The grainy black and white photos in Helter Skelter made them look old, but now we have more, and clearer footage, you see how young they all were. Just young regular people building careers and having fun. Jay looks about 12. Voytek in the book looks like a middle aged man, he was only 32 and other photos show it. When they're all out in the garden in their swimwear fussing over Sharon's baby bump. It's so sad, it gets sadder every year, a crime that came right out of the blue in that beautiful setting where Sharon flew kites and played with her dogs. The whole world shifted that day.
I heard that Sharon and Jay were working on the divorce papers from Roman and were planning their own marriage. Maybe that's why he looked so happy on those last photos with Sharon, which were possibly taken on their last afternoon together, before they were murdered. The film was found undevelopped in the camera after the murders.
They say she was quite a groover / shaker. Very active in society, highly educated. Her last words you can stop stabbing me I'm already dead! sad, may she rest in peace.
SAD, from all acounts she was a great lady, who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, like all the victims of the Tate-LaBianca murders.. She went to Santa Catalina with Sharon Gless, I wonder if they knew each other.
Такие люди как Джей заслуживают восхищения, потому что добиваются всего сами, самостоятельно, упорным трудом и талантом. Молодец Джей. Шерон была бы очень счастлива с ним.
Thank You for putting up this amazing video of Jay !!! What a talented Hairdresser to so many Hollywood Star's and Musician's. The song "Light My Fire" was just perfect to play since Jim Morrison was a client of his at one time. Jay should have been Sharon's wife because Roman tried to led her down a very dark path and Jay wouldn't have even tried. REST IN PEACE JAY 🕊️
When you think about it, we all have gifts and vocations. Here was a hairstylist. Not the kind of job that saves the world from nuclear attack or sets entire nations free of their cruel leaders. As is the case with a great baker or a fine chef, the fruit of Sebring's efforts usually didn't last long before he would have to cut the hair all over again. Yet, he transformed his his humble craft into an art that people took seriously. He brought joy. He made people feel good about facing the world. He took his talent and opportunity, and he elevated it into something inspiring. We can all do the same. We might not become famous or rich doing it (and probably won't), but at least we can try to be as good as Sebring in whatever is our craft.
@@antjestraub-bower7541 Did you even read the whole comment before you replied? My point was, we can all use our talents and be excellent in our fields, even though we might not make a lot of money. We can all be superstars in our own God-given way. That was the point. Sorry you missed it.
@@antjestraub-bower7541 he said it in the last sentence. "We can all do the same. We might not become famous or rich doing it (and probably won't), but at least we can try to be as good as Sebring in whatever is our craft.". And this is a very wise statement.
But it just gives even more meaning to the phrase..."All is Vanity"...you make cutting hair into being as important as being a fine surgeon, etc. His personal looks clearly gave him an edge in his career...look where it led to!
@@curbozerboomer1773 The fact that not everybody HAS the natural ability AND opportunity to be a fine surgeon does not mean that they can''t, and shouldn't, use what abilities and opportunities as well as they can. And a haircut of any kind is a lot cheaper than brain surgery - so it isn't as though brain surgeons aren't paid proportionately more. I was happy to see that you did qualify surgeon with "fine," though. Certainly, an excellent barber IS more important than a high-priced, malpracticing brain surgeon. Regarding his looks, it probably didn't hurt his career... but it may have helped less than you might assume. Regarding where his success got him, there are a lot of people who didn't have any sort of material success and who, as a result, found themselves in a circumstance that resulted in their murder. Your comment just smells of arrogance, bitterness, possibly false piety, and maybe even some baldness.
What a shame that such a wonderful young women had to be there on Cielo dr. along with all the other innocent young people! Rest in Peace nice lady Abigail Folger.
I bet that was such a magical time to be a young adult. I was born in 64 so I was too young to experience the 60's.... I wish I could have been born 20 years earlier. It is so sad to see him knowing what lay ahead.
Same. Born in 64. I have a tiny handful of memories of my mum who was very young when she had me, taking me and my brother to London on the train. She loved the King's Road and especially the Biba store. It was safe enough that she would leave us at this psychedelic cafe sitting at the counter with her friend watching us. There were trippy murals all over the walls and 5yo me would gaze at them in wonder. The Biba store had a staircase with mirrored walls on each side so your reflection went on forever. 60s London was a trip even for small kids!
I heard in a documentary about Jay, that Sharon wanted to divorce Roman and marry Jay. They were already working on the papers. I so wish they could have lived and been happy. He was good to her.
