Wood, Sweat and Tears
Wood, Sweat and Tears
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Predator 670cc engine mount - Bonus Widow Maker Coverage!
มุมมอง 3.4K2 ปีที่แล้ว
We mount the Predator 670cc on the log splitter. Also, talk about vibration dampening. Bonus Widow Maker Coverage! Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Log Splitter Build - Hydraulic Tank Install
มุมมอง 4.3K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Fab up a bracket to hang the vertical mounted hydraulic tank. Also make a slight modification to the sorting table. Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Log Splitter Build - Log Stop, Dump Valve and Pushplate to Wedge Distance
มุมมอง 7K2 ปีที่แล้ว
I knock out the log stop and we discuss dump valves and pushplate from wedge distance. Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Log Splitter Build - Cylinder and Log Lift Prep Work
มุมมอง 8K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Do the prep work for cylinder placement and start the stantions for the log lift table. Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Log Splitter Build - The Components We're Using
มุมมอง 17K2 ปีที่แล้ว
We go over the components we will be using for this build. Here is the gas siphon hose I used in this video. Available on Amazon www.amazon.com/Siphon-Original-Safety-Grade-Valve/dp/B01N5MTGQS/ref=asc_df_B01N5MTGQS/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312142020868&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15274440212542445416&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9017124&hvtargid=pla-524056062...
Why am I building my own log splitter??
มุมมอง 7K2 ปีที่แล้ว
I talk for 12 hours on why it is important to look both ways before you cross the street, oh, and why I have to build a splitter. Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
WST goes ICE 🧊 FISHING 🎣
มุมมอง 3992 ปีที่แล้ว
Trey and I put the wood duties away for the day and get out on the ice for some fishing. Trey produced this video. I think he did a fine job. Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Bucking Ash and Cutting Chaps - Let's see what happens?
มุมมอง 1.1K2 ปีที่แล้ว
This day started out just peachy.... bucked some ash and did a demonstration on cutting into some chainsaw chaps. Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Getting Firewood Under Cover and Pearl Harbor
มุมมอง 1.4K2 ปีที่แล้ว
There is an opening in the woodshed and WST decides to wood undercover as soon as possible. Plus, a close up on the wood cart used to feed the boiler. What’s this Pearl Harbor thing all about? Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Making firewood at night.... felling oak - A surprise package arrived
มุมมอง 6342 ปีที่แล้ว
The boys and I needed something to do, so, why not cut a tree down at night? That's safe, right? An unexpected box arrives. Let's open it on camera! Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Saving a Neighbor $1,000 and WST After Dark....
มุมมอง 1.3K2 ปีที่แล้ว
We save a neighbor $1,000 on a tricky tree cleanup and WST delves into the world of after dark........ Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
Bucking Ash Logs - Prioritizing My Firewood Work
มุมมอง 1.8K2 ปีที่แล้ว
I take a little trip to the river to show the view, discuss a problem, clean up some ash logs and rant about my organization. That's it. Created by InShot:inshotapp.page.link/YTShare
1000 subscriber giveaway results
มุมมอง 4642 ปีที่แล้ว
1000 subscriber giveaway results
Bucking firewood w/ 254XP Ported Saw - 1K SUBSCRIBER GIVEAWAY
มุมมอง 1.1K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Bucking firewood w/ 254XP Ported Saw - 1K SUBSCRIBER GIVEAWAY
Red Oak Down!!! - When dead standing, is done standing
มุมมอง 1.1K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Red Oak Down!!! - When dead standing, is done standing
Firewood can be a community service
มุมมอง 2.2K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Firewood can be a community service
Tree cleanup and Storm damage prevention - Felling Oak and Bucking Ash
มุมมอง 1.4K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Tree cleanup and Storm damage prevention - Felling Oak and Bucking Ash
What do you do when the woodyard is closed? Channel teaser
มุมมอง 5272 ปีที่แล้ว
What do you do when the woodyard is closed? Channel teaser
Bench Talk - How to fix a recoil - Viewer submission
มุมมอง 3062 ปีที่แล้ว
Bench Talk - How to fix a recoil - Viewer submission
Splitting Wood and Learning - First Wood Boiler Clean Out of the Season
มุมมอง 1.5K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Splitting Wood and Learning - First Wood Boiler Clean Out of the Season
Why do I have 9 snowblowers?
มุมมอง 3832 ปีที่แล้ว
Why do I have 9 snowblowers?
Nice Wood Score - Mrs. Tears Premiers - Thanksgiving Edition
มุมมอง 1.7K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Nice Wood Score - Mrs. Tears Premiers - Thanksgiving Edition
Splitting Campfire Wood - A much needed upgrade for the tractor
มุมมอง 1.6K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Splitting Campfire Wood - A much needed upgrade for the tractor
A very special unboxing - Matthews Firewood featured
มุมมอง 3762 ปีที่แล้ว
A very special unboxing - Matthews Firewood featured
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #4 Finale!! What has been accomplished? Let's play a word game!
มุมมอง 1.1K2 ปีที่แล้ว
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #4 Finale!! What has been accomplished? Let's play a word game!
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #3 My technique for processing large rounds by hand.
มุมมอง 1.5K2 ปีที่แล้ว
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #3 My technique for processing large rounds by hand.
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #2 Making 42" Maple rounds smaller - WST attempts to count........
มุมมอง 1.3K2 ปีที่แล้ว
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #2 Making 42" Maple rounds smaller - WST attempts to count........
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #1 Splitting, Noodling and WST gets mugged!!!!
มุมมอง 2K2 ปีที่แล้ว
4 Days in the Woodyard - Day #1 Splitting, Noodling and WST gets mugged!!!!
Splitting Maple Firewood - What other things can you do with wood?
มุมมอง 2.6K2 ปีที่แล้ว
Splitting Maple Firewood - What other things can you do with wood?

