SKITI, VENDI, TRIBALI I ILIRI SU TRAČANI

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Veltman MALO-RUSI, SLAVENI, ZAPOROŠKI I DONSKI KOZACI SU SRBI

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nestor Kijevski RUSI SU PORIJEKLOM SRBI IZ ILIRIJE SA HELMA

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stanislasv Bohusz Poljski kardinal SRBI OSNOVAŠE SVOJE TREĆE CARSTVO I NAZVAŠE GA POLJSKA

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Friedrich Wilheim Von Taube 1777g. SRBI KOJI SU STANOVALI U BRDSKOM KRAJU BOHEMIJE I MORAVSKE NAZIVANI SU HRBATI tj BRÐANI OD ČEGA JE SKOVANO IME HRVAT

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Franjo Rački Povijest Slavena Minhen 1870g. U POČETKU NAZIVAHU SE SVI SLAVENI DOMAĆIM IMENOM SRBI, A STRANCI SPECIJALNO NIJEMCI ZVALI SU IH VENDIMA ILI VINDIMA, POD TIM IMENOM SRBI, ZOVU SLAVENE I GRCI I RIMLJANI JOŠ OD 7 STOLJEĆA PRIJE ISUSA, KAD JE UNIŠTENA STARA RIMSKA DRŽAVA NESTADE DOMAĆEG IMENA SRB KAO OBĆENITA SVEMU RODU, TEK SE ONO ZADRŽALO KOD POLABSKIH I JUŽNIH SRBA, SVE OVO DOKAZUJE I POKAZUJE DA SU SRBI NAJSTARIJI NAROD

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Franacki istoričar Ajnhard 817g. SORABOS QUAE NATIO MAGNAM DALMATIAE PARTEM OBTINERE DICITUR= NAROD SRBA KOJI DRŽI VELIKI DIO DALMACIJE

  • @maddog6719
    @maddog6719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Njemački lingvisti i istoričari kamajer, Depen, Gajze, Ilig i Toper su dokazali da je Porfirogenov spis falsifikat za potrebe katoličke crkve

  • @dejannikolic2454
    @dejannikolic2454 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Manjkaju ti dokazi naravno,kada učiš samo ono što ti je servirano.Pomuči se naučniče,istraži,pomakni zadnjicu iz udobne fotelje.Ove lažne priče već davno ispričane,ništa novo.

  • @milosjovicevic6083
    @milosjovicevic6083 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hehe što ne spomene "Franacke Anale sa početka 800.ih gde ne spominju nikakve Hrvate već samo Srbe na teritoriji današnje Hrvatske 😆

    • @ML-zg9im
      @ML-zg9im 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Zašto bi spomenuo Franačke Anale koji pišu o stvarima rekla- kazala ( Sorabi, narod za koji kažu da drže veći dio ... Mislilo se na Rimsku provinciju Dalmaciju koja seže do današnje Srbije.) kad imamo osobu koja je bila 800tih u Dalmaciji. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottschalk_of_Orbais i pisao o tome u djelu 'De Trina deitate'. Također postoje materijalni ostaci iz tog doba - evo neki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branimir_inscription en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fragment_grede_s_natpisom_kneza_Trpimira_9_st.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muncimir_of_Croatia#/media/File:Povelja_kneza_Muncimira.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branimir_of_Croatia#/media/File:Branimir.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branimir_of_Croatia "Today, there are 6 known epigraphic inscriptions, mostly altar beams from old Croatian churches (from Muć, Nin, Ždrapanj, Šopot, Otres once located between Bribir and Ostrovica,[16] and Lepuri), that bear the name of Duke Branimir.[17] The presumable seventh is still not confirmed.[7] In them Branimir is titled as "Dux Croatorum", "Commes Dux Cruatorum/Crvatorum", "Dux/Ducem Slcavorum/Clavitorum", and Dominus.[2][6][7] The one from Muć has earliest carved year (888) of any Croatian medieval epigraphic inscription.[2] The one from Šopot has earliest carved ethnonym Hrvat (Cruat-/Crvat-) in the form which is still pronounced today,[2] which is also earliest record of a national name in the Balkans."