Abigail was so pretty, smart, and had a charming personality !!! She was so out of her league while living and working in Los Angeles. She was going to go back to her mom the following day and hoping to get away from the party scene. I'm not sure how long she was a Social Worker in LA but she had become discouraged with working with so many hopeless drug addicts. I believe dating Frykoswki was the 1st main catalyst in her tragic death with him trying to become a major drug supplier of a new party drug called MDA. The 2nd main catalyst in Abigail's death of course was the Manson Family who were hell bent on murder because a little man told them to follow his orders. The song " Love is Blue" is such a beautiful song and very fittingly for a well loved woman !!!! REST IN PEACE ABIGAIL 🕊️🕊️🕊️
Valerie Perrine was invited to the Tate house on that faithful Night. She was dating Jay Sebring. She had to work that night, she did find someone to cover shift but at the last minute. She got sick and Valerie went to work saving her life. RIP
I've posted this on another Terry Melcher video. He's one of my all time favorite record producers. And I believe my cousin introduced me to Charles Mansion at Barney's Beanery in 1966. He definitely creeped me out even several years before the murders. I don't blame Terry one bit for deciding not to produce Manson's music. RIP Terry. You were a great son and music producer. I wish I would've met you instead. A son any mother would be proud of.
I don't want to be the guy to remind everyone what a scumbag this piece of s*** is but Donald "Shorty" Shea is still dead because of him, while this n this POS is singing and living his life one day at a time. F*** this guy. I'm serious. He should still be rotting in jail. A life for a life.
Can you tell me more about that? Are you friends with Steve? How is he doing now? Can I ask how does he make a living? Is he working a day job or just music? THANKS
She had the life I dream about. She had everything she wanted…I know that money and material items don’t buy happiness but she certainly looked to be very happy in all those photos. She had a lot to live for and she was the only person there that night who didn’t have to work for a living. She had THE life.
@@laurenurban3942 Give the old chestnut about money not buying happiness a rest. Money can buy you anything you want, including happiness. IT'S HOW YOU HANDLE IT THAT MATTERS.
What do you mean "Being at the wrong place at the wrong time"? That's bullshit. Anyone should be able to go where they want to at any time without being murdered. Abigail Folger didn't commit suicide, she was murdered. People quote this psycho babble because they don't know what else to say and the words fit neatly together.
@@laurenurban3942- She didn’t have *everything* she wanted. She didn’t get a 26th birthday and I’ll bet she wanted that. Of course she looked happy in all those photos. People are expected to smile in photos. She was a socialite. She had to look her best. I’m sure that she had happiness in her life but I know her life wasn’t happy all the time. No one’s is. You dream of having a life where you don’t have to work for a living but you can still have and do all kinds of expensive things is very unlikely to come true. Instead of dreaming of something that you almost certainly will never have spend time focusing on more realistic goals. If you haven’t graduated from a 4 year college, consider that. It might not be the right path for you but you’re the one who has to do research and decide. I don’t know you so I can’t give you accurate advice but I can tell you that spending time dreaming about things that you’re very unlikely to do or get wastes time that you could spend figuring out how to improve your situation and working on that.
Could you have possibly picked a worse place to conduct an interview? YGBSM. You're on the final approach course of a nearby airport, trash trucks making all kinds of noise & traffic all over the place. You normally do a good job of reporting but FFS get it together.
She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Steven Parent, who didn't even know Sharon and her friends was in the wrong place at the wrong time was simply leaving the property and was murdered.
Thank you for respecting Abigail Folger and creating a video with her photos. It wasn't just an actress who was murdered that night...but you never hear about these other victims. ❤
If you were around when this happened….you heard about them. The only reason why you hear about Sharon and Jay all the time is because they were both famous people. Abigail and her boyfriend had a very private life. Steven Parent was still a kid and hadn’t made his mark in the world yet.I’m sure his family doesn’t want his memory associated with this tragedy and besides, he was a kid.
ABSOLUTELY. From what I have read about Abigail Folger it seem she was a lovely person who was dedicated to helping those less fortunate than herself. What a horrible and cruel way to die. Rest in peace Abigail.
you didn't hear much above Abigail Folger after the initial news reports because of her Father. He spent tons of money bribing news agencies to not release unseemly news about her, like how much MDA was found in her system during the autopsy and what he considered the unsavory crowd she was hanging with. He felt it would hurt his company's reputation. Great Dad /sarcasm After he died, most of that information has since been released.