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  • @steely1neverwane
    @steely1neverwane หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job mate, it was really informative. Were there 4th generation Huskies then?

  • @danoelfke93
    @danoelfke93 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stihl made 05#s & 07#s

  • @danoelfke93
    @danoelfke93 หลายเดือนก่อน

    motorsage is actually German for power saw - no chain in that (kette)

  • @roblovis1390
    @roblovis1390 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bigshot and a lewis winch

  • @PhillipDrumz
    @PhillipDrumz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does 40:1 have any negative effects? I assume better oiling of the motor?

  • @PhillipDrumz
    @PhillipDrumz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like this can

  • @PhillipDrumz
    @PhillipDrumz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Thanks so much man!

  • @TheMercedeslvr
    @TheMercedeslvr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Make sure you’re running the tractor at 540 RPM’s and the rear of the cutter needs to be higher than the front to allow for discharge. Great video for a beginner.

  • @legathm
    @legathm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice and informative video just one little mistake I noticed. The MS 180 is not a professional saw, the smallest Pro-saw is the MS 201. And you forgot the letter W, which stands for heated handles or my favorite MS261CM-VW VW means heated handles and heated carb. Greetings from Austria

  • @averythomas6135
    @averythomas6135 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That 372 chain is full as can be!

  • @charlesharris562
    @charlesharris562 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you tell me why somebody would want to use this set up instead of a zero turn lawnmower on a piece of land like you're cutting? I just had a Kabota tractor with this brush hog passed down to me. I have a lot of grass to cut. The Kabota came with the backhoe the rotor tiller the brush hog mower deck and the box grader. I haven't tried anything on my yard yet but I'm considering trading this set up in for a nice 72 inch zero turn lawnmower. Can you offer any advice?

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very good question. I have a commercial 72” Grasshopper mower to cut 2 acres. As good as this mower is, it won’t cut what I’ve shown in this video. The grass is too thick and heavy, especially when wet. That being said, if you just have average grass (lawn) then a 72” commercial grade mower would be better than a brush hog/rotary mower. Do NOT use a those for regular lawn; it’s not the same. That is a very nice package that was handed down to you. You’ll have to decide based on the info I gave you what is the best set up for your land. WST

  • @MitzvosGolem1
    @MitzvosGolem1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent 👍

  • @johnsellers9623
    @johnsellers9623 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate your need for perfection, but in all honesty, cutting the tubing at 45 degree angles is not only extra work but it’s also overkill. Welding the tubing on top of the other pieces will hold anything that you put on the lift table. Also using the mig welder will hold it just fine, especially if you’re going to bevel for the extra penetration. I’m not criticizing at all. I’ve been welding my whole life. Just retired two years ago. You do very nice work. Just trying to save you or your viewers some time and without losing any safety or strength issues. I enjoyed watching your work. Thank you for sharing and explaining what you are doing. ✌️👍🇺🇸

  • @lanedexter6303
    @lanedexter6303 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done basic video👍 Yeah, the model numbers get close to displacement but not exact. My 385XP is actually 84.7cc.