  • @numenoreaneternity6682
    @numenoreaneternity6682 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Firstly, there are no Eastern Roman historians attributing the ease of Slavic settlement to Justinian's plague - which was spread all over Europe (despite its popular name and the worst scenario occurring in densely populated Constantinople) and almost certainly affected Slavs. Further on, based on all archaeological findings of both the Antes and the Sclavenes, we know for a fact that equipment was standardized in the sense that every excavated grave of a Slavic warrior features chainmail and sword (fashioned in East Roman style), an ax, round wooden shield, and a long spear. Some Slavic warriors were wearing belts with buckles adorned with Avar motifs, but they were most likely spoils of war or items of trade. The only group of Slavs that have fought without armor was warbands of young warriors who've fought entirely naked (barring the red paint on their body, hair, and face) and in melee (the ones that were described as being red-haired by Procopius), and some groups of Pannonian Wends who were tributaries of the Pannonian Avars, and relying on ambushes was a part of defensive strategies, and only against hosts that were too numerous and too well-armed, like the Avar army of 60K that assailed Sclavene territories after Daurentius slew Bayan's envoys and refused to pay tribute to him. Aside from that, both the Antes and the Sclavenes have utilized large and small breeds of horses for warfare, and matter of fact, an entire host of Antean and Sclavene horsemen was dispatched to evacuate Belisarius from Italy, which proves the aforementioned. Secondly, the Avars have only managed to subjugate the more passive parts of the Dudlebes, as well as parts of the Wends - certainly not the Antes and the Sclavenes, who were noted to have lived only under the reign of their own kings like Muzok and Mezamir (Antes) and chieftains like Radagast and Daurentius, of whom the latter was described as being the supreme chief of all Sclavenes. Procopius' early assessment of Slavic social structure was just that - an early assessment based off of early sightings of Slavic warbands that were initially considered to have been "small tribes governed by "military democracy". As interaction with Slavs intensified, he realized that the Slavs did exhibit an organized social structure, albeit admittedly, the Antes were the most centralized body of the Early Slavs, with a hereditary monarchy where one king reigned over all of the Antes, while among the Sclavenes, you've had one known supreme chieftain like the aforementioned Daurentius to whom other chieftains were subordinate, there was also a mention of Sclavene kings, like Perbundos, who led a coalition of Sclavene tribes deep into Greece. Likewise, the Avars were first invited to make a move against the Slavs by the Roman emperor Tiberius, and later on, Emperor Heraclius would invite Serbs and Croats from the distant Slavic northwest to liberate the northern provinces of the Avars and have them settle all those provinces as his vassals which he'd ennoble, which refutes any theory of the Sclavenes and Antes arriving to Southeastern Europe off of the back of the Avars. After all, the earliest Slavic raids deep into the Roman territory were accompanied by the enslavement of an estimated quarter of a million Romans in every province struck by the Slavs and the sacking and besieging of Roman cities, which were recorded as early as the first part of the 6th century - decades before the Avars were contacted by Emperor Tiberius, and before they reached the most distant part of the basin of the Danube. On top of that, the invading Sclavenes have also slain Asbadus/Asbados - the famed Roman/Gepid general, and have also annihilated his elite army, a feat which would've been impossible if the Slavs "only fought from afar", or worse, if they've "made no use of pitched organized warfare". The usage of poison arrows and guerrilla warfare was deployed only in defensive wars against a martially superior enemy - like against the combined Roman-Avar army during Maurice's campaign which was launched deep into Sclavene territories north of the Danube. In the work of Menander Protector, we find the following excerpt: "This movement of Avars against the Slavs did not only result from Emperor's envoys and the wish of Bayan to return the courtesy unto Romans for all the gestures of friendship and help that he had received from the Emperor but also because he held great hate for them (the Slavs) out of personal sentiment as well. The Avar leader has, therefore, sent envoys to Daurentius (Δαυρίτας) himself, and to his chieftains, calling on for their submission and enlistment among tribute-payers. Dauritas and the leaders alongside him replied: "Who