@@laurenurban3942 I went to Steve Parent's high school for a short while, I never met him, but I used to see him walking down the hall when the bell rang! He was a tall good-looking young man with reddish hair. I never knew him personally but when it was said that a young man from El Monte was the first to die at Cielo, I wondered if it was the young man I used to see? I had named him Archie, as he reminded me of the Archie comic book character! And by chance it was him.
This is bullshit, Tom O’Neill blew this all out of the water, and gave us the truth with his book, Chaos. Terry worked with prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, to paint a made up narrative. And Terry was much more involved with Manson, Vincent just needed to paint a different narrative, and Terry worked with him to do so, and lied under oath.
Is it just me or at 1:09 doesn’t she look just like Justine Bateman?
The grainy black and white photos in Helter Skelter made them look old, but now we have more, and clearer footage, you see how young they all were. Just young regular people building careers and having fun. Jay looks about 12. Voytek in the book looks like a middle aged man, he was only 32 and other photos show it. When they're all out in the garden in their swimwear fussing over Sharon's baby bump. It's so sad, it gets sadder every year, a crime that came right out of the blue in that beautiful setting where Sharon flew kites and played with her dogs. The whole world shifted that day.
I heard that Sharon and Jay were working on the divorce papers from Roman and were planning their own marriage. Maybe that's why he looked so happy on those last photos with Sharon, which were possibly taken on their last afternoon together, before they were murdered. The film was found undevelopped in the camera after the murders.
Shouldn't that read, "Dead Meat"?
They say she was quite a groover / shaker. Very active in society, highly educated. Her last words you can stop stabbing me I'm already dead! sad, may she rest in peace.
I Will Miss My Late Cousin Abigail Folger R.I.P She’s A Friend Of Sharon Tate Polanski R.I.P I Will Miss Miss Those Two
SAD, from all acounts she was a great lady, who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, like all the victims of the Tate-LaBianca murders.. She went to Santa Catalina with Sharon Gless, I wonder if they knew each other.
Такие люди как Джей заслуживают восхищения, потому что добиваются всего сами, самостоятельно, упорным трудом и талантом. Молодец Джей. Шерон была бы очень счастлива с ним.
Abby was due to fly to San Francisco the next morning...her birthday was August 11...
she looked like a swan classic beauty RIP Abigail
What a beautiful tribute to a young life cut so tragically short so senselessly. Abigail Folger RIP.
Thanks for the video....I love old photos & video footage
I will never understand how some People can be so evil!
Thanks for remembering the victims!
Thank You for putting up this amazing video of Jay !!! What a talented Hairdresser to so many Hollywood Star's and Musician's. The song "Light My Fire" was just perfect to play since Jim Morrison was a client of his at one time. Jay should have been Sharon's wife because Roman tried to led her down a very dark path and Jay wouldn't have even tried. REST IN PEACE JAY 🕊️
Her husband. It would be interesting to know, yes.
Hairdresser to the stars
They need to make a video and put it up here about Steve parent.. he rarely gets mentioned in that Massacre
www.mansonblog.com/2016/12/a-little-bit-about-caretakers-friend.html
When you think about it, we all have gifts and vocations. Here was a hairstylist. Not the kind of job that saves the world from nuclear attack or sets entire nations free of their cruel leaders. As is the case with a great baker or a fine chef, the fruit of Sebring's efforts usually didn't last long before he would have to cut the hair all over again. Yet, he transformed his his humble craft into an art that people took seriously. He brought joy. He made people feel good about facing the world. He took his talent and opportunity, and he elevated it into something inspiring. We can all do the same. We might not become famous or rich doing it (and probably won't), but at least we can try to be as good as Sebring in whatever is our craft.
He was very well known and he certainly wasn't hurting for money! So, what is your point?🤷♂️
@@antjestraub-bower7541 Did you even read the whole comment before you replied? My point was, we can all use our talents and be excellent in our fields, even though we might not make a lot of money. We can all be superstars in our own God-given way. That was the point. Sorry you missed it.
@@antjestraub-bower7541 he said it in the last sentence. "We can all do the same. We might not become famous or rich doing it (and probably won't), but at least we can try to be as good as Sebring in whatever is our craft.". And this is a very wise statement.
But it just gives even more meaning to the phrase..."All is Vanity"...you make cutting hair into being as important as being a fine surgeon, etc. His personal looks clearly gave him an edge in his career...look where it led to!