  • @chadfike7445
    @chadfike7445 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there an updated video of the build?

  • @DownEastSaw
    @DownEastSaw 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Special can also denote a higher performance version. For example, the 365 special is a professional saw with a closed port cylinder for more power versus the 365.

    • @82f100swb
      @82f100swb 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not all Specials are closed port. The closed port cylinder was entirely an EPA thing. It appeared before the designation change, however, for markets outside North America, the open port cylinder hung around until 08, and the last holdout was the Russian market.

  • @miguelavendano2530
    @miguelavendano2530 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic review! Thank you for sharing. It gave answers to all my questions.

  • @michaelhall7921
    @michaelhall7921 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry I didn';t say the Jonsered model is 16" = 2040.

  • @michaelhall7921
    @michaelhall7921 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi whatdya say there buddy I'm an engineer in the UK and have a question that hard to get an answer to! My pal a prof welder has asked me to relace the broken drive gear that is bronze welded to the clutch drum. I see this Jonsered 16" saw is part of the Husqvarna group. It has a 3/8 pitch -7 teeth sprocket. I measured the ID of the drum which is 63.8mm. I have not been able to get any suppliers to confirm what their inside diameters of the drums are. It seems inputting Jonsered into the net to get anywhere but Husqvarna 36 and 41 has the same data re pitch and 7 teeth but no diameter is stated. All the Chinese supplyers say make sure you check that the ordered item is correct & yet they do not seen to have a measure of more accurately a vernier!!! OMG /Jesus wept. Please can you say if the drum for the saw I state Husq is 63.8mm ID?

  • @michaeln4018
    @michaeln4018 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you ever thought of getting a battery powered leaf blower to clean out some of that ash?

  • @vanhaus5022
    @vanhaus5022 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That saw runs liked a raped ape….

  • @vanhaus5022
    @vanhaus5022 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done, you know your stuff

  • @tompace6916
    @tompace6916 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's technically a stove. Boilers are pressurized. This stove operates under atmospheric pressure. Are you pleased with your reaction chamber percentages?

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It boils water. Reaction Chamber % are good. I’m left scooping very little fly ash every 4-6 weeks.

  • @luvdogsandhorses
    @luvdogsandhorses 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Burn less wood BUT MORE PREP DRY STORAGE MUCH MORE MAINTENANCE EXPENSIVE CONTROLLER WHAT IS YOUR TIME WORTH ?

  • @recentlyretired
    @recentlyretired 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They actually have a burner you can add to the boiler that run on propane for a backup, definitely a great option for a backup plan.

  • @VicsYard
    @VicsYard 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like keeping that sweat going. Good for the soul. Lol 😂 👍🏼

  • @richardgordon4673
    @richardgordon4673 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, like alot of crap you buy it hasn't been fully thought through and we suffer by learning "the hard way". So much creosote in the gasification boilers. This tells me you have incomplete combustion. Same as a car with dirty exhaust, like in the 80's. I had exactly the same issue in my 2019 old school non-gasification Heatmor cx450. Since i got it i have cursed Heatmor over the POS and the nightmare cleaning is/was. I had to clean it almost monthly with the creosote so thick I had to beat on my cleaning bar with a 10lb. sledge to get it down each of the ten (10) flue tubes. Not cool. This last fall i stopped by the dealer and they apparently FORGOT to give me a part when it was installed. They gave me a reducer insert for the front fan, but not the back fan. It reduces the hole from about 3 inches to about 1 1/2 inches. Duh! Same principle as a jet engine.... compress the air through a hole and it will come out faster the other side. I went out last week after 2 1/2 months and i easily pushed my cleaning tool down the flue tubes. Also, it wasn't a gooey, orange tinted, crusty pile of shit. There was only very fine grey ash. And in the ash collector at the bottom of the boiler, there was virtually nothing compared to the 5 gallon pail i normally took out. Obviously the firebox burns hotter now and there is less creosote and ash buildup. I'm thinking for yours it may be the same type of problem. A design flaw. An idea worth investigating.

