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Subscribed. Very cool! Looking forward to checking out your work in detail and thank you for the comment! I agree with everything you laid out :). Though I think a lot of what makes Steve sound more 'chesty' than he actually is is the way he talks, check out my "Steve Perry 2" vid, I do a more holistic demo and talk about how singers communicate in speech to make their singing voice sound more chesty than it is :)

DEWWD I think you're bang-on, I was trying this out in the car and you're onto something- it really opens up the Pharynx and gives a bigger sound. But it's tricky to stay nasal with a high soft palette since it starts to close up the flow of air into the nose-- gonna experiment with this! Thank you for the comment

Lift soft pallet and move sound back and up....very different from talk singing like a lot of rock singers do

thank you SM!

@@DimitriosKMusic thank you Dimitrios! So many myths to dispel lol

What a smart question, @baritone777 ! thank you for asking it. Indeed, in this video I'm using the term 'belting' here because normal people are familiar with it- and 'pure belt' as '100% chest voice'- but really a 'belt' often refers to a 'chest-dominant mix', and that can indeed extend beyond A440 by a few notes.🎶 Yes, any professional-sounding singing is indeed a 'mix' of some kind, though many of my favorite singers will throw a couple words or a phrase out in pure chest voice for dramatic effect- Rob Halford is the king of this-- But a smooth operator like Steve Perry, or Barry Gib, wouldn't be caught dead doing that! So to your question of Steve Perry's overall vocal configuration vs. Barry Gibbs, a few things jump out. Yes, Steve Perry uses a little more chest voice - but less than it sounds- maybe just 5-10% more Thyro-Arytenoid (Chest voice) on average. Steve Perry uses a little bit more vocal compression, though both singers are fairly decompressed by rock standards. Indeed Barry is VERY heady. And while both singers use some degree of breath distortion, Steve Perry uses a lot more, and uses EQ techniques to bring out those breathy frequencies even more. Hope this helps! And if you'd like to work on something in greater detail please let me know here or at ian@allvoicemedia.com 🎤

@@vo1cehead Cool. That distinction between chest mix and head mix sounds in line with what I've heard other voice teachers say. By the way, I wound up reading your website testimonial about finding a voice teacher who will teach you something other than classical and musical theater--boy do I understand that journey! Full disclosure: I'm a singing teacher, and your videos have sparked a lively conversation among me and my colleagues! Especially the term "breath distortion" has us scratching our heads. Can you make a video to explain what you mean by that? You say Steve Perry uses a little more chest register--which I take to mean a chest-dominant mix. In your demonstration in this video, are you putting that forth as an example of a chest-dominant sound? To my ears, it sounds more head than chest...hence by question about Barry Gibb. :)

@@baritone777always love a good debate! Yes here’s the main different types of distortion in my understanding: 1) false vocal fold distortion (kinda sounds like a broken speaker, or like cookie monster. Popular in Death Metal 2) vocal fry - think steven tyler, rod stewart 3) breath distortion aka ‘breathiness’. Lettin some air escape beside the vocal folds. Also implies that this is combined with a little compression as well. Steve Perry, Rod Stewart (with vocal ‘fry’) 4) aryoepiglottic distorion: this basically kicks in when you’re singing with full twang, some call it ‘rasp’ but to me thats a general term 5) uvular distortion: putting the uvula in the way.. I think like Tina Turner does this, Brian Johnson a little bit. Ertha kitt doing her thing is this + vocal fry I THINK rhat covers it :) Maybe add ‘ 5) knurdling’ or doing the kirmet the frog voice (otis redding) 6) any and all combinations of these Yes, Steve Perry and Gibbs are both without question “head-dominant mix”- so is it like an 80/20 or like a 85/15 split? That would be where I’d say the debate belongs

I’m not doing a demonstration here, I’m doing a description. I sing in an AC/DC tribute band. And I take pride in singing Bon songs like Bon and Brian songs like Brian. I understand if tribute bands aren’t your thing, but then why’d you click the link? We are evolved to imitate wild animals and birds, and indeed, each other. Yes we are all individuals and special and unique and should celebrate that, and we should always be ready to pick up a tip or trick from the people that inspire us. If you really want to light me up check out Steve Perry Pt 2, I do a demonstration of my technique there singing a verse and a chorus, not just half a line. And I did not ask Steve Perry personally for advice though I’m open to that if you know someone who knows him, but he’s famously reclusive. Thank you for the engagement :)

@@vo1cehead Your information is not accurate which can be harmful. Please take Ms. Lovetri's advice. She knows what she's talking about!

@@pmacca01whats not accurate and what could be harmful? Be specific. Lower larynx than normal for rock, (actually safer), breath distortion, moving head resonance (not at all unsafe), nasal (safer than not singing with nasality) If any of this is wrong please let me know and be specific. If you dont like the sounds I’m making aesthetically thats ok but this is about isolating technique. If you want to criticise a more finished product check out Steve Perry pt 2 on this channel where I’m putting the techniques together holistically

@@3-piece129 I'm not surprised. though don't be shocked if you have creative differences with Neal. I hear he doesnt know when to stop wrinsing and repeating

Thank you!