@@curbozerboomer1773 The fact that not everybody HAS the natural ability AND opportunity to be a fine surgeon does not mean that they can''t, and shouldn't, use what abilities and opportunities as well as they can. And a haircut of any kind is a lot cheaper than brain surgery - so it isn't as though brain surgeons aren't paid proportionately more. I was happy to see that you did qualify surgeon with "fine," though. Certainly, an excellent barber IS more important than a high-priced, malpracticing brain surgeon. Regarding his looks, it probably didn't hurt his career... but it may have helped less than you might assume. Regarding where his success got him, there are a lot of people who didn't have any sort of material success and who, as a result, found themselves in a circumstance that resulted in their murder. Your comment just smells of arrogance, bitterness, possibly false piety, and maybe even some baldness.
What a shame that such a wonderful young women had to be there on Cielo dr. along with all the other innocent young people! Rest in Peace nice lady Abigail Folger.
Abigail was too good to be true. Such a wonderful person!
I bet that was such a magical time to be a young adult. I was born in 64 so I was too young to experience the 60's.... I wish I could have been born 20 years earlier. It is so sad to see him knowing what lay ahead.
Same. Born in 64. I have a tiny handful of memories of my mum who was very young when she had me, taking me and my brother to London on the train. She loved the King's Road and especially the Biba store. It was safe enough that she would leave us at this psychedelic cafe sitting at the counter with her friend watching us. There were trippy murals all over the walls and 5yo me would gaze at them in wonder. The Biba store had a staircase with mirrored walls on each side so your reflection went on forever. 60s London was a trip even for small kids!
I wish she would have stayed with Jay he loved and respected her much more than Polanski did 😔
I heard in a documentary about Jay, that Sharon wanted to divorce Roman and marry Jay. They were already working on the papers. I so wish they could have lived and been happy. He was good to her.
It makes me cry. Jay died protecting Sharon. Had Sharon lived to have her baby, her life would still be broken.
Jay era bonito.❤
Abigail was so beautiful and a sophisticated lady.
Not only was she beautiful and sophisticated but also a really nice person. Rest in peace Abigail.
@@missrockafella9432 I read that Abigail did a lot of social work. This goes to show what a great person she was!
Abigail was so pretty, smart, and had a charming personality !!! She was so out of her league while living and working in Los Angeles. She was going to go back to her mom the following day and hoping to get away from the party scene. I'm not sure how long she was a Social Worker in LA but she had become discouraged with working with so many hopeless drug addicts. I believe dating Frykoswki was the 1st main catalyst in her tragic death with him trying to become a major drug supplier of a new party drug called MDA. The 2nd main catalyst in Abigail's death of course was the Manson Family who were hell bent on murder because a little man told them to follow his orders. The song " Love is Blue" is such a beautiful song and very fittingly for a well loved woman !!!! REST IN PEACE ABIGAIL 🕊️🕊️🕊️
@@diane4537 She certainly was a great person who had so much more love to give the world until the evil Manson Family came along.
They should’ve been together, Jay and Sharon. Chances are they would still be alive today with kids of their own.
I agree. Roman was the wrong choice.
A worthless drug addict. Period
Manson's playing"cornhole"*(*not the beanbag game)in Hell!!😢😮
Descanse em paz Abigail. ❤
A very handsome young man and is so very sad that his life was lost
yes, a lovely person, r.i,p
Valerie Perrine was invited to the Tate house on that faithful Night. She was dating Jay Sebring. She had to work that night, she did find someone to cover shift but at the last minute. She got sick and Valerie went to work saving her life. RIP
Rick James (before he bec famous) was invited by Jay Sebring to attend that night too, but stayed home bec he had an epic hangover! 😮
I've posted this on another Terry Melcher video. He's one of my all time favorite record producers. And I believe my cousin introduced me to Charles Mansion at Barney's Beanery in 1966. He definitely creeped me out even several years before the murders. I don't blame Terry one bit for deciding not to produce Manson's music. RIP Terry. You were a great son and music producer. I wish I would've met you instead. A son any mother would be proud of.
may she r,I,p, from Carrie,xxx,
A lovely girl, rip,
thank you for respecting her,
Is that stoner van houten?
yes
@@deadmet shit I thought so fucking love his channel!
This Video in couple with this Song made me cry💔
No it didn’t stop attention seeking.
This was a great discussion, and being able to hear George's responses to these people's questions was helpful.