  • @andrewseamans1419
    @andrewseamans1419 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wondering if a boiler brush would be best for cleaning those tubes. Are you stii satisfied with the boiler? Looking at one of these to heat our house and garage

  • @franklackie2469
    @franklackie2469 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should have hooked higher up on the tree. ....

  • @rudymarrero9222
    @rudymarrero9222 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi my name is rudy can you send company part #dump valve plise thanks

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Rudy, here is the website for the company I bought it from. m.splitez.com/log_splitter_parts.html

  • @brackenprofaizer2601
    @brackenprofaizer2601 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I came here for your log splitter build and I know life gets in the way hopefully you will be able to update us on the splitter some day I noticed it’s been a year but logger wade came back maybe you will be able to do the same.

  • @jasonsytsma9367
    @jasonsytsma9367 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I read that stihl used Cubic inch rather than cubic centimeter. The first two numbers are that Cubic inch. Ms 170 being 17 Cubic inch, which can convert to cc with a calculator. Also, they flipped the numbers...an older 028 is now a 280 etc

    • @paulmaxwell8851
      @paulmaxwell8851 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, that's not correct. My MS180C, for example, has a 31.8 cc engine, which equals 1.94 cubic inches. No chainsaw has a 17 cubic inch engine. The average lawnmower has a 190 cc engine, which equals 11.6 cubic inches.

    • @jasonsytsma9367
      @jasonsytsma9367 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paulmaxwell8851 ok, i maybe didnt explain it well but I wasnt intending to say that the saw was 17 ci, but that 1.7 is likely closer. I was more trying to illustrate that stihl used a different scale to formulate its model numbers than other saws, and that i read, albeit years ago, that they used ci rather than cc like other saw brands do. So for example, your 180 isnt illustrating 31 ccs via its model number as other saws might do, but your 180 as you suggest, is 1.94 ci. Well 194ci is much loser to the model number 180 than 31cc is. It isnt my claim so much as it is what id read years ago. Perhaps you know. Does Stihl use ci or something else in its model number? ...... again, a 1.94 ci saw is called a 180 and not a 31.8cc. My point was merely that using ci will get you much closer with stihl and once we convert stihls model number as reflected in ci to cc, we can get a better approximation to its cc.

  • @kirkwonner2660
    @kirkwonner2660 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like a modified serpentine belt tool

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is actually a tool used for a hide-a-ball hitch I had on my old 1 ton. Never used it.

  • @michaelaffronti6289
    @michaelaffronti6289 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Thank you. I'm just building my wood stores and this has helped me massively. Do I just stack rows with few inches gap? Also logs loosely stacked on top of eachother or tightly stacked? Suppose they'll be under cover so no need to be pedantic about stacking face up or bark down etc?

  • @iguanaamphibioustruck7352
    @iguanaamphibioustruck7352 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a lot of experience in hydraulics and machinery. My 40 year old wood splitter I bought from my friend who retired to AZ. It has a 5 X 36 CAT cylinder, trunion mount. The push plate and wedge is similar to yours. I replaced the 12 hp briggs with 15 hp duromax with elect start. The reservoir is similar to yours, thin and tall with lots of surface and little cavitation. A single spool valve with relief with no press, actuated shifts. The gear pump probably from a back hoe, is driven by a jack shaft with about a 3;1 ratio to slow it down to the recommended pump speed. I get my hydraulics from Surplus Center in NE. I see a lot of videos on TH-cam about wood splitters and my biggest concern is safety. They show kids and women operating or helping to load the splitter. Thirty ton is sixty thousand pounds! If there is a knot or any obstruction in the split, the round will explode. If your hand is anywhere near the wood, it will be swollen and purple tomorrow. Controls that are automatic are not safe when you have two people working. and can be a problem with only one because the stroke is going to happen regardless of where your hands are. Better to kill the engine or blow a hose rather than loose a finger or crush a hand. Iguana

    • @iguanaamphibioustruck7352
      @iguanaamphibioustruck7352 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh! about log lifts. I got a load of rounds, some 3 feet in diameter and I just set the tounge on the ground and rolled it into the jaws. I am 88 and sit down while splitting using my shoulders instead of my back.