is, then, the man who basks in sunlight that threatens to conquer our strength? We are used to ruling over others, not to being ruled over - of that, we are certain for as long as wars are waged and swords are forged". Since the Slavs acted so haughtily, the Avars were no different in boasting. Then the scolds and insults resulted from that, being that the barbarians are of a narrow and proud mind, and the fight broke out. The Slavs, unable to control their anger, killed the envoys, as Bayan found out from another source. Because of that Bayan has long since raised accusations against the Slavs, fueling a secret hatred against them, mad for they refused him, and angry that from them he received an unforgivable insult, in the same time he thought he would do a favor to Caesar and likewise *find a rich land to plunder, for far too long has the land of Romans been plundered by Slavs, and theirs (Slavic) - never by any of other peoples*." Thirdly, the Early Slavs seized and inhabited a massive territory that spanned from the east of Germany to the Baltic and the very distant fringes of Eastern Europe. Matter of fact, the bulk of the Sclavenes have lived on the northern shores of the Danube and were bribed by Roman authorities into maintaining that status quo, at least temporarily. Also, Slavs weren't "monotheistic", they were henotheistic. Even though Perun was their chief god, they also recognized the existence of other gods as well, hence why the Sclavenes and the Antes worshipped Perun and Veles - which also reflected their lifestyles, which were very warlike and militarized and subsided on animal husbandry, fishing, hunting, gathering and the practice of a form of agriculture that required the burning of the soil, so they weren't nomadic, but certainly not entirely sedentary either. It's also important to note that Procopius also states that the Sclavenes and the Antes shared the same customs, beliefs, and institutions. The same goes for the Wends, which is also supported by the homogeneity of early Slavic aDNA, YDNA, and language, although material culture was far more varied (depending on which culture they defeated and assimilated). Fourthly, the role of the Avars in all of this is overemphasized, and for the following reasons: a) As mentioned before, they were invited by the Romans to defeat and subdue unruly peoples on the Danube, like the Antes (who were Roman allies in the past as well), and during the next century or so will be the foremost "allies" of the Romans against the Slavs, up until Heraclius invites the Serbs and Croats (Sclavene tribes) to defeat and annihilate them south of the Danube. b) While it's true that the Avar hosts were initially the largest, they were in time overshadowed by the Sclavene hosts, which have, after realizing that the Roman authority on the Danube is no more, begun launching massive invasions that were also preludes to the permanent settling of the lands they've seized and initiated the assimilation of the peoples they've defeated and colonized. c) Western historians tend to make the mistake of not distinguishing the Slavs, even though primary sources from that era have noted that the Early Slavs were divided into three groups: the Wends, the Sclavenes, and the Antes, which brings us to the point of the "100 000 Slavs" that were part of the Avar host - most of them were Pannonian Wend tributaries of the Avars, while the rest were Sclavene allies who, thanks to their arrangement with the Avars, were exempt from abiding by Avar-Roman peace treaties, and would continue raiding and marauding as they pleased, which brought great displeasure to Bayan senior and junior, and the Roman emperors as well. d) Slavs would've invaded and permanently settled the lands south of the Danube one way or the other, the involvement of the Avars has only somewhat hastened of process, and by subsequently making sure that the Sclavene tribes would form the overwhelming bulk of those who'd settle and seize the territories in question by waging exhaustive wars with the Antes. At most, the Avars were a strictly Pannonian phenomenon and were never masters of the "Balkans", which is also supported by archaeology and modern genetic studies, and given that you've made a mention of primary Roman/Greek sources, you should also know that there's not a single one of them that claims that the Slavs were migrating with the Avars, but that they were invading Southeastern Europe at the same time. You could potentially make that point for the aforementioned Pannonian Wends, but not for the bulk of the invading Slavs - who were Sclavenes and Antes. e) Sclavenes have besieged Thessalonica five times (in 586 or 597, 604, 615, 617, and 676), and only in two of those sieges were the Slavs assisted by the Avars. Furthermore, the Croats are Slavs too, "professor".