Seems like a happy day for everyone here
2:52 Lieutenant Columbo
I don't want to be the guy to remind everyone what a scumbag this piece of s*** is but Donald "Shorty" Shea is still dead because of him, while this n this POS is singing and living his life one day at a time. F*** this guy. I'm serious. He should still be rotting in jail. A life for a life.
I was only 3 when the murders happened. But I always barely recall the radio reporting, "Abigail Folger, heiress to the Folger's fortune. Sad.
Love is Blue
Repose en paix Abigail douce lady 😢😢
Dude was fucked over from the get go. I know first hand.
Can you tell me more about that? Are you friends with Steve? How is he doing now? Can I ask how does he make a living? Is he working a day job or just music? THANKS
Anybody know the name of the person that he murdered?
So sad. She seemed to have had the perfect life before being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
She had the life I dream about. She had everything she wanted…I know that money and material items don’t buy happiness but she certainly looked to be very happy in all those photos. She had a lot to live for and she was the only person there that night who didn’t have to work for a living. She had THE life.
@@laurenurban3942 Give the old chestnut about money not buying happiness a rest. Money can buy you anything you want, including happiness. IT'S HOW YOU HANDLE IT THAT MATTERS.
What do you mean "Being at the wrong place at the wrong time"? That's bullshit. Anyone should be able to go where they want to at any time without being murdered. Abigail Folger didn't commit suicide, she was murdered. People quote this psycho babble because they don't know what else to say and the words fit neatly together.
If drug addiction is perfect lol
@@laurenurban3942- She didn’t have *everything* she wanted. She didn’t get a 26th birthday and I’ll bet she wanted that. Of course she looked happy in all those photos. People are expected to smile in photos. She was a socialite. She had to look her best. I’m sure that she had happiness in her life but I know her life wasn’t happy all the time. No one’s is. You dream of having a life where you don’t have to work for a living but you can still have and do all kinds of expensive things is very unlikely to come true. Instead of dreaming of something that you almost certainly will never have spend time focusing on more realistic goals. If you haven’t graduated from a 4 year college, consider that. It might not be the right path for you but you’re the one who has to do research and decide. I don’t know you so I can’t give you accurate advice but I can tell you that spending time dreaming about things that you’re very unlikely to do or get wastes time that you could spend figuring out how to improve your situation and working on that.
I Cannot Put Into Words to What I Want To Say , But You Are Missed By Many And Thought Of Fondly.
Could you have possibly picked a worse place to conduct an interview? YGBSM. You're on the final approach course of a nearby airport, trash trucks making all kinds of noise & traffic all over the place. You normally do a good job of reporting but FFS get it together.
Estaba en el.lugar equibocado en el momento equivocado
She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Steven Parent, who didn't even know Sharon and her friends was in the wrong place at the wrong time was simply leaving the property and was murdered.
Thank you for respecting Abigail Folger and creating a video with her photos. It wasn't just an actress who was murdered that night...but you never hear about these other victims. ❤
If you were around when this happened….you heard about them. The only reason why you hear about Sharon and Jay all the time is because they were both famous people. Abigail and her boyfriend had a very private life. Steven Parent was still a kid and hadn’t made his mark in the world yet.I’m sure his family doesn’t want his memory associated with this tragedy and besides, he was a kid.
ABSOLUTELY. From what I have read about Abigail Folger it seem she was a lovely person who was dedicated to helping those less fortunate than herself. What a horrible and cruel way to die. Rest in peace Abigail.
you didn't hear much above Abigail Folger after the initial news reports because of her Father. He spent tons of money bribing news agencies to not release unseemly news about her, like how much MDA was found in her system during the autopsy and what he considered the unsavory crowd she was hanging with. He felt it would hurt his company's reputation. Great Dad /sarcasm After he died, most of that information has since been released.
@@laurenurban3942 I went to Steve Parent's high school for a short while, I never met him, but I used to see him walking down the hall when the bell rang! He was a tall good-looking young man with reddish hair. I never knew him personally but when it was said that a young man from El Monte was the first to die at Cielo, I wondered if it was the young man I used to see? I had named him Archie, as he reminded me of the Archie comic book character! And by chance it was him.
I agree.
This is bullshit, Tom O’Neill blew this all out of the water, and gave us the truth with his book, Chaos. Terry worked with prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, to paint a made up narrative. And Terry was much more involved with Manson, Vincent just needed to paint a different narrative, and Terry worked with him to do so, and lied under oath.