Thank you for the comment! You’re gonna make me make a video on how “voice-type” is an archaic myth that no longer applies to mic’ed singing though aren’t you…

@@ricksmusicnampaid7641 alright you’re gonna make me do a video on how voice type is a myth and has no reality in a microphone world Thank you for the engagement

I’ll look into it- yea “Belle Canto” is a term that’s not too far off- Steven Tyler’s given shoutouts to that technique, or system of training

Lol I’m describing exercises not doing a demonstration. You’ll have to ask Seth for that. My voice aside, what could you possibly argue with low R+B larynx / head resonance / breath distortion?

@ Well, first, you need to explain what “breath distortion” is to me. Do you mean breathy tone? I’m thinking you’re talking about the breathiness that you are demonstrating, is that correct?

@@vo1cehead I think Seth McFarlane is incredible!! He def knows how to use his voice to the max!! Ok, just so we’re in the same page here, do you hear Steve Perry’s voice as bright or dark?

@@shaunnashandro So the simple answer is "Bright" because he's very nasal and resonant (though not very twangy),yet he sounds "Dark" because of #1) The lower larynx, #2) Breath distortion (Breathiness) and #3) He keeps distance from the mic and often sings off-center of the capsule

its awesome- what are your favorite mics to emulate? I'm a sucker for the ribbon mics even if the style of singing I do doesn't call for it too often

of course! 🙂

thank you Yuri! Yes, had to keep the mantra "all engagement is good engagement" at heart :). Much appreciated

Indeed- I’d argue a lot of the intangibles are the way he moves his head resonance from front to back throughout a phrase

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not 100% sure how this fits in but I LOVE your energy! And your names cool too 😎

hope you find the information useful. I ought to do a proper demonstration, rather than just an explanation, soon.

Its a basically impossible challenge

Or, this teacher does not know how this work is actually done. His speaking voice is similar to mine and at sixty, I can sign Perry. I sign it like a sixty year old but you get my point. He is not even approaching the technique

Hi. Do you have a video where you demonstrate this and / or teach it? I’ll check it out. This is for people who don’t naturally sing like Steve Perry. My thesis is we can all approach learning to sing like each other with more or less success and it benefits us as singers to try. Finding your own voice has value, learning from others with a distinctive voice also has value. Breathiness plus nasal resonance, no?

True- all great performers of a similar style. they are a little less compressed with guitar-in-hand than Axl without one though

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ahahah no sweat- I applaud your understanding izzy! So the dead giveaway for 'sounding like kermit the frog' is that you're doing something that most professional singing teachers call 'knurdling' which is the German word for 'dumpling'-- like you have a dumpling in your throat. It's pretty funny. The secret to avoiding this is to relax the back of your tongue. I personally have a very long tongue so I find if I'm knurdling the quickest fix is to actually extend my tongue further outside of my mouth- you'll see rockers doing this quite frequently. Please let me know if this helps and if you'd like to talk on zoom feel free to shoot me an email at ian@allvoicemedia.com!

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Hahah yea kind of- blown speaker is more false chords, rusty hinge is more vocal fry

I like it!

My 2nd SG- had a Special, but it was special not in the good way :) Saw this standard lightly used at GC and it was love at first sight- I’m obsessed with the wammy bar thing even though it throws it out of tune-worse than even the regular SG

@@vo1cehead I actually had the regular SG

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@@vo1cehead big vh fan here

@@LanceBlunt just the Dave years or Sammy years too?

@@vo1cehead Huge Dave Fan. Respect for Sammy

@@LanceBlunt yea- I mean, took on an impossible task and did as well as anyone could have hoped!

he was a huge opera fan and was heavily influenced by opera, despite no formal training. Biggest album's called A Night At The Opera and he famously collaborated with Montserrat Caballé- was kind of obsessed with her

To hear Freddie’s “natural” voice - see the YT recording of Ibex. Ouch! 🤣🤣🤣 Very piercing and pitchy. Brian said that when Freddie first heard his own voice on tape (they were making the De Lane Lea demos), he was horrified and worked unbelievably hard teaching himself to sing. Later the Jazz tour 1979 was marred by vocal issues. Probably this is the time when Freddie took lessons from Benvenuto Finelli, a bel canto tenor and teacher. His voice certainly changes about then. He stopped when he thought it had started to negatively impact the rock n roll quality of his voice. However the period 1979 to 1982 is peak live Freddie voice-wise. You can hear the benefit of the vocal training.

Wow- thank you for this added context Felix- very impressive!! Yes rock vocals on their own are often kind of unpleasant without guitars and drums to fill out and “justify” the tone if you will

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Glad you enjoyed it!

Lol was that DLR’s studio secret, a cavernous bathroom? Sounds about right

Lol thank YOU Aqua!

Thank you Lego!! Me too!

Thank you David!!

Hahaha indeed 🎹🎸

Good choice- mellow intro

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Thank you G!!

Lol there were like 20 of em but i think I know which one you’re talkin about :)

Lol great idea!

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Hey Aristocat, want to let you know my second music vid’s out, hope you like it! m.th-cam.com/video/ASpVuwSUknE/w-d-xo.html

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