    • @tazika2988
      @tazika2988 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @numenoreaneternity Nebih ovom napornom tekstu koji napada čitaoca rafalima "informacija" sumnjivih izvora pomiješanih s poznatim falsifikatima davala ikakvo povjerenje, a šteta i vremena potrošenog na čitanje. Savjet: manite se tog autora i škole mišljenja kojoj pripada, a ako ste autor vi: manite se historije. No hard feelings.

    • @numenoreaneternity6682
      @numenoreaneternity6682 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tazika2988 Primarni izvori: Strategikon of Maurice, The History of Theophylact Simocatta (translated by Michael and Mary Whitby), Procopius' Books 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, The Secret History of Procopius, Menander Protector - the Principal Fragments, Chronicle of Theophanes the Confessor, Chronicon Paschale, John of Ephesus' Ecclesiastical History Book/Part III. Sekundarni izvori: De Administrando Imperio, and Regnum Slavorum - Mauro Orbini. Moderna historiografija: A History of Christianity in the Balkans - M. Spinka Byzantium and Bulgaria - Robert Browning Byzantium and the Slavs - Dimitry Obolensky Medieval Slavic Lives of Saints and Princes - Marvin Kantor The Bulgarians - David Marshall Lang The Byzantine Commonwealth - Dimitry Obolensky The Serbs - Sima M. Cirkovic The Role of Slavs in the Byzantine Empire - Graebner Michael David The Strategikon as a Source - Łukasz Różycki The Turks in Europe, and the Serbs in Asia Minor - Nicholas Oikonomides Why Were the Sclavenes Never Roman Allies - Amy Wood. The Bogomils - Dimitry Obolensky Forging Unity. The South Slavs between East and West, 550-1150 by Tibor Živković History of Serbia - Leopold Ranke Frederick Hamilton Jackson - The Shores of the Adriatic, the Austrian Side: The Küstenlande, Istria, and Dalmatia Dvornik, Byzantine Mission Among the Slavs Dvornik, the Making of Central and Eastern Europe Dvornik, the Slavs, their Early History and Culture Jakov Bacic, Slav: The Origin and Meaning of the Ethnonym and The Emerge of the Sklabenoi (Slavs), Their Arrival on the Balkan Peninsula, and the Role of the Avars in These Events: Revised Concepts in a New Perspective. Ovdje nema "sumnjivih izvora, a pogotovo ne "falsifikata". Zvucis kao polupismeni idiot koji neironicno citira Budaka, Nadu Klaic, Florina Kurtu i Waltera Pohla. Trebali bi da znate da se "ne bih" pise odvojeno.