  • @hillbillyfranks
    @hillbillyfranks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    New sub Enjoy your video I'll be watching again have a good day

  • @notmyname3883
    @notmyname3883 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ironic that you have a "no trespassing" sign on your tractor. Technically, legally, the wood belongs to the landowner. The county has ONLY an easement. The property, UP TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROADWAY, belongs to the abutting landowners. The trees are the legal property of the landowner. They may not care. But apparently some care. I'm also not sure where you are, saw you wearing a U of M sweatshirt, so if you're in Michigan, there's a treble damages provision for theft of trees. Now the landowner may say the value in the trees was in veneer, or fancy lumber, and you'll be stuck with it. Best to ASK the actual owner of trees before you take them.

  • @leonardryan8723
    @leonardryan8723 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You to try the 592 husqvarna 😊

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s a great saw. Ran it at demo days 18 months ago. I’ll run my XS372 LaVanway Husqvarna for a while longer before I part with it. I might come back to the 21st century if I do sell.

  • @philliphall5198
    @philliphall5198 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where did you get the cly and size ??

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here is where I bought it ruggedmade.com/log-splitter-cylinder-5-bore-24-stroke-3-5-rod.html

  • @philliphall5198
    @philliphall5198 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How long is the stroke of the rod ?

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      24” stroke. You can get a 30” stroke if you are into really big stuff. 24” should be ample. I have a lot of big gnarly wood and I wanted a cylinder that wouldn’t bend or break and give me good tonnage. This cylinder has more than fit the bill. Also, it is a 5” bore with a 3.5” rod. It takes up more area in the cylinder, which uses less fluid and improves my cycle times. You just need a pump and motor to deliver enough fluid.

  • @jamesmckay9966
    @jamesmckay9966 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    COULD YOU HAVE GOTTEN THE DIFFERENTIAL FROM A SMALL CAR OR TRUCK. RUN THE DIFFERENTIAL BY THE TRACTORS PTO . ON ONE SIDE OF THE DIFF PUT THE CABLE REEL. ON THE OTHER SIDE PLACE A SIMPLE DRUM BRAKE . I SAW MANY OF THESE ON A PULP WOOD SALE ON THE SUPERIOR NF IN 1950 USED 25 HP WISCONSIN FOR POWER SOURCE. I WISH SOME BODY WHO HAS THE SKILL WOULD BUILD ONE. BY THE WAY THE SALE WAS FOR 25 years. CONTRACTOR WAS TOMAHAWK TIMBER COMPANY WISCONSON USA.

  • @TheRussellStover
    @TheRussellStover 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for mentioning if the new units will give you 50% more efficiency. All the marketing numbers are garbage unless someone actually verifies it.

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m in year 5 and the boiler is still performing as it should.

  • @luisbatista1103
    @luisbatista1103 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can't wait for you to get back in the shop and show us the newer built wood splitter

  • @luisbatista1103
    @luisbatista1103 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No more log splitter.....?

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had to stop making TH-cam videos. The splitter is built and splits as it should. I am contemplating a comeback very soon. Stay tuned

  • @luisbatista1103
    @luisbatista1103 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What welder are you using?

    • @WSTMike
      @WSTMike 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Miller - Millermatic 141 All my bigger work goes to my neighbor down the road. I don’t have 3 phase power in my shop

  • @MarekVacek
    @MarekVacek 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah, got one too. When new, it's a treat, but wait a year and the fuel nozzle will start sticking and the auto-stop feature becomes hassle instead of help.

  • @paulhare662
    @paulhare662 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting. I have been using a homebuilt early 80s machine since I built it in the early 80s. It was pulled around with a Honda 200m ATC. It definately shares DNA with yours. Over the years, I have found that simple is best. Mine has had several pump/engine combos over the years. It started out fancy, a junked Cub Cadet provided a Kohler, starter/generator, a bunch of wire, switches and a gauge. All of that is long gone. It currently sports a 12 horse Kohler flathead with points and a "wrap a rope" starter. Once a year I clean the points. Fuel is gravity fed. Gravity never breaks. As far as lifts and tables and wings go, I stack up splits around the machine, usually a ramp on one side and a heap on the other. Roll the big rounds up the ramp, let the heap catch the half that falls. Just an old guy's two cents worth. Best wishes.

  • @rogersprague563
    @rogersprague563 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Buy a choker for the log Back the Tractor up its faster ,then have your son pull the winch cable back to the log pile you will heat the heck out of your winch otherwise , run your battery down just use the winch when you have too !

  • @dennisdye2330
    @dennisdye2330 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Holy crap! I love the check valve siphon trick!