  • @numenoreaneternity6682
    @numenoreaneternity6682 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The tendency of assigning non-Slavic origin to several elements in South Slavic culture of “undetermined” origin has become a normalized form of revisionism in both Western and native academia. In particular, the Stecak tombstone is the most gripped by this phenomenon and is presumed to be of “Vlach origin” by some historians, but that is refuted by the following: 1. Within the historical context of Montenegro, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the "Vlachs" are just a socioeconomic (Dusan’s Law), not an economic group, and as a matter of fact, all "Vlachs" in the aforementioned part of the world bore Slavic names, spoke Slavic languages and followed naming traditions that are strictly South Slavic, which is nonexistent among proper, modern Latinitate Vlachs of Macedonia, Greece, and Albania. 2. The names found beneath the Stecak tombstones are the following: Dražeta, Husan, Borko, Bakulina, Hval, Nespin, Vukava, Pribil, Hlapac, Borna, Hrapoje, Krač, Bakula, Ninoslav, Boljerad, Sandalj, Milac, Kulduk, Stanac, Sipara, Ljuban, Dragota, Sarmorad, Grubača, Bogčin, Radača, Čeprnja, Dobrogost, Jelena, Grgur, Kukleč, Prehten, Ljubljen, Hlepac, Klut, Dinko, Semrod, Vitača, Miltoš, Linil, Hotjan, Hotjen, Borjen, Senko, Ostoja, Bjeljak, Stjepan, Gorčin, Tolmik, Vlk, Bokčilo, Rastudije, Veseoko, Gošt, Nenac, Muven, Vikosava, Hlap, Dabliživ, Trtiša, Pribislav, Sanko, Godin, Klač, Obodan, Ozrko, Ivaniš, Sulduk, Mišljen, Korija, Badača, Dabiša, Krkša, Kalija, Didodrag, Gojak, Vlatko, Hrabren, Anka, Kosara, Toloje, Prijezda, Asta, Bogčin, Radin, Prehten, Tvrtko, Dabiživ, Miroslav, Katarina, Vukoslav, Vladislav, Tomaš, Kulin, Matej. None of these names are either of Romance/Vlach origin, but Slavic. 3. They’re not the oldest historical monuments of Southeastern Europe, they date back only to the High Middle Ages, appear only in South Slavic history, are endemic to South Slavs, and are nonexistent in the histories and traditions of the indigenous Paleo-Balkanite populations. Further on, all of the writings found on these tombstones are written in the Cyrillic and Bosancica scripts, and all of the symbolism and motifs are in near entirety Slavic, regardless of whether the overall themes are Catholic, Orthodox, Bogomil, or Pagan. 4. The theses that claim that the Stecak tombstones are of non-Slavic, Vlach origin will inevitably be based on the belief that if something is made of stone, then it can’t be of Slavic making, which is, aside from being grossly ignorant, also contradictory to the historical and architectural realities of the South Slavic ethos. South Slavs have utilized stone as their staple architectural resource during most of their recorded history, due to the extensive and apparent adoption of Imperial (East) Roman culture. Furthermore, the Vlachs were nomadic or semi-nomadic populations, who primarily used animal hides and wood to build their tents and other forms of portable homes, not stone, and before the Ottoman Empire’s tenure, formed a mere 2% of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s population. 5. Western historians like Fine, Menzel, and Malcolm would, with tendentious bluntness, interpret the migrations of Orthodox Slavs towards Bosnia, Herzegovina, Hungary, and the dominions of the Hapsburg as that of Latin-speakers, and solely based on them being referred to as “Vlachs”, while ignoring that by the time of Dusan’s reign, the term “Vlach” was used as an exonym to describe all pastoral, Orthodox, Slavic populations, and in the case of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Hapsburg territories, Hungary and Herzegovina, those were primarily Serbs. All of this is further corroborated by genetic studies, which have revealed that Yugoslavs are still primarily Slavic in terms of Y-DNA and aDNA (The modeled ancestral genetic component of Balto-Slavs among South Slavs was between 55-70%). Furthermore, in 2019 and 2021 studies of late medieval stećak archaeological necropolises Kopošići near Ilijaš and Divičani near Jajce, six samples belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup I2a1b-Din and one to R1a-Z92 (Dzehverovic et al. 2021), therefore confirming the Slavic origin of the men buried beneath the said tombstones, not to mention that according to the Zicki Inscriptions, the Vlachs, even upon their arrival to Medieval Serbia, had utilized entirely Slavic titles, and boasted Slavic names in their near-entirety. There are no direct sources that support a mass migration or colonization of South Slavic lands by the Vlachs”, as per the work of Illona Czamanska and Aleksa Djilas, even the word “Stecak” is a contracted form of the older word stojećak, which is derived from the South Slavic verb stajati (Engl. stand). It means the "tall, standing thing. It's a South Slavic monument, nothing "mystical" about that.